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Subject: Post-War Universe.

Posted by: ElementalRunner

Posted by: Commander Stroll
Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

One of my favourite topics in Halo to discuss (no sarcasm btw).

I think that the UNSC will take a LONG time to re-form to a decent level of power. The Human population is 200 million, Earth is a bit beaten up in places, but worst of all, only a couple of colonies remain if any.

There's going to be a lot of work put on re-colonising the important worlds such as Reach and Harvest.

  • 02.16.2011 9:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: CoolCJ24
One of my favourite topics in Halo to discuss (no sarcasm btw).

I think that the UNSC will take a LONG time to re-form to a decent level of power. The Human population is 200 million, Earth is a bit beaten up in places, but worst of all, only a couple of colonies remain if any.

There's going to be a lot of work put on re-colonising the important worlds such as Reach and Harvest.


Harvest was not that important. It was a small colony agricultural world of less than 300,000. But Reach, a population of nearly 1 billion was far more important. And in the 2580s it seems Humanity was terraforming and colonizing old worlds.

  • 02.16.2011 9:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: CoolCJ24
One of my favourite topics in Halo to discuss (no sarcasm btw).

I think that the UNSC will take a LONG time to re-form to a decent level of power. The Human population is 200 million, Earth is a bit beaten up in places, but worst of all, only a couple of colonies remain if any.

There's going to be a lot of work put on re-colonising the important worlds such as Reach and Harvest.


this, but I also see Humanity being in an "uneasy" alliance with Sangheili....at first

Sure they may trade technologies and co-exist for a while (at least until a few decades after the Sangheili have defeated the Jiralhanae), perhaps with some sparse Sangheili settlements on some of the outer colonies, but ultimately this relationship is doomed.

I could see a Sangheili/Human war well after both species have rebuilt their resources. Perhaps it is Human greed and Sangheili honor being the straw that breaks the camel's back.

The Innies would still be against UNSC colonization post-war. Perhaps they no longer see the need for an overarching super-power/government now that the Flood and the Covenant have been eliminated. Sure, they were against UNSC before the war, but I think during the war they realized that the UNSC was their only hope for survival (at least after their attempt at trading with the covenant was an epic failure).

The Innies could potentially take advantage of the eventual Human/Sangheili conflict in seeing that it is their opportunity to work/trade with the Sangheili in order to defeat and disperse the UNSC.

Though Sangheili tend to view humans as weak, pathetic vermin, the Innies would probably try to gain their trust so that they might preserve their own existence after the UNSC is destroyed.

I don't see this ending well, however. Once again, in an attempt to obtain autonomy, the Innies misplace their trust and once again are betrayed by their "allies."

I think that the spartan program would secretly have been re-initiated after the conflict with Covenant. Conscription would have started before the end of the war, however.

Better MJOLNIR, better training, better weapons. These Spartans, trained by MC, will be more deadly than any of the previous incarnations. They will fight to a stalemate with the Sangheili during the eventual Sangheili/Human war.

Perhaps this future war will not be as costly, nor as destructive as the previous Human/Covenant war. It may only take place on the Outer Colonies. Eventually though, the Sangheili and Humans will agree to lay down their arms, with the Sangheili colonies being disbanded, all the warriors return to their homeworlds and the humans being left in the galaxy to their own.

Once again, alone.


EDIT: Harvest was important because of the amount of raw resources it produced.

From Halo.wikia.com:
Harvest was one of the UNSC's more productive and peaceful colonies, Within two decades of its founding, it had the highest per capita agricultural manufacture of any outer colony. Major crops, such as corn, wheat, watermelons, peaches, apples, grapes, and numerous other foodstuffs nourished the inhabitants of more than half a dozen other colonies

[Edited on 02.16.2011 10:08 AM PST]

  • 02.16.2011 10:04 AM PDT

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Though Sangheili tend to view humans as weak, pathetic vermin, the Innies would probably try to gain their trust so that they might preserve their own existence after the UNSC is destroyed.

The usual Sangheili (save for ones like Ripa Moram'ee) never really thought of this. They viewed the humans as honorable warriors and were impressed of their dedication to fighting even though they were outnumbered and outgunned.

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Posted by: scene4kaos
Though Sangheili tend to view humans as weak, pathetic vermin, the Innies would probably try to gain their trust so that they might preserve their own existence after the UNSC is destroyed.

The usual Sangheili (save for ones like Ripa Moram'ee) never really thought of this. They viewed the humans as honorable warriors and were impressed of their dedication to fighting even though they were outnumbered and outgunned.


