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Subject: New helmet spotted in Defiant Map pack
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Posted by: KJ1397
Posted by: UrDoinItWrong

Posted by: Desicator616
dosent look like any previous armor I have seen:

EOD
http://www.haloreachplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/8-2 3-2010-4-56-13-PM.jpg

Operator Camera:
http://www.haloreachplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/8-2 3-2010-4-56-45-PM.jpg

New Helmet:http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz289/xxoACEoxx/Condemned_ Action-2_enlarged.jpg

Also look at the collar


Chest piece is EASY to figure out..

Collar Breacher.

Helmet.. could be anything, it is a terrible angle, and terrible quality.


true but you can look at it and see easyly that its diffrent from anything in the game we have


Looking closer at the helmet, and based on its angle, it simply looks like this, but at a very non-normal angle...

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  • 02.16.2011 8:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: RoyalKiller188
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I have a question for all of the giddy and excited people here. If there is armor included in the map pack, why isn't Micro$oft advertising the ever-loving cow pie out of it? If there IS new armor, it's a gimmick to get you to buy the map pack. Gimmicks don't make money if they're secret, they only work when people know about them.

The reasonable thing to do is wait for someone to make an official announcement one way or the other. The map pack will be out in March, it should be pretty clear by then.

*sigh*
This has all been discussed multiple times. It's called viral marketing. They allowed a picture to be released with a new helmet, and there's no way it was an accident. Curious fans check out the picture, post it all over the forums, and the community works itself into a frenzy over it. Based on the amount of posts on this forum (1300+), I would argue that it's working just fine.
They have a month left. They'll start marketing it sooner or later I should think, but for now they're just letting us get all worked up and excited.
It's possible, sure, I'm clearly not denying that there has been buzz generated. I'm only pointing out that a few screenshots isn't much to go on, and given the unlikely nature of new armor, it's going to take more than that to make me suspect that's the case.

  • 02.16.2011 8:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaronPosted by: Shock120
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Nobody ever said new armor was impossible. Just that it couldn't be used on old maps.
It can't come on new maps.

I still believe these images are of the dev build version of Halo Reach.


I find it highly unlikely, and improbable that they would respond so quickly to specific questions and be completely honest on the matter.

Of course they wouldn't say "Yes look forward to new armors being unlocked!" until they wanted to announce it.

Didn't evil otto also say something about not everybody at Bungie knows everything that is going on? Was he part of the guys making the armory?
He didn't respond quickly.
I'm sure that all Bungie employees can unlock armor for themselves.
I'm sure that all Jtaggers can mod the armor for themselves.

But still, you find it impossible for it to be a developer build version of Halo Reach.
Seems like the rest of Bungie.net never heard of their being more than one version of a game.

  • 02.16.2011 8:58 AM PDT
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Will this be another chance for Bungie to screw over their fan base if there isn't a new armor perm released with the upcoming map pack? I will assume so since there is a 99% chance there won't be and everyone else believes there is a 99% chance there will be. Can't wait to see the crushed hopes and dreams of Bnet kids.

  • 02.16.2011 9:01 AM PDT

I'll tear you a new one...

Two things:

1) JumPeR is a troll. It is not necessary to listen or respond to him any more.

2) I don't doubt that there will be new armor coming in the near future, but can we be certain that this new armor will in fact be released with the map pack? I wad thinking on it, and it almost seems too simple. Luke Smith likes making people work for it, and just handing it out doesn't seem like something he would do.

Someone did the calculations once on this guy xXSAVIORS0ULXx guy (and a few others who are Forerunners) and when he is scheduled to hit Inheritor in about mid-March if he keeps this pace up (hitting the cR cap every day). This will be about the same time the map pack is released. What if they're waiting for someone to reach Inheritor?

  • 02.16.2011 9:01 AM PDT


Posted by: Shock120
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaronPosted by: Shock120
Posted by: annoyinginge
Nobody ever said new armor was impossible. Just that it couldn't be used on old maps.
It can't come on new maps.

