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Subject: Halo: Reach Brutes....What happened?


Posted by: Naked Crook

Posted by: ahaynes1990
But when you think Brute, your supposed to think evil, angry, dirty, killing machine.


This is no excuse for lazy and A-typical development on the part of the writers.

Posted by: ahaynes1990
Actually, I am more inclined to believe that an Elite would win a fist fight with a Brute. It isn't all about strength. The Brutes fight harder, not smarter, and the Elites would know just how to manipulate that to their advantage.


Sgt. Forge beat an Elite in physical combat. If he can, a Brute easily could in any number of ways, given their physical strength.

But...for all intents and purposes...you can call the Elites Noble...but I find nothing noble about mass murder...and deviancy in their mating practices. Yeah...I recently learned that "Aristocrats" are allowed to "rock it" with any female they want. An Aristocrat could walk to his neighbors house and steal his mate...all in the name of "sword genes"

What is an Aristocrat or Aristocracy?

"Aristocracy is a form of government in which a few of the most prominent citizens rule."

Basically...the best your society has to offer.

Theoretically, nothing is stopping an Aristocrat from mating with his own mother, aunt, niece, or daughter if he wanted to. This could actually be done with or without his knowledge. If the best Elite society can show me is deviancy in their mating practices? What am I supposed to say?

"Oh...you are such enlightened and sophisticated perverts"

Yep...Elites...making perversion cool since the 9th Age of Reclamation.

What is wrong with you people? Why do people glorify mass murder and strange mating behavior? Not only do the Elites actively degrade women, and other forms of life, they call themselves noble and honorable while they do it...and you people are like "We agree"...like you are robots just regurgitating schlock given to by substandard writers.

Here is a fact: Enlightened races can be just as brutal as primitive ones. Why has nobody admitted this? Not a single person who has defended the Elites has admitted to a single failing of their society, but are very quick to tear down what the Brutes are. This is a very disgusting double standard.

If only we could all be like the Elites, where we practice a sophisticated form of barbarism, and be considered the greatest thing on two legs.


Ok one, Forge killed him with a knife and cunning and two Ripa could have killed him with one blow but because he's a bit of a nutcase he wanted forge to go through a bit of punishment. And all you guys who say a Brute is heavier and stronger so he wins a fight: It's not all about strenght, speed reflexes and many other things come into play when fighting. Reach illistrates elites speed brilliantly as well, try and charge an Elite that's aware of you. He'll always get the first punch in. Now I know Brutes are stronger but Elites are still really strong. Strong enough to give a brute a dough-boy he'd not soon forget. Here's proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4l0sJqnIU8

The Brute can rush arby due to his wieght but arby can as hold himself against the second time around and easily dodge the BVrutes slow punches.

  • 02.25.2011 12:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: anton1792
Morals are relative. What we consider wierd is what we consider to be weird. It would be the same if an alien race were to look at us. They may find some of our concepts to be weird.


If only you knew how much I agree with this, your head would spin. I totally agree

Cultures have different practices. To us, some of them do seem weird.

I may have been a little over-zealous calling Elites sophisticated perverts...because...is it not the height of hubris to think that one culture is better than another? I was analyzing them too much from human perspective to see how Elites would quantify the morality of this. But still...an enlightened race should know there is no such thing as "sword genes". Its like saying "Oh...I got the messy writing gene". Anyone can write messy (or neat for that matter)...you just need to try and practice at it.

Brutes have some rather strange practices too. Like killing family. I think Tartarus killed Uncle Maccabeusbe cause Maccabeus was injured by a Warthog. My uncle broke his back once and I would never dream of killing him. But I guess Brutes do. Tartarus was mad that some of his friends died because of Maccabeus...I guess it was cumulative. I don't approve of this, but it is one of the few unique elements of their society, and in nature, a good element...from a story point of view.

I don't think anyone here would kill their uncle, but I guess as Anton says that "morals are relative", so it makes sense.

