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Subject: New helmet spotted in Defiant Map pack

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Alright guys, I've modded games and worked with models, it's easy to add things given the right tools and such.
See in the Source engine (this isn't Source but many fps engines work similarly) their are these things called body-Groups.
Those are like those attachments for the helmets, even then helmets themselves.
You can toggle them, mix and match, stuff like that.
It's plain to see that armor perms are in fact, a form of Body-Grouping.

I would assume Halo would have a similar function becuase without Body-Groups, you'd need however many different models to match each and every single armor combination. That's WAY over one-million different models, the amount of space that would take up would be ridiculous, not to mention the time to put together every single combination.

Now editing Body-Groups is a simple process with the right tools and the knowledge (Not on Halo but in Source and any PC game, modding a console game is insanely hard and punishable via ban-hammer), and you can even make separate files that add new ones. So you DON'T need to edit the content already in the game.
With that said, DLC armor is VERY POSSIBLE if the Halo:Reach engine works anything like the source engine.
Body-Groups and models ARE NOT coded, whoever said "it wont work becuase the way it's coded." has his facts utterly wrong.
If you dot believe me I will take a picture of a model's "code" and show you that no human being can read that jumble of digitized mess.

So yeah that's my take on this, I think it's legit, gave some proof, now I'll just click the submit button.

  • 02.17.2011 5:35 PM PDT

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Halo is like the compiled form of source engine...

  • 02.17.2011 5:36 PM PDT

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Woah...nearly 100 pages...This is quite a topic.

  • 02.17.2011 5:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Shock120
Halo is like the compiled form of source engine...


My point exactly, Many FPS games have very similar code and file formats to it.
Knowing Source helps you understand the fundamentals of how most games work.

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These are images from the beta :)

so if fireguy is right, we might get more armor with that DLC.

  • 02.17.2011 5:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: OO629
so if fireguy is right, we might get more armor with that DLC.
Cool. :)

  • 02.17.2011 5:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Silverhand7
I personally think it's the Millitary one that you get from waypoint.


The stupid... It's contagious, my I.Q. is dropping by the second.


I know it's painful. It's as if people have never seen the actual helmets they speak of.

Nevermind the comparison pic people do (in vain).
Com'on, if your going to join a discussion, at least catch up.
Im laughing so hard. take another look at that pic buddy.

  • 02.17.2011 5:41 PM PDT

Any ideas on what the gametype that is being played in the screenshots is?

Looks like Spartan Vs Elite slayer to me, we might be in for some more gametypes too!

  • 02.17.2011 5:41 PM PDT

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If I were to compare this new helmet to a past one, it would be the old EOD from Halo 3. :/

  • 02.17.2011 5:42 PM PDT

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Honestly I think I just proved the "DLC perms are impossible" thing completely invalid.

That is unless somebody can show me that the models don't utilize Body-Groups and use some advanced model format only found in the depths of a crashed Pfhor warship.


EDIT: Hang on, I keep reading about the .map files.
You people DO realize that was the Halo1 way of doing things right?
Adding all that to every last map would horrible beef up the file size.

[Edited on 02.17.2011 5:47 PM PST]

  • 02.17.2011 5:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: fireguy117Posted by: Shock120
Halo is like the compiled form of source engine...
My point exactly, Many FPS games have very similar code and file formats to it.
Knowing Source helps you understand the fundamentals of how most games work.
I recently became a fan of source games. :3
Here's something to learn about what would happen if source engine did ever compile level resources/category folders into one file for one level/map like bungie does.

It would become optimized for memory efficiency/loading between bsps, you've seen how the BSP switch takes it's time on Half Life 2 (PC included), but for Halo it is quite quick.


[Edited on 02.17.2011 5:49 PM PST]

  • 02.17.2011 5:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Shock120
Posted by: fireguy117Posted by: Shock120
Halo is like the compiled form of source engine...
My point exactly, Many FPS games have very similar code and file formats to it.
Knowing Source helps you understand the fundamentals of how most games work.
I'm recently became a fan of source games. :3
Here's something to learn about what would happen if source engine did ever compile level resources/category folders into one file for one level/map like bungie does.

