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Posted by: killrraider13
I still think that it's still a possibility that it will release when we see the first inheritor, it's just taking a little longer than they expected for one to appear.

Hmm...in that case, in a couple of weeks, we'll see if that theory is solid...and in all honesty, it's got a fair chance...

[Edited on 03.31.2011 3:53 PM PDT]

  • 03.31.2011 3:52 PM PDT

Hey guys, I just found some new info to speculate on, I came across this thread by GenerateX3. They have a pretty good theory going on.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=58447665


They basically compare the "Defiant Map Pack/BOB helment" to the BOBs in the Marathon game(a previous bungie game). They do look just alike. Maybe this can sprout some new ideas?

[Edited on 03.31.2011 4:22 PM PDT]

  • 03.31.2011 4:13 PM PDT


Posted by: THEscourse1
Hey guys, I just found some new info to speculate on, I came across this thread by GenerateX3. They have a pretty good theory going on.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=58447665


They basically compare the "Defiant Map Pack/BOB helment" to the BOBs in the Marathon game(a previous bungie game). They do look just alike. Maybe this can sprout some new ideas?


I still think 343 is making the armor, but maybe this helmet is kind of a salute to Bungie by making a helmet that looks like the marathon helmet.

  • 03.31.2011 5:29 PM PDT

UWG

Posted by: THEscourse1
Hey guys, I just found some new info to speculate on, I came across this thread by GenerateX3. They have a pretty good theory going on.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=58447665


They basically compare the "Defiant Map Pack/BOB helment" to the BOBs in the Marathon game(a previous bungie game). They do look just alike. Maybe this can sprout some new ideas?

Huh...it does seem plausible when you look at it from a certain perspective...

-The Helmet has the "Ocular Enhancement" extremely similar to what the BOB's in Marathon had...

-There is a Special Class Elite in the Campaign named BOB and the description found in the "Enemy" section of your Service Record for the enemy says "Wipe The Out..."

-You acquire a medal for killing them called "Seek and Destroy"...

-There has been a Daily Challenge showing us the location of a formerly unknown location of a BOB...

So after all that, I'd say it's safe to say your Theory is pretty damn likely...no certainty, but it's very likely to happen through a Vidmaster Challenge or a Community Challenge...or just once each individual BOB has been located, if that's even possible to be tracked...

  • 03.31.2011 5:51 PM PDT

Posted by: Czech Republic
Keep in mind I almost never quit, I just hate the fact there are over 6 different bans in the game, kind of leads me to think Bungie just enjoy punishing there fanbase.


Posted by: ShifticusGarell
we're all masochists, deal with it

Posted by: Tear 08
Posted by: THEscourse1
Hey guys, I just found some new info to speculate on, I came across this thread by GenerateX3. They have a pretty good theory going on.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=58447665


They basically compare the "Defiant Map Pack/BOB helment" to the BOBs in the Marathon game(a previous bungie game). They do look just alike. Maybe this can sprout some new ideas?

Huh...it does seem plausible when you look at it from a certain perspective...

-The Helmet has the "Ocular Enhancement" extremely similar to what the BOB's in Marathon had...

-There is a Special Class Elite in the Campaign named BOB and the description found in the "Enemy" section of your Service Record for the enemy says "Wipe The Out..."

-You acquire a medal for killing them called "Seek and Destroy"...

-There has been a Daily Challenge showing us the location of a formerly unknown location of a BOB...

So after all that, I'd say it's safe to say your Theory is pretty damn likely...no certainty, but it's very likely to happen through a Vidmaster Challenge or a Community Challenge...or just once each individual BOB has been located, if that's even possible to be tracked...

they should make a weekly challenge where you must hunt down a BOB on every level, yes, including the one on lone wolf

  • 03.31.2011 5:54 PM PDT

UWG

Posted by: ShifticusGarell
they should make a weekly challenge where you must hunt down a BOB on every level, yes, including the one on lone wolf

That, ironically, would be the easiest one to get, all you gotta do is survive for so long on Easy, and he'll turn up sure as sh-it....if the challenge was on Legendary however...well frankly you're damn screwed...but that Challenge would have a lot of people wondering what the hell is going on, it'd probably evoke people to scream the phrase "Frog-Blast the Vent-Core"...