You could say its a constant power struggle for the Brutes, but I guess you could also read between the lines. Brutes happily die when a family member kills them, so there is no malice involved, perhaps just rampant emotions. So they are emotional creatures at least. Also, I guess it shows that the children or next generation is stronger than the parents or previous generation. This could be seen as a mark of pride...but as Anton also said:

Posted by: anton1792
Some are honorable and hold themselves to high standards, and others are simply charlatans, using religion as the loophole in their honor code to do whatever they please and practice pure cruelty.


This could also be the case with Brutes. We don't know for sure however, so don't quote me on this. (Someone may quote this line in a text block later...LOL)

Point is...Both Brutes and Elites have some pretty savage (by out standards) practices and we should be able to critque BOTH...and not just pick and choose. Who are we as people when we can just take two different cultures, compare them, and say one is better than the other, and depreciate the one we don't like because they are called Brutes...and the name implies mostly negative connotations.

  • 02.25.2011 12:08 PM PDT

I deffinatly think they finally got the brutes right in Reach. I thought that the introduction of the Brutes in Halo 2 was a welcomed change of pace, but when the Brutes were promoted to the main soldier of the prophets I wasn't that excited. Reach finally put the Brutes in their rightfull place, and that is cannon fodder and slaves to the Elites.

  • 02.25.2011 3:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: claponkillswich
I deffinatly think they finally got the brutes right in Reach. I thought that the introduction of the Brutes in Halo 2 was a welcomed change of pace, but when the Brutes were promoted to the main soldier of the prophets I wasn't that excited. Reach finally put the Brutes in their rightfull place, and that is cannon fodder and slaves to the Elites.


So are they slaves or equals? Some people say slaves, other people say equals. What's the deal with this? How come we are not on the same page with this?

  • 02.25.2011 3:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Naked Crook

Posted by: claponkillswich
I deffinatly think they finally got the brutes right in Reach. I thought that the introduction of the Brutes in Halo 2 was a welcomed change of pace, but when the Brutes were promoted to the main soldier of the prophets I wasn't that excited. Reach finally put the Brutes in their rightfull place, and that is cannon fodder and slaves to the Elites.


So are they slaves or equals? Some people say slaves, other people say equals. What's the deal with this? How come we are not on the same page with this?


He meant that Brutes are in the perfect rank among the Covenant, like the ODST's in the UNSC.

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Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Naked Crook

Posted by: claponkillswich
I deffinatly think they finally got the brutes right in Reach. I thought that the introduction of the Brutes in Halo 2 was a welcomed change of pace, but when the Brutes were promoted to the main soldier of the prophets I wasn't that excited. Reach finally put the Brutes in their rightfull place, and that is cannon fodder and slaves to the Elites.


So are they slaves or equals? Some people say slaves, other people say equals. What's the deal with this? How come we are not on the same page with this?


He meant that Brutes are in the perfect rank among the Covenant, like the ODST's in the UNSC.


Ohhhh gotchya!

Funny thing is...I like ODSTs more than Spartans...I guess I cheer for the underdogs.

  • 02.25.2011 4:04 PM PDT

But as soon as you try to glass the Elites for messing up... we will betray you. Count on it.

O.K. So, Your telling me that, in no way would the brutes rebel against the Covenant if the prophets decided to cut them from the group. No way, huh? Also, according to Anton, the Covenant were supposed to allow a race to join, instead of just killing them. The Grunts joined, the Hunters joined, but they never gave humanity a chance. It is the fact that the Prophets found out that the Forerunners thought Humanity was to carry the Mantle, that made the Covenant attack without mercy. They spread lies (which probably isn't anything new) and directed the Covenant towards Humanity. The Elites were the only race to find out about it (and do something). So, idolizing brutes is like idolizing the knights from the Crusades. They believed they were on a holy mission, just like the Covenant. They killed thousands in the name of Christianity. They were the brutes, being directed by the prophets back in Europe. The Brutes were just too stupid to do anything about it. I will give you this, the timing does seem improbable. But sometimes it takes a little bit of your own medicine to wake up. If you where the second in command to the King of England, and in charge of all the "honorable" duties, but one day found out that the King was only fighting for riches or wealth, wouldn't you do something about it. Now imagine that you were found out to have discovered the truth, and were sentenced to death. Wouldn't you try to do something?
The Prophets were masters of lies and deceit, probably deluded by their own lies, and had strung along the Elites the whole time. Then when the Elites wised up, they found an even more exploitable puppet to do their bidding. Enter the Brutes. Big, dumb, devastating in a fight. They were the perfect pawns. And they were pawns because they were good for one thing and one thing only: Fighting. In fact, I'm don't think the Elites would have lasted long anyway. No religious organization like that wants followers that will stop and think about what they are doing. The Brutes would never question the Prophets because they are stupid, even if they weren't so delighted to kill that they were blind to all else. In conclusion, the Elites were doomed from the beginning because they could do something the Brutes never could, think for themselves. So, by idolizing Brutes, you idolize big, stupid, thugs.

