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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: AngrydoG
Posted by: The Seraphim

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Concerning Condemned, when you were in space it was before the space battle, and you weren't near the defenses lol. Anyway concerning planet being glassed, I noticed how it seemed overdone, I didn't think glassing caused the planet to glow like that <_<.


The time that Condemned takes place is at about the end of the Fall of Reach ( The actual battle ). The Planet is still heated and covered in glass molten as the glassing process hasn't been completed.


the Covie ships can galss one acre of land per 15 seconds of Projected Energy beam fire. It would take years to Glass all of Reach.

The way Bungie showed reach glassed looked much better.


I disagree. Bungie completely nerfed Covenant glassing power. They turned it from, "The covenant can glass entire planets within days" to "It would take 20 years of 100 ships to glass one planet lol."

It completely ruins much of what we've been told before. The Covenant show up. Glass the planet leaving it completely devoid of life, then they move on. It's they always did, with few exceptions. Hell, ONE ship. ONE. COVENANT. SHIP. Nearly wiped out Harvest until massive reinforcements arrived.

Glassing now is pathetic. I hope the "datapads" aren't considered canon in 343's eyes, much as how they have slightly disregarded the Halo 3 Terminals.


Pseudo-realistic principals? To MY doomsday machines!?

Harvest should've never been attacked by one ship. The second that retcon was made, it should have never been glassed. I just improved the barability your precious canon by a good 5%

There! HAIL me! Bob, savoir of the fandumb!

[Edited on 02.15.2011 7:48 PM PST]

  • 02.15.2011 7:47 PM PDT


Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: AngrydoG
Posted by: The Seraphim

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Concerning Condemned, when you were in space it was before the space battle, and you weren't near the defenses lol. Anyway concerning planet being glassed, I noticed how it seemed overdone, I didn't think glassing caused the planet to glow like that <_<.


The time that Condemned takes place is at about the end of the Fall of Reach ( The actual battle ). The Planet is still heated and covered in glass molten as the glassing process hasn't been completed.


the Covie ships can galss one acre of land per 15 seconds of Projected Energy beam fire. It would take years to Glass all of Reach.

The way Bungie showed reach glassed looked much better.


I disagree. Bungie completely nerfed Covenant glassing power. They turned it from, "The covenant can glass entire planets within days" to "It would take 20 years of 100 ships to glass one planet lol."

It completely ruins much of what we've been told before. The Covenant show up. Glass the planet leaving it completely devoid of life, then they move on. It's they always did, with few exceptions. Hell, ONE ship. ONE. COVENANT. SHIP. Nearly wiped out Harvest until massive reinforcements arrived.

Glassing now is pathetic. I hope the "datapads" aren't considered canon in 343's eyes, much as how they have slightly disregarded the Halo 3 Terminals.


Pseudo-realistic principals? To MY doomsday machines!?

Harvest should've never been attacked by one ship. The second that retcon was made, it should have never been glassed. I just improved the barability your precious canon by a good 5%

There! HAIL me! Bob, savoir of the fandumb!


Actually, it was one Covenant ship, then a battleship arrived and finished the job. Besides, Harvest had no defenses. They evacuated, and the brute ship reported their success. The UNSC fleet that arrived encountered a battleship, not the Brute ship in poor condition <_<.

Then again, you must notice the major thing. The UNSC NEVER stayed around to watch. The covenant glassing was pretty much just like the glassing done in the Evolutions story.

They simply glassed a city(major population areas), or just enough to make the planet barren, then moved on. They never fully glassed a planet that we have seen.

  • 02.15.2011 8:00 PM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

Well in the trailer they were obviously earlyish builds of the maps and the graphics didn't look really defined yet. I'm sure we'll get some more details when they are released.

  • 02.15.2011 8:08 PM PDT

"Concise and devoid of elegance...what I have come to expect from human communication"-Endless Summer

The glow is atmospheric deflection of light.

