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Subject: Kat's death, lame, unexpected and w/o legitimate reason

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i would feel alot better about it if it was a beam rifle that shot Kat in the head rather a needle rifle,

cause the only way she could have died would have been w/o shields

so were all their shields down? from some sort of emp?
- then whyd the elavator work? or kats tacpad as well

cause that really didnt seem too clear to a lot of people, and another thing that doesnt make sense, if their shields were all down, when 6 and noble goback to shoot at the phantom taht shot through the hole in the ceiling or whatver, why doesnt that jacal just shoot 6 and noble in the head too?

the death really just didnt flow well, could have made it better imo, quick and effective, but really kinda unexpected,

like bungie could have at least given her a better death rite?

[Edited on 02.20.2011 4:41 PM PST]

  • 02.20.2011 3:16 PM PDT
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Meh, as long as you don't over think it then I think it's fine.

  • 02.20.2011 3:19 PM PDT

her shields were knocked out by the explosion and she was the last to put on her helmet so her shields were don still. as for getting shot in the head, she deserved it she drove me off a cliff in tip of the spear when i had the skull that restarts the mission on. -blam!-

  • 02.20.2011 3:23 PM PDT

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I used to have a thread-theory on this. Not about the shields part, but about the Covenant that shot Kat.

I said that Kat was killed by the Field Marshall. He was stalking your team throughout the whole campaign as in a revenge for killing his Zealot team back at Visigrad Relay. He's team is also responsible for the death of Emile, but Noble Six later kills him when heading for the MAC Gun. Bungie confirms him to be the Field Marshall, because in the Legendary Edition Commentary, they mention the Covenant that shot Kat as ''The Elite Commander'' which would be the Field Marshall.

And on the shields, I guess they were taken out by the EMP of the glassing, but that dosent explain how the elevators work nor Kat's TACPAD.

  • 02.20.2011 3:24 PM PDT

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Meh, as long as you don't over think it then I think it's fine.

^ I think thats a part of the problem tho

  • 02.20.2011 4:18 PM PDT

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  • 02.20.2011 4:20 PM PDT
Subject: Kat's death, lame, unexpected and w/o legitimate reason

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom.

I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.

  • 02.20.2011 4:23 PM PDT
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  • 02.20.2011 4:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: The Highwayman48
Meh, as long as you don't over think it then I think it's fine.

^ I think thats a part of the problem tho
For the average Joe Halo fan there absolutely no problem with Kat's death. For the hardcore fan you can think of theories (already posted in this thread) that explain it most of the time. Over thinking stuff just complicates things.

  • 02.20.2011 4:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom.

I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.
This is probably the most well explained theory on this I've heard. I agree completely with this guy.

  • 02.20.2011 4:30 PM PDT
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Lord, you'd hate Gundam. Major characters are roasted frequently over there, sometimes they haven't even outlived their plot relevance yet.

  • 02.20.2011 4:32 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


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The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: ajw34307
Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom.

I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.


Well put AJ.

I think the same about Kat's death. But imo, it was the best out of any of the games. Johnson's would have been better, but that typical, last moment death sentence ''Send me out... with a bang'', killed some of it's potential. I would have perfered Johnson's last words to have been ''Kick his ass''. Kat's death was quick and clean and incredibly effective. It hit home like few others.

  • 02.20.2011 4:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom.

I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.


Well put AJ.

I think the same about Kat's death. But imo, it was the best out of any of the games. Johnson's would have been better, but that typical, last moment death sentence ''Send me out... with a bang'', killed some of it's potential. I would have perfered Johnson's last words to have been ''Kick his ass''. Kat's death was quick and clean and incredibly effective. It hit home like few others.


Then the music took over with that beautiful artistic shot of Noble waiting for evac, overseeing the shattered ruins of New Alexandria whilst Carter cradles Kat's body. Definately the most powerful part of Reach.

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Lord, you'd hate Gundam. Major characters are roasted frequently over there, sometimes they haven't even outlived their plot relevance yet.


i know right major character shows up few eps later he dead

  • 02.20.2011 4:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom.

I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.


good theory, just wish they expressed that better in the scene, like it could have been leading up, still mainiting its unexpectedness, but there could have been small signs of kat saying like 'my sields r getting fried' b4 they went down the elevator

but what doesnt make sens still is why didnt the zelot or whoever had the needle rifle, just shoot everyone else down there, if they were all vulnerable, the guys prob got good accuracy if they could have hit kat from up there, and after kat was shot, the team kinda just stayed there w/ kats body for a sec giving supprt fire, and really the support fire coming from carter jun and emile was nothing to that phantom, they could have just hovered there and sniped them all rite?