It would become optimized for memory efficiency/loading between bsps, you've seen how the BSP switch takes it's time on Half Life 2 (PC included), but for Halo it is quite quick.

That is called "Pakratting" it WOULD NOT be used for anything such as armor perms/playermodels/npcs/whatever.
It's only to include models and textures used in the map so you don't see a ton of missing textures and big red flashing errors. It also makes files smaller, but that is done mainly for people who make custom maps, the real devs include everything in compressed files so they don't have crazy load times and the maps simply load things from there instead.
But it makes the map load horrendously slowly, I don't think Halo:Reach maps would shove all the player models in there, it would be idiotic when the game would simply take them from the standard files.

[Edited on 02.17.2011 5:52 PM PST]

  • 02.17.2011 5:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: fireguy117
That is called "Pakratting" it WOULD NOT be used for anything such as armor perms/playermodels/npcs/whatever.
It's only to include models and textures used in the map so you don't see a ton of missing textures and big red flashing errors.
But it makes the map load horrendously slowly, I don't think Halo:Reach maps would shove all the player models in there, it would be idiotic when the game would simply take them from the standard files.
Cross-map sharing is same/similar, right?

[Edited on 02.17.2011 5:52 PM PST]

  • 02.17.2011 5:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Trojahnmann
Can you imagine the amount of people reading the Weekly Update tomorrow? SURELY the most in a long while.. and man if they don't say anything!!!! WHHHHHAATTTT


They're gonna have to say something.

  • 02.17.2011 5:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Shock120
Cross-map sharing is same/similar, right?

I'm not much of a mapper, I'm an animator, modeler, and mostly a re-skinner.
I've never heard of that before to be honest with you.
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  • 02.17.2011 5:55 PM PDT

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Keep in mind I almost never quit, I just hate the fact there are over 6 different bans in the game, kind of leads me to think Bungie just enjoy punishing there fanbase.


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we're all masochists, deal with it

Posted by: Trojahnmann
Can you imagine the amount of people reading the Weekly Update tomorrow? SURELY the most in a long while.. and man if they don't say anything!!!! WHHHHHAATTTT

i doubt they will say anything

  • 02.17.2011 5:57 PM PDT

Well i've never seen it before, so it must be new, you can't download new armor, but i think bungie could make an update that unlocks it?

  • 02.17.2011 5:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: Rauch51
Well i've never seen it before, so it must be new, you can't download new armor, but i think bungie could make an update that unlocks it?
thats exactly what were thinking.

  • 02.17.2011 5:58 PM PDT

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wow 96 pages, this isn't even really a big deal...

  • 02.17.2011 5:59 PM PDT

Posted by: Czech Republic
Keep in mind I almost never quit, I just hate the fact there are over 6 different bans in the game, kind of leads me to think Bungie just enjoy punishing there fanbase.


Posted by: ShifticusGarell
we're all masochists, deal with it

Posted by: sShadow
wow 96 pages, this isn't even really a big deal...

speculation can do that, lol

  • 02.17.2011 5:59 PM PDT


Posted by: Trojahnmann
Can you imagine the amount of people reading the Weekly Update tomorrow? SURELY the most in a long while.. and man if they don't say anything!!!! WHHHHHAATTTT


100$ says they say nothing.

  • 02.17.2011 6:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: sShadow
wow 96 pages, this isn't even really a big deal...

speculation can do that, lol

You've got that right. ;P

  • 02.17.2011 6:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rauch51
Well i've never seen it before, so it must be new, you can't download new armor, but i think bungie could make an update that unlocks it?

Read what I said, all of it, you CAN add new armors.
Jeez.

  • 02.17.2011 6:01 PM PDT

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Almost 100 pages!!!!!!!KEEP IT GOING

  • 02.17.2011 6:02 PM PDT