  • 02.15.2011 8:20 PM PDT

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: AngrydoG
Posted by: The Seraphim

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Concerning Condemned, when you were in space it was before the space battle, and you weren't near the defenses lol. Anyway concerning planet being glassed, I noticed how it seemed overdone, I didn't think glassing caused the planet to glow like that <_<.


The time that Condemned takes place is at about the end of the Fall of Reach ( The actual battle ). The Planet is still heated and covered in glass molten as the glassing process hasn't been completed.


the Covie ships can galss one acre of land per 15 seconds of Projected Energy beam fire. It would take years to Glass all of Reach.

The way Bungie showed reach glassed looked much better.


I disagree. Bungie completely nerfed Covenant glassing power. They turned it from, "The covenant can glass entire planets within days" to "It would take 20 years of 100 ships to glass one planet lol."

It completely ruins much of what we've been told before. The Covenant show up. Glass the planet leaving it completely devoid of life, then they move on. It's they always did, with few exceptions. Hell, ONE ship. ONE. COVENANT. SHIP. Nearly wiped out Harvest until massive reinforcements arrived.

Glassing now is pathetic. I hope the "datapads" aren't considered canon in 343's eyes, much as how they have slightly disregarded the Halo 3 Terminals.
Even the Assembly-Return glassing leaves the planet completely devoid of life. It just doesn't turn the entire planet into a glass ball.

The math makes sense: if a couple dozen covenant ships have the firepower to melt a planetary surface in a day, they would completely annihilate the comparably tiny UNSC ships in space. Or the cradle. The whole idea of melting a planet's surface was ridiculous, and I'm surprised it was never thought of outside Star Wars vs Halo battles.

  • 02.15.2011 9:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Bungie was probably like, "S*it. They've made The Fall of Reach more accurate in this map pack then we did in the entire campaign!"


this x100

  • 02.16.2011 3:27 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Concerning Condemned, when you were in space it was before the space battle, and you weren't near the defenses lol. Anyway concerning planet being glassed, I noticed how it seemed overdone, I didn't think glassing caused the planet to glow like that <_<.

Unearthed, yep it takes place in the same civilian sector as Tip of the Spear.

Either way, the new maps look awesome from what I've seen and I personally can't wait to try them out.


Glassing is something awesome the covenant do, therefore it must be awesome and glow a lot.

  • 02.16.2011 3:42 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Fatal Factor
Condemned appears to show entire continents of the planet reduced to molten slag and glowing, which seems to contradict the statements made by the committee of minds in the data pads which says that the covies only razed from orbit human population centres, not entire landmasses. And reach was quite sparsely populated too.

Oh dear!


I noticed this too, but remember, the Assembly, at the time, was only exposed to 1 years of knowledge and virtually no experiance with the Covenant's weapons. They were bound to make mistakes.

Plus they were talking about literal glassing (literally turning a planet to glass) not just incineration.


Dont think it was anything to do with any special knowledge of covie weapons apart from 1 acre/15 seconds, the rest is some basic calculations on the amount of energy it would take to literally turn the entire surface of a planet to slag, turns out it would be astronomical, akin to the energy imparted if the moon came down and crashed into the earth. Spaceships cannot contain and dispense energies like that, and even 10 years ago when i first read TFOR when i was like 12 i thought "they cant literally mean turning then planet into a ball of glass" which they dont because its a ridiculous concept.

Everyone clinging to the ball of glass thing is deluded. As dot would say, the mathematics are determinate.

Its likely that 'glassing' came about as a colloquialism from the UNSC personnel who witnessed a covenant orbital razing of a colony planet and the civilians who survived such an event. It makes the even sound really horrific, which indeed it was for those people, but not on a planetary scale. I dont think it is ever stated anywhere that the entire planet is turned to glass in a literal sense.

I like the theory about atmospheric glowing, light reflection aswell. You can see in the intro cutscene to the game that the atmosphere is boiling hot over a very wide area after what the covenant did, and also in the return to sword base where you see that icemelt from atmospheric heat has risen the sealevel about 2 meters at farragaut station despite the nearest glassing going on at the airstrip and no where near sword base.