  • 03.31.2011 5:59 PM PDT

posted by:Killraider13
I still think 343 is making the armor, but maybe this helmet is kind of a salute to Bungie by making a helmet that looks like the marathon helmet

Yes I do believe the mystery helment is made by 343i and maybe when they fully take over is when the vidmasters or whatever processed is used....man I wish that they would at least throw us annother hint or something. The evidence is too much to say that it doesn't exist....just the other day there was a picture with the helment on the xbox dashboard.

[Edited on 03.31.2011 7:25 PM PDT]

  • 03.31.2011 7:19 PM PDT

Posted by: THEscourse1
Hey guys, I just found some new info to speculate on, I came across this thread by GenerateX3. They have a pretty good theory going on.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=58447665


They basically compare the "Defiant Map Pack/BOB helment" to the BOBs in the Marathon game(a previous bungie game). They do look just alike. Maybe this can sprout some new ideas?


posted by: Tear 08
Huh...it does seem plausible when you look at it from a certain perspective...

-The Helmet has the "Ocular Enhancement" extremely similar to what the BOB's in Marathon had...

-There is a Special Class Elite in the Campaign named BOB and the description found in the "Enemy" section of your Service Record for the enemy says "Wipe The Out..."

-You acquire a medal for killing them called "Seek and Destroy"...

-There has been a Daily Challenge showing us the location of a formerly unknown location of a BOB...

So after all that, I'd say it's safe to say your Theory is pretty damn likely...no certainty, but it's very likely to happen through a Vidmaster Challenge or a Community Challenge...or just once each individual BOB has been located, if that's even possible to be tracked

Thanks for summarizing the info, you all really do your research

[Edited on 03.31.2011 7:33 PM PDT]

  • 03.31.2011 7:30 PM PDT

Im real happy for you and Im gonna let you finish...but the BR took less skill to use than a DMR

you idiots are still squabling over this stuff?

I REPEAT:

THERE IS NO WAY NEW ARMOR CAN BE ADDED TO REACH WITHOUT A MASSIVE MULTIPLE GIGABYTE PATCH

what was shown is a developer's build of Reach and the person who RELEASED this picture to the media is obviously been fired for it or has been reprimanded

evil otto has confirmed what i have bolded and its common knowledge amongst those who have toyed with halo's engine throughout the years

also ALL challenges Exist on disc,

I dont know the EXACT lines what they say code wise but i can pull them up later nad post what each challenge is on disc

what i mean is:
complete "X level" on "X difficulty" with "x amount of skulls"

[Edited on 03.31.2011 7:36 PM PDT]

  • 03.31.2011 7:33 PM PDT


Posted by: Super tacoman
you idiots are still squabling over this stuff?

I REPEAT:

THERE IS NO WAY NEW ARMOR CAN BE ADDED TO REACH WITHOUT A MASSIVE MULTIPLE GIGABYTE PATCH

what was shown is a developer's build of Reach and the person who RELEASED this picture to the media is obviously been fired for it or has been reprimanded

evil otto has confirmed what i have bolded and its common knowledge amongst those who have toyed with halo's engine throughout the years

also ALL challenges Exist on disc,

I dont know the EXACT lines what they say code wise but i can pull them up later nad post what each challenge is on disc

what i mean is:
complete "X level" on "X difficulty" with "x amount of skulls"


Are you serious? Is this guy serious?

  • 03.31.2011 7:57 PM PDT

Im real happy for you and Im gonna let you finish...but the BR took less skill to use than a DMR


Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: Super tacoman
you idiots are still squabling over this stuff?

