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Subject: New helmet spotted in Defiant Map pack

Posted by: CultMiester4000
I'm not really an Apple person (Bananas forever) but damn, that's kinda sad.


Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: Ghosthacker07
I will lol so hard when it comes out and their is no armor, who cares anyways, well except for the little kids who want to play dress up.


Don't insult people who like to change their look, some people feel their armor helps express the way they play, or sometimes they want it because it looks cool. Is there any harm in that? I don't worry about what other people use for their armor, just mine.


<3

It would be cool to have a few new pieces, if only to have a bigger armoury.

  • 02.22.2011 1:23 PM PDT


Posted by: ParagonRenegade

Posted by: killrraider13

Posted by: Ghosthacker07
I will lol so hard when it comes out and their is no armor, who cares anyways, well except for the little kids who want to play dress up.


Don't insult people who like to change their look, some people feel their armor helps express the way they play, or sometimes they want it because it looks cool. Is there any harm in that? I don't worry about what other people use for their armor, just mine.


<3

It would be cool to have a few new pieces, if only to have a bigger armoury.


I think that it makes sense to add more armor, seeing as a max inheritor will have 10,000,000 cr that they won't have anything to do with.

  • 02.22.2011 1:26 PM PDT


Posted by: tubb311

Posted by: iassassinFTW
bungie has the ability to add it beacause they can unlock every armour at recruit if they want
you obviously don't get it. there is no new armor yet to be unblocked on the disc.

yuo obviously dont get it... HE'S saying bungie members can use whatever armor they want from the start of their first games as opposed to you having to rank up and trade credits

  • 02.22.2011 1:27 PM PDT

Posted by: CultMiester4000
I'm not really an Apple person (Bananas forever) but damn, that's kinda sad.


Posted by: killrraider13

I think that it makes sense to add more armor, seeing as a max inheritor will have 10,000,000 cr that they won't have anything to do with.


Yeah, doing all that "Wurk" for a meaningless rank seems...... pointless IMO.

  • 02.22.2011 1:27 PM PDT


Posted by: ParagonRenegade

Posted by: killrraider13

I think that it makes sense to add more armor, seeing as a max inheritor will have 10,000,000 cr that they won't have anything to do with.


Yeah, doing all that "Wurk" for a meaningless rank seems...... pointless IMO.


Oh wait, I mean 9,999,999 cr, can't forget the haunted helmet.

  • 02.22.2011 1:29 PM PDT

'life is a stare down with death himself'


Posted by: xXDr00dXx
I want to clear up a few terms here. I have read every page of this thread the last few days, not a post has gone unchecked. Somethings I'm about to go over ARE in fact restatements of things others have said, but none the less need to be stated again.

The first thing every intelligent person in this thread can agree on is this: The helmet and chest piece we see in these pictures have never been seen before. Not in Reach, Halo 3, and as far as I can tell, not in any Bungie title, unlike some other armor (security).

The second thing we can agree on is that the ONLY spartan to have armor other then default is the fancy British one with this monocle and necklace. This points out one very clear thing for me: they did that on purpose so people could find it, and create 2k+ post threads. That's a free ad right there, better then something you'll see on the sidebar of Facebook. It's the same thing that Bungie did with they're ODST interview videos. One person finds this site, another person finds the code, and now 10k posts later, people are more excited for the game. That's all we're seeing, just in a lower scale.

But now the question begs, where did this armor come from? Some people seem to think that it's and old build of the game, and the armor is cut. First off that's near impossible. Why make a map pack for a finished game, but base it off old code? For the map pack would not work on the current build of the game. Secondly, the dev (Certain Affinity) would not even have access to any other build. Thirdly, the building of the map pack began after release, unlike Noble. So this cannot be the answer.

So that leaves the possibility of it being hidden on the disk, or being downloaded. Before I get into this, let me say I did not code Reach in any way shape or form, so I do not know the capabilities of the engine fully. What I DO understand is general game design, and how to find things in the "code", which is really just a file directory.

In my opinion, I think the new armor is going to be in a download. And that is because I cannot find it on the disk. Now I'm sure people that disagree with me are getting ready to pull out the old "Disk Locked", or "Otto Said balh blah". Here is my rebuttal. It is called "Data Mining".

The difference between modding and data mining is that modders just set their credits to 9999999999 and boot up the game. Data mining is the act of looking the games code for things not easily seen on-game.

I did not mod my x-box to unlock everything like you may think. Oh no. I'm using a modded version of a program called "MyWarcraftStudio". This allows anyone to enter the file system of the game "World of Warcraft", and then fiddle with them as such. I used to make mods for the game, oh, 3 years ago I think, towards the end of BC. This is besides the point.

Using the program, I inserted a Reach disk, and was able to begin to browse the folders. I found folders for every piece of armor, the corresponding attachments, and armor effects. Including UA chest, Officer, Flames, and Bungie Blue Flames. I did not find anything that I could not identify. While it is not impossible I my have missed anything that is still hidden on this disk, however if I did, there is not much more to come. This leads me to why I believe the armor will be downloaded: simple fan cry out.

