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Subject: Halo: Reach Brutes....What happened?
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Well, Elites that wield Energy Swords are mostly far more, adept at fighting and are more intelligent as, well, they've killed thousands of enemies to get the rank necessary to receive the honor of the sword.

It's like us, some of us get things from our parents like abilities and the likes, say, an olympic swimmer were to have sex with some random woman and gets her pregnant, the baby would be less likely to get the attributes from his parents.

But if it was with another swimmer, I think the baby would have a genetic predisposition to be of a more slim and athletic body instead of a regular body.


This is wrong. Although I do agree, some people can be genetically predisposed to certain body types (fat, thin, fit, muscular), it still plays no factor in what you are and are not good at. We have skills and talents today that were not considered, or even fathomed to be, skills 100, 500 years ago.

If two fit swimmers have a baby, that baby could turn out anyway. If that baby doesn't put down the chips and cake, that baby, when it grows up, is gonna fat, lazy, and most certainly, not an Olympic swimmer. It's all upbringing and environment.

Let's take Usze Taham as an example.

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Although Usze 'Taham was born into a respected merchant family in the state of 'Taham, he was fathered by Toha 'Sumai, one of the prominent swordfighters of this age. Toha mated with Usze's mother, a privilege granted by being a Swordsman, and Usze was raised by his mother and her husband.


I don't think Usze Taham is using a sword

Why isn't he using a sword? He has Sword DNA! Give that man a sword!

Oh wait...you need to PRACTICE to become a good swordsman. But if you have Sword DNA...you should be an instant God of the sword. So...if good swordsmanship is in their DNA then everyone has Sword DNA...then it's not special to use a sword. So then why do you need to be an aristocrat to use a sword if everyone has Sword DNA? Usze Taham doesn't look like an aristocrat, nor does his family seem like aristocracy...so then why was he born in the first place?

So...if only aristocrats can use swords...why does Thel Lodamee have a sword? It never says he is an aristocrat. What's going on? Was he trained to use a sword? I'm confused.

God in Heaven help me...

Lets look up the definition of Schlock. Lets take a moment to do that...and then think about what I just typed.

All done...lets move on.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Well I said "sword genes" was the crude way of putting it. You have to agree though that there are certain genes that would make one more suited to something, yes? That's my take on it anyway, that being a sword master for Elites is more than just wielding a sword, and thus why they would want a specific genetic set for one.


I do agree, there are some genetic dispositions, like body weight, height, etc, that could help to become a better sword wielder...but I refute the idea that Swordsmanship is in their genetic code. Why isn't ship piloting, or vegetable cutting, or cooking, or dancing, or singing also part of their DNA. Again...I agree on traits that can make skills easier/harder to learn...but I refute the idea that people have skills in DNA.

Posted by: OrderedComa
You are talking about the first time the game players have seen them right? Not the the Brute's first canon appearance?


I apologize, I was unclear about exactly what I meant to say.

Yes, I am talking about their first video game appearance...which was Halo 2.

Posted by: OrderedComa
I think they've looked cool in all their appearances. The two are not all that different looking, I think we'd have the same thing playing out as with the different sub-sets of Humanity. You know how like Asians would look very different from a European, but they're still both humans. The Reach Brutes are simply less hairy than the others we've seen and have a different shaped head.


I do like Halo 2 Brutes and I do like Halo 3/ODST/Wars Brutes.

And you raise a good point about different sub-species. But...between Asians and Europeans...there are tiny differences. Skin tone, hair color, etc.

Reach brutes look like a totally different species than Halo 3/ODST/Wars Brutes. Perhaps radical differences in appearance is possible...but from what we know of humanity, which is our only basis of comparison, and as Brutes look as close to humans as any Covenant species could hope to be, I think it's fair to make a conclusion, although a very debatable conclusion, that Reach Brutes are not a sub-species...but rather...a really poor job in recreating the Halo 3/ODST/Wars Brutes because Bungie wanted to make things look different to confuse us.


Posted by: mojeda101
What...?


That's a gorilla...not a Brute. (And don't say "they are the same thing" because we all know they are not, it's just a racist term...yes...calling them Gorialls is a racist term in context. I know...it strange saying not to be racist to a fictional species...but...real or fake, it says a lot about someone if they can use derogatory terms just because they don't like something.)