I REPEAT:

THERE IS NO WAY NEW ARMOR CAN BE ADDED TO REACH WITHOUT A MASSIVE MULTIPLE GIGABYTE PATCH

what was shown is a developer's build of Reach and the person who RELEASED this picture to the media is obviously been fired for it or has been reprimanded

evil otto has confirmed what i have bolded and its common knowledge amongst those who have toyed with halo's engine throughout the years

also ALL challenges Exist on disc,

I dont know the EXACT lines what they say code wise but i can pull them up later nad post what each challenge is on disc

what i mean is:
complete "X level" on "X difficulty" with "x amount of skulls"


Are you serious? Is this guy serious?
yep

every armor peice obtainable (even bungie's chest piece) is viewable in the vanity armor generator

armor cant be "HIDDEN" because then it wouldn't load AT ALL

Reach's engine (BLAM) is unable, likes those before it, to store data outside of .map files

the only way to get new armor at this point would be a Halo: Reach 2

  • 03.31.2011 8:00 PM PDT


Posted by: Super tacoman

Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: Super tacoman
you idiots are still squabling over this stuff?

I REPEAT:

THERE IS NO WAY NEW ARMOR CAN BE ADDED TO REACH WITHOUT A MASSIVE MULTIPLE GIGABYTE PATCH

what was shown is a developer's build of Reach and the person who RELEASED this picture to the media is obviously been fired for it or has been reprimanded

evil otto has confirmed what i have bolded and its common knowledge amongst those who have toyed with halo's engine throughout the years

also ALL challenges Exist on disc,

I dont know the EXACT lines what they say code wise but i can pull them up later nad post what each challenge is on disc

what i mean is:
complete "X level" on "X difficulty" with "x amount of skulls"


Are you serious? Is this guy serious?
yep

every armor peice obtainable (even bungie's chest piece) is viewable in the vanity armor generator

armor cant be "HIDDEN" because then it wouldn't load AT ALL

Reach's engine (BLAM) is unable, likes those before it, to store data outside of .map files

the only way to get new armor at this point would be a Halo: Reach 2


You do realize that Evil Otto isn't a reliable source right? I don't think that he even works in that department of Bungie. He said he only gave his best guess as to how the engine works and that there's a good chance he was wrong, he was just as baffled by this helmet as the rest of us. He also said not to quote him anymore because he's an unreliable frikkin' source. God, this is really old news, I thought we covered that like a month ago.

Edit: He also NEVER confirmed anything, he was answering people's questions about the possibility of new armor with his best guess. What he says aren't official statements from Bungie.

[Edited on 03.31.2011 8:11 PM PDT]

  • 03.31.2011 8:08 PM PDT


Posted by: Super tacoman
you idiots are still squabling over this stuff?

I REPEAT:

THERE IS NO WAY NEW ARMOR CAN BE ADDED TO REACH WITHOUT A MASSIVE MULTIPLE GIGABYTE PATCH

what was shown is a developer's build of Reach and the person who RELEASED this picture to the media is obviously been fired for it or has been reprimanded

evil otto has confirmed what i have bolded and its common knowledge amongst those who have toyed with halo's engine throughout the years

also ALL challenges Exist on disc,

I dont know the EXACT lines what they say code wise but i can pull them up later nad post what each challenge is on disc

what i mean is:
complete "X level" on "X difficulty" with "x amount of skulls"
for the 100th time Evil Otto has said do not quote him he doesnt know this stuff its his best guess so plz stop

  • 03.31.2011 8:11 PM PDT

Bungie really seemed to pull this armour out of there ass. I wonder wht else they have up there:)

  • 03.31.2011 8:11 PM PDT


Posted by: Night Hawk1723
343 really seemed to pull this armour out of there ass. I wonder wht else they have up there:)


fixed, and I hope it's cookies.

  • 03.31.2011 8:12 PM PDT

Im real happy for you and Im gonna let you finish...but the BR took less skill to use than a DMR


Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: Super tacoman

Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: Super tacoman
you idiots are still squabling over this stuff?