  • 02.25.2011 4:10 PM PDT

Posted by: Naked Crook
Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Naked Crook

Posted by: claponkillswich
I deffinatly think they finally got the brutes right in Reach. I thought that the introduction of the Brutes in Halo 2 was a welcomed change of pace, but when the Brutes were promoted to the main soldier of the prophets I wasn't that excited. Reach finally put the Brutes in their rightfull place, and that is cannon fodder and slaves to the Elites.


So are they slaves or equals? Some people say slaves, other people say equals. What's the deal with this? How come we are not on the same page with this?


He meant that Brutes are in the perfect rank among the Covenant, like the ODST's in the UNSC.


Ohhhh gotchya!

Funny thing is...I like ODSTs more than Spartans...I guess I cheer for the underdogs.


Heh, You remind me of Silva from "The Flood" read it, you will see where I can see it.

  • 02.25.2011 4:30 PM PDT

... I would be damned if I ever considered mass murderers acceptable allies.

Naked, You seem to forget that after the events of Halo 2, the Brutes became the ones directly involved in the killing of humans. Religion will never be an excuse for anything. Yes the Elites killed people, but so did the brutes. Your acting like the Brutes didn't kill anybody. The brutes blindly followed their religion. If you accept that as an excuse for any actions, you are saying that the Crusades, hell 9/11, was justified. The knights of the Crusades were just following their religion. The terrorists on the plane were following their religion. Does that mean that if I go to my nearest day care center, start shooting toddlers, and say "My Paster told me to do it" that it makes that ok. Because it sure sounds that way to me.

  • 02.25.2011 4:36 PM PDT


Posted by: Naked Crook

What is wrong with you people? Why do people glorify mass murder and strange mating behavior? Not only do the Elites actively degrade women, and other forms of life, they call themselves noble and honorable while they do it...


For one, "for Honor" is no reason for anything. But it is better than fighting just to fight. As for glorifying mass murder, that kind of sounds like what you are doing with the Brutes. Your just as bad as the people you criticize. I will be the first to admit: The Elites were mass murders, and nothing can change that fact. But the Brutes were bloodthirsty savages that used religion to reinforce their need for bloodshed.

When you talk about their mating habits, think about this: they aren't human. I know you realize this by now, I'm just reminding you.

BTW, You can't call the Elites mass murderers without being able to call Americans mass murderers. Remember the Native Americans. We killed thousands of them for little to no reason.

  • 02.25.2011 4:50 PM PDT
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@ahaynes1990

You raise some very good points, and you are right about some of them. But I do see the Brutes as the lesser of two evils compared to Elites.

Yes, the Brutes killed Humans. Yes they did, and I would be dumb to deny this.

But Elites killed in far greater numbers. I hate to devalue life by quantify death and saying Elites killing X amount of humans and Brutes killing Y amount of humans is any less or worse if X > Y, but from a number sense...Elites killed more people. They commanded the ships, they gave the order to fire.

Both are guilty of murder...but one is the lesser of two evils. This is overlooked it seems.

The prophets were master liars...and a lot of people fell for their trickery. The only sad part about it was the fact the Brutes had more of a zealous nature and they were easy targets as such. By comparison to Elites, they were a child race. You cannot fault a child for being deceived by their parents can you? For the many years the Elites were in the Covenant compared to the decades the brutes were, to say the Elites were suspicious from the get-go of the Covenant...that's a longshot. They may have grown suspicious as they evolved as a race. Given the same chance, any species can enlighten and become autonomous. Not enough credit is given to the Brutes given their current status and level as a species.

