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Subject: well, here we go again

Halo 2 for Life!

Our views are different. The story was told so well in CE that it blinds others on how "good" of a game it was.

Halo 2 was the champion of the halo games. It had an average to bad story but still was very fun to play through.

Despite its bad story Halo 2 ruled in game play aspects that allowed for its online play to be enjoyable. It wasn't because multi-player reminded us of the story but because it stood alone as having perfectly crafted interactions, movements, and communications among players and created environments.
Posted by: JB 199
Nothing can replace the original Halo Combat Evolved. A remake just won't have the same feel as the original did, in both experience and gameplay.


I'm not saying the blinding greatness of the story caused you to solely think CE was great but it would only help you think that way.

  • 02.24.2011 1:14 AM PDT

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50 in H2/H3? Great, but you still fail at this.


Posted by: JB 199
Nothing can replace the original Halo Combat Evolved. A remake just won't have the same feel as the original did, in both experience and gameplay.

You know, this forum reminds me of a certain BMGf user, who had this huge fail sig on how HGSS was "Ruined Forever" because they replaced the female player character with another.

  • 02.24.2011 6:44 AM PDT
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Actually, no, that's not even a part of why I think it's better. I'm talking completely dependent on Multiplayer. The only two things Halo 2 had on Halo: Combat Evolved was more gametype options and Xbox Live. If you had Halo PC you had many things on Halo 2. You had Halo Custom Edition with tons of user created maps (Most not so good, but, tons that were absolutely amazing). Support for modding. Applications like third party view and Paulus' DevTrainer. A server list where you could actually choose the specific game you want to go into. The ability to make a dedicated server with your own playlists (Now with voting if you have a third party app with it). The gameplay its self was simply more fluent than Halo 2. Halo 2 felt completely unfinished. It felt more like a Beta to a game than an actual game. There were so many glitches that it was insane, but, I have to admit, they were fun glitches. The battle rifle has also never felt consistent to me. It's always seemed buggy.

I'm not saying I don't like Halo 2. I love Halo 2. I'm just saying that I feel Halo: Combat Evolved's multiplayer was better.

By the way, if you have Halo PC you can take care of the no Live problem easily. Xfire and TeamSpeak. I'd prefer both of those over Xbox Live any day.

[Edited on 02.24.2011 6:55 AM PST]

  • 02.24.2011 6:50 AM PDT

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Losing internet 9/7/2012 until i don't know when. See you starside folks.


Fada beo Halo 2!

yeah i used Xfire for CE online, until my computer couldn't handle it anymore.

  • 02.24.2011 7:48 AM PDT

Halo 2 for Life!

It's good you enjoyed it so much. I'm not saying it's horrible... Only bad lol.

H1 had multiplayer issues that H2 corrected for and than advanced. H3 didn't add upon H2 MP by adding things that complicated and wrecked it.

To me H1 MP is really H2. If that makes sense. H2MP was changed so much to make it into a new game that it took it away from what made CE and H2 so good and same for reach.
Posted by: Chief077
yeah i used Xfire for CE online, until my computer couldn't handle it anymore.


[Edited on 02.25.2011 4:04 AM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 4:00 AM PDT
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What were the Halo 1 multiplayer issues that Halo 2 fixed? Also, for 1 fix they might have brought in Halo 2 they gave us 5 problems.

[Edited on 02.25.2011 6:10 AM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 6:04 AM PDT

Halo 2 for Life!

The one weapon system of just having the pistol to do the killing was changed to include multiple weapons having comparable advantages (in magnitude, leading to equally good weapons but different advantages).

interacting with others could allow you to explore the whole maps, it in-couraged team work to achieve things you couldn't do by yourself (sword flying, butterflying, sword canceling)
Jumping was 100% better


It added interesting glitches that could only help with MP, i.e. button combos, superbouncing.

It added bigger hit boxes and auto assist to help prevent lag problems.


More maps

More custom games

faster moving vehicles, that were not indestructible.

an interface system that was easy to get into and communicate in (not slow to do like if you wanted to report someone 1 sec.)

Communication was hard to stop (it was very difficult to mute people quickly)

grenades came out faster to get action to go faster and you didn't have to wait and see it just happened.

Sniper was fast, especially the alien gun.

The new weapons added alot of character to the game. Old weapons being changed allowed for greater verity in weapons i.e. the needler being so weak.

Sticks happened faster.

Less slip in slide on vehicles.

beat downs were faster.

Real weapons and Real Vehicles they put alot of thought and time into.

