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Subject: Star Wars vs. Halo Universe

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.

Halo, Cryptum changed the tide.

(also force would be useless since they did not come from the SW universe)

P.S; I think the two universes should actully be an alliance against universes such as DW.

[Edited on 03.01.2011 2:43 PM PST]

  • 03.01.2011 2:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
You really didn't read Cryptum, did you:

here's what 343i has to say of them: "PRECURSORS--A civilization which preceded the Forerunners, leaving behind indestructible and inscrutable remnants of their way of life."

Every single mention of them in Cryptum points to how utterly shocked the Didact and Bornstellar are that the Halos can destroy the Precursors, because NOTHING can and has ever been able too. Born makes a point by saying many Precursor ruins have been subjugated underneath the crust of planets for millions of years by plate tectonics, churned through the molten core of several million degrees and impossible preassure, and reamerged on the other side completely unharmed. Only a Neural Weapon can harm them, because they ARE one with the universe. They can erase consciousness from history. We know this because that's what Halo is: a soul destroyer.


Wiskey Tango Foxtrot

You are telling me that the Halo Array is a giant Soul Killer? Would the Halos even work against SW?

As for the Precursors being invincible, they simply are not using the right kind of Dakka; in SW's case, break out the force storms and Ewoks.

  • 03.02.2011 10:28 AM PDT


Posted by: Pewter

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
You really didn't read Cryptum, did you:

here's what 343i has to say of them: "PRECURSORS--A civilization which preceded the Forerunners, leaving behind indestructible and inscrutable remnants of their way of life."

Every single mention of them in Cryptum points to how utterly shocked the Didact and Bornstellar are that the Halos can destroy the Precursors, because NOTHING can and has ever been able too. Born makes a point by saying many Precursor ruins have been subjugated underneath the crust of planets for millions of years by plate tectonics, churned through the molten core of several million degrees and impossible preassure, and reamerged on the other side completely unharmed. Only a Neural Weapon can harm them, because they ARE one with the universe. They can erase consciousness from history. We know this because that's what Halo is: a soul destroyer.


Wiskey Tango Foxtrot

You are telling me that the Halo Array is a giant Soul Killer? Would the Halos even work against SW?

As for the Precursors being invincible, they simply are not using the right kind of Dakka; in SW's case, break out the force storms and Ewoks.



I was low on time so couldn't really explain.

By soul killer I mean to say it wipes consciousness out of the existence. The Flood need to latch onto the host's neural signal to infect properly, and harvest its consiousness to further the Flood's knowledge. It also needs the biomass, so could theoretically consume destroyed tissue as well, if not infect it.

Halo solves this problem by erasing things with a conscious mind from existence, as well as--apparently--its biomass. It simply erases it.

More evidence for this can be gleaned from how the Halo's are the only weapon in the entire universe that can destroy Precursor Neural Material. Neural Material worked off of the properties that the conscious mind and the universe are one, that the universe lives, but on a totally different plane of reality then can be conceived of. Precursors tapped into that universal power of mind and ascended to godhood.

So you see, nothing, not even the Force, can do anything to the Precursors except for a Halo exclusive science.

And if you say the Force can destroy the Precursors: prove it. Is it a Neural Weapon? No?

Then its useless.

Would Halos even work against Star Wars?

Yeah....why not? They have a consciousness just like Halo's people do. Nothing is preventing it from working. It'd destroy the Jedi and the Yuuzhaan Vong for sure, as it would the rest of the conscious minds in the Wars universe untill all that's left are droids without a leader.

Don't see where you're going with that one.

  • 03.02.2011 2:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

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The Star Forge would be Star Wars' victory


Don't forget about Centerpoint.

BTW, this is pointless. Star Wars would obviously win. Halo can't use the flood or the halos, because everyone would lose in that situation.

Spartans and Elites are no match for Jedi or Sith.

Unshielded UNSC Navy ships and poorly flown Covenant ships would be no match for the Imperial Navy. And with a commander like Lord Caedus or some other force user, the Imperial Navy could never lose.

Star Wars ships have nearly unlimited energy, are super fast through hyperspace, and don't need to obey the laws of physics. It wouldn't be a fair fight. Halo is much more scientifically accurate.

And don't forget about the super weapons like the galaxy gun, the death star, centerpoint, and the star forge.

And you also need to factor in the shear size of the civilizations. Star Wars obviously wins out in this category too.


NOTHING Star Wars has can do harm to the Precursors. Forget the Flood or Halo Rings (which can be used against planets and individual systems as well btw) a single Precursor ship would be unstoppable to Star Wars.


If you are going to factor in the Halo ancient civilizations then you also have to factor in the Star Wars ancients. Star Wars has the Celestials, who made just as much mega-astro-architecture as the Precursors and the Forerunners.

To make any true argument about Halo vs. Star Wars you need to factor out the ancient civilizations because we don't know enough about them. When you say "NOTHING" in Star Wars can harm the precursors you are assuming that the Celestials would have no technology that was greater.

  • 03.02.2011 4:20 PM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Erebus1317

Posted by: mav1971kit
The Star Forge would be Star Wars' victory


Don't forget about Centerpoint.

BTW, this is pointless. Star Wars would obviously win. Halo can't use the flood or the halos, because everyone would lose in that situation.

Spartans and Elites are no match for Jedi or Sith.

