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Subject: Why did Cortana turn rampant?

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According to Halopedia, at the end of Origins, Cortana descends into rampancy after the Chief enters cryo sleep. It suggests this is because of an information overload as Cortana learns of the entire history of the Forerunners.

My question is, where did she learn all this from?

  • 02.22.2011 5:11 AM PDT

She downloaded all the data from Installation 04.

Then she spent time with the gravemind, who flooded her with information and forced her into a rampancy.

After Halo 3, she actually sat down and started sifting through all that data.

Though personally, I think she is in meta-stability, since the previous AI to be affected by a gravemind went into that state after his rampancy.

  • 02.22.2011 5:14 AM PDT

I was thinking that maybe cortana is almost immune to permanent rampancy because in halo Reach they show something about Halsey using forerunner artifact to upgrade cortana?

  • 02.22.2011 5:40 AM PDT


Posted by: juhoxxx
I was thinking that maybe cortana is almost immune to permanent rampancy because in halo Reach they show something about Halsey using forerunner artifact to upgrade cortana?


<_< no...

What you see is a fragment of Cortana who was studying the Forerunner structure.

  • 02.22.2011 5:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
She downloaded all the data from Installation 04.

Then she spent time with the gravemind, who flooded her with information and forced her into a rampancy.

After Halo 3, she actually sat down and started sifting through all that data.


Pretty much this.

She has the entire history of humanity in her brain; she downloaded Installation 04's data from the Control Room; she got quite a bit of data on Installation 05 and High Charity too, plus that in with all the Covenant data she's had to process you end up with a pretty full brain.

We don't know what year Origins takes place in, but if we consider that a sart AI has an operational lifespan of 7 years and Cortana was created in 2549, I'd wager it takes place around 2555/2556.

Though personally, I think she is in meta-stability, since the previous AI to be affected by a gravemind went into that state after his rampancy.

Bias was fragmented and had 100,000 years to consider what he'd done. Plus he is a Forerunner Contender-class AI, much more advanced than Cortana.

It seems he decided to make amends in 2525 when the Philologist, the Minister of Fortitude and Vice-Minister of Tranquility went inside the Dreadnaught and spoke to a fragment of Bias:

"I will reject my bias and make amends... My makers are my masters. I will bring them safely to the Ark"

  • 02.22.2011 6:04 AM PDT

<_< no...

What you see is a fragment of Cortana who was studying the Forerunner structure.

Oh..Thanks. I wasn't really sure what that cortana fragment was doing with Halsey.

  • 02.22.2011 7:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: juhoxxx
<_< no...

What you see is a fragment of Cortana who was studying the Forerunner structure.

Oh..Thanks. I wasn't really sure what that cortana fragment was doing with Halsey.


I'll be fair to you, we never discover what Cortana and Halsey learned from the Latchkey Artefact and likely never will.

  • 02.22.2011 7:06 AM PDT
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She has the entire history of humanity in her brain; she downloaded Installation 04's data from the Control Room; she got quite a bit of data on Installation 05 and High Charity too, plus that in with all the Covenant data she's had to process you end up with a pretty full brain.

After the first firing of the Halo array by the Forerunners that is. Sorry, I just had to.

  • 02.22.2011 7:52 AM PDT

Who knows what she could have done to herself? maybe possible self-upgrading, re-writing her own programming? maybe along with rampancy? Or something else? Perhaps she absorbed fragments of forerunner AI and gravemind influence in addition to just data.

I forget, but it seemed like she was pretty much the most powerful Smart AI made by humanity.

  • 02.22.2011 8:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: draim
She has the entire history of humanity in her brain; she downloaded Installation 04's data from the Control Room; she got quite a bit of data on Installation 05 and High Charity too, plus that in with all the Covenant data she's had to process you end up with a pretty full brain.

After the first firing of the Halo array by the Forerunners that is. Sorry, I just had to.


Oho, fair play.

  • 02.22.2011 8:20 AM PDT

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You know, I just now realized the Ark is the only place the chief visits that Cortana DOESN'T get plugged into. She never got a chance to get that information, though I'm sure it would've sped up her rampancy even more.

But, like others have said, she has information from Installation 04, 05, High Charity, and all the information on humanity she was given when she was created.

Though, to be honest, until I saw origins I could've sworn she had gone through rampancy, passed it, and had gone into Meta stability where she could survive past her 7 year limit.

  • 02.22.2011 8:36 AM PDT
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Yea it certainly seemed like she was on the edge of rampancy throughout H3

  • 02.22.2011 8:40 AM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
You know, I just now realized the Ark is the only place the chief visits that Cortana DOESN'T get plugged into. She never got a chance to get that information, though I'm sure it would've sped up her rampancy even more.

But, like others have said, she has information from Installation 04, 05, High Charity, and all the information on humanity she was given when she was created.

Though, to be honest, until I saw origins I could've sworn she had gone through rampancy, passed it, and had gone into Meta stability where she could survive past her 7 year limit.


