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Subject: Are Sangheili that Strong?

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Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC
Posted by: hadlermaster
Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC
Imagine if Halo Wars were canon, that would probably change the whole events of the other Halo games. The Elites would never have joined the Humans and the Grunts would probabaly rule the galaxy because they won't overestimate themselves.

Halo Wars is already canon.


What? And I suppose Halo: Legends is as well?

Posted by: Lyth Raparos
Halo: Wars wasn't even directly made by Bungie. Non-Canon.

Halo Wars is canon. As is Legends.

  • 02.18.2011 7:00 PM PDT

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be smaller then him! 1000G
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I catch your drift ;). Towards a marine, theyd go flying.

  • 02.18.2011 7:59 PM PDT

Anyone remember Thel nearly getting his head kicked in in the cole protocol?

Spartans are on par with elites.

  • 02.18.2011 9:05 PM PDT
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on a regular human? Probably break all ribs, damaging all important organs. So there's quite a bit of a mortality rate here

  • 02.18.2011 9:09 PM PDT


Posted by: keeno 111

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: keeno 111
There much stronger then humans, But alot of people over rate there strength.

A spartan could mow down a elite without to much trouble. I hate it when people compare them to spartans.

They deffinatly are not impossible for humans to kill, I'd take a big ODST any day of the week over a elite minor.

As for brutes that a whole diffrent story haha.


Elite's are as strong as a Spartan in MJOLNIR armor (which increases the user's strength)

They come from a high-gravity planet, meaning anywhere else, they appear much stronger.

So, no, a Spartan can not easily mow down an Elite. Minors or unskilled ones? Maybe. but that has nothing to do with strength.
What do you mean? I mow down elites with no trouble through the games. I read the books master chiefs been through thousands and same with many other spartan 2's you seem to overate there strength. Even in halo legends Fred defends himself against two elites with a little pissy combat knife.


So, Chief has fought, hand to hand, with EVERY elite he faces?

The answer = NO. Oh, fun fact, the two Elite hand-to-hand fights I can think off the top of my head, Chief had trouble fighting the elite. (Station in orbit over Reach, where he met Johnson, and the spec ops in the control room of the ship he stole after halo CE.)

Also, in that situation, Fred had two knives, and the one Elite left seeing as he and Fred were alive.

[Edited on 02.18.2011 9:17 PM PST]

  • 02.18.2011 9:16 PM PDT

whoa buddy, Elites are more superior then Spartans strength wise. Hand to hand combat wise i dont even know about that. Depends on the fighters i guess...

  • 02.18.2011 9:23 PM PDT

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The Marine's face would become non-existant. And yes, Sangheili are really that strong. John had trouble taking a cloaked minor Elite in hand-to-hand combat during Reach.

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Close to it, probably equal to a III though.

  • 02.18.2011 9:52 PM PDT

If an Elite and Spartan were just running at eachother and they punched eachother. Then Elites are stronger.

  • 02.18.2011 10:15 PM PDT

prozeyic

It would probably result in the shattering of the marines bones.

  • 02.19.2011 1:39 AM PDT

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elite = spartan II

halo wars = legit
legends = full of blam

  • 02.19.2011 3:23 AM PDT

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Dear god with you!

Elites, with or without their armor are nowhere near the strength of a SPARTAN-II in MJOLNIR.

The Elites combat skin/armor only gives them the shields.
But yes, they are really effing strong, but nowhere near the strength of a SPARTAN-II in MJOLNIR.

As for the Forge, his armor protected him. Yes, the punch did give him some "damage", but his armor took most of it.

Even if the strike didn't seem as powerful as you would expect, it's because it was a close hit, no time nor space to accelerate the fist to nice speeds. Also Elites hands must have some weight to them too... E(k)=1/2*M*V^2

And for the Marine, if an Elite, no matter the rank (One could master all the martial arts and be stronger than anyone, but would not have experience yet.), kicked him to chest, he would fly nicely, maybe 3m (~10'). No more. If an Elite punched him to chin, his face would become non-existent.

E: And about Chief having trouble in hand-to-hand combat with an Elite, it's because he had no experience with hand-to-hand combat with Elites before.

[Edited on 02.19.2011 4:45 AM PST]

  • 02.19.2011 4:01 AM PDT

Twice that I can think of, an Elite nearly overpowered John in hand to hand combat.