The physics involved were 100% better

movement was 100% better

Felt like a ninja when jump attacking people

throwing the flag or bomb was funner as it went further but made sense.

no gimmicky weapons or vehicles like flame thrower or mongoose.

no waiting to see the results of what one was doing. I.e. you throw a grenade it lands and you br them in the face was very fast and wasn't much waiting but it was fair if you were that accurate with your weapon.

you could shoot the grenade out of people's hands if you were good enough.

Tanks were weak on the def. but high on the offense and if you were good at the offense you would never die.

crashing warthogs were sweet and you never knew what to expect when slamming into another vehicle to try and throw it off.

I can spend all day doing this so I'll stop for right now lol.

Posted by: Dr Syx
What were the Halo 1 multiplayer issues that Halo 2 fixed? Also, for 1 fix they might have brought in Halo 2 they gave us 5 problems.


[Edited on 02.25.2011 7:01 AM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 6:53 AM PDT

This is the average H2 Fanboy.
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50 in H2/H3? Great, but you still fail at this.


Posted by: totallymassive
I sucked at Halo Custom Ed, and couldn't counter their shots.
DEEEEEEEEEEEERP

  • 02.25.2011 7:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: JacobGRocks
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  • 02.25.2011 7:55 AM PDT
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Posted by: totallymassive
The one weapon system of just having the pistol to do the killing was changed to include multiple weapons having comparable advantages (in magnitude, leading to equally good weapons but different advantages).
Bull. The magnum was good but not unbeatable, nor the only gun used. You play hours online (PC version people!) every day like I do, and you'll know that there's more to it than that.

Posted by: totallymassive
interacting with others could allow you to explore the whole maps, it in-couraged team work to achieve things you couldn't do by yourself (sword flying, butterflying, sword canceling)
Jumping was 100% better
Except these things were all total accidents. They were glitches that messed with gameplay in ways that were not intended, and showed how rushed the game was. Furthermore, they allowed people to cheat for all intents and purposes, beating levels without actually playing them. A problem. Also, the sword flying/canceling needed two swords, good luck with getting those and wasting them without pissing off your teammates.

Posted by: totallymassive
It added interesting glitches that could only help with MP, i.e. button combos, superbouncing.
Glitches are bad, and they made the BR more overpowered than ever, and superbouncing was just unfair, especially if the guy had a sniper, which he almost always did get before trying. It also got a bunch of noobs to waste time during games trying to get these stupid glitches to work and just end up giving away kills.

Posted by: totallymassive
It added bigger hit boxes and auto assist to help prevent lag problems.
Or made the game way to easy to play. Part of the reason the magnum wasn't overpowered in CE.

Posted by: totallymassive
More maps
The one thing Halo 2 actually did have was some good maps.

Posted by: totallymassive
More custom games


Posted by: totallymassive
faster moving vehicles, that were not indestructible.
Kind of pointless, vehicles were good in CC, this was just unnecessary.

Posted by: totallymassive
an interface system that was easy to get into and communicate in (not slow to do like if you wanted to report someone 1 sec.)
This was for XBL, something that didn't exist in CE. Not a fair comparison. Was anything actually wrong with CE's interface? I didn't think so.

Posted by: totallymassive
Communication was hard to stop (it was very difficult to mute people quickly)
What, and it was easy to stop in CE?

Posted by: totallymassive
grenades came out faster to get action to go faster and you didn't have to wait and see it just happened.
Nades were fine and balanced, part of the skill was getting the timing right. Skill removed, game worse. Besides, faster gameplay=less time for you to use tactics/strategies. I cite modern warfare 2.

Posted by: totallymassive
Sniper was fast, especially the alien gun.
Wow, you don't even know it's name? Besides, the sniper was balanced in CE, this was not needed (or wouldn't be if stupid hitboxes made it easy for someone with a BR to -blam!- you too fast).

Posted by: totallymassive
The new weapons added alot of character to the game. Old weapons being changed allowed for greater verity in weapons i.e. the needler being so weak.
New weapons were bad and weak. Duel wielding ruined balanced, and thus we lost the AR and got SMG starts instead, BR overpowered, sword overpowered, noob combo came to be. Needler didn't suck that bad in CE. Really, what's the point of all these new weapons if all you ever used was the BR and something else?

Posted by: totallymassive
Sticks happened faster.
Because stickies were sooo bad in CE right? We totally needed faster stickies.

