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Subject: New helmet spotted in Defiant Map pack

Posted by: raganok99

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People, Halo Reach is the same as Halo 3.

Golf Club "Gravity Hammer". THAT could not be placed in any other map... because it was a part of the DLC map, even after the system update.

Firefight DLC is possible... I do not think anyone at Bungie said it wasn't. All that needs to be done is the map itself, and then the covenant and drop ship spawn coding. The rest is already coded into the disk...

Also, if this helmet was already on the disk, the hackers would of found it by now. Considering they can bypass the redeem codes, I think t would of been found.

This helmet looks like something the people at Certain Affinity made, and then one guy wore it for lolz. It is obvious it's not completely rendered, and therefore not a helmet or complete armor for that matter, that is on the disk.


Not Quite. I don't think that hackers or modders had such capability to crack that deep. Why, they couldn't get flaming helmets, recons and officer armor. There's HIGH possibility that Bungie hid loads of armors in layers of codes, only can be unlocked via special keys which is VERY SPECIAL, probably are impossible for hackers or modders to get it.


keys like downloading the map pack?

  • 02.14.2011 6:49 PM PDT

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Keep in mind I almost never quit, I just hate the fact there are over 6 different bans in the game, kind of leads me to think Bungie just enjoy punishing there fanbase.


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Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: Alexthekid3000
People, Halo Reach is the same as Halo 3.

Golf Club "Gravity Hammer". THAT could not be placed in any other map... because it was a part of the DLC map, even after the system update.

Firefight DLC is possible... I do not think anyone at Bungie said it wasn't. All that needs to be done is the map itself, and then the covenant and drop ship spawn coding. The rest is already coded into the disk...

Also, if this helmet was already on the disk, the hackers would of found it by now. Considering they can bypass the redeem codes, I think t would of been found.

This helmet looks like something the people at Certain Affinity made, and then one guy wore it for lolz. It is obvious it's not completely rendered, and therefore not a helmet or complete armor for that matter, that is on the disk.


Not Quite. I don't think that hackers or modders had such capability to crack that deep. Why, they couldn't get flaming helmets, recons and officer armor. There's HIGH possibility that Bungie hid loads of armors in layers of codes, only can be unlocked via special keys which is VERY SPECIAL, probably are impossible for hackers or modders to get it.


keys like downloading the map pack?

exactly, only once these keys are released to the public can a modder get their hands on the file needed to unlock the armour

  • 02.14.2011 6:50 PM PDT

makes sense to me, very good point

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Posted by: Alexthekid3000
People, Halo Reach is the same as Halo 3.

Golf Club "Gravity Hammer". THAT could not be placed in any other map... because it was a part of the DLC map, even after the system update.

Firefight DLC is possible... I do not think anyone at Bungie said it wasn't. All that needs to be done is the map itself, and then the covenant and drop ship spawn coding. The rest is already coded into the disk...

Also, if this helmet was already on the disk, the hackers would of found it by now. Considering they can bypass the redeem codes, I think t would of been found.

This helmet looks like something the people at Certain Affinity made, and then one guy wore it for lolz. It is obvious it's not completely rendered, and therefore not a helmet or complete armor for that matter, that is on the disk.


Not Quite. I don't think that hackers or modders had such capability to crack that deep. Why, they couldn't get flaming helmets, recons and officer armor. There's HIGH possibility that Bungie hid loads of armors in layers of codes, only can be unlocked via special keys which is VERY SPECIAL, probably are impossible for hackers or modders to get it.

Considering how fast they hacked the "press release" version of Reach, I would think after this long, they could of easily had every line of code searched.

Just like hitting "Ctrl + U"... though, it would of been a little more complicated than that, but you get the idea. They would of found the names of each armor, like how you see the names of pages in that the page source coding. The coding would be far more complicated, of course, but ultimately, the developers would of named the lines of code for each thing in Reach so they knew what each line of code was before putting it on the disk.

Hence why you can't edit whats on the disk through a freaking Xbox. The lines of code is set. The people at Certain Affinity could of easily used some kid of beta Reach, like the one we used back in May 2010. And if you remember, that got hacked in about 1-2 days.

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Posted by: spartannaboy
wow that's weird. i thought it was impossible to add armors.