Well guess that blows my entire theory out of the water :P
j/k

After reading TFoR, I was pretty sure that they didn't have a lot of respect for Humans. Even during their first "truce," the Sangheili were weary of their unlikely allies.

I'm sure that it could be arguable, one way or another. Perhaps the Sangheili population is split when it comes to their opinions of humans?

[Edited on 02.16.2011 10:18 AM PST]

  • 02.16.2011 10:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: privet caboose
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Well, 6 years after the events in Halo 3, the Elites are hunting down and murdering all the brutes they can find. The Prophets were nearly entirely wiped out by the Flood on High Charity, and less than 1,000 remain.

There's not really much we know, other than that the Elites are completely lost and are running low on ships, though they're kicking the brutes asses I guess.


Yeah, The Covenant is a touchy subject at the time. But I feel, the Sangheili being the resourceful beings they are would be completely competent in re-creating their once powerful Empire, though drastically different.


The Elites are dangerously low on supplies. The Prophets were always the ones who designed/built their ships. They can really only fight with what little they had left after the war, so every ship is precious at this point.


Perhaps in the post war, Humanity comes up and replaces the Prophets role as scientists, the Elite's know they are capable and are extremly adaptable.

And plus, Humanity could fight and send men into battle along with the Elites, something that the Prophets wouldnt do. I think Humanity could replace the Prophets perfectly.

  • 02.16.2011 11:00 AM PDT

An assassin will always carry on, even after death.

Someone might have mentioned this before, I only read half the first page.

A lot of people are saying the UNSC will prosper, that's wrong.

With so few humans, and so little resorces left on Earth(in 500 years there will be much less than there is now) the UNSC will have to take full control of every human, deciding what you can eat and all that. Remember, Earth is one of the last planets not to mention in 2553 most resources will have been used.

The UNSC will have to put down human rebellion, terrorism will start up, everything will be a bit of a mess for at least 30 years.


As for the Elites...

They'll have to take apart some of their ships and study how their made, otherwise they're going to have to spend around a hundred years figuring out how to build ships on their own.


The Brutes...

They'll fight the Elites for several years before being pushed back to one planet and fighting each other, their technology will evolve and devolve after that, just like it had before the Covenant found them.


The Jackals...

They'll pirate the universe with what ships they can get their hands on, they may be a threat to recovering Elites and Humans, however they could also be a major help. The Jackals are very like humans.


The Grunts...

Back to their lovely, firey, mething filled world.

  • 02.16.2011 11:14 AM PDT

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A lot of people are saying the UNSC will prosper, that's wrong.

I cannot agree with that fully. Perhaps there may be some stife at the first few years, but I think the conflict would of made rebels realize we need to stand united in order to defend against other enemies that may be out there. Also, if you look at the Believe Campaign, specifically the Museum of Humanity, it seems Humanity have gotten back on their feet.

  • 02.16.2011 1:06 PM PDT

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Above all else, I want to find out what the Grunts are doing. I find them really interesting, and not just because of comic relief. Are they working with the Elites and Humans? Were they scared by the Brutes into working for them? Did they just go back to their planet, and live peaceful lives?

  • 02.16.2011 1:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartanguy123
Above all else, I want to find out what the Grunts are doing. I find them really interesting, and not just because of comic relief. Are they working with the Elites and Humans? Were they scared by the Brutes into working for them? Did they just go back to their planet, and live peaceful lives?


I had an idea that they would cede from The Covenant and form their own government. In turn, they would better train their species in any field imaginable and end up becoming a formidable race, whom would ultimately war with Jackals, who I feel would Cede from The Covenant seeing as they're more mercenaries than actual soldiers. But who knows.

  • 02.16.2011 1:37 PM PDT

Humanity quickly bounces back, we know that they've started recolonizing their old worlds by 2589. I don't know about whether it would happen in the near future, but I see Humanity and the Elites forming some sort of alliance, they'll definitely conduct trade and possibly share technology. Things certainly won't be all "happy ending, hugs, peace and love" to begin with. But I don't see war as an inevitable event, sure it might happen, but I'm thinking not.

The Grunts and Hunters will probably stick with the Elites and keep a mini "Covenant" going. The Covenant Loyalists will have disbanded and gone their separate ways. Jackals will probably have neutral relations with Humanity, they have before and I see them continuing to do so. Brutes will gradually destroy themselves due to in-fighting and internal power struggles and rapidly become simple savages with little to no technology again. Prophets will probably go extinct in the known galaxy, and will either never reappear or won't be seen again 'til the ones on their home-world are discovered.