Unshielded UNSC Navy ships and poorly flown Covenant ships would be no match for the Imperial Navy. And with a commander like Lord Caedus or some other force user, the Imperial Navy could never lose.

Star Wars ships have nearly unlimited energy, are super fast through hyperspace, and don't need to obey the laws of physics. It wouldn't be a fair fight. Halo is much more scientifically accurate.

And don't forget about the super weapons like the galaxy gun, the death star, centerpoint, and the star forge.

And you also need to factor in the shear size of the civilizations. Star Wars obviously wins out in this category too.


NOTHING Star Wars has can do harm to the Precursors. Forget the Flood or Halo Rings (which can be used against planets and individual systems as well btw) a single Precursor ship would be unstoppable to Star Wars.


If you are going to factor in the Halo ancient civilizations then you also have to factor in the Star Wars ancients. Star Wars has the Celestials, who made just as much mega-astro-architecture as the Precursors and the Forerunners.

To make any true argument about Halo vs. Star Wars you need to factor out the ancient civilizations because we don't know enough about them. When you say "NOTHING" in Star Wars can harm the precursors you are assuming that the Celestials would have no technology that was greater.


No, I know of the Celestials. They were a hyper-wise civilization that constructed technologies of epic proportions, eventually defeated by the Rakatans.

I'm not assuming anything, though, when I say nothing can touch the Precursors. Its an actual fact. Sure, throw in the ancient races in Wars, but unless they have a Neural Weapon--whih they do not--then nothing they throw at the Precursors will work.

I don't care if they have technology that is "greater" then the Precursors (which would equate to having technology greater then the multi-dimensional reality we call the multiverse, or greater then the Greek gods) but nothing they have can do harm to the precursors.

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SEE!!! what did i saw. A large war between fan boys alike. Even the warhammer people got involed. Look there are way to many factors to include and so on with the nureal weapons then the other super weapons its not going to end anything. there is always going to be a answer to what seems to be a sealing of victory but it is then shot down i a fireball of awsomeness and nerd blood spilling onto the worn out and ravaged landscape.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I was low on time so couldn't really explain.

By soul killer I mean to say it wipes consciousness out of the existence. The Flood need to latch onto the host's neural signal to infect properly, and harvest its consiousness to further the Flood's knowledge. It also needs the biomass, so could theoretically consume destroyed tissue as well, if not infect it.

Halo solves this problem by erasing things with a conscious mind from existence, as well as--apparently--its biomass. It simply erases it.

More evidence for this can be gleaned from how the Halo's are the only weapon in the entire universe that can destroy Precursor Neural Material. Neural Material worked off of the properties that the conscious mind and the universe are one, that the universe lives, but on a totally different plane of reality then can be conceived of. Precursors tapped into that universal power of mind and ascended to godhood.

So you see, nothing, not even the Force, can do anything to the Precursors except for a Halo exclusive science.

And if you say the Force can destroy the Precursors: prove it. Is it a Neural Weapon? No?

Then its useless.


Hogwash, just because something is Damn near Invulnerable in thier own Universe does NOT mean it is Invulnerable to everything in the Multi-verse.

There are other ways to destroy things besides lugging Rocks, bullets, and Lasers at it.

Dimensional Constructs for Example, or in lay mans terms, opening Holes in reality. Black Holes, Slipspace Portals, Light Hawk Wings, GBE, the list goes on. Things thought to be invincible typicly get torn appart by things that flat out ignore the laws of physics. For a Halo Example, the Improvised Slipspace Bomb used on the Covenant Super Carrier in Halo Reach. Things tend to react Badly when a hole in space and time gets torn open in the middle of it.

In SW's The Vong use Black Holes for Point Defense, Palpatine uses Force Storms(Force Generated Worms holes), and the Maw; an Artifical Cluster of Black Holes put in place by the Celestials.


And for your claim that the Precursors Accended? Bull-blam!-, The Forerunner Killed Them.

Last precursor
"We meet again, young one. I am the last of those that gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor, and our answer is at hand."


You oh so holy Precursors are not gods, they are in the same boat as the Forerunners; Ancient and Extinct race that left behind a lot of Technological Goodies. They can go join the line behind the Ancients, Celestials, Old Ones, and Many More such races.

And as a Final Question, Do you know what a Neuron is? It is not some kind of life force or soul, it is a Cell, one that is central to the Nervous System. This is what the Halos Radiation Targets, this is why it is effective against the Flood as well as its food. It doesn't kill what most fictions call the Soul, its Kills the Sack of meat the soul resides in.


Yeah....why not? They have a consciousness just like Halo's people do. Nothing is preventing it from working. It'd destroy the Jedi and the Yuuzhaan Vong for sure, as it would the rest of the conscious minds in the Wars universe untill all that's left are droids without a leader.

Don't see where you're going with that one.


I was working off the strange Idea that Halos killed Souls, and I was going to Say the Force Probably is not the Same thing as what ever The Haloverse has for souls and an Afterlife. If the Halos Killed Souls, then there was a chance that the Halos effects Couldn't Touch the Force.

But after doing a bit of Research into the Halo Arrays operation and Neurons; Yes Halos should work on Star Wars forces.

Fortunatly for Star Wars, those Halo Arrays are fairly weak considering that Instalation 04 was destroyed by a ships reactor going critical. Not even a Nuke, but a Ship malfunction(Abiet a Purposeful one).