Whoever's told you that is a retard of the worst kind! It's not "impossible" to add new armour, just hard work and unlikely from Bungie. Especialy when you look at how Bungie are dragging there heels with a TU(thats desperately needed).

Just about every game that features customisation has had new armour of some kind added at one time or another. If it's really wanted it will be added. It's an easy way for developers to get money out of customers without having to spend to much!

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Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: Alexthekid3000
People, Halo Reach is the same as Halo 3.

Golf Club "Gravity Hammer". THAT could not be placed in any other map... because it was a part of the DLC map, even after the system update.

Firefight DLC is possible... I do not think anyone at Bungie said it wasn't. All that needs to be done is the map itself, and then the covenant and drop ship spawn coding. The rest is already coded into the disk...

Also, if this helmet was already on the disk, the hackers would of found it by now. Considering they can bypass the redeem codes, I think t would of been found.

This helmet looks like something the people at Certain Affinity made, and then one guy wore it for lolz. It is obvious it's not completely rendered, and therefore not a helmet or complete armor for that matter, that is on the disk.


Not Quite. I don't think that hackers or modders had such capability to crack that deep. Why, they couldn't get flaming helmets, recons and officer armor. There's HIGH possibility that Bungie hid loads of armors in layers of codes, only can be unlocked via special keys which is VERY SPECIAL, probably are impossible for hackers or modders to get it.


keys like downloading the map pack?

exactly, only once these keys are released to the public can a modder get their hands on the file needed to unlock the armour

Just like a lock in real life... a virtual lock can be picked.

  • 02.14.2011 6:58 PM PDT

Posted by: Czech Republic
Keep in mind I almost never quit, I just hate the fact there are over 6 different bans in the game, kind of leads me to think Bungie just enjoy punishing there fanbase.


Posted by: ShifticusGarell
we're all masochists, deal with it

Posted by: Alexthekid3000

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Posted by: iQuINcEy
Posted by: raganok99

Posted by: Alexthekid3000
People, Halo Reach is the same as Halo 3.

Golf Club "Gravity Hammer". THAT could not be placed in any other map... because it was a part of the DLC map, even after the system update.

Firefight DLC is possible... I do not think anyone at Bungie said it wasn't. All that needs to be done is the map itself, and then the covenant and drop ship spawn coding. The rest is already coded into the disk...

Also, if this helmet was already on the disk, the hackers would of found it by now. Considering they can bypass the redeem codes, I think t would of been found.

This helmet looks like something the people at Certain Affinity made, and then one guy wore it for lolz. It is obvious it's not completely rendered, and therefore not a helmet or complete armor for that matter, that is on the disk.


Not Quite. I don't think that hackers or modders had such capability to crack that deep. Why, they couldn't get flaming helmets, recons and officer armor. There's HIGH possibility that Bungie hid loads of armors in layers of codes, only can be unlocked via special keys which is VERY SPECIAL, probably are impossible for hackers or modders to get it.


keys like downloading the map pack?

exactly, only once these keys are released to the public can a modder get their hands on the file needed to unlock the armour

Just like a lock in real life... a virtual lock can be picked.

thats true, but these locks are much more difficult, it would be possible to see the names, but you would not be able to get a visual reference of what the armour looks like without a viable key

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wow that's weird. i thought it was impossible to add armors.


Whoever's told you that is a retard of the worst kind! It's not "impossible" to add new armour, just hard work and unlikely from Bungie. Especialy when you look at how Bungie are dragging there heels with a TU(thats desperately needed).

Just about every game that features customisation has had new armour of some kind added at one time or another. If it's really wanted it will be added. It's an easy way for developers to get money out of customers without having to spend to much!

The armor is coded into campaign, MM map and FF map. DLC armor would not be coded into these, and therefore you could not use them in those areas.

And if you say "TU" is the way to do it... no. It's not.

TU was basically a mod that altered some features that could be altered because the coding was already on the disk of Halo 3. Halo 3's maps could never be updated with Golf Clubs and those shiny balls from Sandbox. It's the same with armor.

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[quote]Posted by: Alexthekid3000

thats true, but these locks are much more difficult, it would be possible to see the names, but you would not be able to get a visual reference of what the armour looks like without a viable key

Have you seen Terminator 2? Remember how John Connor hacked the money machine? He just made up his own key and it unlocked all the money? Yeah, that can still be done.