Brutes were a zealous race, and thus, easily taken advantage of. Nobody should deny this, but having a zealous and faithful nature is not a bad thing. It just shows they were taken advantage of by the right lies. Anyone with the right lie can take advantage of you. This doesn't say that Brutes are dumb and brainless, it is just their nature to be zealous.

  • 02.25.2011 5:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Naked Crook
@ahaynes1990

You raise some very good points, and you are right about some of them. But I do see the Brutes as the lesser of two evils compared to Elites.

Yes, the Brutes killed Humans. Yes they did, and I would be dumb to deny this.

But Elites killed in far greater numbers. I hate to devalue life by quantify death and saying Elites killing X amount of humans and Brutes killing Y amount of humans is any less or worse if X > Y, but from a number sense...Elites killed more people. They commanded the ships, they gave the order to fire.

Both are guilty of murder...but one is the lesser of two evils. This is overlooked it seems.

The prophets were master liars...and a lot of people fell for their trickery. The only sad part about it was the fact the Brutes had more of a zealous nature and they were easy targets as such. By comparison to Elites, they were a child race. You cannot fault a child for being deceived by their parents can you? For the many years the Elites were in the Covenant compared to the decades the brutes were, to say the Elites were suspicious from the get-go of the Covenant...that's a longshot. They may have grown suspicious as they evolved as a race. Given the same chance, any species can enlighten and become autonomous. Not enough credit is given to the Brutes given their current status and level as a species.

Brutes were a zealous race, and thus, easily taken advantage of. Nobody should deny this, but having a zealous and faithful nature is not a bad thing. It just shows they were taken advantage of by the right lies. Anyone with the right lie can take advantage of you. This doesn't say that Brutes are dumb and brainless, it is just their nature to be zealous.


You just don't seem to get it, Crook, you can't say either Brutes or Elites killed more, because there's no way to measure it. Yes Elites were Shipmasters and such, but so were the Brutes, the Brutes were the societal equals to Elites, the only positions the Brutes did not hold that Elites did were seats on the Council and positions in the Honor Guard, at least until Halo 2.

And the Brutes are a thousand times worse than the Elites ever were. The things Brutes did to prisoners would constitute as war crimes, the worst the Elites did during the war was glassing.

And the Brutes have not been in the Covenant for only decades, they've been there for at least a hundred years. See the Brutes are not like children, what they are is religious fanatics. They were lied to, yes, but that is not what kept them in the Covenant, when confronted with the Prophets lies they refused to accept that they had been lied to. They refused to hear any dissent because they refused to question anything about the Covenant religion, not because of the Prophets or any of their lies, but because the Brutes are like any religious zealot and will hear no wrong about their beliefs because they are convinced of their own superiority and are arrogant beyond belief.

  • 02.26.2011 4:48 PM PDT
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I can easily say Elites killed more people than Brutes. I can say this without falter or second thought. War crimes can easily be quantified.

I am pretty sure...we could estimate a neighborhood number at how may people each race, between Brutes and Elites, was directly responsible for killing.

Here is another way of thinking about it. And...this example is quite morbid...but it applies:

If there was a counter, at how many people two different individuals could kill, and one person was armed with handguns and the other was armed with weapons of mass destruction...I am pretty sure...the person with the Weapons of Mass Destruction would kill more people.

Elites were using Weapons of Mass Destruction, in the form of their excavation lasers, to kill massive populations. The Brutes, they are pretty savage, and they are pretty brutal in their methods...but I don't think they can compare to te destructive power of a warlike race with weapons of mass destruction.

If I had a choice, and I had to choose, I would rather pick a race guilty of torture as opposed to one who recklessly utilizes weapons of mass destruction as tools of first resort.

(speaking of Elites and Excavation lasers...it is not very honorable to kill people without letting your victims see the faces of their killers...just saying)

  • 02.26.2011 9:22 PM PDT

Posted by: Naked Crook
I can easily say Elites killed more people than Brutes. I can say this without falter or second thought. War crimes can easily be quantified.