  • 03.02.2011 6:36 PM PDT
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This is what i was talking about... when you have a victory ex. halo array its shot down in a ball of nerd flame

  • 03.02.2011 6:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Pewter

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I was low on time so couldn't really explain.

By soul killer I mean to say it wipes consciousness out of the existence. The Flood need to latch onto the host's neural signal to infect properly, and harvest its consiousness to further the Flood's knowledge. It also needs the biomass, so could theoretically consume destroyed tissue as well, if not infect it.

Halo solves this problem by erasing things with a conscious mind from existence, as well as--apparently--its biomass. It simply erases it.

More evidence for this can be gleaned from how the Halo's are the only weapon in the entire universe that can destroy Precursor Neural Material. Neural Material worked off of the properties that the conscious mind and the universe are one, that the universe lives, but on a totally different plane of reality then can be conceived of. Precursors tapped into that universal power of mind and ascended to godhood.

So you see, nothing, not even the Force, can do anything to the Precursors except for a Halo exclusive science.

And if you say the Force can destroy the Precursors: prove it. Is it a Neural Weapon? No?

Then its useless.


Hogwash, just because something is Damn near Invulnerable in thier own Universe does NOT mean it is Invulnerable to everything in the Multi-verse.

There are other ways to destroy things besides lugging Rocks, bullets, and Lasers at it.

Dimensional Constructs for Example, or in lay mans terms, opening Holes in reality. Black Holes, Slipspace Portals, Light Hawk Wings, GBE, the list goes on. Things thought to be invincible typicly get torn appart by things that flat out ignore the laws of physics. For a Halo Example, the Improvised Slipspace Bomb used on the Covenant Super Carrier in Halo Reach. Things tend to react Badly when a hole in space and time gets torn open in the middle of it.

In SW's The Vong use Black Holes for Point Defense, Palpatine uses Force Storms(Force Generated Worms holes), and the Maw; an Artifical Cluster of Black Holes put in place by the Celestials.


And for your claim that the Precursors Accended? Bull-blam!-, The Forerunner Killed Them.

Last precursor
"We meet again, young one. I am the last of those that gave you breath and shape and form, millions of years ago. I am the last of those your kind rose up against and ruthlessly destroyed. I am the last Precursor, and our answer is at hand."


You oh so holy Precursors are not gods, they are in the same boat as the Forerunners; Ancient and Extinct race that left behind a lot of Technological Goodies. They can go join the line behind the Ancients, Celestials, Old Ones, and Many More such races.

And as a Final Question, Do you know what a Neuron is? It is not some kind of life force or soul, it is a Cell, one that is central to the Nervous System. This is what the Halos Radiation Targets, this is why it is effective against the Flood as well as its food. It doesn't kill what most fictions call the Soul, its Kills the Sack of meat the soul resides in.


Yeah....why not? They have a consciousness just like Halo's people do. Nothing is preventing it from working. It'd destroy the Jedi and the Yuuzhaan Vong for sure, as it would the rest of the conscious minds in the Wars universe untill all that's left are droids without a leader.

Don't see where you're going with that one.


I was working off the strange Idea that Halos killed Souls, and I was going to Say the Force Probably is not the Same thing as what ever The Haloverse has for souls and an Afterlife. If the Halos Killed Souls, then there was a chance that the Halos effects Couldn't Touch the Force.

But after doing a bit of Research into the Halo Arrays operation and Neurons; Yes Halos should work on Star Wars forces.

Fortunatly for Star Wars, those Halo Arrays are fairly weak considering that Instalation 04 was destroyed by a ships reactor going critical. Not even a Nuke, but a Ship malfunction(Abiet a Purposeful one).


You just need to calm down man. Let me clarify myself even more.

We know for a fact that the ONLY thing that can touch the Precursors is a Neural Weapon, just like how the only thing that can touch Wolverine is an adamantium bullet, or a silver bullet to a werewolf.

Everything else is pure speculation based only on the laws of the universe as WE understand them. Would a black hole suck in a Precursor building or some kind of structure.

According to humanity's, and thus your and mine, understanding of the laws of physics, yes, it should.

But should any structure of any type be able to survive the infinitely dense preassures and heat of being sucked into the surface of a planet for several hundred million years and come out unscathed in our laws of the universe? Should any structure be perfectly invunerable to everything?

No. That's the point I'm trying to make. You say weapons outside of physics could destroy the Precursors but what you fail to realize is that the Precursors do indeed exist OUTSIDE of the laws of physics.

Take the Precursor World Bridges for example. They are said to be able to flawlessly connect entire planets in a physical way no one ever dreamed of. The impossible preassures that must be forced on them must be so -blam!- ing massive, they surpass even exatonnage, or even yottatonnage.

It gets even more interesting when you take into account different orbits of different planets. Our laws of physics state those bridges should snap like twigs. But the Precursors are unbounded by the laws of reality, allowing them to craft technologies impervious to all know forces.

Then you say that the Wars universe could use things like black holes to destroy them.

Fine. Let's play with the idea a black hole weapon could destroy Precursor ships. Centerpoint Station comes to mind.

In order for it to work effectively, the Centerpoint would have to effectively destroy stars and planets in every known galaxy in this universe and maybe even the next one to defeat the Precursors. I say the next one because we already know the Forerunners could traverse between alternate realities like shun-space and Natal Void so its an exceptionally safe bet to believe they traversed universes too.

So what you basically mean to tell me, is that Centerpoint would be able to pull this off without the Flood or Precursors or even the Assembly--who appear to be all-knowing slipspace entities--from ever figuring out where it is?

