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Subject: UNSC Aegis Fate - The Lost Frigate

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: switch 104 sv
On another note, the portal can actually send ships to more locations than just the Ark. We see that it sends the Chief to a location other than the Ark or Earth and there is also something mentioned by the Librarian in the terminals about it. I'll find it if necessary.


That was because the ark was damaged partway through the ship going through the portal. It shut down after half the ship left, causing the other half to drift in slipspace (I think) until it went back into normal space.

Or it could be that Mendicant Bias sent the Chief to the surviving Forerunner as proof of his attempt to undo his past wrongs.

"And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions.

But I would have my masters know that I have changed.

And you shall be my example."



[Edited on 02.18.2011 8:20 AM PST]

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
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Also, for the guy above me, it was the Shadow of Intent that carried the Dawn. It was also mentioned by R'tas during a radio comm during the Ark battle when he says "Let your Cannons roar!" He is referring to multiple Frigates, not just the Dawn. [/quote]
Again, there is no actual evidence here, just one line that you are interpreting. It is still mere speculation.[/quote]

Listen to R'tas during the Radio chatter in the downed Pelican on the Ark. You'll hear it. [/quote]
Does he mention the name Aegis Fate? Does he specifically say he is talking to a different ship than the Dawn? No. It is not proof. Using your logic you could say he was talking about any ship from the UNSC Home Fleet.[/quote]

That was during the battle above the ark,he said "cannons" and a frigate only has one MAC so there had to be 2 frigates.
Why would he be talking about a ship from the home fleet if that fleet wasn't even present at the ark.


Frigates have several point defense cannons too. And he could have been talking to the elite ships for that matter, they have plasma cannons.


They are called 50 mm point defense guns and not cannons.
And those plasma thing you say is called a plasma turret or plasma torpedo.

The "cannons" are the MAc's.

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
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Posted by: switch 104 sv
On another note, the portal can actually send ships to more locations than just the Ark. We see that it sends the Chief to a location other than the Ark or Earth and there is also something mentioned by the Librarian in the terminals about it. I'll find it if necessary.


That was because the ark was damaged partway through the ship going through the portal. It shut down after half the ship left, causing the other half to drift in slipspace (I think) until it went back into normal space.

Or it could be that Mendicant Bias sent the Chief to the surviving Forerunner as proof of his attempt to undo his past wrongs.

"And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions.

But I would have my masters know that I have changed.

And you shall be my example."



I pray it really is.

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  • 02.18.2011 8:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: The Seraphim
Also, for the guy above me, it was the Shadow of Intent that carried the Dawn. It was also mentioned by R'tas during a radio comm during the Ark battle when he says "Let your Cannons roar!" He is referring to multiple Frigates, not just the Dawn. [/quote]
Again, there is no actual evidence here, just one line that you are interpreting. It is still mere speculation.[/quote]

Listen to R'tas during the Radio chatter in the downed Pelican on the Ark. You'll hear it. [/quote]
Does he mention the name Aegis Fate? Does he specifically say he is talking to a different ship than the Dawn? No. It is not proof. Using your logic you could say he was talking about any ship from the UNSC Home Fleet.[/quote]

That was during the battle above the ark,he said "cannons" and a frigate only has one MAC so there had to be 2 frigates.
Why would he be talking about a ship from the home fleet if that fleet wasn't even present at the ark.


Frigates have several point defense cannons too. And he could have been talking to the elite ships for that matter, they have plasma cannons.


They are called 50 mm point defense guns and not cannons.
And those plasma thing you say is called a plasma turret or plasma torpedo.

The "cannons" are the MAc's.

Elites use embellished language all the time, referring to their weapons as "fire", "burn their mongrel hides" etc. You cannot read into an elite's reference to human weapons in the same way a human would. "Let your cannons roar" simply means fire your weapons. If you want to take it literally it would mean "let your numerous ballistic projectile weapons release an audible sound similar to that of an animal". But we know that this is not the case. "Cannons" being in the plural is not proof that Aegis Fate was at the Ark.