  • 02.16.2011 2:37 PM PDT

For different races, here's how it could go down:

Humans: Heavily damaged, with only 2hundred million people left. However, we are known for coming back from severe blows (WWII anyone?) so it is conceivable we become the new galactic super power. Possibly create trade ties with the Elites (who are in dire need of resources).

Elites: Being a warrior race, and having a truce with the humans, they will most likely be the new power's primary fighting force (they still have a good-sized population too). They will continue to war with the Brutes and any other Covenant Loyalists that remain until the Covenant threat is finished for good. As human populaation will collapse in case of another war, the Elites will most likely protect us (since they know the truth of our Forerunner inheritance).

Brutes: Have broken into smaller factions who war with each other and the Seperatist-UNSC alliance. Ultimately, their power is waning to only tgose they can scare or bribe into helping them. They are a race of gangsters basically.

Grunts: Loyalties are reliant entirely on territories at the time. If a group of Grunts are in the Brute's territory, they work for them. In the Elites/humans, visa versa. Otherwise, any independant factions may ultimately choose to join one side or the other, most likely the Elites considering their dominance in the galaxy. Being handy workers and brilliant with mechanics, they would be the worker force.

Hunters: This is a tough one. It depends on polotics we don't know yet. Hunters joined the Covenant soley for easy space-lane access so as to travel the galaxy. Some Hunters may remain loyal to the Covenant out of their famous bondage to their brothers (who they may consider the Covenant as family), but others will see benefit from the Seperatists and the UNSC, who now pretty much control the galaxy and its space-lanes. This race could be split depending on how the individual Hunters think.

Jackals: This is a split race for sure. They are a race of pirates and mercanaries, and join the groups who pay the most or have the most to offer. We can expect to see a lot of trouble regarding the Jackals (see: the Return)

Drones: It may be possible that the Drones will remain independant. They are a hive race, so they might not affiliate themselves with either party and remain a seperate state on Palomok.

Prophets: Unknown, but for sure, it looks like they're done, really. They already had severe breeding issues, and now only have 1,000 in their population. It seems, as sad is it is, that humanity's former allies are finished forever.

  • 02.16.2011 2:42 PM PDT

Bacon for all !!!!!!!!!!!111111111111

Posted by: hal0 slay3r661
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then forerunners show and are all like 'wtf is this? we left you guys alone for like 100,000 years and this is what happens...'

LOL

  • 02.16.2011 2:48 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

I think the evidence for an alliance might be staring us in the face.

Usze 'Taham becomes a liaison within the UNSC after the Great Schism (I.E. After 2559).

N'tho 'Sraom is the youngest member of his Special Operations unit and is one of a growing number of human sympathizers amongst the Sangheili youth.
Conversations from the Universe

The Humans are weak, but they are tenacious. Even the smallest ones hurl themselves against our defenses with honor. If only the Unggoy were as committed.

>>> I wonder about the Humans, Commander. Their technology is limited, but some of it is useful and their battle techniques are impressive. They are excellent strategists. But what I ask is this: Why have we not offered them the absolution of the Covenant? From the beginning of this war, the Prophets have made no attempt to absorb them or even offer the option of honorable submission. Why?

Perhaps they fear them? We do not know where their homeworld is. Their pattern of retreat is either hopelessly random, or brilliantly conceived. What if the Humans have more power, more numbers than we suspect? What if they lead us to a trap?

>>> No. I do not think that is the reasoning. They continue to lose territory, and pattern or no pattern, these defenses must be part of a perimeter. I suspect we are forcing them into a tighter arena than they care to fight in-soon we may be able to use the Sharquoi. And their victories, however few, always rely on the same thing-strategy, brute force, or luck. No. The only secret they hold is the location of their homeworld.

What about the atrocity at Halo? That was not luck, nor brute force. The Demon is a mystery. He outwitted and outfought entire legions on Halo. Perhaps there are more like him?

>>> I do not believe that. We have seen their kind before and destroyed them. Their numbers have dwindled and there have been no reported sightings since our victory at Reach.

Then why do we continue to hunt them? When surely they merit consideration to accept and embrace the Covenant?

>>> Let us discuss this at a more prudent moment. A Jiralhanae approaches.

I won't bother listing Zhar's opinions from the Cole Protocol, and I cannot be arsed scouring the Halo Encyclopedia for more references to this, but it is obvious that opinions within the Sangheili are changing, and have been changing already over the course of the war.