+ all the information gravemind dumped into her to try to get her secrets revealed.

People say the halo 3 rampancy was a 'fake' one, but I don't fully believe that.

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Posted by: privet caboose
You know, I just now realized the Ark is the only place the chief visits that Cortana DOESN'T get plugged into. She never got a chance to get that information, though I'm sure it would've sped up her rampancy even more.

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  • 02.22.2011 9:23 AM PDT

I don't think Cortana is rampant at all, or if she is it's a stage kinda midway to Meta Stability. And Origins had some mistakes in there, so, imo, it's hard to tell what's actually canon in that episode. But regardless, I don't think Cortana's in rampancy, she already went through that on High Charity in the clutches of the Gravemind.

  • 02.22.2011 9:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: juhoxxx
<_< no...

What you see is a fragment of Cortana who was studying the Forerunner structure.

Oh..Thanks. I wasn't really sure what that cortana fragment was doing with Halsey.


I'll be fair to you, we never discover what Cortana and Halsey learned from the Latchkey Artefact and likely never will.

they learned where halo was

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Posted by: osicks
Yea it certainly seemed like she was on the edge of rampancy throughout H3
You know something? When I was playing h3 I always heard and thought of cortana as having that ominous ghostly voice. when playing the last mission I heard the real her and was like, "what? wheres that marine talking to me..."

  • 02.22.2011 9:50 AM PDT

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In Origins, it's suggested that she became rampant.

Although, didn't she become metastable at the end of Halo 3? Why yes, I think she did.

  • 02.22.2011 9:56 AM PDT

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she sounded calm on halo(3)

  • 02.22.2011 9:57 AM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa
I don't think Cortana is rampant at all, or if she is it's a stage kinda midway to Meta Stability. And Origins had some mistakes in there, so, imo, it's hard to tell what's actually canon in that episode. But regardless, I don't think Cortana's in rampancy, she already went through that on High Charity in the clutches of the Gravemind.


That's what I believe. Or a good portion of rampancy. I remember somebody said or theorized (forget which) that the mistakes in the Origins tellings were because of her trying to process the data and thus, taking certain parts wrong.


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In Origins, it's suggested that she became rampant.

Although, didn't she become metastable at the end of Halo 3? Why yes, I think she did.


Partly at least (IMO.) I'm hoping next showing of her doesn't outright go "she's rampant!" something along the lines of between rampancy and meta-stability would work for me.

  • 02.22.2011 10:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: juhoxxx
<_< no...

What you see is a fragment of Cortana who was studying the Forerunner structure.

Oh..Thanks. I wasn't really sure what that cortana fragment was doing with Halsey.


I'll be fair to you, we never discover what Cortana and Halsey learned from the Latchkey Artefact and likely never will.

they learned where halo was


No, Cortana already had the coordinates to Halo when she examined the rock at Sigma Octanus IV.

  • 02.22.2011 10:11 AM PDT

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In Origins, it's suggested that she became rampant.

Although, didn't she become metastable at the end of Halo 3? Why yes, I think she did.


Partly at least (IMO.) I'm hoping next showing of her doesn't outright go "she's rampant!" something along the lines of between rampancy and meta-stability would work for me.
You can't be "partially" metastable. Cortana overcame the rampancy that was induced by the massive amounts of data she downloaded and the gravemind.

And there's no way an AI could be "kinda rampant" and "kinda metastable" at the same time.

  • 02.22.2011 10:24 AM PDT

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How can Cortana achieve Meta-stability?

I was under the impression that rampancy is a result of too many memory connections causing feedback loops in the AIs matrix. It is like what happens to us with oxygen radicals in our cells, it kills over time. I don't see how an emotional change of heart can undo a physical limitation.

  • 02.22.2011 10:34 AM PDT


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Posted by: cortana 5
In Origins, it's suggested that she became rampant.

Although, didn't she become metastable at the end of Halo 3? Why yes, I think she did.


Partly at least (IMO.) I'm hoping next showing of her doesn't outright go "she's rampant!" something along the lines of between rampancy and meta-stability would work for me.
You can't be "partially" metastable. Cortana overcame the rampancy that was induced by the massive amounts of data she downloaded and the gravemind.

And there's no way an AI could be "kinda rampant" and "kinda metastable" at the same time.


What I mean is, in the process of achieving metastability. You don't just *DING* and become it.


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How can Cortana achieve Meta-stability?

I was under the impression that rampancy is a result of too many memory connections causing feedback loops in the AIs matrix. It is like what happens to us with oxygen radicals in our cells, it kills over time. I don't see how an emotional change of heart can undo a physical limitation.


It's not quite an emotional change. Rampancy is shown as emotional changes mostly (anger, denial, depression, I think those are the three?)

Meta-stability is the stage of an AI's lifespan after rampancy, where they 'become' a person.

  • 02.22.2011 10:37 AM PDT

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