I am pretty sure...we could estimate a neighborhood number at how may people each race, between Brutes and Elites, was directly responsible for killing.

Here is another way of thinking about it. And...this example is quite morbid...but it applies:

If there was a counter, at how many people two different individuals could kill, and one person was armed with handguns and the other was armed with weapons of mass destruction...I am pretty sure...the person with the Weapons of Mass Destruction would kill more people.

Elites were using Weapons of Mass Destruction, in the form of their excavation lasers, to kill massive populations. The Brutes, they are pretty savage, and they are pretty brutal in their methods...but I don't think they can compare to te destructive power of a warlike race with weapons of mass destruction.

If I had a choice, and I had to choose, I would rather pick a race guilty of torture as opposed to one who recklessly utilizes weapons of mass destruction as tools of first resort.

(speaking of Elites and Excavation lasers...it is not very honorable to kill people without letting your victims see the faces of their killers...just saying)


So you would rather fight without a species that can utterly destroy the Covenant?

  • 02.26.2011 9:42 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Naked Crook
If I had a choice, and I had to choose, I would rather pick a race guilty of torture as opposed to one who recklessly utilizes weapons of mass destruction as tools of first resort.

What about the intent though? If positions were exchanged, it is quite probable that the Brutes would have the higher numbers of deaths on their hands. That is all I really think about, the intent of each, that was ultimately done through being misguided and through fear of religion.

It just so happens that the Elites found themselves with the means to kill millions. If the Brutes had the means, I imagine the opposite would be true for each.

Posted by: Naked Crook
(speaking of Elites and Excavation lasers...it is not very honorable to kill people without letting your victims see the faces of their killers...just saying)

Yeah. They also do not believe in the slaughter of unarmed non-combatants. It is classified as non legitimate combat and does not merit a promotion. Yet...

Anyone who says the Elites are a better society are indeed talking out their arses. Although you cannot really compare cultures, you can certainly, I think, critique one that does not act the way it says it does.

Really, I am going to say what I have really thought ever since reading the Cole Protocol. It was in that book where the Elite sense of honor was introduced, and it really put me off them. The Elites are certainly not the paragons of civilization or culture despite what the fanboys think. One said that the use of active camouflage is dishonorable and cowardly when he saw Spartans use it (Evolutions: Headhunters). Yet it is okay for them to use it when it suits them.

"Fearless warriors" who will charge into battle for what they believe in, but yet require a cannon fodder infantry class. Grunts are used to exhaust their enemies, clear out defenses, then the Elites move in. Really, I think the Elites should be doing that themselves if they claim to be what they say they are.

Truthfully, I question anybody who says that they are truly fearless of death who has such a strong religious belief, because they are not really facing death. The Elites when they die, in thier mind, do not face Final Death or its possibility. They believe in an afterlife. If they believed that they could quite possibly cease to exist upon death then they could be considered truly fearless I think.

For them to consider glassing Doisac after the Schism is the height of hypocrisy in my opinion, considering what they have spent their recent 20 years doing.

The "Moral Relativism" does not work because they say to be one thing but are not. They are going against their own morals. The way I reconcile it is that, like I said before, some are charlatans but others do hold themselves to higher standards, perhaps like Rtas. People who say that they are flawless and better than Humanity as a society are morons.

  • 02.26.2011 10:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: mojeda101
So you would rather fight without a species that can utterly destroy the Covenant?


I am using the word PICK in the broadest sense, as if I were pick who was worst and who is the lesser of two evils.

I am more practical in my analysis...I like to see more than just what I am told about these races. I like to evaluate and quantify them on more...deeper and spiritual levels with what we do know to try and explore the soul so to speak. I like to analyze and contrast more than just military aspects between the two.

Seems kinda weird...but analytical exploration has always been a hobby of mine. I like things to be complex and complicated.

  • 02.26.2011 10:44 PM PDT


Posted by: Naked Crook
I can easily say Elites killed more people than Brutes. I can say this without falter or second thought. War crimes can easily be quantified.

I am pretty sure...we could estimate a neighborhood number at how may people each race, between Brutes and Elites, was directly responsible for killing.