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: The Seraphim
Also, for the guy above me, it was the Shadow of Intent that carried the Dawn. It was also mentioned by R'tas during a radio comm during the Ark battle when he says "Let your Cannons roar!" He is referring to multiple Frigates, not just the Dawn. [/quote]
Again, there is no actual evidence here, just one line that you are interpreting. It is still mere speculation.[/quote]

Listen to R'tas during the Radio chatter in the downed Pelican on the Ark. You'll hear it. [/quote]
Does he mention the name Aegis Fate? Does he specifically say he is talking to a different ship than the Dawn? No. It is not proof. Using your logic you could say he was talking about any ship from the UNSC Home Fleet.[/quote]

That was during the battle above the ark,he said "cannons" and a frigate only has one MAC so there had to be 2 frigates.
Why would he be talking about a ship from the home fleet if that fleet wasn't even present at the ark.


Frigates have several point defense cannons too. And he could have been talking to the elite ships for that matter, they have plasma cannons.


They are called 50 mm point defense guns and not cannons.
And those plasma thing you say is called a plasma turret or plasma torpedo.

The "cannons" are the MAc's.

Elites use embellished language all the time, referring to their weapons as "fire", "burn their mongrel hides" etc. You cannot read into an elite's reference to human weapons in the same way a human would. "Let your cannons roar" simply means fire your weapons. If you want to take it literally it would mean "let your numerous ballistic projectile weapons release an audible sound similar to that of an animal". But we know that this is not the case. "Cannons" being in the plural is not proof that Aegis Fate was at the Ark.


Okay,could be,but there is no proof for either MAc's or other guns.It's most likely the MAC.

The other thing is that the aegis fate was on sandtrap,but i don't know if it's on the ark.

  • 02.18.2011 8:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
The other thing is that the aegis fate was on sandtrap,but i don't know if it's on the ark.

Firstly, nobody knows where sandtrap takes place. Secondly, as I said before, multiplayer maps are a questionable canon source. Aegis Fate is merely an easter egg for the observant player to make the map more interesting. There is no concrete evidence to suggest any other ship bar the Dawn went to the Ark.

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: hotshot revan II
The other thing is that the aegis fate was on sandtrap,but i don't know if it's on the ark.

Firstly, nobody knows where sandtrap takes place. Secondly, as I said before, multiplayer maps are a questionable canon source. Aegis Fate is merely an easter egg for the observant player to make the map more interesting. There is no concrete evidence to suggest any other ship bar the Dawn went to the Ark.


The maps are canon.

Quotes from opog's post:

How important is it for a new map to fit somewhere into the existing Halo storyline?

DM: In general, our philosophy is to build a map that's fun to play and looks great and find ways to weave it into the storyline afterwards.

LB: Sure, it's not super important that it fits into the current game's storyline, but it must be fictionally relevant. We want these locations to fit in with the universe, obviously. They might not be exactly where the current game is taking place, but they are in similar locations, or other parts of where the existing campaign is taking place. With the multiplayer maps we try to expand the universe and tell our own stories with each location.




GameSpy: Although multiplayer doesn't continue the story, it seems like each level has its own back-story. Is that your doing?

Joe Staten: My only real contribution to the design of the multiplayer maps was a little writing for their' UI descriptions and a lot of whining that they had too few cherry sniper-spots (yes, I'm one of those players). We all wanted to make sure the multiplayer maps were reminiscent of Halo 2 locales and, therefore, rooted in the single-player fiction, but the success of that effort is all the multiplayer team's doing.




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I still don't see that making the maps any more important canon-wise. Them trying to have the maps relevant to the universe just means that they are not going to make a map from WWII or the Death Star or something. The locations may exist but they have no real context to any story. I doubt we'll ever see a multiplayer map make its way into canon, however canon can and will inspire maps, for example the upcoming map-pack.

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
I still don't see that making the maps any more important canon-wise. Them trying to have the maps relevant to the universe just means that they are not going to make a map from WWII or the Death Star or something. The locations may exist but they have no real context to any story. I doubt we'll ever see a multiplayer map make its way into canon, however canon can and will inspire maps, for example the upcoming map-pack.


I do i love exploring those forerunner maps wondering what they are.The maps are still part of the universe as they say.
And didn't the guardian level appeared in origins?