Elites and Spartans in MJOLNIR are nearly even. (Note how I say Spartans in MJOLNIR, because a Spartan II or III in that armor would, on average, be the same.)

Experience(Or lack thereof in facing a certain enemy) in hand to hand combat doesn't negate strength. Because they come from a high-gravity planet, whenever placed in a lower gravity situation (Earth, Reach, other planets...) they are naturally more agile and stronger then on their homeworld. Am I saying they are far stronger or more agile then a Spartan in MJOLNIR? Not really. Maybe slightly, but roughly the same strength.

  • 02.19.2011 4:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
The marines face would cave in, with the possibilty of the Elites fist coming out the other side of the skull.


This man wins.

  • 02.19.2011 4:18 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: keeno 111

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: keeno 111
There much stronger then humans, But alot of people over rate there strength.

A spartan could mow down a elite without to much trouble. I hate it when people compare them to spartans.

They deffinatly are not impossible for humans to kill, I'd take a big ODST any day of the week over a elite minor.

As for brutes that a whole diffrent story haha.


Elite's are as strong as a Spartan in MJOLNIR armor (which increases the user's strength)

They come from a high-gravity planet, meaning anywhere else, they appear much stronger.

So, no, a Spartan can not easily mow down an Elite. Minors or unskilled ones? Maybe. but that has nothing to do with strength.
What do you mean? I mow down elites with no trouble through the games. I read the books master chiefs been through thousands and same with many other spartan 2's you seem to overate there strength. Even in halo legends Fred defends himself against two elites with a little pissy combat knife.


So, Chief has fought, hand to hand, with EVERY elite he faces?

The answer = NO. Oh, fun fact, the two Elite hand-to-hand fights I can think off the top of my head, Chief had trouble fighting the elite. (Station in orbit over Reach, where he met Johnson, and the spec ops in the control room of the ship he stole after halo CE.)

Also, in that situation, Fred had two knives, and the one Elite left seeing as he and Fred were alive.


Excatly what I was going to say mate. What book was the Specops Elite fight in? Though a Sparatan in my eyes is not as strong as an Elite they could definetly put a good fight up against Brute or Elite in armour.

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Posted by: keeno 111

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: keeno 111
There much stronger then humans, But alot of people over rate there strength.

A spartan could mow down a elite without to much trouble. I hate it when people compare them to spartans.

They deffinatly are not impossible for humans to kill, I'd take a big ODST any day of the week over a elite minor.

As for brutes that a whole diffrent story haha.


Evidence please.

An Elite commando ripped the arm off from a spartan III in Halo evolutions.
You're pretty much proof that a elite is overated. I wonder how many thousands of elites that spartan killed before he became unlucky.


Ah,i asked for evidence but you failed again.Typical.

Do you even have a proof how many elites were killed by that spartan?
Speculation ain't proof buddy.

You say i overrate the elites,how about show some proof,like valid sources.

  • 02.19.2011 7:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: keeno 111

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: keeno 111
There much stronger then humans, But alot of people over rate there strength.

A spartan could mow down a elite without to much trouble. I hate it when people compare them to spartans.

They deffinatly are not impossible for humans to kill, I'd take a big ODST any day of the week over a elite minor.

As for brutes that a whole diffrent story haha.


Elite's are as strong as a Spartan in MJOLNIR armor (which increases the user's strength)

They come from a high-gravity planet, meaning anywhere else, they appear much stronger.

So, no, a Spartan can not easily mow down an Elite. Minors or unskilled ones? Maybe. but that has nothing to do with strength.
What do you mean? I mow down elites with no trouble through the games. I read the books master chiefs been through thousands and same with many other spartan 2's you seem to overate there strength. Even in halo legends Fred defends himself against two elites with a little pissy combat knife.


So, Chief has fought, hand to hand, with EVERY elite he faces?

The answer = NO. Oh, fun fact, the two Elite hand-to-hand fights I can think off the top of my head, Chief had trouble fighting the elite. (Station in orbit over Reach, where he met Johnson, and the spec ops in the control room of the ship he stole after halo CE.)

Also, in that situation, Fred had two knives, and the one Elite left seeing as he and Fred were alive.