Here is another way of thinking about it. And...this example is quite morbid...but it applies:

If there was a counter, at how many people two different individuals could kill, and one person was armed with handguns and the other was armed with weapons of mass destruction...I am pretty sure...the person with the Weapons of Mass Destruction would kill more people.

Elites were using Weapons of Mass Destruction, in the form of their excavation lasers, to kill massive populations. The Brutes, they are pretty savage, and they are pretty brutal in their methods...but I don't think they can compare to te destructive power of a warlike race with weapons of mass destruction.

If I had a choice, and I had to choose, I would rather pick a race guilty of torture as opposed to one who recklessly utilizes weapons of mass destruction as tools of first resort.

(speaking of Elites and Excavation lasers...it is not very honorable to kill people without letting your victims see the faces of their killers...just saying)


*sigh* And you STILL don't get it!!! The Brutes had their own ships as well as the Elites, if you don't believe me read Contact Harvest, you can't say one is worse than other in regards to numbers killed because both participated in the glassing of Human worlds! The Brutes used glassing beams just as much as the Elites because they both had control of ships. And the Covenant almost never used Glassing as their first option, they usually invaded whatever the Human colony was and used Glassing once whatever ground fighting was done.

Have fun getting brutalized and dying a slow painful death then, Brutes delight in savagery, Elites, I can't say how often they take prisoners, but at the hands of an Elite you will die a quick and relatively painless death if they execute you. They respected Humans enough to give them the sort of death they would give one of their own kind, and execution by Energy Sword.

  • 02.27.2011 10:52 AM PDT
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Yes...I know about Maccabeus having a ship. But that ship was also stripped down. It didn't even have an engineer. How can a so severly under-equipped vessel compete with a fully armed one in terms of killing power?

I can say, that up until the Schism, a majority of the Covenant was controlled by Elites. This is a numbers a game. It is an established precedent that Brutes (almost) never had Engineers on their ships and they were given undermanned and under equipped ships as seen by the Maccabeus case. We don't know exact numbers...but...I found this on Halopedia

Throughout the majority of the Covenant Civil War or commonly known as the "Great Schism," (as referred to by the Covenant Separatists) the Covenant Military was violently splintered between the Covenant Loyalists, who continued to believe in the Prophet's wisdom and the Covenant Separatists, who followed the Arbiter against them. As the battle raged, the High Prophet of Truth formally transferred command of the Covenant Navy to the Jiralhanae, a position once exclusively held by the Sangheili. The Covenant Separatists wiped out the primary Loyalist fleet at the Battle of Installation 00.

lets get more precise

As the battle raged, the High Prophet of Truth formally transferred command of the Covenant Navy to the Jiralhanae, a position once exclusively held by the Sangheili.

lets get even more precise

a position once exclusively held by the Sangheili.

Now...as far as the military in general is concerned...I'm not an expert. I am not an expert in planetary invasions either. However...I do have several PhDs in common sense. I am pretty sure...exclusively is synonymous to monopoly...and a monopoly is when a single group holds full control of something.

But taking into account Maccabeus had a ship, than it can be inferred other Brutes had ships, but they were not the majority. Maccabeus was ONE OF THE FEW who had a ship. It stands to reason, the Elites AT LEAST had almost FULL control while the Brutes had almost NO control.

If the Elites hold almost full control of the Navy, than it stands to reason, that another group with limited control, could never do as much damage.

With:

-Undermanned ships
-under equipped ships
-fewer numbers

How, in the name of God, were the Brutes able to kill AS MANY people as the Elites? I can think of three reason:

1. Elites are VERY lazy
2. Elites are terribly ineffective and ineffeciant soldiers
3. You are full of it and you are wrong.

Elites do not strike me as lazy, ineffective, or, inefficient. This leaves one answer...and that answer is...

You are full of it...and you are wrong.

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Now...you call Brutes savage...ok...

They torture people? Alright...

We know this guy tortured James Ackerson for some reason.

We can surmise Gravemind tortured Cortana in some way...as Cortana looked weird...and she was acting weird...possible mental stress.