I still believe these images are of the dev build version of Halo Reach.


I find it highly unlikely, and improbable that they would respond so quickly to specific questions and be completely honest on the matter.

Of course they wouldn't say "Yes look forward to new armors being unlocked!" until they wanted to announce it.

Didn't evil otto also say something about not everybody at Bungie knows everything that is going on? Was he part of the guys making the armory?
He didn't respond quickly.
I'm sure that all Bungie employees can unlock armor for themselves.
I'm sure that all Jtaggers can mod the armor for themselves.

But still, you find it impossible for it to be a developer build version of Halo Reach.
Seems like the rest of Bungie.net never heard of their being more than one version of a game.


Actually, Halo Reach doesn't have all armor unlocked for the employees according to what they said early on.

I'm sure hackers can't find everything. If they could break through permission files, why not hack larger things?

I never said impossible, I just find it unlikely they would take the time to play on the new maps with custom armor(On a dev build), then show pictures to the public.

Hell, notice how that Spartan is the only one that has armor different from the default? Not something that just 'oh, I forgot to switch from my special dev build armor.' can explain.

Fact remains, I'm sure if you messaged Blizzard concerning some campaign detail about the next Starcraft 2 campaign, I doubt they would respond with the complete and utter truth. Same thing with Bungie, they know if they say something in a message which reveals an item they want hidden, guess what? It'll be posted all over the forums.

Edit: I am not saying that new armor will come out, simply saying that there is a chance.

[Edited on 02.16.2011 9:05 AM PST]

  • 02.16.2011 9:03 AM PDT


Posted by: UrDoinItWrong

Posted by: KJ1397
Posted by: UrDoinItWrong

Posted by: Desicator616
dosent look like any previous armor I have seen:

EOD
http://www.haloreachplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/8-2 3-2010-4-56-13-PM.jpg

Operator Camera:
http://www.haloreachplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/8-2 3-2010-4-56-45-PM.jpg

New Helmet:http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz289/xxoACEoxx/Condemned_ Action-2_enlarged.jpg

Also look at the collar


Chest piece is EASY to figure out..

Collar Breacher.

Helmet.. could be anything, it is a terrible angle, and terrible quality.


true but you can look at it and see easyly that its diffrent from anything in the game we have


Looking closer at the helmet, and based on its angle, it simply looks like this, but at a very non-normal angle...

CNM
um i dont think so

  • 02.16.2011 9:03 AM PDT

Posted by: UrDoinItWrong

Posted by: KJ1397
Posted by: UrDoinItWrong

Posted by: Desicator616
dosent look like any previous armor I have seen:

EOD
http://www.haloreachplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/8-2 3-2010-4-56-13-PM.jpg

Operator Camera:
http://www.haloreachplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/8-2 3-2010-4-56-45-PM.jpg

New Helmet:http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz289/xxoACEoxx/Condemned_ Action-2_enlarged.jpg

Also look at the collar


Chest piece is EASY to figure out..

Collar Breacher.

Helmet.. could be anything, it is a terrible angle, and terrible quality.


true but you can look at it and see easyly that its diffrent from anything in the game we have


Looking closer at the helmet, and based on its angle, it simply looks like this, but at a very non-normal angle...

CNM


the lens is yellow....on the hazop it's not

  • 02.16.2011 9:05 AM PDT


Posted by: Tango Down917
Posted by: UrDoinItWrong

Posted by: KJ1397
Posted by: UrDoinItWrong

Posted by: Desicator616
dosent look like any previous armor I have seen:

EOD
http://www.haloreachplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/8-2 3-2010-4-56-13-PM.jpg

Operator Camera:
http://www.haloreachplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/8-2 3-2010-4-56-45-PM.jpg

New Helmet:http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz289/xxoACEoxx/Condemned_ Action-2_enlarged.jpg

Also look at the collar


Chest piece is EASY to figure out..