[Edited on 02.16.2011 5:41 AM PST]

  • 02.16.2011 5:29 AM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.

Didn't any of you guys see that video on Waypoint? The one with the Elite whom returned to a glassed planet? That's how it looks from the surface. A mirror usually ain't blank on both sides.

  • 02.16.2011 6:18 AM PDT

Life's battles don't always go
To the stronger or faster man.
But sooner or later, the man who wins
Is the man who thinks he can.

Nice to see 343 doing something in line with canon :/

  • 02.16.2011 8:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

How come people just cant seem to understand 343 ONLY distributes the map pack, they had nothing to do with dev.

  • 02.16.2011 11:18 AM PDT


Posted by: HipiO7
How come people just cant seem to understand 343 ONLY distributes the map pack, they had nothing to do with dev.


Sure they did, they oversee ALL things halo. They may not have personally made the maps, but they most likely told whoever did what they wanted.

  • 02.16.2011 11:41 AM PDT


Posted by: Fatal Factor

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Fatal Factor
Condemned appears to show entire continents of the planet reduced to molten slag and glowing, which seems to contradict the statements made by the committee of minds in the data pads which says that the covies only razed from orbit human population centres, not entire landmasses. And reach was quite sparsely populated too.

Oh dear!


I noticed this too, but remember, the Assembly, at the time, was only exposed to 1 years of knowledge and virtually no experiance with the Covenant's weapons. They were bound to make mistakes.

Plus they were talking about literal glassing (literally turning a planet to glass) not just incineration.


Dont think it was anything to do with any special knowledge of covie weapons apart from 1 acre/15 seconds, the rest is some basic calculations on the amount of energy it would take to literally turn the entire surface of a planet to slag, turns out it would be astronomical, akin to the energy imparted if the moon came down and crashed into the earth. Spaceships cannot contain and dispense energies like that, and even 10 years ago when i first read TFOR when i was like 12 i thought "they cant literally mean turning then planet into a ball of glass" which they dont because its a ridiculous concept.

Everyone clinging to the ball of glass thing is deluded. As dot would say, the mathematics are determinate.

Its likely that 'glassing' came about as a colloquialism from the UNSC personnel who witnessed a covenant orbital razing of a colony planet and the civilians who survived such an event. It makes the even sound really horrific, which indeed it was for those people, but not on a planetary scale. I dont think it is ever stated anywhere that the entire planet is turned to glass in a literal sense.

I like the theory about atmospheric glowing, light reflection aswell. You can see in the intro cutscene to the game that the atmosphere is boiling hot over a very wide area after what the covenant did, and also in the return to sword base where you see that icemelt from atmospheric heat has risen the sealevel about 2 meters at farragaut station despite the nearest glassing going on at the airstrip and no where near sword base.


Right, the glass ball thing was never the case. I always saw it as it turned out to be.

The Covenant can incinerate the surface of an entire planet, but they can't literally glass it. There's a major difference between the two. One, the surface is blackened and blasted with indesrcibible heat brought about by heating the atmosphere, intense wild fires and plasma barrages. The other, the entire surface is glass because of rediculous power that makes no sense.

Frankly, I'm surprised anyone ever really beleived the glass ball concept. I was nine and it still made no sense to me.

So the Covies are back to being planet killers, just not glassers.

  • 02.16.2011 2:54 PM PDT

Glassing is a slang term for the Covenant's destruction as the intense heat from their plasma weapons often vitrify large areas of the surface of the planets they destroy.

The idea most likely comes from early nuclear bomb tests where the intense heat from the explosions melted the desert sand into glass.

The idea of weapons being hot enough to do this is not as far fetched as you think as we've done it before.

  • 02.16.2011 3:07 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Fatal Factor

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Fatal Factor
Condemned appears to show entire continents of the planet reduced to molten slag and glowing, which seems to contradict the statements made by the committee of minds in the data pads which says that the covies only razed from orbit human population centres, not entire landmasses. And reach was quite sparsely populated too.