God help them if the Flood take it over.

So answer me this: Centerpoint can only strike against objects in this universe. What happens when Halo enters slipspace? Its not in this universe, its an overlapping existence.

The Forerunners established entire worlds in slipspace, so Centerpoint's not getting to them. All they'd really have to do is drop a NOVA bomb out of slipspace right where Centerpoint is and destroy it. We've known for a while now that even the UNSC could launch nukes from slipspace, why not a NOVA with Forerunner-accurate jumps?

Let me clarify something else. I said ascended because of their unique oness with the universe. The Forerunners war with them is technically debatable considering who said it happened, but either way.

Forerunners could fight the Precursors because Halo has access to their technology. Its not too far fetched to think that the subordinate race of the Forerunners--being the egomaniacs they are--took up Neural arms against the Precursors and drove them out to become the dominant race in the galaxy.

Difference is, again, Halo has the weapons. The crew of the USS Voyager defeated the Q because they had access to the Q's weapons, unkillable unless shot with those god-like weapons. Halo wouldn't be able to definitively defeat the Q due to lack of Q weaponry. Wars wouldn't be able to do the same with either the Q or the Precursors because they do not have their weaponry.

In both cases we have a race of immensly powerful god-beings undefeatable by anything but their own universe. We call this the eternal conundrum.

An unstoppable force (Q) meets an immovable object (Precursor). Who wins?

You can't answer it. Now Centerpoint Station can be stopped, Death Star can be stopped, the sun-crusher can be stopped, but yet you still think they can defeat the Precursors.

Say the human race, or Man has the Tsar bomb, a 50 megaton Hydrogen bomb, most powerful bomb ever built by man, along with every weapon ever built by human hands, including nukes.

Put man up against God. Give God a twelve gauge, doubled barrelled redneck shotgun.

Who wins?

I seriously fail to see why you don't understand this.

  • 03.02.2011 7:31 PM PDT
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Let's take this step by step shall we?

First off; those were the best examples of invulnerablility you could come up with? Ha! Don't make me laugh, those are simply the Easiest and quickest ways to take those two out of the fight. I can think of dozens of ways to remove both from the picture, both IRL and by various fictional methods; my favorite is instaling wolverine into a Bolo Mk 33's reactor to provide infinte energy.(Mk 33's run off H2O)

Claiming that precursor objects can not be destroyed by any means is Wank to the highest degree, and you know it. The very fact that they are destroyed not by some awe inspireing weapon that can rend the fabric of space and time, but by a specific radiation that kills neurons is viable proof of that their mortality.

Your precursor "gods" were extinguished by their creations; the Forerunner. And the forerunner did not have the halos at their disposal, or any "Neural" weapons when they did the deed.

Unless bungie come out and tells us plainly that the precursors could survive having a sudden case of mini black hole in their guts, it is safe to assume that such weapons can work.

As for trying to play the culture game, let them rot in their own plane of existance, cowering in a sub dimension will not win them any wars.

On the stagetic Nova bombing, the Forerunner need to know where to strike. The SW galaxy is much larger then the milky way, and halo forces don't have star charts.

Fortunatly for SW they have for planning out offensive strikes billions of probe droids they can send out to spot targets for the galaxy gun(s), sun crushers, Centerpoint, force storms, and the other numerous super weapons in their possestion.

And for defensive prevention/counterstrikes they have force precog. If you are willing to drag out the "gods" of one side, you better be damn prepared for when the god of the other brings it to the table.

As for Man Vs God, give man gods location and we will gladly tear him a new one with everything upto and including the One Hundred Megaton Tsar Bomba.(the one that was tested was scaled back; don't try to out wit me with nukes boy, they are my nerdy speciality).

  • 03.02.2011 10:48 PM PDT

Star Wars hands down would beat the Halo Universe. Only because of a few reasons though. Star Wars have greater advancements in technology, they have the force and the most well known Jedi weapon....the lightsaber.

  • 03.02.2011 11:10 PM PDT

If you're not dead, you're fine. It's when you're dying that you need to worry.

I think that if given enough time, the laser based weaponry in Star Wars could offer some sort of resistance to the Flood. It's essentially the same thing as using a Sentinel Beam. However, if left unchecked, the Flood would overrun star systems. If that happened, the Star Wars forces would be in a world of hurt and could win.

As far as ground forces go, Marines could easily hold the field long enough. Clone and Imperial forces used some sort of plastic based armor with which bullets could easily shatter. The blasters used by Star Wars could also do the same to the UNSC's ballistic armor. Both sides also use targeting aids (the computers in their helmets) and both are equally trained.

In orbit, the Covenant fleets could without a doubt hold their own against any ship thrown at them. The laser based ship to ship guns of the Star Wars fleets are literally a hit or miss. The plasma based weaponry can home in and boil away shields and hulls. UNSC fleets had their MAC guns which in a way are similar to the proton torpedoes used by the heavier contenders in the Star Wars fleets.

  • 03.03.2011 5:26 AM PDT

@Pewter

Again, you fail to grasp the canon aspects of the Precursors and Halo. Halo does NOT use radiation, it uses a harmonic pulse that targets two primary things we need to survive. Biological matter, and consciousness. Only a person from the year 2004 would think it still uses a radiation pulse. We've known it was something else for quite a while now.

