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Posted By: Naked Crook
You're right...perhaps not totally clear cut, that's assuming you are lookin at it from a race point of view.
You could easily rename the Castes and fit the Covenant races in their appropriate places...but we won't get into that we. We both understand, at least, the Covenant is LIKE a Caste System.
I don't think I ever said it wasn't :/
You did, in fact, say they were societal equals, which implies full equality on all levels, as a society is composed of many different aspects, including Government, military, civilian status, etc.
You called the societal equals...but now you call them equals in most aspects. This is good...this means you are learning. Brutes and Elites may be equal in terms of rights A, B, C, and D...but since the Elites have a right, which we will call E, a right that the Brutes do not have, this will forever preclude societal equality. They may be equal in terms of military, they may be equal in the amount of respect they get from their lessers, but they will never be equal in government representation.
Mu opinion hasn't changed at all, maybe I've gotten a little better at my phrasing in this argument, but my opinion has not changed at all. I've always believed the Brutes and Elites are basically at the same level of society, so the two races are equal, just not completely, the one issue where the Brutes are not equal is representation on the Council. I guess I basically just said the same thing as you here XD
I am sorry for being a human being who thinks for himself. I am sorry I don't eat schlock like everyone else.
Any rational, normal thinking person, when given irrefutable and discrediting evidence on a subject, tends to rethink their position and reevaluate what they believe.
In this case, it was proven to the Elites the Forerunners were corporal beings. Corporal beings die, they expire, they are fallible, they are weak, and they are small. By definition...these are traits a God or Gods do NOT share.
Now I see two possibilities here:
1. The book writers are stupid, and they have NO CLUE how to write realistic, and rational thinking characters. The only thing these writers know how to do is write 1-dimensional and static characters with absolutely no mental growth. This gives me plenty of reason not to read these books written by stupid people.
OR
2. The Elites are stupid. They are so deluded, and misguided, that they do not deserve a fraction of the respect and intelligence that is credited to them. They believe in discredited lies and fallacies for their own personal comfort (but conveniently lose faith in a nearly identical set of lies and fallacies: IE - The Covenant and the Great Journey). Any race that so heavily deludes itself in lies, and double standards, should not, and could not, advance the way the Elites did...but somehow they did.
What makes me even more sick, is that we, as the outsiders, KNOW, for a fact, the Forerunners were not Gods...but...you still defend the Elites for believe in nonsense and bullocks. But of course not...you eat this schlock, non stop, eating it, and eating it, and eating it...accepting this substandard literary work, and never questioning it, and never thinking about it like a rational human being would.
Step back from these stupid books for a second, and actually think about this...think for yourself...think like a rational human being.
Once you do this...you will FULLY understand my point of view, and you may even agree with me.
Just wondering? Have you read any of Norse mythology? Their gods could be killed, the idea of mortal gods is not contradicting of the title of god. Just because a god can be killed does not mean it is not a god or can no longer be called one if it dies. All that was proven false was the Covenant's idea of the Great Journey. Seeing as we don't know what exactly the Elites believed about the Forerunners 'godhood' I don't see how you can say the Forerunners dieing should disprove their beliefs to the Elites. I don't defend them believing an untruth at all, I am merely stating what is fact: that they have not turned away from their belief that the Forerunners are gods.
I am perfectly rational, thank you very much! You know, there is such a thing as difference of oppinion, what you might think is "schlock" as you put it and trashy substandard work, another might think is the best thing since sliced bread and the most awesome read ever. I highly doubt I will ever agree with you over this matter, and I do analyze what I read, that is why I am able to come up with explanations for things that perfectly explain events, characters, or societies in the books and games.