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In the book "Ghosts of Onyx" the spartan IIIs were not ready for combat until along time after Reach was destroyed but even then they were only 13 year olds could somebody explain to me if this is a hole i the story or did I misunderstand the book.

  • 02.17.2011 11:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: T RELL95
In the book "Ghosts of Onyx" the spartan IIIs were not ready for combat until along time after Reach was destroyed but even then they were only 13 year olds could somebody explain to me if this is a hole i the story or did I misunderstand the book.


Diffrent class of spartan 3s. All alphas and some older betas were ready to fight. However some betas and all gammas were not.

If they hadn't already been killed though

  • 02.17.2011 12:00 PM PDT

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thank you

  • 02.17.2011 12:01 PM PDT

well if they were alive they would be old enough

  • 02.17.2011 12:02 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

You clearly misunderstood the book. All Spartan III´s were around 12 - 13 years old when they were deployed unto those extreme high-risk ops. Maybe even younger.

Dosent matter, they were extremly deadly soldiers even at that age.

  • 02.17.2011 12:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
You clearly misunderstood the book. All Spartan III´s were around 12 - 13 years old when they were deployed unto those extreme high-risk ops. Maybe even younger.

Dosent matter, they were extremly deadly soldiers even at that age.

This. It doesn't matter how old they are. If they were deployed then they were ready to fight. They spent A LOT of money on these Spartans. They wouldn't waste it by rushing them into combat. You have to remember they've been training every single day since they were six years old.

  • 02.17.2011 12:24 PM PDT

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This. It doesn't matter how old they are. If they were deployed then they were ready to fight. They spent A LOT of money on these Spartans. They wouldn't waste it by rushing them into combat. You have to remember they've been training every single day since they were six years old.


Actually you've got to remember many spartans were used on suicide missions

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Posted by: HipiO7
You clearly misunderstood the book. All Spartan III´s were around 12 - 13 years old when they were deployed unto those extreme high-risk ops. Maybe even younger.

Dosent matter, they were extremly deadly soldiers even at that age.


It's no wonder why Spartan-IIIs are superior to Spartan-IIs in Mark V armor.

  • 02.17.2011 12:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
You clearly misunderstood the book. All Spartan III´s were around 12 - 13 years old when they were deployed unto those extreme high-risk ops. Maybe even younger.

Dosent matter, they were extremly deadly soldiers even at that age.


It's no wonder why Spartan-IIIs are superior to Spartan-IIs in Mark V armor.


What in KNEE-HELL are you talkin' about.

  • 02.17.2011 1:43 PM PDT

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there were different classes of spartan IIIs Ackerson started the SPARTAN III project not long after II was finished

  • 02.17.2011 2:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Pahat Pojat
Posted by: HipiO7
You clearly misunderstood the book. All Spartan III´s were around 12 - 13 years old when they were deployed unto those extreme high-risk ops. Maybe even younger.

Dosent matter, they were extremly deadly soldiers even at that age.


It's no wonder why Spartan-IIIs are superior to Spartan-IIs in Mark V armor.

what are you smoking no SPARTAN III is anywhere near as effective as a single SPARTAN II an entire battalion strength force of IIIs were required for a job that would take at least two squads of IIs

  • 02.17.2011 2:03 PM PDT

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  • 02.17.2011 2:14 PM PDT
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I was under the impression the S-IIs, due to a more specific and superior gene pool and MJOLNIR armor, were better (maybe not by a HUGE amount, but still more effective) than the S-IIIs. S-IIIs had crappy SPI armor (with the exception of Noble Team) and were chosen from a wider gene pool, making the candidates less ideal. Augmentations were the same (with the exception of the neural augmentations for S-IIIs), if not maybe better (at least in the way in which it was performed) for S-IIIs so that way these less ideal candidates could survive the augmentation process. At the end of the day, both kinds of Spartans are highly trained and augmented soldiers, with the only advantages being in whatever natural abilities the S-IIs have over the IIIs due to better genetics and also the MJOLNIR armor.

[Edited on 02.17.2011 2:24 PM PST]

  • 02.17.2011 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
You clearly misunderstood the book. All Spartan III´s were around 12 - 13 years old when they were deployed unto those extreme high-risk ops. Maybe even younger.

Dosent matter, they were extremly deadly soldiers even at that age.