ONI's intensive propaganda program might come in handy with future relations with them. In a HGN story (Sunrise over New Mombasa I think it is called), people were strutting around thinking that the UNSC was winning, and could finish the Covenant at any time. Others like the insurrection were ignorant enough to the war to think that Humanity started it.
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Cortana in First Strike mentions that Covenant scientific understanding is so poor that they do not even have an equivalent to Maxwell's' field equations, the fundamentals of electric circuitry, optics and telecommunication. The Sangheili's situation is a little bit more dire than just having to stare at blueprints and ship parts until they figure it out. They are going to have to develop their mathematics and physics. Unfortunately, they have boasted physical prowess over intellect for over 3000 years...

They have also lost their afterlife belief. I wonder how that will affect their warrior culture. If nothing happens after death, will they be so willing to put their lives on the line? Let us face it, no Sangheili, in their mind, has ever truly faced death. They believed that they would die only to awaken in some bloody afterlife.

An alliance with Humanity would not only solve their problems in engineering, mathematics and physics, but also their philosophical and theological ones. I would imagine that virtually all Philosophy/Theology in the Covenant would have been devoted to the Great Journey. Anything else would likely have been deemed Heresy.

Question is, what does Humanity need of the Sangheili? I am not sure that there would be enough benefits for Humanity in order for Humanitys leadership to get over the war.

  • 02.16.2011 3:53 PM PDT

I guess that Humans will have a fun time getting back together, being in a dire situation.
Sangheili will need new tech, so they create a trade with Humans, research what they have, build more, etc.
Most Jiralhanae will continue on with their civil wars, some exeptions doing otherwise.
Mgalekgolo will stick with their role models, the Sangheili.
Yan'me stay home.
Kig'yar become Pirates, hired guns, and merchants.
Grunts stay home or work elsewhere.
The remaining San'shyuum will (with the help of humans or sangheili (only two were evil)) will find a new Halo, find the Moniter, have the humans (while getting tech) ask him/her to clone the remaining San'shyuum, so they dont fall into extinction.

  • 02.16.2011 4:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Humanity quickly bounces back, we know that they've started recolonizing their old worlds by 2589. I don't know about whether it would happen in the near future, but I see Humanity and the Elites forming some sort of alliance, they'll definitely conduct trade and possibly share technology. Things certainly won't be all "happy ending, hugs, peace and love" to begin with. But I don't see war as an inevitable event, sure it might happen, but I'm thinking not.


Well, Elite-Human relations didn't seem all that great in The Return. The shipmaster didn't care if the human was dead or alive and treated him poorly. He also found something out about a monitor(we need a follow up story concerning this...) and became aggressive with the human, or so it was implied.

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Posted by: scene4kaos

Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob
With all these prequels, we'll never get to to the post-war!


As much as I agree with you, I'd still love to see a book series based on The Old Covenant and a videogame where you play as The Arbiter during The Grunt Rebellion.


Karen Traviss is writing three novels that take place post war.
Source?

  • 02.16.2011 4:31 PM PDT

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I think the UNSC has a solid chance to rebuild. The remaining Inner Colonies would be able to contribute large amounts of ship building industry and might to restore Earth and it's manufacturing areas.

The Portal contains large amounts of Forerunner artifacts. All ONI has to do is get one of the Spartan IIs who didn't make the augmentations and use them to open portions of the structure. From there knowing the familiarity of Humanity with Forerunner tech they could easily reverse engineer the tech and create much more efficient weaponry and ships.

One common misconception I find annoying is that there are only 200 million humans left. This is not the case.

In the Beasterium it only talks about Earth as that was the only human planet the Forerunners concerned themselves with. There are 200 million humans on Earth. We know there are still a dozen Inner Colonies the Covenant bypassed to get to Reach. If there are between 200 and 700 million humans on each colony Humanity's numbers are still in the billions.

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  • 02.16.2011 4:44 PM PDT

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the elites will pull through, their smart enough to eventually figure out how to fix their ships. They'll probably form tense trade alliances with the humans. The humans will likely suffer an economic depression due to lost resources in the war, but come back when they begin re-terraforming and populating glassed worlds. They will reverse engineer forerunner and covenant tech with the elite's help and rise once again as a galactic superpower. There will likely be a lot of remaining tension between the humans and sangheili, possibly resulting in a future war or arms race, although at this point the two species are two beat-up to even consider another conflict

  • 02.16.2011 4:51 PM PDT

Posted By: anton1792
They have also lost their afterlife belief. I wonder how that will affect their warrior culture. If nothing happens after death, will they be so willing to put their lives on the line? Let us face it, no Sangheili, in their mind, has ever truly faced death. They believed that they would die only to awaken in some bloody afterlife.