I dunno what you are trying to say here...but...try putting your idea in the form of words.



Now...I need to address something here...

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Besides Brutes just have their nightly village circle-jerk, were every Brute minor gives head to the local chief of the village.....cookie if you get the reference.


I needed to check what you meant by cookie, and after taking into consideration what you said, and checking Google...I must say you are one of the dumbest, and possibly, most sick humans alive.

Nobody is interested in the content matter to which you touch yourself at night to. Nobody is interested in your "cookie" hobby, or any other practice you engage in.

Go and make your sick jokes somewhere else. Because, that is rather disgusting, and not only is it unfounded, it makes you look VERY stupid.

If you have nothing intelligent to contribute, go away.

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  • 03.06.2011 12:29 PM PDT

"The Brutes...The Bastards who put bombs on your buddies and killed Millions of my people. Their diggin' and mighty big hole. Your going to tell me what their looking for, and your going to help me stop 'em."

This quote alone tells you their ways that could be similar, if not, worse than terrorists we suffer from today. Think of Brutes as the Insurrectionists. Both killed millions of their own kind all for no reasons. Brutes constantly and still do have civil war on their home world of Doisac. I admit, Brutes were once good, maybe even greater than Elites.

But once civil war broke out, the nuclear weapons were used and it ripped their technology and civilization apart. (Lol imagine a Brute in a suit XD) They were reduced to a primitive state. Thus why their weaponry is projectiles and not plasma based.(Brute Plasma Rifle does not count) The Brutes would simply had been the honor guard if the Covenant found them earlier.

They had armor to match the Elites 2 times armor. Weaponry similar to the Forerunner. But a civil war broke out and 90% of the population died. They lost their weaponry and armor, losing how to make it as well. Brutes had to go in battle with armor given from the Covenant.

Not helpful AT ALL. They still went in pretty much naked. Once the Covenant replaced the Elites for Brutes, the Brutes were given the armor the Elites once graced. They became the dominant species of the Covenant.

If your questioning why Brutes had armor in Halo Reach and Halo Wars, those were Brutes under a Prophet, not a Chieftain. A Prophet wants the best he can get for his troops so he gets them armor. A Chieftain can do nothing, thus the lack of armor.

Just to add, if the Covenant had found the Brutes in their peak, the Covenant would most likely had gotten annihilated. They were facing the Brutes when they were Tier 4, The Covenant is barely Tier 2. Your lucky the Brutes are in the Covenant at all.

Questions?

[Edited on 03.06.2011 1:00 PM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 12:58 PM PDT
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You are telling me things I know.

Yes, they kinda blew themselves up with nuclear weapons, and they kinda messed up their planet.

Yes, they can be mean.

Yes, they can be brutal.

I know all that.

But...doesn't everyone kinda serve under the Prophets? Like...does it make sense to send some of your soldiers in armed, and some of them under-equipped?

I don't think brutes lost most of their population. Doisac has an estimated population of 12 billion, and, as we do not know the exact time frame of when this nuclear war happened, it's tough to say how fast or how slow they advance.

They could be really smart, but also just very angry and emotional people.

Perhaps it is the Brute way? Intelligence can be associate to anger. Some of Humanities smartest minds were highly eccentric. Albert Einstein didn't like driving cars.

[Edited on 03.06.2011 1:13 PM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 1:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Naked Crook
You are telling me things I know.

Yes, they kinda blew themselves up with nuclear weapons, and they kinda messed up their planet.

Yes, they can be mean.

Yes, they can be brutal.

I know all that.

But...doesn't everyone kinda serve under the Prophets? Like...does it make sense to send some of your soldiers in armed, and some of them under-equipped?

I don't think brutes lost most of their population. Doisac has an estimated population of 12 billion, and, as we do not know the exact time frame of when this nuclear war happened, it's tough to say how fast or how slow they advance.

They could be really smart, but also just very angry and emotional people.


Look at it like this. You are either serving under the president or under your general. It's basically the same thing. The General can't get you things with a snap. A President can.

12 billion? That's it? I remember reading it was over 100 billion before the civil war.

  • 03.06.2011 1:11 PM PDT
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100 billion? Dude...where did you read that?