This. It doesn't matter how old they are. If they were deployed then they were ready to fight. They spent A LOT of money on these Spartans. They wouldn't waste it by rushing them into combat. You have to remember they've been training every single day since they were six years old.
I understand that the spartans IIIs were still some of the greatest soldiers in the galaxy I am just confused why Emile and the other spartans in Reach were full grown adults

  • 02.18.2011 7:28 AM PDT


Posted by: T RELL95

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Posted by: HipiO7
You clearly misunderstood the book. All Spartan III´s were around 12 - 13 years old when they were deployed unto those extreme high-risk ops. Maybe even younger.

Dosent matter, they were extremly deadly soldiers even at that age.

This. It doesn't matter how old they are. If they were deployed then they were ready to fight. They spent A LOT of money on these Spartans. They wouldn't waste it by rushing them into combat. You have to remember they've been training every single day since they were six years old.
I understand that the spartans IIIs were still some of the greatest soldiers in the galaxy I am just confused why Emile and the other spartans in Reach were full grown adults


They were from the first class of Spartan III's which was started 20 yrs prior to the fall of Reach

  • 02.18.2011 7:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: T RELL95

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9

Posted by: HipiO7
You clearly misunderstood the book. All Spartan III´s were around 12 - 13 years old when they were deployed unto those extreme high-risk ops. Maybe even younger.

Dosent matter, they were extremly deadly soldiers even at that age.

This. It doesn't matter how old they are. If they were deployed then they were ready to fight. They spent A LOT of money on these Spartans. They wouldn't waste it by rushing them into combat. You have to remember they've been training every single day since they were six years old.
I understand that the spartans IIIs were still some of the greatest soldiers in the galaxy I am just confused why Emile and the other spartans in Reach were full grown adults


They were from the first class of Spartan III's which was started 20 yrs prior to the fall of Reach

Kat and Six are from Beta, the second class. (15 years before Reach)

  • 02.18.2011 8:05 AM PDT

Well the others were from Alpha(with the exception of Jorge of course)

  • 02.18.2011 8:33 AM PDT


Posted by: Pahat Pojat
Posted by: HipiO7
You clearly misunderstood the book. All Spartan III´s were around 12 - 13 years old when they were deployed unto those extreme high-risk ops. Maybe even younger.

Dosent matter, they were extremly deadly soldiers even at that age.


It's no wonder why Spartan-IIIs are superior to Spartan-IIs in Mark V armor.


Um... what gave you that impression?

Spartan III's can't even jump from orbit without a reentry unit. The MC would have done that without someone pushing him out. He woulda jumped out himself. lol.

And of all the SIII death's, Jorge's was the most epic. Not what he did, so much as his reasons for it.

  • 02.18.2011 9:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pahat Pojat
Posted by: HipiO7
You clearly misunderstood the book. All Spartan III´s were around 12 - 13 years old when they were deployed unto those extreme high-risk ops. Maybe even younger.

Dosent matter, they were extremly deadly soldiers even at that age.


It's no wonder why Spartan-IIIs are superior to Spartan-IIs in Mark V armor.


Um... what gave you that impression?

Spartan III's can't even jump from orbit without a reentry unit. The MC would have done that without someone pushing him out. He woulda jumped out himself. lol.

And of all the SIII death's, Jorge's was the most epic. Not what he did, so much as his reasons for it.

Jorge is a SPARTAN-II

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Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe

Posted by: Pahat Pojat
Posted by: HipiO7
You clearly misunderstood the book. All Spartan III´s were around 12 - 13 years old when they were deployed unto those extreme high-risk ops. Maybe even younger.

Dosent matter, they were extremly deadly soldiers even at that age.


It's no wonder why Spartan-IIIs are superior to Spartan-IIs in Mark V armor.


Um... what gave you that impression?

Spartan III's can't even jump from orbit without a reentry unit. The MC would have done that without someone pushing him out. He woulda jumped out himself. lol.

And of all the SIII death's, Jorge's was the most epic. Not what he did, so much as his reasons for it.


And Chief can? As far as I remember his free fall was only 2 kilometers and even then he wore Mark VI.