I REPEAT:

THERE IS NO WAY NEW ARMOR CAN BE ADDED TO REACH WITHOUT A MASSIVE MULTIPLE GIGABYTE PATCH

what was shown is a developer's build of Reach and the person who RELEASED this picture to the media is obviously been fired for it or has been reprimanded

evil otto has confirmed what i have bolded and its common knowledge amongst those who have toyed with halo's engine throughout the years

also ALL challenges Exist on disc,

I dont know the EXACT lines what they say code wise but i can pull them up later nad post what each challenge is on disc

what i mean is:
complete "X level" on "X difficulty" with "x amount of skulls"


Are you serious? Is this guy serious?
yep

every armor peice obtainable (even bungie's chest piece) is viewable in the vanity armor generator

armor cant be "HIDDEN" because then it wouldn't load AT ALL

Reach's engine (BLAM) is unable, likes those before it, to store data outside of .map files

the only way to get new armor at this point would be a Halo: Reach 2


You do realize that Evil Otto isn't a reliable source right? I don't think that he even works in that department of Bungie. He said he only gave his best guess as to how the engine works and that there's a good chance he was wrong, he was just as baffled by this helmet as the rest of us. He also said not to quote him anymore because he's an unreliable frikkin' source. God, this is really old news, I thought we covered that like a month ago.
oh god and lets not forget KORNMAN, who has WORKED for said company and is a RENOWNED modder who not ONLY discovered the switches for the flyable pelican and phantoms you kids now get to enjoy, but he MADE a homemade open source code for H:CE called "Open Sauce"

even Korn has said its impossible without a large 5+ gig patch

denying it at this point is dumb, you know bungie nor 343i will ever come out and say it, its like you're parents when you were a kid, they didn't tell you santa clause was fake because they didn't want you're dreams crushed, but when the day arrived and you DID realize this, you were crushed, but you manned up

armor can't be added and if you wont believe the modders who have worked with the BLAM engine over the years, then im sorry but:

santa doesnt exist, no the easter bunny

your parents are the tooth fairy

  • 03.31.2011 8:13 PM PDT

Im real happy for you and Im gonna let you finish...but the BR took less skill to use than a DMR

more or less proof

he never said to NOT quote him

if he did site your source

[Edited on 03.31.2011 8:15 PM PDT]

  • 03.31.2011 8:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Super tacoman
more or less proof

he never said to NOT quote him

if he did site your source


It was in a thread that died a long time ago, I would send him a message asking him, but he also said he wouldn't be responding to messages about the subject, but a know a link is somewhere in this thread, why don't you look for it?
PS: This thread has almost hit 6,000 posts, do you seriously think that Bungie would let a thread go this long without debunking it, if there wasn't a distinct possibility of new armor?

  • 03.31.2011 8:21 PM PDT

I do recall Evil Otto saying don't use his statements as official remarks on the subject. He knows as much as we do.

  • 03.31.2011 8:24 PM PDT

Im real happy for you and Im gonna let you finish...but the BR took less skill to use than a DMR


Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: Super tacoman
more or less proof

he never said to NOT quote him

if he did site your source


It was in a thread that died a long time ago, I would send him a message asking him, but he also said he wouldn't be responding to messages about the subject, but a know a link is somewhere in this thread, why don't you look for it?
PS: This thread has almost hit 6,000 posts, do you seriously think that Bungie would let a thread go this long without debunking it, if there wasn't a distinct possibility of new armor?
please site source..remember when trying to back up a claim you need to site your source..and if you can't dig it up to back up your claim you have no proof

no proof=no truth

  • 03.31.2011 8:24 PM PDT


Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: Night Hawk1723
343 really seemed to pull this armour out of there ass. I wonder wht else they have up there:)


fixed, and I hope it's cookies.


those are going to be some aweful tasting coookies. :P

OP: Ever since the helmet was spotted, we've been going back and forth if armor is coming and the only thing I've gotten out of everything is that it is POSSIBLE to add new armor. Sure it takes a huge update, but the point is that it is POSSIBLE. Therefore it is POSSIBLE 343 is working on an update. The only thing we know for sure about this is that there is no new armor attached with the Defiant Map Pack.