  • 03.06.2011 1:14 PM PDT

Posted by: Naked Crook
100 billion? Dude...where did you read that?


Does it matter? As you said you've never read any of the books.

  • 03.06.2011 1:18 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Looks like someone can't take a joke. I was just referencing a youtube video about Brutes, don't have to get all offended over it. -_-

  • 03.06.2011 1:25 PM PDT
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It does matter.

100 billion people on a planet would be totally unsustainable.

We can barely support the 6.77 billion on Earth, let alone 100 billion on a planet that may slightly larger than Earth.

Perhaps a war to bring numbers down was essential to survival of the race.

This does matter...and I wanna know where you read that.

  • 03.06.2011 1:25 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Naked Crook
100 billion? Dude...where did you read that?

Does it matter? As you said you've never read any of the books.

*Is interested*

  • 03.06.2011 1:26 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: mojeda101
"The Brutes...The Bastards who put bombs on your buddies and killed Millions of my people. Their diggin' and mighty big hole. Your going to tell me what their looking for, and your going to help me stop 'em."

This quote alone tells you their ways that could be similar, if not, worse than terrorists we suffer from today. Think of Brutes as the Insurrectionists. Both killed millions of their own kind all for no reasons. Brutes constantly and still do have civil war on their home world of Doisac. I admit, Brutes were once good, maybe even greater than Elites.

But once civil war broke out, the nuclear weapons were used and it ripped their technology and civilization apart. (Lol imagine a Brute in a suit XD) They were reduced to a primitive state. Thus why their weaponry is projectiles and not plasma based.(Brute Plasma Rifle does not count) The Brutes would simply had been the honor guard if the Covenant found them earlier.

They had armor to match the Elites 2 times armor. Weaponry similar to the Forerunner. But a civil war broke out and 90% of the population died. They lost their weaponry and armor, losing how to make it as well. Brutes had to go in battle with armor given from the Covenant.

Not helpful AT ALL. They still went in pretty much naked. Once the Covenant replaced the Elites for Brutes, the Brutes were given the armor the Elites once graced. They became the dominant species of the Covenant.

If your questioning why Brutes had armor in Halo Reach and Halo Wars, those were Brutes under a Prophet, not a Chieftain. A Prophet wants the best he can get for his troops so he gets them armor. A Chieftain can do nothing, thus the lack of armor.

Just to add, if the Covenant had found the Brutes in their peak, the Covenant would most likely had gotten annihilated. They were facing the Brutes when they were Tier 4, The Covenant is barely Tier 2. Your lucky the Brutes are in the Covenant at all.

Questions?


From what I understand the lowest the better when it comes to Tier, that's why Precursors are Tier 0 and Forerunner are Tier 1

  • 03.06.2011 1:28 PM PDT

Anton, Naked, the book is titled "Brute Force" You really can't find it on the internet, although you can if you go to your local book store. If you want to know its real look it up on Google, but be sure to have Halo in the title or else it will direct you to World War links.

And Naked. Your comparing the Brutes with us? Who's not to say they don't pollute? They were at Tier 4, Im sure they could develop things much more advances than we can. We are barely Tier 1. Brutes had some way to do it.

  • 03.06.2011 1:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Looks like someone can't take a joke. I was just referencing a youtube video about Brutes, don't have to get all offended over it. -_-


I can take a joke, but I like to think people have more class than to make jokes like you did.

Show some class.

  • 03.06.2011 1:30 PM PDT

From what I understand the lowest the better when it comes to Tier, that's why Precursors are Tier 0 and Forerunner are Tier 1

Your right, I was mistaken on that. Jesus was a fail read for me.

  • 03.06.2011 1:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: mojeda101
Anton, Naked, the book is titled "Brute Force" You really can't find it on the internet, although you can if you go to your local book store. If you want to know its real look it up on Google, but be sure to have Halo in the title or else it will direct you to World War links.

And Naked. Your comparing the Brutes with us? Who's not to say they don't pollute? They were at Tier 4, Im sure they could develop things much more advances than we can. We are barely Tier 1. Brutes had some way to do it.


I am gonna look into this.

I am gonna look for this book and see if I can find this.

If it is true, then I really have to question the intelligence of these writers.