  • 02.18.2011 8:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Halopedia has no sources. Do not trust it. Multiplayer maps are of questionable canonicity at best. Aegis Fate is no more than an easter egg for fans of detail.

There is more proof that Aegis Fate did not go to the Ark. Lord Hood was reluctant to allow one ship to follow through the portal. I don't believe there is any way he would weaken Earth's waning defences further by allowing another. Also remember that it was a Covenant Cruiser that carried the Dawn through the portal. There is no sign of Aegis Fate.

That article is written using unconfirmed sources and speculation. It is as reliable a fan-fic.

Now that that is out of the way:

Now if it was on the Ark, it would explain the name, "doomed to protect" Protect what? THE ARK!!! Also where else could the Aegis Fate go after entering the Portal? Its in a completely different galaxy! IT MUST BE THE ARK!
Firstly, the crew of AF would have no reason or obligation to protect the Ark or any of its remains. If they did hypothetically go through the portal and didn't escape back to Earth in time they would most likely make some sort of attempt at returning home, similar to Spirit of Fire did. Having said that AF would have been long gone by the time the portal closed, as far as I can remember anyway, Cortana says that getting to the Dawn was their last chance. AF would have left when they realised that everything was about to go BOOM!

On another note, the portal can actually send ships to more locations than just the Ark. We see that it sends the Chief to a location other than the Ark or Earth and there is also something mentioned by the Librarian in the terminals about it. I'll find it if necessary.

you just waisted so much time loads of frigates went through the ark

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: switch 104 sv
On another note, the portal can actually send ships to more locations than just the Ark. We see that it sends the Chief to a location other than the Ark or Earth and there is also something mentioned by the Librarian in the terminals about it. I'll find it if necessary.


That was because the ark was damaged partway through the ship going through the portal. It shut down after half the ship left, causing the other half to drift in slipspace (I think) until it went back into normal space.

Or it could be that Mendicant Bias sent the Chief to the surviving Forerunner as proof of his attempt to undo his past wrongs.

"And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions.

But I would have my masters know that I have changed.

And you shall be my example."



Perhaps, but I doubt you could redirect a slipspace portal after it was made precisely when half the ship is out <_<.

Though his actions of closing the control room doors after you go in, and holding halo together as you escape is pointing at he was doing stuff.

[Edited on 02.18.2011 8:58 AM PST]

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: switch 104 sv
On another note, the portal can actually send ships to more locations than just the Ark. We see that it sends the Chief to a location other than the Ark or Earth and there is also something mentioned by the Librarian in the terminals about it. I'll find it if necessary.


That was because the ark was damaged partway through the ship going through the portal. It shut down after half the ship left, causing the other half to drift in slipspace (I think) until it went back into normal space.

Or it could be that Mendicant Bias sent the Chief to the surviving Forerunner as proof of his attempt to undo his past wrongs.

"And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions.

But I would have my masters know that I have changed.

And you shall be my example."



Perhaps, but I doubt you could redirect a slipspace portal after it was made precisely when half the ship is out <_<.

Though his actions of closing the control room doors after you go in, and holding halo together as you escape is pointing at he was doing stuff.


Halo legends origins I shows it can.The portal sended 7 halos to different coordinates at the same time

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I think the Multiplayer maps themselves are canon. Just not the players' action on them.

If Aegis Fate wasn't on the Ark then why wasn't Forward Unto Dawn on Sandtrap instead of Aegis Fate?

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Posted by: manwith
I think the Multiplayer maps themselves are canon. Just not the players' action on them.

If Aegis Fate wasn't on the Ark then why wasn't Forward Unto Dawn on Sandtrap instead of Aegis Fate?


We don't know if sandtrap is on the ark or not.

  • 02.18.2011 9:37 AM PDT

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but could we all agree that the Aegis Fate is not anywhere near earth and is on a Forerunner planet/creation?

  • 02.18.2011 1:05 PM PDT

which frigate is that over the map in sandtrap???? could that be 1 of the ones u r looking 4?

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Posted by: ChiefofSpartans
which frigate is that over the map in sandtrap???? could that be 1 of the ones u r looking 4?



