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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: rst7503
All Halo v. Star Wars arguments are folly!!! Warhammer 40K beats all


I disagree.

The Forerunner would defeat any warhammer faction.

  • 02.22.2011 8:22 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Remember John
Clones = MASS PRODUCE

Sun Crusher

Stronger you can only use sun crusher to destroy halo universe.

/THREAD


Sentinels=mass produce

Precursor metal

/thread

See what happens,if i follow your logic?

  • 02.22.2011 8:23 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

the Halo universe ca win against any other universe why prcusors the only thing that can destroy their structures are a Halo THE ONLY

  • 02.22.2011 8:54 AM PDT


Posted by: destroys u
If we look at the Old Republic Era of Star Wars

On the ground, there is no contest. Even against Spartans, Jedi/Sith will dominate. No one in the Halo universe could stand a chance against someone like Darth Revan. Even Vader could slaughter Spartans. Also, energy weapons will defeat bullets.



Never read Cryptum, did you? Forerunner terrestrial artillery cannons and starfighters ripped the crust of the Prophet homeworld clean off. When your ground artillery does that, I think the Forerunners win on ground.-

It was so powerful, in fact, the artillery cannon is implied to have to float off the ground elsewise they'd destroy themselves.


Posted by: destroys u
In space, it is hard to tell. Star Wars has one huge advantage: the Star Forge. An infinite number of starships could definitely tilt the battle in their favour.


The Forerunner fleet, at the tail end of the Flood war, had more ships then Coruscant had people. The Forerunners Ecumene had more planets then the Empire had ships.

Considering what their fleets were like at the height of there power, it can be safely said the Forerunners had more ships then the CIS had Droids. Let alone Ancient Humanity and the Precursors, to whom Star Wars can do nothing too.

Then throw in the Flood, who will know where the Star Forge is with just one infection.

  • 02.22.2011 9:06 AM PDT

WAZAAM!!!
herp derp

Well the Halo universe has The Halo Rings while the star wars universe only has the star forge. The troops are very equal. Honestly though, I think Halo would win. Mostly cause the spartans have better equipment and the clones have a shorter life span than the spartans.

  • 02.22.2011 11:43 AM PDT


Posted by: dalcaeus
I like the comparisons of infantry forces. I think that More Elites would win out against Jedi. Only because of the aforementioned aspect of respecting the "disadvantaged" Elites. Jedi, while competent warriors, are not bred for combat the way the Elites are. The Sith however, would use the Elite's honor against them and slaughter them in droves.

As far as Stormtroopers are concerned. Lets not forget that an entire legion of his "best troops" had their collective asses handed to them by midget teddy bears.

It's a movie.

Obviously the Elites are noobs because I can slaughter endless amounts of them during Campaign.

  • 02.22.2011 3:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Fatal Factor
Herp vs derp


herp, dude, obviously herp would win
r u stoopit?

  • 02.22.2011 3:20 PM PDT

"I wanted to make people happy, if only for an hour."
-Busby Berkley

RIP Halo 2

This is a tough one.

  • 02.22.2011 3:22 PM PDT

"No Mission Too Difficult, No Sacrifice Too Great—Duty First!" - The fighting first's motto.

Losing internet 9/7/2012 until i don't know when. See you starside folks.


Fada beo Halo 2!

OH NO! now you've done it! my "space saga" mind is being split in two! arrrrgggg!!!! can't decide which one is better!

  • 02.22.2011 3:26 PM PDT


Posted by: Schulzy3

Posted by: dalcaeus
I like the comparisons of infantry forces. I think that More Elites would win out against Jedi. Only because of the aforementioned aspect of respecting the "disadvantaged" Elites. Jedi, while competent warriors, are not bred for combat the way the Elites are. The Sith however, would use the Elite's honor against them and slaughter them in droves.

As far as Stormtroopers are concerned. Lets not forget that an entire legion of his "best troops" had their collective asses handed to them by midget teddy bears.

It's a movie.

Obviously the Elites are noobs because I can slaughter endless amounts of them during Campaign.


George Lucas' canon policy is that movies supercede everything else. Everything depicted in the movies, and how its depicted (in at least there most recent incarnation, such as the special edition re-release of Episodes 4,5 and 6) is the ultimate in Star Wars canon.

This is part of the reason why I hate these Star Wars vs _____ debates on any site, really. The Star Wars fans always forget the canon policy and get off to these disgusting numbers, like ship weapon power, when if you watch the space battle over Endor you clearly see the Star Destroyers NOT creating novas by shooting their weapons.