Collar Breacher.

Helmet.. could be anything, it is a terrible angle, and terrible quality.


true but you can look at it and see easyly that its diffrent from anything in the game we have


Looking closer at the helmet, and based on its angle, it simply looks like this, but at a very non-normal angle...

CNM


the lens is yellow....on the hazop it's not


Top of helm is different. Same with basic shape. Operator is a smaller, leaner helm. That helm doesn't match it.

  • 02.16.2011 9:05 AM PDT
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I really am impressed how the community can find things like this that are so easily overlooked. Our ability to discuss it for 55 pages is equally impressive.

The bottom line is that there are pretty good arguments from both sides. Both sided have made valid points. I think that the only way we'll know for 100% sure, is to wait until march. In the meantime, all of this speculation is fun.

  • 02.16.2011 9:07 AM PDT

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I really am impressed how the community can find things like this that are so easily overlooked. Our ability to discuss it for 55 pages is equally impressive.

The bottom line is that there are pretty good arguments from both sides. Both sided have made valid points. I think that the only way we'll know for 100% sure, is to wait until march. In the meantime, all of this speculation is fun.

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  • 02.16.2011 9:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: Coux73
I really am impressed how the community can find things like this that are so easily overlooked. Our ability to discuss it for 55 pages is equally impressive.

The bottom line is that there are pretty good arguments from both sides. Both sided have made valid points. I think that the only way we'll know for 100% sure, is to wait until march. In the meantime, all of this speculation is fun.



What this guy said.

  • 02.16.2011 9:09 AM PDT

Think, write, and reflect.

Interesting possibility, or an elaborate hoax.

  • 02.16.2011 9:12 AM PDT

UWG

Posted by: General Nelson
Interesting possibility, or an elaborate hoax.


It's ironic that after 50 pages of long-winded intelligent posts, I find this the best one...

  • 02.16.2011 9:16 AM PDT

Ok, let's all break this whole argument up.

Very clearly we see new armor, there are four different explanations going around:

1. It's disc locked content. One of the biggest criticisms is that hackers haven't found it. However, from how it sounds they haven't found everything yet. Perhaps it is only available after Bungie hits a master switch, in which case hackers still wouldn't have access to it. When talking about the Multithreat chest piece, Bungie did say it's only one of many pieces set aside for this sort of thing, and Bungie has hinted at other milestones like the one needed to lift the rank cap.

Plus, according to some questionable intel, there was no armor with the map pack. If I had to guess that supports disc locked content as Bungie can hit the switch the day the map pack is released. I don't think Bungie is one of those companies to sell content on the disc as DLC and am pretty sure they would just do an autoupdate instead. In fact, I'm pretty sure they need to do an autoupdate to update the achievements.

2. It's DLC. One of the biggest criticisms is that the way the engine is set up makes this very prohibitive, if not functionally impossible. Either Certain Affinity found a way to make it possible or Bungie lied to us, I have a hard time believing they wouldn't implement a system to allow DLC armor when there was demand in Halo 3, however, they have said it can't be done practically.

3. It's a dev build of the game. I highly doubt this. Of all the players, only one is seen wearing armor other than default. This seems typical of the Halo hype wagon, a breadcrumb trail of clues. However, the biggest flaw to this theory is they aren't going to introduce new code that would not be shipped during the map testing. If you remember to the dev process of Reach, the last month of development nothing could be added, it was all bug fixes. Anything that would've been added could have potentially destabilized the code more.

I am near 100% certain that Certain Affinity used the latest build of the game instead of an earlier dev version. Obviously they would work on the same version of the game we have or a newer version we'll be patched to so that testing can replicate our conditions as well. Using an older version, digging up cut assets, or adding new assets just wouldn't be done as it could be unstable and throw off testing.