We begged all halo 3 long for Blood Gulch. We got it. We begged since Halo CE for pelicans. We got it, even if it is hidden. We cried to nerf the BR, and yes, we got it. And one of our biggest pleas was for new armor. Why oh why oh why would they not incorporate this into a game that they basically re-built from the ground up? Especially when the focus on a vast armory for the players is one of the main focus points of the game?

Now I'm sure a bunch of you that pulled out your other arguments are saying right now that new armor would only be used in the new maps. To think that this could not be fixed with a simple title update would be so naive that it may warrant and IQ test.

So ion short, due to me not finding it while physically scrolling through code, the large outcry for it, the simplicity and likelihood of an updated armory system, and the shear near impossibility of a new map being build off an old system, I must come to the conclusion that the most likely outcome is that the code for the new armor's visuals will be beamed to my Xbox when the pack comes out, and the code for wearing it will be beamed when I buy the maps.

If you made it this far, thank you.

just gonna bring this post back for the lazy people.
i see your point and would have to agree with you. Besides, if other hits like dead space, mass effect, bioshock, and god knows how many others can add new armor, why can't bungie add armor to halo?

and quick question, did you have to alter the content on "my warcraft studio" to be able to open the reach disc.

[Edited on 02.22.2011 1:38 PM PST]

  • 02.22.2011 1:31 PM PDT


Posted by: sa7anicBarracuda

Posted by: xXDr00dXx
I want to clear up a few terms here. I have read every page of this thread the last few days, not a post has gone unchecked. Somethings I'm about to go over ARE in fact restatements of things others have said, but none the less need to be stated again.

The first thing every intelligent person in this thread can agree on is this: The helmet and chest piece we see in these pictures have never been seen before. Not in Reach, Halo 3, and as far as I can tell, not in any Bungie title, unlike some other armor (security).

The second thing we can agree on is that the ONLY spartan to have armor other then default is the fancy British one with this monocle and necklace. This points out one very clear thing for me: they did that on purpose so people could find it, and create 2k+ post threads. That's a free ad right there, better then something you'll see on the sidebar of Facebook. It's the same thing that Bungie did with they're ODST interview videos. One person finds this site, another person finds the code, and now 10k posts later, people are more excited for the game. That's all we're seeing, just in a lower scale.

But now the question begs, where did this armor come from? Some people seem to think that it's and old build of the game, and the armor is cut. First off that's near impossible. Why make a map pack for a finished game, but base it off old code? For the map pack would not work on the current build of the game. Secondly, the dev (Certain Affinity) would not even have access to any other build. Thirdly, the building of the map pack began after release, unlike Noble. So this cannot be the answer.

So that leaves the possibility of it being hidden on the disk, or being downloaded. Before I get into this, let me say I did not code Reach in any way shape or form, so I do not know the capabilities of the engine fully. What I DO understand is general game design, and how to find things in the "code", which is really just a file directory.

In my opinion, I think the new armor is going to be in a download. And that is because I cannot find it on the disk. Now I'm sure people that disagree with me are getting ready to pull out the old "Disk Locked", or "Otto Said balh blah". Here is my rebuttal. It is called "Data Mining".

The difference between modding and data mining is that modders just set their credits to 9999999999 and boot up the game. Data mining is the act of looking the games code for things not easily seen on-game.

I did not mod my x-box to unlock everything like you may think. Oh no. I'm using a modded version of a program called "MyWarcraftStudio". This allows anyone to enter the file system of the game "World of Warcraft", and then fiddle with them as such. I used to make mods for the game, oh, 3 years ago I think, towards the end of BC. This is besides the point.

Using the program, I inserted a Reach disk, and was able to begin to browse the folders. I found folders for every piece of armor, the corresponding attachments, and armor effects. Including UA chest, Officer, Flames, and Bungie Blue Flames. I did not find anything that I could not identify. While it is not impossible I my have missed anything that is still hidden on this disk, however if I did, there is not much more to come. This leads me to why I believe the armor will be downloaded: simple fan cry out.

We begged all halo 3 long for Blood Gulch. We got it. We begged since Halo CE for pelicans. We got it, even if it is hidden. We cried to nerf the BR, and yes, we got it. And one of our biggest pleas was for new armor. Why oh why oh why would they not incorporate this into a game that they basically re-built from the ground up? Especially when the focus on a vast armory for the players is one of the main focus points of the game?

Now I'm sure a bunch of you that pulled out your other arguments are saying right now that new armor would only be used in the new maps. To think that this could not be fixed with a simple title update would be so naive that it may warrant and IQ test.