The Elites were also guilty of torture:

Keyes was taken aboard the Co venant CCS-Class Battlecruiser, the Truth and Reconciliation. There, he was interrogated, tortured, and held prisoner until the Master Chief, the ODSTs, and a group of Marines were able to rescue him with the help of Cortana.

I didn't see any brutes on the Truth and Reconciliation...did you?

Then there was Reth

When Reth was believed to be a rebel, 'Vadamee, Zhar, Saal, and Veer kidnapped him from The Redoubt for information. Saal then tortured him, refusing to believe that he was following the orders of the Hierarchs since they were under conflicting orders.

and the Elites do not torture people?

Did you know you're stupid?

Look at poor Noble 6. Although I am glad he is now feeding the worms, I am pretty sure he was shot 40 times, ganged up on by several Elites, and stabbed several times. This looked pretty painful.

In Halo 3...in the first level, a Marine was being held captive by a Brute. It was that part where the brute was standing on a log, and he was holding the marine by the neck. The brute killed the Marine with a single punch to the face. Now...I am not a medical doctor, nor am I an expert in medical science...but it is my understanding that if you are hit hard enough in the face, it can break the noes cartilage. If the cartilage is pushed into the brain, you are instantly, and painlessly, killed. I surmise this happened to the Marine.

From what I can tell...Brutes seem more merciful than Elites...

[Edited on 02.27.2011 11:50 AM PST]

  • 02.27.2011 11:42 AM PDT

Brutes kill fast and easy.

Those Elites you witnessed in Noble 6 were far more honorable than you think. You never witnessed them shoot him after the screen went dark, as if you notice, they threw their rifles and reverted to their daggers and swords. You can't assume that they continued to stab. One thing is, what you see at the very end, the sword, left handed.

Only the Arbiter's have the ability to hold the sword with their left hand. There was most likely a much more honorable death in which the Arbiter does it himself, he calls them off and he does him off, short and simple. I am not talking about Thel, he wasn't Arbiter at the time.

Cook, why don't you watch this.

Covenant

Watch the Brute scenes and hear what the announcer says, "Brutes are subject to abject horror."

That gives you an idea of Brutes being Savages, if you keep going they talk about Elites and their Horror as well, although not as much, just listen.

[Edited on 02.27.2011 12:12 PM PST]

  • 02.27.2011 12:04 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: mojeda101
Only the Arbiter's have the ability to hold the sword with their left hand. There was most likely a much more honorable death in which the Arbiter does it himself, he calls them off and he does him off, short and simple. I am not talking about Thel, he wasn't Arbiter at the time.

Rtas is left handed.
Rtas is not an Arbiter.

Where has this "Left hand implies Arbiter" idea come from?

Posted by: mojeda101
if you keep going they talk about Elites and their Horror as well, although not as much, just listen.

To be honest I did not hear anything about the Elites honor being mentioned in that video.

I also think that the Elites that killed 6 were disgraceful. A lone wounded, unarmed Spartan being swarmed by Elites acting like no less than dogs.

@Naked Crook

Whilst the Elites killed more due to having more ships, and the Brutes less due to having less ships, they both had the same intentions in mind. The Brutes would have killed more than the Elites had they had the ships.

  • 02.27.2011 12:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: mojeda101
Those Elites you witnessed in Noble 6 were far more honorable than you think. You never witnessed them shoot him after the screen went dark, as if you notice, they threw their rifles and reverted to their daggers and swords. You can't assume that they continued to stab. One thing is, what you see at the very end, the sword, left handed.


I decided to consult three experts in the field of filmography; Director Quentin Tarantino, Director Michael Bay, and Director Martin Scorsese and we have come to the conclusion that in the follow scene, at time index 5:42, there is, in fact, shooting. You can see Elites shooting Noble 6, and executing him like a dog.

You guys call Brutes savage, but Humans and Elites are just as savage, yet you marginalize them because...they look mean. This has been said in previous posts. That's not a very nice thing to do. There is a word for that...when you marginalize people...based on appearance...it's a dirty word.