Didact called it "complete Neural destruction," criticizing the Forerunners for not being able to understand Precursor relics but finally being capable of destroying everything they ever made.

When a Halo strikes you, you simply cease to exist. Biological matter is erased in the epicenter of the pulse, while anything close to it whithers and dies, like Faun Hakkor. The Forerunners were utterly horrified the pulse managed to destroy the Precursor ruins at Charumm Hakkor, since nothing is capable of doing it.

You've seriously lost all validity when you honestly used radiation as a counter example. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

[quote] As for Man Vs God, give man gods location and we will gladly tear him a new one with everything upto and including the One Hundred Megaton Tsar Bomba.(the one that was tested was scaled back; don't try to out wit me with nukes boy, they are my nerdy speciality). [quote]

Yep, its official: you're a fanboy idiot. You have the balls to think we could do anything to God? You've played way to many videogames my friend. Way to many.

Do we have access to Gods' powers? No? He kicks our asses. Does Star Wars have access to Precursors' powers? No? Then the Precursors kick there asses.

Your hypocrisy fails to understand that Star Wars would also have to find out where the Halo targets are to cause any effect on them with any superweapon. The Flood infects ONE Wars guy. Halo knows everything he knew about the Wars universe and planning.

Gravemind infects a Jedi, assimilates its midichlorians, Flood can use the Force.

Dalceus, just make it official to answer your question. The Star Wars fanboys can't make a good argument without flatly denying the established Halo canon. Halo wins.

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Even if Halos wave is not some specific radiation, what it kills is undeniable. It targets Neurons, or in laymans terms, it targets the nervous system. It isn't some magi tech soul killing weapon, it reduces it's targets to, for lack of a better term, mindless meat sacks.


On the stragetic scale, I already told you; SW has the means of finding their targets, either by probe droids getting sent into the Haloverse if force
precog can't already do that, or using precog to stop superweapon strikes for harmig them.

If all halo can offer is the laughable claim that the flood infecting one guy will some how give them everythig they need to know, they might as well throw in the towel, for no one mook will have the exact locations for every super weapon in the SW galaxy.

You're grasping for straws here, especially with the god verse man thing. If Abrahamic God was real, and if man knew where the bastard was, he would be charged for multiple counts of mass murder, conspiring and assisting in murder and genocide. And of course, at the end of the day, man wouldn't really have to do anything, there are other pantheons who are only an excuse away from smashing that upstart into the dirt.

As for your acusations of fan boy-ism, I can assure you that I am no such thing. I do not bow head to the Force, the God Emperor, the Forerunner, the Ancients, or the rest of the Multiverse.

I have simply come to know the Truth.

The Truth that there is no such thing as Impossible, just varying levels of Improbability.

The Truth that there is always a Bigger Fish; wether it be Star Wars over powering Star Trek, the Culture smacking down the 40K, Pop Eye punching Chuck Noris into Oblivions, or a Child with a water gun melting the Signs Aliens; there will always be some one stronger, faster, and Better.

The Truth that Everything Dies; Heros, Planets, Empires, Galaxies, Universes, and even Gods will die and fade in the end. For most, they will not live to see that end. Only the most hardcore of the Fanboys will cling to obscure quotes and claims in a vain attempt to create the illusion that their chosen franchise can not be casually destroyed by the enemies set before them. There are only a handfull of beings in the multiverse who can truely lay claim to endless Inmortality, and most of those are Toons.

These are the Truths of the Multiverse, as observed by one who has seen match ups of every kind debated, not mearly the Halo Centric one of this board.(Abeit there is a good excuse why it revolves around just Halo here). I have seen the Culture vs Star Wars, the Ewoks pitted against the Persians at thermopylae, the Animaniacs set loose upon an unsuspecting 40k, My little pony against Taz; Each either going as you'd suspect(Culture vs SWs), or a horrible mind numbing truth twisting the odds so much in the favor of one side(Ewoks vs the Persians).

I have seen much, and I will see much more.

Halo lacks what it takes to rise up on the chain of the multiverse, it's betters can still smash it aside even when halo brings out it's big guns. But take Heart, for as SWs and 40k can smash the Haloverse as Halo would do to others beneath it, so too can higher fictions to the likes of SW's and 40K. Those that leave Halo a weeping wreck can be defeated, it's just that Halo lacks the nessesary firepower.

I am no Fan Boy, I am one who does not mearly walks the thin line between sanity and insanity, but dances back and forth across it's boundries. Your Empty words have no meaning to a Servant of the Laughing God.

  • 03.03.2011 8:23 AM PDT

I conquer

Lightsabers cant block lead

Halo wins

  • 03.03.2011 8:53 AM PDT
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Titanium A can't stop Turbolasers.

Now If you don't have anything more important to say then simple observation(abiet, an okay one), I do sugest you go else where.

  • 03.03.2011 9:03 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

@pewter

So many fallacies in a single post.

-Star wars hips use hyperspace and we know that hyperspace ships can't reach other galaxy because of a disturbance at the edge of the galaxy.Probes won't do anything.

-Ah,instead of trying to make a valid counter argument against the flood gaining knowledge you make a typical ignorant argument with the towel BS.

Flood gain knowledge of all they infect,it's canon unless you can prove otherwise but you will fail at it.

-Nope.We humans can't kill an omnipotent being or whatever you call it.You have lost all credibility with that claim.

Hey what's the point of that stupid speech of yours?Why not give any valid evidence.