100 billion people...there wouldn't be enough food, there would be mass cannibalization (and not once have we ever observed Brutes eating each other for food)

This would have a massive exponential multiplication effect, and the planet would just die.

If this is true, and this was accepted as canon, then the writers have no concept of the far reaching consequences of over-population.

THis is not listed on halopedian, and I am having difficulty finding more about this on google.

I may have to buy this book just to see.

  • 03.06.2011 1:38 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Naked Crook

Posted by: mojeda101
Anton, Naked, the book is titled "Brute Force" You really can't find it on the internet, although you can if you go to your local book store. If you want to know its real look it up on Google, but be sure to have Halo in the title or else it will direct you to World War links.

And Naked. Your comparing the Brutes with us? Who's not to say they don't pollute? They were at Tier 4, Im sure they could develop things much more advances than we can. We are barely Tier 1. Brutes had some way to do it.


I am gonna look into this.

I am gonna look for this book and see if I can find this.

If it is true, then I really have to question the intelligence of these writers.

100 billion people...there wouldn't be enough food, there would be mass cannibalization (and not once have we ever observed Brutes eating each other for food)

This would have a massive exponential multiplication effect, and the planet would just die.

If this is true, and this was accepted as canon, then the writers have no concept of the far reaching consequences of over-population.

THis is not listed on halopedian, and I am having difficulty finding more about this on google.

I may have to buy this book just to see.


Well, we've never seen the Brutes in their native planet (except for that shot in Halo: Legends) So there's the possibility that the Brutes serving under the Covenant are well fed, thus rendering cannibalism unnecessary. But perhaps the ones in Doisac resort to Cannibalism due to their barbaric nature.

On a side note, have you seen the resemblance between Brutes and Uruk-Ais?

  • 03.06.2011 1:48 PM PDT
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They kind do look like Uruk-Ais

But during the Covenant Era, their planet only had 12.5 Billion. That is sustainable based on the size of Doisac. So cannibalism...you could discount that at this point.

  • 03.06.2011 2:05 PM PDT

Posted by: Naked Crook
They kind do look like Uruk-Ais

But during the Covenant Era, their planet only had 12.5 Billion. That is sustainable based on the size of Doisac. So cannibalism...you could discount that at this point.


That is the population, AFTER the Civil war, I mean lets put it like a real senario on what the Department of Defense said in 1950. Population in 1950, 3.4 Billion. Cold war happens, Population in 1951 Around 300 million.

Wars lead to drastic changes, let alone in a Nuclear war.

  • 03.06.2011 2:08 PM PDT
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Dude...it's impossible for a planet to have a population of 100 billion.

how the hell did they multiply to those numbers?

Humanity by 2525 has only 40-some billion people across all of their space.

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  • 03.06.2011 2:11 PM PDT

Posted by: Naked Crook
Dude...it's impossible for a planet to have a population of 100 billion.

how the hell did they multiply to those numbers?

Humanity by 2525 has only 20 billion people across all of their space.


It's not impossible. Look at it in lets say Star Wars, Coruscant has over 1 trillion people. This is possible due to the layers of civilization. Putting that aside, it is said that Earth can indeed support 50 Billion said by demographics and Population experts. Although we would not be able to support food for all of them, We can't even support it for the 7 billion we have now. But we have more than enough land, let alone we don't even use the oceans.

Doisac is much like Earth, only slightly bigger and a much more rocky/magma type planet. This is due to the Civil War, if wasn't said in Brute Force how they lived, but if Humanity can support 50 billion, I'm sure it would be possible for the Brutes to be at 100, Doisac hardly has oceans that can compare with ours, which means more land for them, it all depends on how they managed to do it. Overpopulation? Who knows.

But it was possible.


[Edited on 03.06.2011 2:19 PM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 2:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: mojeda101
It's not impossible. Look at it in lets say Star Wars, Coruscant has over 1 trillion people. This is possible due to the layers of civilization. Putting that aside, it is said that Earth can indeed support 50 Billion said by demographics and Population experts. Although we would not be able to support food for all of them, We can't even support it for the 7 billion we have now. But we have more than enough land, let alone we don't even use the oceans.