... did u even read any of this? Aegis Fate is the one on sandtrap and we are discussing whether its on the Ark or not and how it got there.

sorry if this sounds mean or aggressive

  • 02.18.2011 2:28 PM PDT


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Posted by: switch 104 sv
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Also, for the guy above me, it was the Shadow of Intent that carried the Dawn. It was also mentioned by R'tas during a radio comm during the Ark battle when he says "Let your Cannons roar!" He is referring to multiple Frigates, not just the Dawn.

Again, there is no actual evidence here, just one line that you are interpreting. It is still mere speculation.


Listen to R'tas during the Radio chatter in the downed Pelican on the Ark. You'll hear it.

Does he mention the name Aegis Fate? Does he specifically say he is talking to a different ship than the Dawn? No. It is not proof. Using your logic you could say he was talking about any ship from the UNSC Home Fleet.


No need to troll a comment. Try to understand that everything everyone, even you, are saying is speculation.

He uses the plural form of Cannon, which is Cannons, which is referring to the MAC Cannons. Since Frigates only have One MAC, it makes sense that he is talking to multiple ships.

[Edited on 02.18.2011 2:37 PM PST]

  • 02.18.2011 2:35 PM PDT

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so we can indeed infer that multiple Frigates came. Which probably includes Aegis Fate. I say to heck with it. The Aegis Fate is on the Ark! although... dang it... just convinced myself otherwise... Looking at sandtrap's enviroment we see desert, one similiar to The Ark level. Bungie was probably thinking this. However we see Forerunner ruins... or precuoser. Unknown ruins. Now why would they have ruins on a construction?

  • 02.18.2011 2:57 PM PDT

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IMO the Aegis Fate is on one of Te's moons, as Sandtrap is located on the same area that Sandbox is in. And in Sandbox you can see a planet in the background that is very similar to Te (the hunter home world), also, there was no planet near the Ark.


This reminds me of something I noticed and posted, but nobody ever really payed attention to it.

On Sandbox, you can see a ringed planet and there's also a sun with a distinctive space-cloud thing behind it. On Heretic, you can see both a ringed planet, a sandy planet, and a sun with the exact same distinctive space-cloud thingy. The map said that the Pious Inquisitor was part of Truths fleet, right? The fleet was heading for Earth (strangely using sub-light engines within the solar system instead of just arriving closely via slipspace). I'm not exactly sure though.

going back to provide futher evidence, i guess you could tat it is the same thing. Now truth's fleet went through the portal. and this is part of truth's fleet. That shows that this is near the ark (probably). Also in the level "halo" (in halo 3) you can see an artifical sun (yes artifical) so tat proves that the ark has a sun. !!! however the planet is throwing me off.

  • 02.18.2011 3:56 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Perhaps Sandtrap takes place on the Brute homeworld or a former Brute colony.
Maybe Joyous Exultation?

  • 02.18.2011 8:47 PM PDT


Posted by: EliteWrecker
Wait just a minute, how could the In Amber Clad go to the Ark if it splipspace jumped into the interior of High Charity and crashed in Halo 2?


Aegis Fate, not In Amber Clad.

  • 02.18.2011 9:22 PM PDT

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HOW DO YOU KNOW 3 FRIGATES WENT IN? UNSC SHIPS HAVE MORE THAN ONE CANNPN, HE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN REFEERING TO MAC CANNONS! HALOPEDIA IS A WIKIA, ANONE CAN CHANGE IT! SO WHERE IS YOUR ACTUAL SOURCE?

  • 02.18.2011 10:37 PM PDT

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ya he corrected me. I screwed up and put tat as the 3rd ship.

  • 02.19.2011 6:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: Multijirachi
HOW DO YOU KNOW 3 FRIGATES WENT IN? UNSC SHIPS HAVE MORE THAN ONE CANNPN, HE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN REFEERING TO MAC CANNONS! HALOPEDIA IS A WIKIA, ANONE CAN CHANGE IT! SO WHERE IS YOUR ACTUAL SOURCE?


well i think we alrdy established that they were referring to mac cannons. Frigates only have 1 mac cannon. Thus making it plural. If they were referring to something else, they would have said torpedoes or missiles, etc. So we do know more than one frigate went in the portal. All caps? how old r u, 5?

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