My point is: the very fact it is a movie proves his point. Stormtroopers are to Star Wars as Grunts and Jackles are to Halo.

The main thing about the Troopers is that they were created as a symbol for fear. But when it came to actual combat, they weren't the best soldiers. They were pretty good, as are Grunts when properly motivated, but not the best by any means.

I guess you can say that Troopers are dangerous primarily because there's so many of them. With cloning technology, the Empire basically had an endless army.

But for this debate, an endless army composed of biologicals is literally the last thing you want to try and pull off

*ahem* Flood. >.>

  • 02.22.2011 3:42 PM PDT

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KOTOR


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Posted by: rst7503
All Halo v. Star Wars arguments are folly!!! Warhammer 40K beats all


I disagree.

The Forerunner would defeat any warhammer faction.


Really? Can the Forerunners beat Chaos Gods and demons? The Chaos gods can force themselves into the minds of any being, willing or unwilling, except for a select genetic few, but the traits of those few are so poorly understood that it would be difficult, even with Forerunner genetic engineering, to reproduce the traits of those select few (I'm speaking of the Untouchables, blanks, and pariahs).

The Necrons have technology that harvest life essence. It's like a halo array, but instead of merely destroying life, it puts the life essence into something more useful, in this case, energy so that the C'Tan star gods can use. In fact, if the C'Tan star gods reached full power, they could probably use their power to separate the real universe from the unreal universe.

The reason why Warhammer 40K beats Halo and Star Wars is that its lore borders into the supernatural and religious. Once you get into this kind of stuff, argument is basically done. Only gods can kill other gods. (and the Chaos Gods are actual Gods)

[Edited on 02.22.2011 4:15 PM PST]

  • 02.22.2011 4:13 PM PDT


Posted by: rst7503

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: rst7503
All Halo v. Star Wars arguments are folly!!! Warhammer 40K beats all


I disagree.

The Forerunner would defeat any warhammer faction.


Really? Can the Forerunners beat Chaos Gods and demons? The Chaos gods can force themselves into the minds of any being, willing or unwilling, except for a select genetic few, but the traits of those few are so poorly understood that it would be difficult, even with Forerunner genetic engineering, to reproduce the traits of those select few (I'm speaking of the Untouchables, blanks, and pariahs).

The Necrons have technology that harvest life essence. It's like a halo array, but instead of merely destroying life, it puts the life essence into something more useful, in this case, energy so that the C'Tan star gods can use. In fact, if the C'Tan star gods reached full power, they could probably use their power to separate the real universe from the unreal universe.

The reason why Warhammer 40K beats Halo and Star Wars is that its lore borders into the supernatural and religious. Once you get into this kind of stuff, argument is basically done. Only gods can kill other gods. (and the Chaos Gods are actual Gods)


I think he's talking about the mortal factions, not the gods, unless Halo was used, in which they are using the power of Halo's gods (Precursors) to destroy the very fabric of universal consciousness that composes those gods.

Overall though, the Precursors can technically defeat anything, including gods. They cant do anything to the Precursors because of their universal oneness with reality that makes them immortal and their technology completely invincible to anything except a universe weapon (or Neural weapon, like Halo). The only way any other faction could harm the Precursors is to destroy the entire multiverse, including all dimensional planes and universes that the Forerunners and Precursors occupied. Or in layman's terms: comit suicidal multi-dimensional genocide.

But yeah, Star Wars loses because of its lack of god-races, to either 40K or Halo (or Star Trek)

  • 02.22.2011 5:01 PM PDT

Im Han solo

  • 02.22.2011 5:29 PM PDT

We'll bury our burdens in blood...

Spartans would defeat any iteration of clones/stormtroopers. They are trained to be self starters and problem solvers while Clones/troopers are only bred to follow orders.

  • 02.22.2011 6:14 PM PDT

For every one of us who falls, ten more will take his place!

In general I'd say Star Wars would win. The defense force defending Coruscant in Episode 3 numbered about 1000. And that was just a minor defense force. I've read several times that the number of ships in the Star Wars universe has a total of several million warships for both sides in the Clone Wars alone.

On the ground fight side of things....hard to say. From the technology and sheer number of troops in the Star Wars universe, I'd volunteer Star Wars, though the Flood may go to town here.

If you add Halos in I guess the Halo universe wins. Flood would also stand a chance. If the Star Wars commanders would realize the threat of the Flood before they became a large problem I suspect the Flood would be annihilated. If not, well Halo wins. It basically depends either on whether the flood are able to spread to more than 1 planet or there are Halo super weapons involved.