Oh dear!


I noticed this too, but remember, the Assembly, at the time, was only exposed to 1 years of knowledge and virtually no experiance with the Covenant's weapons. They were bound to make mistakes.

Plus they were talking about literal glassing (literally turning a planet to glass) not just incineration.


Dont think it was anything to do with any special knowledge of covie weapons apart from 1 acre/15 seconds, the rest is some basic calculations on the amount of energy it would take to literally turn the entire surface of a planet to slag, turns out it would be astronomical, akin to the energy imparted if the moon came down and crashed into the earth. Spaceships cannot contain and dispense energies like that, and even 10 years ago when i first read TFOR when i was like 12 i thought "they cant literally mean turning then planet into a ball of glass" which they dont because its a ridiculous concept.

Everyone clinging to the ball of glass thing is deluded. As dot would say, the mathematics are determinate.

Its likely that 'glassing' came about as a colloquialism from the UNSC personnel who witnessed a covenant orbital razing of a colony planet and the civilians who survived such an event. It makes the even sound really horrific, which indeed it was for those people, but not on a planetary scale. I dont think it is ever stated anywhere that the entire planet is turned to glass in a literal sense.

I like the theory about atmospheric glowing, light reflection aswell. You can see in the intro cutscene to the game that the atmosphere is boiling hot over a very wide area after what the covenant did, and also in the return to sword base where you see that icemelt from atmospheric heat has risen the sealevel about 2 meters at farragaut station despite the nearest glassing going on at the airstrip and no where near sword base.


Right, the glass ball thing was never the case. I always saw it as it turned out to be.

The Covenant can incinerate the surface of an entire planet, but they can't literally glass it. There's a major difference between the two. One, the surface is blackened and blasted with indesrcibible heat brought about by heating the atmosphere, intense wild fires and plasma barrages. The other, the entire surface is glass because of rediculous power that makes no sense.

Frankly, I'm surprised anyone ever really beleived the glass ball concept. I was nine and it still made no sense to me.

So the Covies are back to being planet killers, just not glassers.


Well i suppose merely scorching the entire surface of a planet (or just certain continents, excluding ocean) is perhaps within the realm of possibility for an entire covie fleet of 700~ ships. But not in one day though.

Mabye.

  • 02.16.2011 3:14 PM PDT

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  • 02.16.2011 5:34 PM PDT

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343 took over the Halo IP BEFORE Reach came out. Therefore, ALL of Reach's campaign can legitimately be considered NON-Canon.

  • 02.22.2011 11:00 AM PDT


Posted by: NecroGrim
343 took over the Halo IP BEFORE Reach came out. Therefore, ALL of Reach's campaign can legitimately be considered NON-Canon.


Actually, that means they took over Halo right after Halo 3 was released.

Which I don't think they did, might be mistaken.

  • 02.22.2011 11:08 AM PDT
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The OP seems to be under the impression that book!canon and game!canon have been rendered mutually exclusive.

If the map pack prooves anything, it's that its not. FoR locations still exist. FoR events still occured in broad strokes.

  • 02.22.2011 11:09 AM PDT

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Almost seems like 343 GS have taken this opportunity to include maps based on the novel and the elements that most of us, the players, wanted to visit during Halo Reach. I really like it.

  • 02.22.2011 12:16 PM PDT


Posted by: NecroGrim
343 took over the Halo IP BEFORE Reach came out. Therefore, ALL of Reach's campaign can legitimately be considered NON-Canon.


What the hell have you been smoking? I don't know when 343 was created to be the shepards of Halo, but even if it was before Reach came out, it does not make Reach non-canon, because Microsoft, the owners of Halo, had Bungie make one last game, since Microsoft commissioned the game, it is completely canon. I guess by your logic none of the books should be canon because none of them were made by Bungie or 343.

  • 02.22.2011 1:05 PM PDT

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