I don't know who Evil Otto is so I don't have a say on that matter.

  • 03.31.2011 8:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Evil Otto
Hey guys, let's talk.

When someone sends me a PM, I try and to the polite thing: respond. Sometimes I know the answer, sometimes you have my best guess (which *can* be wrong), and sometimes, I just can't give a response.

However, any messages sent to you are considered personal. Please don't be taking grabs and sharing my responses, as that turns me into an unofficial spokesman for our company - which I am not.

For now, I'm cooling off on the responses - please don't PM me about questions with the Defiant map pack or what our engine capabilities are. I am by no means an expert on the matter an I don't want anything I say to be construed as official Bungie statements.

cheers,
Otto



I do remember this though.

Link to the Search. First result.

  • 03.31.2011 8:30 PM PDT

Im real happy for you and Im gonna let you finish...but the BR took less skill to use than a DMR


Posted by: An Indo

Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: Night Hawk1723
343 really seemed to pull this armour out of there ass. I wonder wht else they have up there:)


fixed, and I hope it's cookies.


those are going to be some aweful tasting coookies. :P

OP: Ever since the helmet was spotted, we've been going back and forth if armor is coming and the only thing I've gotten out of everything is that it is POSSIBLE to add new armor. Sure it takes a huge update, but the point is that it is POSSIBLE. Therefore it is POSSIBLE 343 is working on an update. The only thing we know for sure about this is that there is no new armor attached with the Defiant Map Pack.

I don't know who Evil Otto is so I don't have a say on that matter.
the update requierd would be SEVERAL GIGABYTES..i don't know how dumb you are but a 9 gigabyte patch is VERY VERY VERY BIG

not everyone can spare 9+gigs ( i only have like 3.1 gigs left on my HDD)

  • 03.31.2011 8:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Czech Republic
Keep in mind I almost never quit, I just hate the fact there are over 6 different bans in the game, kind of leads me to think Bungie just enjoy punishing there fanbase.


Posted by: ShifticusGarell
we're all masochists, deal with it

Posted by: Super tacoman

Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: Super tacoman
more or less proof

he never said to NOT quote him

if he did site your source


It was in a thread that died a long time ago, I would send him a message asking him, but he also said he wouldn't be responding to messages about the subject, but a know a link is somewhere in this thread, why don't you look for it?
PS: This thread has almost hit 6,000 posts, do you seriously think that Bungie would let a thread go this long without debunking it, if there wasn't a distinct possibility of new armor?
please site source..remember when trying to back up a claim you need to site your source..and if you can't dig it up to back up your claim you have no proof

no proof=no truth

near the bottom

  • 03.31.2011 8:33 PM PDT

Im real happy for you and Im gonna let you finish...but the BR took less skill to use than a DMR


Posted by: ShifticusGarell
Posted by: Super tacoman

Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: Super tacoman
more or less proof

he never said to NOT quote him

if he did site your source


It was in a thread that died a long time ago, I would send him a message asking him, but he also said he wouldn't be responding to messages about the subject, but a know a link is somewhere in this thread, why don't you look for it?
PS: This thread has almost hit 6,000 posts, do you seriously think that Bungie would let a thread go this long without debunking it, if there wasn't a distinct possibility of new armor?
please site source..remember when trying to back up a claim you need to site your source..and if you can't dig it up to back up your claim you have no proof

no proof=no truth

near the bottom
yes i looked at otto's post

HOWEVER!!!

in typical bungie fashion nothing is confirmed or denied

and at this point wouldn't the SMART thing to do be to put TRUST in the people who are WELL KNOWN and WELL RESPECTED in the Halo Modding Community (Korn, innergoat, etc..) isntead of relying on the "maybe yes, maybe no" style that bungie is giving you?

  • 03.31.2011 8:37 PM PDT