@Anton1792

While I do agree Brutes can be pretty mean and cruel, I will say that they are the lesser of two evils. Yes, they wanted to kill Humans, Like Elites, and yes, they killed humans...but in a numbers game, they are the lesser of two evils.

If War Crimes were to be punished based on numbers, I would expect the Elites to pay the piper to the highest degree.

The game is being the lesser of two evils.

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  • 02.27.2011 1:23 PM PDT

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: mojeda101
Only the Arbiter's have the ability to hold the sword with their left hand. There was most likely a much more honorable death in which the Arbiter does it himself, he calls them off and he does him off, short and simple. I am not talking about Thel, he wasn't Arbiter at the time.

Rtas is left handed.
Rtas is not an Arbiter.

Where has this "Left hand implies Arbiter" idea come from?

Posted by: mojeda101
if you keep going they talk about Elites and their Horror as well, although not as much, just listen.

To be honest I did not hear anything about the Elites honor being mentioned in that video.

I also think that the Elites that killed 6 were disgraceful. A lone wounded, unarmed Spartan being swarmed by Elites acting like no less than dogs.

@Naked Crook

Whilst the Elites killed more due to having more ships, and the Brutes less due to having less ships, they both had the same intentions in mind. The Brutes would have killed more than the Elites had they had the ships.


Anton, when did I say Honor? You quoted me saying Horror. Another thing, 6 wasn't unarmed, he had both his MA5 and his M6, he was wounded due to them and he was alone due to abandonment. That's what the Covenant are, they are all ruthless and kill any demons they can find.

  • 02.27.2011 1:55 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: mojeda101
Anton, when did I say Honor? You quoted me saying Horror.

Hi, my name is Anton and apparently I cannot read. -_-

:/

Posted by: mojeda101
Another thing, 6 wasn't unarmed, he had both his MA5 and his M6, he was wounded due to them and he was alone due to abandonment. That's what the Covenant are, they are all ruthless and kill any demons they can find.

Voro Nar 'Mantakree at the end of Ghosts of Onyx showed Kurt far more respect, dignity and honor than the ones who took on Noble 6.

One of the core virtues of nobility and honor is displaying fairness. There was no fairness is bull rushing Noble 6 like that. When Noble 6 was decked, he had no weapon and he was mortally wounded. Both the Ultra pinning down Noble 6 and the Zealot moving in to take advantage of that were baseless in their actions.

If the Covenant claim that the excuse for those actions is "they are ruthless and kill any demons they can find" then they are not what they say they are bar nothing. It is okay for them to swarm a lone Spartan but yet when they get swarmed in space and lose, they cry to their gods and complain "The only reason you win is because you need to outnumber us!". (Short story in the New Fall of Reach. Cole's interrogation of an Elite.)

  • 02.27.2011 2:19 PM PDT

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: mojeda101
Anton, when did I say Honor? You quoted me saying Horror.

Hi, my name is Anton and apparently I cannot read. -_-

:/

Posted by: mojeda101
Another thing, 6 wasn't unarmed, he had both his MA5 and his M6, he was wounded due to them and he was alone due to abandonment. That's what the Covenant are, they are all ruthless and kill any demons they can find.

Voro Nar 'Mantakree at the end of Ghosts of Onyx showed Kurt far more respect, dignity and honor than the ones who took on Noble 6.

One of the core virtues of nobility and honor is displaying fairness. There was no fairness is bull rushing Noble 6 like that. When Noble 6 was decked, he had no weapon and he was mortally wounded. Both the Ultra pinning down Noble 6 and the Zealot moving in to take advantage of that were baseless in their actions.

If the Covenant claim that the excuse for those actions is "they are ruthless and kill any demons they can find" then they are not what they say they are bar nothing. It is okay for them to swarm a lone Spartan but yet when they get swarmed in space and lose, they cry to their gods and complain "The only reason you win is because you need to outnumber us!". (Short story in the New Fall of Reach. Cole's interrogation of an Elite.)


I have to agree with you on that extent, I would have loved a more honorable death, a gold elite, comes up to 6 and says something, but Bungie hates canon. =/

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I love how a Brute thread turns into talking about Elites exclusively.

lol

  • 02.27.2011 4:42 PM PDT