[Edited on 02.18.2011 9:53 AM PST]

  • 02.18.2011 9:49 AM PDT
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when jorge pushes six out of the corvette, where do you see the re-entry unit? is it on his back? i think it's safe to say being either a S-II or S-III doesn't give either the ability to jump from orbit more efficiently lol..such a retarded statement. they both badass. only advantages to a S-II are better genetics and better armor.

  • 02.18.2011 10:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pahat Pojat
Posted by: HipiO7
You clearly misunderstood the book. All Spartan III´s were around 12 - 13 years old when they were deployed unto those extreme high-risk ops. Maybe even younger.

Dosent matter, they were extremly deadly soldiers even at that age.


It's no wonder why Spartan-IIIs are superior to Spartan-IIs in Mark V armor.

what are you smoking no SPARTAN III is anywhere near as effective as a single SPARTAN II an entire battalion strength force of IIIs were required for a job that would take at least two squads of IIs


Noble 6 would have -blam!- up all spartan 2s apart from chief... There both in hyper vector... which means they are the best spartans...
Also while the spartan 3 gene pool was not as good as the spartan 2s, but there may have been a few spartans 3s whos genes were as good as or even better then spartan 2s. Here i'll try to explain.

Lets say the perfect or spartan 2 gene pool is 50-55 (these are just random numbers, nothing to do with actual cannon) and there are 100 of them of who have this gene... Thats fine and all

Now lets say the gene pool for spartan 3s is 10-95 (yet again just random numbers used as an example)Sure some may have 10, 34, 71 ect. But there may have been 5 or 6 who have 50-55, which is the perfect gene pool that spartans 2 have. Which means a few spartan 3s could have been just as good as spartan 2s in terms of gene. Im not just saying this to you but to everyone else who thinks no spartan 3 could be even or better then a spartan 2...

Also if i rember correctly the gamma class of spartan 3s had an extra drug put into them, allowing them to take more then any spartan 2 or spartan 3 alpha or beta class.

  • 02.18.2011 10:38 AM PDT
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Overall the augmentations were better for Spartan-IIIs due to advances in technology (medical) which also resulted having 0% casualty rate for them during the augmentations.

Just look at Emile (Alpha), Six (Beta) and Dante (Gamma) what they were able to do during their last moments while they were being practically dead.

Grace, Will and all Spartan-IIs who did die, died immediately from a lethal hit without them being able to put resistance. This is likely because Spartan-IIIs are somehow shown always being able to ignore pain likely because of their improved augmentations.

[Edited on 02.18.2011 10:51 AM PST]

  • 02.18.2011 10:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: manwith
Overall the augmentations were better for Spartan-IIIs due to advances in technology (medical) which also resulted having 0% casualty rate for them during the augmentations.


Not this -blam!- again.

Just look at Emile (Alpha), Six (Beta) and Dante (Gamma) what they were able to do during their last moments while they were being practically dead.

Emile - Stabbed in the stomach, yet continued fighting for all of five seconds? Yeah, A certain ODST(Baird) did that too, except, you know, he kept on fighting for hours after he was stabbed.

Six - His death was greatly exaggerated. No Spartan is going to kill a high ranking elite, just by shoving him with your shoulder. Everything about that scene was overplayed.

Dante - Gamma is the exception because they received a drug no other Spartan did, and it allowed them to fight even when they should've been dead, or in a coma.(Also, many spartan II's have done this before. Specifically Kelly and Kurt.)

Grace, Will and all Spartan-IIs who did die, died immediately from a lethal hit without them being able to put resistance. This is likely because Spartan-IIIs are somehow shown always being able to ignore pain likely because of their improved augmentations.

Grace - Cut by a bruteshot blade and hit by multiple explosions.

Will - OBLITERATED POINT BLANK BY A HUNTER'S CANON. There is no way ANYONE could've lived through that.

"All Spartan II's who did die, died from an immediate hit." - Did you just go full retard on me?

  • 02.18.2011 12:23 PM PDT

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Not this -blam!- again.

Posted by: manwith
Grace, Will and all Spartan-IIs who did die, died immediately from a lethal hit without them being able to put resistance. This is likely because Spartan-IIIs are somehow shown always being able to ignore pain likely because of their improved augmentations.


Posted by: privet caboose
"All Spartan II's who did die, died from an immediate hit." - Did you just go full retard on me?


Truth hurts.

  • 02.18.2011 1:20 PM PDT