Actually the Elites still believe their old religion and the Great Journey, they just know that the Halo's are not the key as they once thought. They're a little lost for a direction to take their beliefs in because the Prophets are gone, but they still believe most of their religion.

  • 02.16.2011 5:05 PM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa
Humanity quickly bounces back, we know that they've started recolonizing their old worlds by 2589. I don't know about whether it would happen in the near future, but I see Humanity and the Elites forming some sort of alliance, they'll definitely conduct trade and possibly share technology. Things certainly won't be all "happy ending, hugs, peace and love" to begin with. But I don't see war as an inevitable event, sure it might happen, but I'm thinking not.


Well, Elite-Human relations didn't seem all that great in The Return. The shipmaster didn't care if the human was dead or alive and treated him poorly. He also found something out about a monitor(we need a follow up story concerning this...) and became aggressive with the human, or so it was implied.


The summary on Halopedian didn't seem to imply that. It said the Shipmaster was unconcerned with the human at first because he was almost dead, and then the Shipmaster changed his mind after seeing the documents or whatever and called for medical attention for the human, I haven't read the story yet though, so I only have the summary to go by, and those are never as good as the source itself.

  • 02.16.2011 5:08 PM PDT

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Posted By: anton1792
They have also lost their afterlife belief. I wonder how that will affect their warrior culture. If nothing happens after death, will they be so willing to put their lives on the line? Let us face it, no Sangheili, in their mind, has ever truly faced death. They believed that they would die only to awaken in some bloody afterlife.


Actually the Elites still believe their old religion and the Great Journey, they just know that the Halo's are not the key as they once thought. They're a little lost for a direction to take their beliefs in because the Prophets are gone, but they still believe most of their religion.


The Return implies otherwise. It's as if the entire species has lost their faith and are completely unsure of what to do with themselves. It'd be as if the Bible was actually 100% proven to be false. How many people would spiral into depression, those who wasted their lives following such strict life styles and going to church and all that. They have nothing to live for anymore.

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They have also lost their afterlife belief. I wonder how that will affect their warrior culture. If nothing happens after death, will they be so willing to put their lives on the line? Let us face it, no Sangheili, in their mind, has ever truly faced death. They believed that they would die only to awaken in some bloody afterlife.


Actually the Elites still believe their old religion and the Great Journey, they just know that the Halo's are not the key as they once thought. They're a little lost for a direction to take their beliefs in because the Prophets are gone, but they still believe most of their religion.


The Return implies otherwise. It's as if the entire species has lost their faith and are completely unsure of what to do with themselves. It'd be as if the Bible was actually 100% proven to be false. How many people would spiral into depression, those who wasted their lives following such strict life styles and going to church and all that. They have nothing to live for anymore.

That would be the biggest social change in man's history. So I presume that would have a disasterous effect on their society, and it could even cause civil war.

  • 02.16.2011 5:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
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Posted By: anton1792
They have also lost their afterlife belief. I wonder how that will affect their warrior culture. If nothing happens after death, will they be so willing to put their lives on the line? Let us face it, no Sangheili, in their mind, has ever truly faced death. They believed that they would die only to awaken in some bloody afterlife.

Actually the Elites still believe their old religion and the Great Journey, they just know that the Halo's are not the key as they once thought. They're a little lost for a direction to take their beliefs in because the Prophets are gone, but they still believe most of their religion.

The Return implies otherwise. It's as if the entire species has lost their faith and are completely unsure of what to do with themselves. It'd be as if the Bible was actually 100% proven to be false. How many people would spiral into depression, those who wasted their lives following such strict life styles and going to church and all that. They have nothing to live for anymore.

Also, once you lose a religion, it is nearly impossible to take up another one. Look at it from an absolute point of view. The Elites believe that the Forerunner are gods. Are they gods? No. Is there a Great Journey, or anything like it after death? No. It will be even harder if they find out the truth because they will know that the Forerunner were wiped out by the droves in the Flood War, and were not benevolent. Rather, they were arrogant and malicious. The complete opposite of what they like to imagine; That the Forerunner were benevolent and all powerful ascending to godhood to escape the Flood.

They have no hope.

Also, let us say they do find the Forerunner, or a Monitor. What next? Nothing. The Monitor will not respond to them to any great amount, as they are classed as Meddlers. The Forerunner... Well we all know from Cryptum the way in which they respond to hostility. In light of what the Sangheili have done to Humanity, they had better watch themselves.

  • 02.16.2011 5:29 PM PDT

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That would be the biggest social change in man's history. So I presume that would have a disasterous effect on their society, and it could even cause civil war.

Its happening right now though...

  • 02.16.2011 5:32 PM PDT

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