Hard to say, but unless we take in the Forerunners and Precursors into account (of which we don't exactly know their capabilities) or the inability to predict how successful the Flood will be, Star Wars would win.

  • 02.22.2011 6:18 PM PDT
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STOP THE MADNESS PEOPLE!!! yes i know i began saying my side in the begaing, and i warned that a major fan war would start up. They both are great stories and we can always go on and on about factors for who would and its pretty much equal.

  • 02.22.2011 6:22 PM PDT

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KOTOR

It seems that the only way to destroy the Chaos gods of Warhammer 40K is to completely eliminate emotions of the soul, which is primarily what they are made of. I doubt the Precursors, even in all of their technological might, can accomplish such.

In addition, the C'tan Star Gods are quite able to create matter out of nothing, as they are stated to bend the laws of the material universe to their whims. Thus, I would at most give Precursors and the Warhammer 40K Gods a tie. I suppose then that means I should limit the Warhammer 40K to the mortal races, which include the Imperium, Chaos Mortals, Tau, Eldar, Necron, Orks, Dark Eldar, and Old Ones.

The technological prowess of the Necrons I believe are easily a match for the Forerunners, if not surpassing the latter. Necron technology is based on molecular annihilation and some emotion-based weapons that aren't quite understand (I allude to the soul-harvesting properties of the Abattoirs in canon).

With that said, it is quite possible for the Necrons to single-handedly destroy the flood as well, as the powerful Necron force described in canon has been stated to be only a mere scouting force and not the full might of the Necrons that would have been seen in the War in Heaven against the Eldar. The Flood would eventually consume the Orks, Empire, Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Tau, but I doubt they would reach the Intergalactic Stage quick enough to overcome the planet harvesting techniques of a full-fledged Necron military presence. I don't quite know if the Tyranids would succumb to the Flood, and while I believe they possibly may, the Tyranid Synapse complex may pose a small challenge for the Flood

  • 02.22.2011 6:28 PM PDT

We'll bury our burdens in blood...

I know Warhammer 40K is the business, but lets try and stay focused. Maybe post a similar thread?

  • 02.23.2011 7:28 AM PDT

Ignore my gamertag. It's actually Dragonzzilla.

THE FORCE BEATS EVERYTHIN'!

Just kidding. I love both Universes. However, despite Star Wars having a higher tech level than Halo's present species, the Forerunners and Precursors would be scary. This two species are technologically superior to SW; while the Death Star could destroy planets with a 30-minute charging time, the Halo Array could obliterate sentient life in a matter of seconds.

  • 02.23.2011 7:56 AM PDT
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Force ghosts cannot be killed. They exist in a realm so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it.

  • 02.23.2011 12:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Colonel Watts
Force ghosts cannot be killed. They exist in a realm so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it.


This is precisely what Neural Physics is: beyond comprehinsive matters of a physical universe.

Neural Weapons, such as the Halo Array, destroys literally anything with a conscious mind, no matter the "realm" or whatever. If it can interact with the physical realm we know of, or can interact with anything at all, Neural Weapons can destroy them.

By contrast, what would Force Ghosts be capable of doing to the Precursors?

  • 02.23.2011 1:55 PM PDT

We'll bury our burdens in blood...

Alright, another specific question: Energy Sword vs. Lightsaber GO!

  • 02.23.2011 3:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Colonel Watts
Force ghosts cannot be killed. They exist in a realm so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it.


This is precisely what Neural Physics is: beyond comprehinsive matters of a physical universe.

Neural Weapons, such as the Halo Array, destroys literally anything with a conscious mind, no matter the "realm" or whatever. If it can interact with the physical realm we know of, or can interact with anything at all, Neural Weapons can destroy them.
But they're already deadz.

Halo and SW are different universes with different physical laws, in the end these debates are utterly pointless, especially when you introduce factors such as magic. There are no agreed ways in which for example the Force would interect with beings and objects in the Halo universe, or if an AI from Halo would be able to "hack" a computor in SW.

By contrast, what would Force Ghosts be capable of doing to the Precursors?Well, there have been isolated incidents when spirits of ancient Sith Lords have either corrupted the minds of, or even possessed the bodies of Jedi and other explorers, in a similar fashion to the Gravemind and mr OB, perhaps? But this debate could go on forever, and I'll believe I'll concede now before it escalates into needless name-calling over something as trivial as this.

Sorry for my English, it's my third language and I'm new to this site.

[Edited on 02.23.2011 3:44 PM PST]

  • 02.23.2011 3:41 PM PDT