Star wars and wahammer can't win against Halo.Unless it's current incarnation which isn't the true power.

The Forerunners are superior to any warhammer race excluding the gods.People says warhammer has awesome pwoerful ground troops?Look at the forerunner infantry,equipped with continent ,crust busting weapons .Forerunner infantry soldiers are the most powerful ground forces i ever heard of in sciencefiction.

Halo has enough firepower,ground forces alone have firepower in teraton-petaton range if they are capable of destroying the crust of a planet let alone a single starsship like a planet breaker.

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Posted by: AngryTastycakes
I think that if given enough time, the laser based weaponry in Star Wars could offer some sort of resistance to the Flood. It's essentially the same thing as using a Sentinel Beam. However, if left unchecked, the Flood would overrun star systems. If that happened, the Star Wars forces would be in a world of hurt and could win.

As far as ground forces go, Marines could easily hold the field long enough. Clone and Imperial forces used some sort of plastic based armor with which bullets could easily shatter. The blasters used by Star Wars could also do the same to the UNSC's ballistic armor. Both sides also use targeting aids (the computers in their helmets) and both are equally trained.

In orbit, the Covenant fleets could without a doubt hold their own against any ship thrown at them. The laser based ship to ship guns of the Star Wars fleets are literally a hit or miss. The plasma based weaponry can home in and boil away shields and hulls. UNSC fleets had their MAC guns which in a way are similar to the proton torpedoes used by the heavier contenders in the Star Wars fleets.


EU for star wars has storm trooper armour stopping slug throwers(guns) cold, the only real vunerable part are the eye pieces. Some of the heavier rounds could possibly pierce the armour, but Assualt rifle rounds(which mind you even the UNSC MGs use) are unlikely to do much without some luck. Why they appear to be plastic in the movies is because they are plastic props. As to why the little lovecraftian horrors known as Ewoks can beat them senseless, you really don't want me to explain that; the horrifying truth will blow your mind.

In space, if we go with the latest caculations thanks to Reach, there really is no nothing the Covenant or then UNSC could do to the GE or the Republics navy; even pulling out their biggest guns won't stop them.

Don't get me wrong, I kinda wish Halo could win, but they simply are not in the same legue as Star Wars. Pulling out things like the Forerunner and the Precursors only allows Star Wars to stop pulling it's punches and let loose some of it's most wank-tastic toys.

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Pewter

Posted by: AngryTastycakes
I think that if given enough time, the laser based weaponry in Star Wars could offer some sort of resistance to the Flood. It's essentially the same thing as using a Sentinel Beam. However, if left unchecked, the Flood would overrun star systems. If that happened, the Star Wars forces would be in a world of hurt and could win.

As far as ground forces go, Marines could easily hold the field long enough. Clone and Imperial forces used some sort of plastic based armor with which bullets could easily shatter. The blasters used by Star Wars could also do the same to the UNSC's ballistic armor. Both sides also use targeting aids (the computers in their helmets) and both are equally trained.

In orbit, the Covenant fleets could without a doubt hold their own against any ship thrown at them. The laser based ship to ship guns of the Star Wars fleets are literally a hit or miss. The plasma based weaponry can home in and boil away shields and hulls. UNSC fleets had their MAC guns which in a way are similar to the proton torpedoes used by the heavier contenders in the Star Wars fleets.


EU for star wars has storm trooper armour stopping slug throwers(guns) cold, the only real vunerable part are the eye pieces. Some of the heavier rounds could possibly pierce the armour, but Assualt rifle rounds(which mind you even the UNSC MGs use) are unlikely to do much without some luck. Why they appear to be plastic in the movies is because they are plastic props. As to why the little lovecraftian horrors known as Ewoks can beat them senseless, you really don't want me to explain that; the horrifying truth will blow your mind.

In space, if we go with the latest caculations thanks to Reach, there really is no nothing the Covenant or then UNSC could do to the GE or the Republics navy; even pulling out their biggest guns won't stop them.

Don't get me wrong, I kinda wish Halo could win, but they simply are not in the same legue as Star Wars. Pulling out things like the Forerunner and the Precursors only allows Star Wars to stop pulling it's punches and let loose some of it's most wank-tastic toys.


You can allow every ancient faction of star wars.

Ah an ignorant argument again from you.Reach didn't retconned anything,but you are free to prove me wrong but you will see in the end that Reach did nothing to Halo firepower.

  • 03.03.2011 9:24 AM PDT

I conquer

What of the armies of googlpex times some randomly-obscenely large-number of planet shattering sentinel? Onyx was not the only shield world in existence, and it was creating trillions at a time.

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Posted by: hotshot revan II
@pewter
-Star wars hips use hyperspace and we know that hyperspace ships can't reach other galaxy because of a disturbance at the edge of the galaxy.Probes won't do anything.


It is possible, Outbound Flight and the Vong invasion proves this. That and it was not explained just how these two universes are duking it out. Some methods make using probe droids and other things easier, like wormholes linking the two.


-Ah,instead of trying to make a valid counter argument against the flood gaining knowledge you make a typical ignorant argument with the towel BS.

Flood gain knowledge of all they infect,it's canon unless you can prove otherwise but you will fail at it.


The Failure, it burns. Yes the flood gains the Knowledge of the persons they infect. Unfortunatly this doesn't mean they some how gain god like knowledge of everything by infecting a random storm trooper. Random bob is not going to have an indepth knowledge of the stagetic possitions of the SWs galaxy. This is why I said if this is ther best info gathering method, then they might as well throw in the towel.