Excatly what I was going to say mate. What book was the Specops Elite fight in? Though a Sparatan in my eyes is not as strong as an Elite they could definetly put a good fight up against Brute or Elite in armour.


Halo First strike on the bridge of the ascedant justice,that elite would have killed the chief if not were for the other humans who fired their AR's at that Elite.

  • 02.19.2011 7:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: FinFihlman
Dear god with you!

Elites, with or without their armor are nowhere near the strength of a SPARTAN-II in MJOLNIR.

The Elites combat skin/armor only gives them the shields.
But yes, they are really effing strong, but nowhere near the strength of a SPARTAN-II in MJOLNIR.

As for the Forge, his armor protected him. Yes, the punch did give him some "damage", but his armor took most of it.

Even if the strike didn't seem as powerful as you would expect, it's because it was a close hit, no time nor space to accelerate the fist to nice speeds. Also Elites hands must have some weight to them too... E(k)=1/2*M*V^2

And for the Marine, if an Elite, no matter the rank (One could master all the martial arts and be stronger than anyone, but would not have experience yet.), kicked him to chest, he would fly nicely, maybe 3m (~10'). No more. If an Elite punched him to chin, his face would become non-existent.

E: And about Chief having trouble in hand-to-hand combat with an Elite, it's because he had no experience with hand-to-hand combat with Elites before.


The chief does has experience with elites before the fall of reach,watch halo legends where he got his ass kicked by a major.

I want evidence that an elite hasn't the same strenght as a spartan.

  • 02.19.2011 7:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
I want evidence that an elite hasn't the same strenght as a spartan.

The weight of the Elites.
Their Encyclopedia page, armor section.
The Brute encyclopedia page, armor section.
The missile pod description.

I agree with what you say though. There is actually no evidence that they are weaker, just that they are equals. They are the same weight, same height and both get strength from their armor. They would be the same armored or unarmored as their weights are almost the same. Though I assume that the Elite's muscle fibers have evolved to be incredibly efficient like a Spartans, otherwise there is no reason as to why they should be any stronger than a Human. They weigh the same as an Olympic Bodybuilder.

  • 02.19.2011 9:39 AM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

Halo: Reach gives the perfect perspective on how the average human being would stack up.
Halo 2 gives the perfect perspective of how an Elite would stack up to a Spartan II.

Halo: Reach also shows the covenant as they were upon humanities first contact, violent, monstrous, and evil. They were basically like demons from your nightmares, they were (at that point) considered unstoppable and the general consensus was that humanities extinction was just an inevitability that the UNSC was only trying to slow down. This is why the ONI excavation site that Dr. Halsey worked on was so crucial, because it completely changed the dynamic and understanding of the Covenant.

Back on topic, yes, Sangheilis are immensely powerful compared to your average human being.

-n

[Edited on 02.19.2011 10:20 AM PST]

  • 02.19.2011 10:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: keeno 111
You all seem to bring up the little things where spartans had trouble with elites. Yet the fact over 3 games I Was kicking elite ass. There strong..stronger than spartans? ridiculous. Maybe as strong as a spartan 3, but 2's you're deluded have a good day.


It's true that there had been instances when spartans killed lot's of elites.But that was in a gun fight,the little exemples we gave were hand to hand fights.And there are skilled elites to fight a spartan in a gunfight like Thel.

And why do you use gameplay to prove your point?In that logic i can conclude that elites are stronger then sIII's and equal to sII's.

  • 02.19.2011 10:27 AM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: keeno 111
You all seem to bring up the little things where spartans had trouble with elites. Yet the fact over 3 games I Was kicking elite ass. There strong..stronger than spartans? ridiculous. Maybe as strong as a spartan 3, but 2's you're deluded have a good day.


It's true that there had been instances when spartans killed lot's of elites.But that was in a gun fight,the little exemples we gave were hand to hand fights.And there are skilled elites to fight a spartan in a gunfight like Thel.

And why do you use gameplay to prove your point?In that logic i can conclude that elites are stronger then sIII's and equal to sII's.


Some people will never understand that halo not being changed for gameplay would be inpossible, I do not want to get hit by one plasma shot when my sheilds are down :S We just have to put up with it hotshot XD

  • 02.19.2011 10:33 AM PDT