  • 02.20.2011 4:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom.

I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.


good theory, just wish they expressed that better in the scene, like it could have been leading up, still mainiting its unexpectedness, but there could have been small signs of kat saying like 'my sields r getting fried' b4 they went down the elevator

but what doesnt make sens still is why didnt the zelot or whoever had the needle rifle, just shoot everyone else down there, if they were all vulnerable, the guys prob got good accuracy if they could have hit kat from up there, and after kat was shot, the team kinda just stayed there w/ kats body for a sec giving supprt fire, and really the support fire coming from carter jun and emile was nothing to that phantom, they could have just hovered there and sniped them all rite?


Perhaps the Field Marshall was intimidated by the Halo CE Pistol? :P

  • 02.20.2011 4:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Posted by: ajw34307
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Posted by: ajw34307
Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom.

I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.


good theory, just wish they expressed that better in the scene, like it could have been leading up, still mainiting its unexpectedness, but there could have been small signs of kat saying like 'my sields r getting fried' b4 they went down the elevator

but what doesnt make sens still is why didnt the zelot or whoever had the needle rifle, just shoot everyone else down there, if they were all vulnerable, the guys prob got good accuracy if they could have hit kat from up there, and after kat was shot, the team kinda just stayed there w/ kats body for a sec giving supprt fire, and really the support fire coming from carter jun and emile was nothing to that phantom, they could have just hovered there and sniped them all rite?


Perhaps the Field Marshall was intimidated by the Halo CE Pistol? :P


I thought the mo-cap animation of 6 shooting and looking at the empty magnum, then throwing it away and grabbing Kat was brilliant. Animation looked really well done.

Anyways, probably the Field Marshall did not have a clear shot on the rest of Noble. He wasnt just going to stand there while he had four sharpshooters shooting at him, especially Spartan's, it was obvious of him to bug out. He also probably thought that killing one of them would piss the rest off enough, getting revenge for his lost team back at Visgrad Relay.

Yes, I think to much into these things.

[Edited on 02.20.2011 5:04 PM PST]

  • 02.20.2011 4:59 PM PDT
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I killed him in the face!

I do agree it was the stupidest death of the group, but what is done is done.

  • 02.20.2011 5:01 PM PDT

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Her death was supposed to be a shock to mess with the player. The characters seemed so vulnerable after that, and you don't know when the next one will die.

The rest of Noble team wasn't in the open, they were under a covering when Kat was shot except for 6.

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  • 02.20.2011 5:18 PM PDT
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Kat just put on her helmet. Her shields were down.


Anyways, Kat's death is meaningful. I'm not sure why, but it cannot be a coincidence that she is the ONLY character to actually be seen dying on screen (Jorge teleports, Emile falls off screen, Noble 6's camera cuts away, Carter is inside the Pelican). There has to be a reason for it.

  • 02.20.2011 5:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
Kat's shields were taking constant bombardment from the radiation produced by the Covenant's glassing beams, 90 million roentgens is enough to kill an unprotected human in seconds. All of Noble Team were vulnerable, Kat was the unlucky one because of her lapse of situational awareness - too busy contemplating Holland's orders to notice the Field Marshall in the Phantom.

I believe Kat's death was the most meaningful one in Reach, it shows that no matter how much Spartans are propogated to be super-soldiers they are still very much human and death can snatch them away at any time.


Eh, honestly I'm not seeing a lapse of situational awareness here. The phantom was above and behind her, and the shot came through a hole going from the roof to the sub-level they were in.

  • 02.20.2011 5:56 PM PDT

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Spartans can deactivate her shields anytime they want. Kat wasnt expecting combat so her shields were down.

  • 02.20.2011 9:22 PM PDT

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  • 02.20.2011 9:28 PM PDT

Hers was the best out of all; I will elaborate on how I felt about it later, but I did want to say that is really hit me when Jun said something about missing Kat... that made me depressed and pissed at the same time.

  • 02.20.2011 10:51 PM PDT

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your a couple months late bro


yea i just realized i think i posted about kats death earlier, just forgot, just was thinking about it agian today

  • 02.20.2011 11:05 PM PDT

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