So ion short, due to me not finding it while physically scrolling through code, the large outcry for it, the simplicity and likelihood of an updated armory system, and the shear near impossibility of a new map being build off an old system, I must come to the conclusion that the most likely outcome is that the code for the new armor's visuals will be beamed to my Xbox when the pack comes out, and the code for wearing it will be beamed when I buy the maps.

If you made it this far, thank you.

just gonna bring this post back for the lazy people.
i see your point and would have to agree with you. Besides, if other hits like dead space, mass effect, bioshock, and god knows how many others can add new armor, why can't bungie add armor to halo?

and quick question, did you have to alter the content on "my warcraft studio" to be able to open the reach disc.


Exactly, this is one good argument that's hard to rebuttal

  • 02.22.2011 1:39 PM PDT
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I hope theirs new armor.

  • 02.22.2011 2:23 PM PDT

Chris > Non Chris

When the DLC is out you'll probably get a update that adds the armour to all the current files so you can see it with/without the DLC. but to buy it you'll have to download the DLC, get to a certain rank and fork out some credits.


[Edited on 02.22.2011 2:32 PM PST]

  • 02.22.2011 2:32 PM PDT

Whoa

  • 02.22.2011 2:35 PM PDT

Burn Bright. Burn Blue. Love ya Bungie!


Posted by: Shock120
Posted by: Zekezan88
They do, you -blam!- retard, it's called have a devkit or a jtag.
LOL, I can't believe they didn't know that.
Well, I don't exactly play Halo 3 anymore so I wouldn't know.

  • 02.22.2011 2:38 PM PDT

Been a Bungie fan since the days of Myth TFL.

Posted by: Sinnerj117

Posted by: Shock120
[quote]Posted by: Zekezan88
They do, you -blam!- retard, it's called have a devkit or a jtag.
LOL, I can't believe they didn't know that.


Like, omigawd, I know! Right?

Easy fellas. Not everyone can be as enlightened as you.

  • 02.22.2011 3:50 PM PDT


Posted by: chrismcw
When the DLC is out you'll probably get a update that adds the armour to all the current files so you can see it with/without the DLC. but to buy it you'll have to download the DLC, get to a certain rank and fork out some credits.


This

  • 02.22.2011 4:25 PM PDT

Been a Bungie fan since the days of Myth TFL.

The more I see this armor the more I want it (and the hope of others unseen).

If this is viral marketing, they're doing it right.

  • 02.22.2011 4:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: pulvis ira
The more I see this armor the more I want it (and the hope of others unseen).

If this is viral marketing, they're doing it right.


QFT.

  • 02.22.2011 5:06 PM PDT

Remember, defiant map pack is made by 343

This helmet could also be made by 343

The company may be showing some armor for halo 4 maybe?

  • 02.22.2011 5:14 PM PDT


Posted by: pikasaibot
this is are new vidmaster armor to go with the map pack.


There is going to be vidmasters on the new map pack add on? By the way you type/spell, I'm guessing you really do not know for sure...

  • 02.22.2011 5:16 PM PDT

Here we go :)


Posted by: Ghosthacker07
I will lol so hard when it comes out and their is no armor, who cares anyways, well except for the little kids who want to play dress up.


Me and some other people with knowledge are LoLing at the Kids here. There will be in fact no Update or Patch. Reach will accept the Maps like the Noble Pack. And there is no new Armor, but people wont trust me or other ones who know thats a fact too.


[Edited on 02.22.2011 5:22 PM PST]

  • 02.22.2011 5:21 PM PDT

Maybe its like the recon helmet for halo 3. Maybe only bungie can get it.

  • 02.22.2011 5:29 PM PDT

Yo soy.

I'm amazed at how people notice these small details in a trailer such as the Defiant one. I would of never noticed that. And for it to create a 140+ page thread is even more amazing. I love the Halo community!

  • 02.22.2011 5:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Colonel Cuba
I'm amazed at how people notice these small details in a trailer such as the Defiant one. I would of never noticed that. And for it to create a 140+ page thread is even more amazing. I love the Halo community!


The concept of new armor lures many people.

  • 02.22.2011 5:36 PM PDT

When in March does the Defiant Map Pack get released? I remember in a recent BWU they said that there would be a Reach update in March, perhaps the update is to include new armor.

I'm guessing between Bungie, 343i, Microsoft and Certain Affinity there is some sort of detail release embargo in place to stop them discussing the new armor, otherwise I would have expected some sort of response by now.

  • 02.22.2011 5:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: xxo ACE oxx
When in March does the Defiant Map Pack get released? I remember in a recent BWU they said that there would be a Reach update in March, perhaps the update is to include new armor.

I'm guessing between Bungie, 343i, Microsoft and Certain Affinity there is some sort of detail release embargo in place to stop them discussing the new armor, otherwise I would have expected some sort of response by now.


That could be the case.

  • 02.22.2011 5:56 PM PDT
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on the offensive

if this is gonna be in defiant, i call fist dibs!

  • 02.22.2011 6:06 PM PDT