4. It's fake, people are mistaking EOD or Gungnir armor for the helmet and the Assault/Breacher for the chest. First of all, the two visible pieces (helmet and chest) have minimal resemblance to the aforementioned pieces. Indeed, they have characteristics that distinguish them quite a bit. And of the rumors that Major Nelson decided to spend a few hours on Photoshop before uploading them to Waypoint. Again I say we're talking about Major Nelson, we're talking about the official Halo site. Major Nelson would have to be the biggest troll in Halo history to do that, not to mention there'd probably job repercussions were he to do that. It's not shopped.

Conclusion (TL;DR):
Through invocation of Occam's Razor, I have to side with the disc locked content people.

  • 02.16.2011 9:16 AM PDT


Posted by: Coux73
I really am impressed how the community can find things like this that are so easily overlooked. Our ability to discuss it for 55 pages is equally impressive.

The bottom line is that there are pretty good arguments from both sides. Both sided have made valid points. I think that the only way we'll know for 100% sure, is to wait until march. In the meantime, all of this speculation is fun.

QFT

  • 02.16.2011 9:18 AM PDT

Im going to take Bungies silence on this to mean its real. This armour is generating quite a bit of hype and buzz here so I think if the whole thing was fake Bungie would just come out and say so, so as not to get the fans dissapointed.

But I could be wrong!

  • 02.16.2011 9:18 AM PDT

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we're all masochists, deal with it


Posted by: KJ1397
Lets divide people.

Im ganna take rustys post and shorten it...alot..

We have many possibilites and theese are our options

1.Disc locked content

2.DLC

3.Its a dev build.

Side with what you belive. I say its Disc locked.

the Disk Locked side sent me my 13 bottles of Smirnoff ice, why wouldn't i side with them

  • 02.16.2011 9:21 AM PDT

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I vote 3 - It's a dev build.

OP should edit and add a 3 option vote.

[Edited on 02.16.2011 9:25 AM PST]

  • 02.16.2011 9:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
Looks like an illegitimate child between EOD & GUNGNIR


It does. I quite like it :D It's definitely something new. And I think it's totally possible we'll be getting it.

Now I've read the post about how it's impossible to add new armours and I know that to be true. If they did try adding new armour, it would only be available on the maps they released it with.

However, there is a chance that there are extra helmets within the reach disk that are already coded into the map, but simply haven;t been unlocked. Hopefully, this is the case. And perhaps this map pack might have something to do with unlocking it :)

  • 02.16.2011 9:27 AM PDT


Posted by: KJ1397
Lets divide people.

Im ganna take rustys post and shorten it...alot..

We have many possibilites and theese are our options

1.Disc locked content

2.DLC

3.Its a dev build.

Side with what you belive. I say its Disc locked.


Yeah, I sorta did a lengthy explanation. I'll take this as a chance to trim it down:

1. Disc locked content, hackers haven't found it but so what? They haven't found a lot of things. There is certainly a chance they missed it/couldn't access it.

2. DLC, confirmed to be functionally impossible unless Bungie lied or Certain Affinity are gods at coding.

3. Dev build, they're not going to introduce things that wouldn't be used because it could cause glitches/bugs during testing. It's the whole reason the last month of Reach dev nothing could be added.

4. Fake or EOD/Gungnir, it was released on official channels and look again, definitely not EOD or Gungnir.

So we have four options, 1 is plausible, the other three have essentially been proven to untrue. The most logical guess is disc locked content.

  • 02.16.2011 9:28 AM PDT

UWG

Disc Locked Content...

The way this thing has risen up in popularity, isn't just some random incident...I'm fairly damn certain that this was...as many others have said...a Marketing Ploy, it was intended to be spotted and speculated upon...I mean they Character Model with this "New Helmet" is the only Customized one...and it appears in both pictures as the only one to be customized...

Now you're all entitled to disagree, but I just can't see why you would see it differently...but, it's your right to have your own opinion, so I'll just shut up now...

  • 02.16.2011 9:30 AM PDT