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Posted By: Naked Crook
Yes...I know about Maccabeus having a ship. But that ship was also stripped down. It didn't even have an engineer. How can a so severly under-equipped vessel compete with a fully armed one in terms of killing power?
I can say, that up until the Schism, a majority of the Covenant was controlled by Elites. This is a numbers a game. It is an established precedent that Brutes (almost) never had Engineers on their ships and they were given undermanned and under equipped ships as seen by the Maccabeus case. We don't know exact numbers...but...I found this on Halopedia
Throughout the majority of the Covenant Civil War or commonly known as the "Great Schism," (as referred to by the Covenant Separatists) the Covenant Military was violently splintered between the Covenant Loyalists, who continued to believe in the Prophet's wisdom and the Covenant Separatists, who followed the Arbiter against them. As the battle raged, the High Prophet of Truth formally transferred command of the Covenant Navy to the Jiralhanae, a position once exclusively held by the Sangheili. The Covenant Separatists wiped out the primary Loyalist fleet at the Battle of Installation 00.
Oh yeah, not having an Engineer is totally stripped down, of course, how could I have ever missed that /sarcasm.
The Elites were the Fleetmasters and such, but that doesn't say anything at all about Shipmasters and how many of the different species besides Elites held that rank. The Brutes were the societal equals of Elites, it was like the early English Parliament, the member of parliament held the exact same power as the nobles not in the governing body, the only difference being that the member of Parliament had a direct input into the running of their nation. This is the same situation with the Brutes and Elites, the only difference between them is that some of the Elites had seats on the Council while the Brutes did not, and other than that they were equals.
All your quote says is that the positions of commanding the whole of the Covenant Navy was only held by the Elites. And the Brutes obviously had to have loads of ships, and not sub-par ones either, as you see a lot of evidence of ship-to-ship combat in the background on Halo 2, sure some of those were probably commandeered ships of the Elites, but to have that big a battle when Chief first arrives the Brutes had to have a lot of the ships in High Charity's escort fleet. All your quote sounds like to me is that Truth revoked the Elite's position as the supreme commanders and gave it to the Brutes.
Now...you call Brutes savage...ok...
They torture people? Alright...
We know this guy tortured James Ackerson for some reason.
We can surmise Gravemind tortured Cortana in some way...as Cortana looked weird...and she was acting weird...possible mental stress.
The Elites were also guilty of torture:
Keyes was taken aboard the Co venant CCS-Class Battlecruiser, the Truth and Reconciliation. There, he was interrogated, tortured, and held prisoner until the Master Chief, the ODSTs, and a group of Marines were able to rescue him with the help of Cortana.
I didn't see any brutes on the Truth and Reconciliation...did you?
Then there was Reth
When Reth was believed to be a rebel, 'Vadamee, Zhar, Saal, and Veer kidnapped him from The Redoubt for information. Saal then tortured him, refusing to believe that he was following the orders of the Hierarchs since they were under conflicting orders.
and the Elites do not torture people?
Did you know you're stupid?
Look at poor Noble 6. Although I am glad he is now feeding the worms, I am pretty sure he was shot 40 times, ganged up on by several Elites, and stabbed several times. This looked pretty painful.
In Halo 3...in the first level, a Marine was being held captive by a Brute. It was that part where the brute was standing on a log, and he was holding the marine by the neck. The brute killed the Marine with a single punch to the face. Now...I am not a medical doctor, nor am I an expert in medical science...but it is my understanding that if you are hit hard enough in the face, it can break the noes cartilage. If the cartilage is pushed into the brain, you are instantly, and painlessly, killed. I surmise this happened to the Marine.
From what I can tell...Brutes seem more merciful than Elites...
What does the Gravemind have to do with our discussion, even if he did torture Cortana?
The Flood also contradicts other pieces of canon, such as stating that the Covenant don't take prisoners, the appearance of the ODSTs, the ODSTs' droppods, the Elite executing Keyes whole group when Keyes' has marines and other guys imprisoned with him, and of course in the same section the Elite using a Human weapon to execute them, until the Schism Elites would never touch Human weaponry, they even looked on it with scorn in Halo 2 when they found out the Brutes were hording it. I don't think we can take word of the Flood on this since the author did not seem to have paid attention to the lore of Halo, and besides, what makes an enemy seem scarier, letting you rot in a cell, or torturing you half to death? I don't think we can regard the Flood as accurate.
As far as they knew, Reth was a Heretic, betraying his religion and his nation, this is an entirely different scenario. At point in time, when the Elites still believed in the Covenant version of the Great Journey they would not show any mercy to Herecy, regardless of how honorable they are the rest of the time.
If some guy is killing all of your men and no matter what you do just wont die, of course you'll try to kill them, especially if it's one of the Demons. I never saw Six get stabbed once, she kept shooting/kicking them back when they got close, and the screen goes black when we see the Zealot ignite his sword, so Six was only stabbed once in that encounter, by the Zealot at the end, at least that's what we're led to believe.
The Brute throws him, he doesn't punch him, and it sounded to me, from the way Nathan Fillion was delivering the line, that he was in pain, IE the Brute had already roughed him up.
And from what I can tell you seem to be just as blind as the Brutes...