-Nope.We humans can't kill an omnipotent being or whatever you call it.You have lost all credibility with that claim.

Men have killed gods before if you are to belive the myths behind the numerous gods.

Star wars and wahammer can't win against Halo.Unless it's current incarnation which isn't the true power.

The Forerunners are superior to any warhammer race excluding the gods.People says warhammer has awesome pwoerful ground troops?Look at the forerunner infantry,equipped with continent ,crust busting weapons .Forerunner infantry soldiers are the most powerful ground forces i ever heard of in sciencefiction.



There are reasons why ancient high technological races are left out of such debates, they lead to nigh uncontrolable wanking.

The Forerunner pale in comparision to the Celestials, Old Ones, and the old Necron Empire. Each has done more then those silly pricks offensively, upto and including dropping entire systems into black holes, building an entire instaneous transport network through a mind breaking relm, and moving entire systems at whim for -blam!-s and giggles. Each of them could have properly -blam!-slaped the Flood when it showed up instead of dicking around.

Halo has enough firepower,ground forces alone have firepower in teraton-petaton range if they are capable of destroying the crust of a planet let alone a single starsship like a planet breaker.

Both Star Wars and 40k's ancients could match the Forerunner in combat

The thing is, the Haloverses true firepower is that of the UNSC, the Covenant, and the Halo Rings, the Sentinals despite being the highest tech wise, had only so so firepower, and could be destroyed by the -blam!- guns of the UNSC. Typicly if you wanted an even fight, you'd have to restrain the Oposing force.

Bringing in the Forerunner and the Precursors just gives SW
and 40k the excuse they need to break out their own superweapons and Super Advanced Ancient races. Again there are reasons these wanktastic races are held back.

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It is possible, Outbound Flight and the Vong invasion proves this. That and it was not explained just how these two universes are duking it out. Some methods make using probe droids and other things easier, like wormholes linking the two.


The vong arrived at sub lightspeed and that project failed i think.Ok wormholes is a good idea combined with the galaxy in near proximity.


The Failure, it burns. Yes the flood gains the Knowledge of the persons they infect. Unfortunatly this doesn't mean they some how gain god like knowledge of everything by infecting a random storm trooper. Random bob is not going to have an indepth knowledge of the stagetic possitions of the SWs galaxy. This is why I said if this is ther best info gathering method, then they might as well throw in the towel.


We never said of everything.An exemple an infection form infects palpatine,palpatine knows all locations and strategies of the empire so the flood gain that knowledge as well.It happened many times in canon you can't deny this.

Men have killed gods before if you are to belive the myths behind the numerous gods.


God isn't the same as those others.

The Forerunner pale in comparision to the Celestials, Old Ones, and the old Necron Empire. Each has done more then those silly pricks offensively, upto and including dropping entire systems into black holes, building an entire instaneous transport network through a mind breaking relm, and moving entire systems at whim for -blam!-s and giggles. Each of them could have properly -blam!-slaped the Flood when it showed up instead of dicking around.


Which celestials?The ones from star wars?
No i disagree,all Forerunner feats are more impressive then the others.
Here are some exemples:


pg 100
From those inner secrets, the Forerunners have
prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds,
move stars, and even to contemplate shifting the axes of
entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other
spaces - slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geo-
detics, natal void, the photon-only realm the Glow.



They are capable of putting starts and massive langs into a small slipspace bubble.
See the shield world and micro dyson sphere articles on halopedian.Please don't visit halopedia,visit halopedian.

That instaneous transport thing is the same as the Forerunner domain.
http://www.halopedian.com/Domain


The Forerunners did far more impressive offensive things.
Some feats:
-Ground forces can destroy entire continents ,the crust of a planet and rip ships apart.I'm not overexagerating,this are facts.I would love to give quotes from the book,but the book is currently unavailable to me.They have hidden it from me.
But i found this around:

The atmosphere below was a swirling soup of smoke and
fire. Warrior craft and automated weapon systems were
mostly to small to be visible, but I saw their effects - darting
beams of needle light, glowing arcs cutting across conti-
nents, gigantic, stamplike divots punched into the crust and
then lifted up, spun about, overturned. I had never seen
anything like this - but the Didact had.



-Rings with each a max range of 25000 light years killing anything above the level of bacteria.

Hell there are others.

True firepower?Take a guess,halo array and sentinels are made by Forerunners.Forerunners are alive in another galaxy.And what you say is just the current incarnation and true firepower.

How did this turned into a sw and 40k alliance vs Halo?
Regardless,everything is allowed.Don't use poor excuses.

Bring it on!

  • 03.03.2011 10:23 AM PDT

Pewter

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but the movies override the EU in Star Wars canon. If Stormtroopers can get cut down by the legions to bows and arrows and rocks, then they can get cut down by bullets.

If a Star Destroyer can get destroyed by an iron asteroid, then surely a hypervilocity tungsten round would eviscerate a Destroyer.

Now of course there's the shield thing to consider. But just armor plating alone, a MAC would punch a hole clean through it.

Yes, WH40K is powerful, but I've never heard of them destroying an entire planet using only groundside weapons and fightercraft. Besides, this isn't about 40K.

Now you say the Celestials are better then the Forerunners. Prove it. I've never heard of the Celestials traversing alternate dimensions and universes. The biggest thing they did was Centerpoint and that got destroyed by modern Wars weapons.