  • 02.14.2011 7:06 PM PDT

Posted by: Czech Republic
Keep in mind I almost never quit, I just hate the fact there are over 6 different bans in the game, kind of leads me to think Bungie just enjoy punishing there fanbase.


Posted by: ShifticusGarell
we're all masochists, deal with it

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[quote]Posted by: Alexthekid3000

thats true, but these locks are much more difficult, it would be possible to see the names, but you would not be able to get a visual reference of what the armour looks like without a viable key

Have you seen Terminator 2? Remember how John Connor hacked the money machine? He just made up his own key and it unlocked all the money? Yeah, that can still be done.

that was a movie, not reality... also, no i have not seen terminator 2

but the thing is, making up your own key does not work in this situation, the safeguards placed on these file can only be unlocked by 1 specific file, and without that file, it's worthless to try to get it

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[quote]Posted by: Alexthekid3000

thats true, but these locks are much more difficult, it would be possible to see the names, but you would not be able to get a visual reference of what the armour looks like without a viable key

Have you seen Terminator 2? Remember how John Connor hacked the money machine? He just made up his own key and it unlocked all the money? Yeah, that can still be done.

that was a movie, not reality... also, no i have not seen terminator 2

but the thing is, making up your own key does not work in this situation, the safeguards placed on these file can only be unlocked by 1 specific file, and without that file, it's worthless to try to get it

Not really. Everything can be hacked. Everything. Even the military firewalls if you had 200 supercomputers.

  • 02.14.2011 7:12 PM PDT

I understand what you are saying Alex but bungie have said a TU would be possible but it would be a large update(cant find link)
about 9 gigs lol but what if that was a lie to throw ppl off the sent of the surprise?

  • 02.14.2011 7:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Czech Republic
Keep in mind I almost never quit, I just hate the fact there are over 6 different bans in the game, kind of leads me to think Bungie just enjoy punishing there fanbase.


Posted by: ShifticusGarell
we're all masochists, deal with it

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[quote]Posted by: Alexthekid3000

thats true, but these locks are much more difficult, it would be possible to see the names, but you would not be able to get a visual reference of what the armour looks like without a viable key

Have you seen Terminator 2? Remember how John Connor hacked the money machine? He just made up his own key and it unlocked all the money? Yeah, that can still be done.

that was a movie, not reality... also, no i have not seen terminator 2

but the thing is, making up your own key does not work in this situation, the safeguards placed on these file can only be unlocked by 1 specific file, and without that file, it's worthless to try to get it

Not really. Everything can be hacked. Everything. Even the military firewalls if you had 200 supercomputers.

i do not deny this, but the thing is, in order to hack something, you must have the right files. if you know the basic code of the file, you can duplicate it and you're in, but the code for the permission files is kept sealed up tight until release, and as such you cannot get the basic code, and you cannot duplicate the file

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Posted by: spartannaboy
wow that's weird. i thought it was impossible to add armors.


Whoever's told you that is a retard of the worst kind! It's not "impossible" to add new armour, just hard work and unlikely from Bungie. Especialy when you look at how Bungie are dragging there heels with a TU(thats desperately needed).

Just about every game that features customisation has had new armour of some kind added at one time or another. If it's really wanted it will be added. It's an easy way for developers to get money out of customers without having to spend to much!

The armor is coded into campaign, MM map and FF map. DLC armor would not be coded into these, and therefore you could not use them in those areas.

And if you say "TU" is the way to do it... no. It's not.

TU was basically a mod that altered some features that could be altered because the coding was already on the disk of Halo 3. Halo 3's maps could never be updated with Golf Clubs and those shiny balls from Sandbox. It's the same with armor.



They can just be coded into those areas, -blam!-wit! I didnt say it was easy, or likely, but it is possible!

We all know Microsoft treat Halo like a cash cow, and what is the best way of getting money out of people, without having the expense of a full blown development shedule? That's right, DLC! If it's badly wanted Microsoft would be stupid to ignore it.


By the way, dont ever patronise me again you little -blam!-! I'm not some 12 year old you can talk -blam!- too, i know what i'm talking about.

[Edited on 02.14.2011 7:20 PM PST]

  • 02.14.2011 7:19 PM PDT

Alex, if it is so easy to hack into these 'locked' armors, why did the hackers/modders never get the pre-order chest piece? or the recon with add-ons?