Doisac is much like Earth, only slightly bigger and a much more rocky/magma type planet. This is due to the Civil War, if wasn't said in Brute Force how they lived, but if Humanity can support 50 billion, I'm sure it would be possible for the Brutes to be at 100, Doisac hardly has oceans that can compare with ours, which means more land for them, it all depends on how they managed to do it. Overpopulation? Who knows.

But it was possible.


Your argument has A LOT of holes in it.

1. Coruscant is a planet whose technology far surpassed Tier-4 Brutes.

We are at Tier-4 now...does Earth look like Coruscant? No.

2. Coruscant is a single planet in a galaxy wide federation of planets. They import possibly...A LOT of EVERYTHING.

Doisac...during tier-4...wasn't importing very much from other cultures.

3. Humanity by 2525 had multiple planets.

Tier-4 brutes had one planet.

4. Brutes didn't build underwater cities.

Again...we don't have that...and I doubt tier-4 Brutes had that either.

Dude...it's impossible.

[Edited on 03.06.2011 2:24 PM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 2:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Naked Crook
Posted by: mojeda101
It's not impossible. Look at it in lets say Star Wars, Coruscant has over 1 trillion people. This is possible due to the layers of civilization. Putting that aside, it is said that Earth can indeed support 50 Billion said by demographics and Population experts. Although we would not be able to support food for all of them, We can't even support it for the 7 billion we have now. But we have more than enough land, let alone we don't even use the oceans.

Doisac is much like Earth, only slightly bigger and a much more rocky/magma type planet. This is due to the Civil War, if wasn't said in Brute Force how they lived, but if Humanity can support 50 billion, I'm sure it would be possible for the Brutes to be at 100, Doisac hardly has oceans that can compare with ours, which means more land for them, it all depends on how they managed to do it. Overpopulation? Who knows.

But it was possible.


Your argument has A LOT of holes in it.

1. Coruscant is a planet whose technology far surpassed Tier-4 Brutes.

We are at Tier-4 now...does Earth look like Coruscant? No.

2. Coruscant is a single planet in a galaxy wide federation of planets. They import possibly...A LOT of EVERYTHING.

Doisac...during tier-4...wasn't importing very much from other cultures.

3. Humanity by 2525 had multiple planets.

Tier-4 brutes had one planet.

4. Brutes didn't build underwater cities.

Again...we don't have that...and I doubt tier-4 Brutes had that either.

Dude...it's impossible.


Whatever you say, i'd export more out of Brute fan, if you were, you would have known this. I for one am not talking about Humanity on other worlds, Earth alone can house 50 billion lives with such a small land area. Doisac, which is bigger has more land and less ocean, which means more land for the Brutes, Earth is 72% Water, Doisac is the opposite with around 72% land, Thats more than enough land for 150 billion! Although probably due to land of food and such, it was down at 100 billion.

Once a war came, it went down drastically to the 12 billion they have now.

Don't believe me if you must but go out and buy the book, it tells you A LOT about the Brutes. Trust me, for a Brute fan it is a must buy.

  • 03.06.2011 2:30 PM PDT
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I may buy it, just to see what it has to say.

But I am still very skeptical about 100 billion. You may be able to pack people on a planet, but for them to survive and thrive is another thing.

Brutes, based on size, possibly consume a lot of food to sustain themselves.

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  • 03.06.2011 2:35 PM PDT

Halo reach brutes suck we all know

Halo 3 brutes looked too much like elites and are stupid, but still very cool

and Halo 2 brutes RULE, those are the best, who can forget Tartarus?? he is so awesome best boss in the series


I agree.. Halo reach brutes seem to be there just to fill empty space

  • 03.06.2011 2:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Councilor_117H2
Halo reach brutes suck we all know

Halo 3 brutes looked too much like elites and are stupid, but still very cool

and Halo 2 brutes RULE, those are the best, who can forget Tartarus?? he is so awesome best boss in the series


I agree.. Halo reach brutes seem to be there just to fill empty space


I do like Halo 2 Brutes and Halo 3 Brutes, they both have their own appeal to them. I agree, Tartarus was pretty boss in terms of being a boss.

I don't look at their AI, just at what they look at.

  • 03.06.2011 2:57 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

I find it funny how Halo 2 was the only game on the series with bosses.

  • 03.06.2011 2:59 PM PDT