You say that the Celestials could move stars. Forerunners did that and more. They engineered stars, created stars, used stars as WMDs, had workers living inside of stars (Stellar Class engineers).

You say the Celestials could create black holes. The Forerunners could bypass the laws of gravity, even theoretically capable of erasing black holes. Born makes a point of the Forerunners' highly advanced ability to manipulate gravity.

You say the Suncrusher--the most devestating of Wars' weapons and a highly unique one--could destroy stars with one shot.

The Forerunners could realign and scramble entire galaxies by manipulating the axis of them. And again, they used stars as galactic grenades in ship warfare. Flood infestation? blow up the star!

You say the Celestials could handle the Flood? So the Celestials could handle a perfectly designed entity that cannot be definitively killed? Sure, stall the Flood for a while. They'll be back. Its in there nature.

With the Flood, you have a bizzarre situation where the enemy you're fighting is yourself X20 in shear strength and intelligence. It uses its enemy's knowledge and technology against them. Gravemind is infamous for being virtually precognitive in his tactical brilliance, both in military engagements and trickery.

So what happens when the Mind assimilates a Jedi? What happens when Coruscant falls? And it will fall. There is at any time a trillion+ inhabitants on Coruscant, almost all of them nonmilitary, but a significant portion of them people who can handle guns. It'd be an all you can eat buffet. By the time they got to the Jedi or visa versa, the Jedi would be too inferior to handle the immense powers of the Flood. They will die if not by war, then by breathing the infected air around them.

His voice will reign supreme. And when the Jedi Temple falls--and fall it will--then what? All it takes is for a single Jedi to be infected by the Mind for the entire Flood biomass to know the ways of the Force. And when the Mind knows of the Force...its over.

Another thing. The Forerunner's SMALLEST ships--the Planet Breakers, at only 1 kilometer long--are said to be able to destroy planets, given the name. Now imagine the Fortresses, 100 kilomters long.

Imagine a fleet of ships that can destroy planets that number in the quintillions+. I say this because at the tail end of the Flood War, the Forerunners still had a single fleet--just one fleet--that numbered several trillion strong, surrounding the Prophet homeworld and its sister world.

That's an at least planet-destroying supership for every one battle droid in the CIS.

Imagine this same race that built this fleet. Now take them and spread them across 3million worlds. Now give them the ability to scramble an entire galaxy at whim. Give them the ability to use stars as spaceship grenades. Give them the ability to traverse multiple universes. Give them the ability--though they never used it--to traverse between galaxies.

Give their ground forces the capacity to destroy entire continents and planets using just ground weapons. Give the entire race armor that in every way is at least 4 times better then the MJOLNIR Mk 5, at maximum, 9 times as powerful. Now you have a race of Iron Mans with impossible technology.

Now connect this race using a multidimensional information device called the Domain, allowing for their minds to heighten in conscious capability.

Now you have the Forerunner military.

Now multiply this by 2, and you can include both the Forerunners and Ancient Humanity.

Now create a military race of humans who's primary cannon is a tungsten slug fired at hypervilocity points, at its incarnation's weakest, equalling to about a 62 kiloton nuke, strongest at about 56 gigatons. Give their fighter craft 30 megaton nuclear warheads.

Now you have the UNSC Navy.

Create something that incinerated entire planets, primary energy cannons equalling out to about 20 kilotons of force per second of firing. Give their heavy ship's torpedo rounds the equal to a megaton nuclear explosion. Give them the capacity to vaporize a 3 kilometer in diameter asteroid using only torpedoes.

Now we have the Covenant.

Give Humanity a parellel universe guardian. Give it all knowing abilities that in everyway garuntee the survival of humanity, but cannot be seen or technically even heard from. Give them the ability to seamlessly manipulate the fates and destinies of entire civilizations by using subtle trickery and in-the-shadows methods.

Now you have the Assembly.

Now create a galactic plague. Give it the power to adapt nearly instantaniously to any situation. Allow it to reproduce both naturally and by way of infection, and spread faster then the Black Death. Give it a starting population equalling the size of the Forerunners. Give it the capacity to use any technology, to instantly gain the knowledge and abilities of those it infects. Give it the strengths of all those it infects and increase the physical strength and brutality by a factor of 5.

Make it so its undifferientiated Cell can create anything the Plague deams fit for a task, from simple guarding duties to full on tank busting. Now put this virus into the air as well.

Give it a 100% kill rating, and 100% chance of infection rating.

Now give it a near omniscient leader of inconceivable intellect. Now you have the Flood

Now take that inconceivable intellect and multiply it by a population fit to dominate at least an entire universe. Give each citizen the same intellectual capacities.

Now put them on a technological level that make the Forerunners look primitive. Give them technologies no force in the universe can do harm too. Give them immortality, and the ability to manipulate time (read Cryptum. The humans could manipulate time with what they called the Time Bolt).

Make them the unopposed masters of reality. Give them weapons that destroy the conscious being of creatures it kills. Multiply the power of these weapons to a level that technologically make the Forerunners look insignificant.

Now you have the Precursors.

Now we have Halo

And you really think the canon Star Wars universe--that which follows the movies' depiction of things--can fight that???

  • 03.03.2011 3:10 PM PDT

We'll bury our burdens in blood...

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Lightsabers cant block lead

Halo wins


nice

  • 03.03.2011 11:07 PM PDT