Edit: Oh yeah, Bungie has said they could add in armors. However, the file/patch it would require would be to large for it to be worth it.

Doesn't mean there isn't other armors that are locked. (Such as operator with the 'bluetooh' as seen on the Noble Map pack ads).

Remember back when they said they might release new armor for certain events?

[Edited on 02.14.2011 7:21 PM PST]

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this is a whole new helmet. It kinda looks like GUNGNIR but quite different as well. It's not a fully upgraded GUNGNIR for sure.

  • 02.14.2011 7:20 PM PDT

I am sure bungie had the foresight that hackers would tare the discs coding apart and found some way of hiding all the goodies, is that so hard to believe? I mean hackers are not gods.

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[quote]Posted by: Alexthekid3000

thats true, but these locks are much more difficult, it would be possible to see the names, but you would not be able to get a visual reference of what the armour looks like without a viable key

Have you seen Terminator 2? Remember how John Connor hacked the money machine? He just made up his own key and it unlocked all the money? Yeah, that can still be done.

that was a movie, not reality... also, no i have not seen terminator 2

but the thing is, making up your own key does not work in this situation, the safeguards placed on these file can only be unlocked by 1 specific file, and without that file, it's worthless to try to get it

Not really. Everything can be hacked. Everything. Even the military firewalls if you had 200 supercomputers.

i do not deny this, but the thing is, in order to hack something, you must have the right files. if you know the basic code of the file, you can duplicate it and you're in, but the code for the permission files is kept sealed up tight until release, and as such you cannot get the basic code, and you cannot duplicate the file


Correct. It's virtually impossible for hackers to get behold of it. Permission file is TRULY unique and it will be revealed as soon as it gets released.

It's pretty logical that new armors are included in this map pack, that will be unlocked by special key or permission file to unlock specific code in many layers of code embedded in the disc.

My best guess would be new few helmets, torso attachments and probably other attachments, depending on degree of permission file.

  • 02.14.2011 7:21 PM PDT

Major C.B.

Here's hoping for a new helmet. I know it's not impossible, so Bungie better not give me that excuse. I just hope it happens.

  • 02.14.2011 7:21 PM PDT

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Let's go on a limb and assume there was new armor coming with the maps. That's cool and all. Too bad you can only use it on the Defiant Maps.

Otherwise, you'd have to make room on your HDD to even use it - About 9GB of HDD Space. And even then, it'd cause problems for people that don't have it on their HDD.


I saw a GUNGNIR and an EOD helmet.

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It's pretty logical that new armors are included in this map pack, that will be unlocked by special key or permission file to unlock specific code in many layers of code embedded in the disc.

My best guess would be new few helmets, torso attachments and probably other attachments, depending on degree of permission file.
im happy.

  • 02.14.2011 7:22 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Alex, if it is so easy to hack into these 'locked' armors, why did the hackers/modders never get the pre-order chest piece? or the recon with add-ons?

Edit: Oh yeah, Bungie has said they could add in armors. However, the file/patch it would require would be to large for it to be worth it.

Doesn't mean there isn't other armors that are locked. (Such as operator with the 'bluetooh' as seen on the Noble Map pack ads).

Remember back when they said they might release new armor for certain events?


This^

  • 02.14.2011 7:23 PM PDT

What the blargh!?

I would be surprised if this map pack comes with new armors also...

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thats true, but these locks are much more difficult, it would be possible to see the names, but you would not be able to get a visual reference of what the armour looks like without a viable key

Have you seen Terminator 2? Remember how John Connor hacked the money machine? He just made up his own key and it unlocked all the money? Yeah, that can still be done.

that was a movie, not reality... also, no i have not seen terminator 2

but the thing is, making up your own key does not work in this situation, the safeguards placed on these file can only be unlocked by 1 specific file, and without that file, it's worthless to try to get it

Not really. Everything can be hacked. Everything. Even the military firewalls if you had 200 supercomputers.

i do not deny this, but the thing is, in order to hack something, you must have the right files. if you know the basic code of the file, you can duplicate it and you're in, but the code for the permission files is kept sealed up tight until release, and as such you cannot get the basic code, and you cannot duplicate the file

I think I remember the hacker who leaked all the armors through the press release version also hacked the pre-order/release day armors.

[Edited on 02.14.2011 7:28 PM PST]

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