Posted by: totallymassive
Less slip in slide on vehicles.
What I miss most from CE, it was great for splatering.

Posted by: totallymassive
beat downs were faster.
You mean insane? Check out the hitbox size, you almost didn't even need to be looking at the guy to get a glitched up double beatdown/BXR.

Posted by: totallymassive
Real weapons and Real Vehicles they put alot of thought and time into.
I'm sorry, what? Unless you're calling the covie stuff real, then you're stuck with one new turret for your warhog (so what about there real vehicles?), and SMGs that sounded like staple guns as opposed to the good AR, magnums that are useless, snipers that fire stupidly fast for any normal human to use, and the BR, which was overpowered.

Posted by: totallymassive
The physics involved were 100% better
Hardly, have you seen the glitches in the physics? Only a few visual things were actually improved, and prettiness is irrelevant to game play.

Posted by: totallymassive
movement was 100% better
I'm not sure how, CE was fine as far as movement goes.

Posted by: totallymassive
Felt like a ninja when jump attacking people
What was any different from CE? Also, this is a subjective point, and not relevant.

Posted by: totallymassive
throwing the flag or bomb was funner as it went further but made sense.
'funner'? Really?

Posted by: totallymassive
no gimmicky weapons or vehicles like flame thrower or mongoose.
Neither of which existed in CE.

Posted by: totallymassive
no waiting to see the results of what one was doing. I.e. you throw a grenade it lands and you br them in the face was very fast and wasn't much waiting but it was fair if you were that accurate with your weapon.


Posted by: totallymassive
you could shoot the grenade out of people's hands if you were good enough.
Never seen it done, this sounds fluky and dumb.

Posted by: totallymassive
Tanks were weak on the def. but high on the offense and if you were good at the offense you would never die.
So easy to kill tanks are good and realistic right?

Posted by: totallymassive
crashing warthogs were sweet and you never knew what to expect when slamming into another vehicle to try and throw it off.
Have you ever played CE?

Posted by: totallymassive
I can spend all day doing this so I'll stop for right now lol.
Good, your poor grammar is starting to hurt my head.

  • 02.25.2011 9:34 AM PDT

This is the average H2 Fanboy.
Xfire: JacobGRocks.
50 in H2/H3? Great, but you still fail at this.

Glad someone took the time to write a rebuttal. Tottalymassive is what's wrong with most of BNet. They think Halo 2 is the best because it took no skill.

  • 02.25.2011 9:57 AM PDT
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Thank you "Notanoob7" I was worried I'd have to go through the trouble of typing all that out.

The only two things I need to add is this:

To the communication argument: Like I said before, if you use Xfire you can mimic Xbox LIVE chat. With Xfire voice chat you won't have anyone on there that will need to be muted. Unless it's one of your friends, which, you can mute in a timely fashion just like Xbox Live. It doesn't offer open game chat, but, in reality, that was just used to insult people/act like children on Xbox LIVE anyways. People kid themselves thinking that they used open game chat on Halo 2 for strategy.

Also, there was a flamethrower. It really didn't take much skill to use it at all in Halo PC. It had too much fuel and was too devastating. It's one thing you can point to and say it took little skill in Combat Evolved where as you could point to almost everything in h2 as taking no skill.

(P.S. You proved what I said before. Every "fix" you listed added tons of problems to the game.)

[Edited on 02.25.2011 10:50 AM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 10:01 AM PDT

Halo 2 for Life!

We both have our opinions but don't think your opinion is fact and attack.
Take time instead, to explain your opinion and use counter arguments that are well thought out to prevent attacking language as I will not read or respond to you again if you don't.

Saying "wrong" doesn't make you right it draws out how little thought you bestowed on the words you orchestrated.

The other peson that commented I will not respond to as they were rude and I've never seen them before.

I only answered you because I've seen you in these forums before and I will accept a bit of rudeness if you are willing to open your mind and stop being rude in the future but I will not accept further rudeness as I wont respond if that happens.
Posted by: Dr Syx
Thank you "Notanoob7" I was worried I'd have to go through the trouble of typing all that out.

The only two things I need to add is this:

To the communication argument: Like I said before, if you use Xfire you can mimic Xbox LIVE chat. With Xfire voice chat you won't have anyone on there that will need to be muted. Unless it's one of your friends, which, you can mute in a timely fashion just like Xbox Live. It doesn't offer open game chat, but, in reality, that was just used to insult people/act like children on Xbox LIVE anyways. People kid themselves thinking that they used open game chat on Halo 2 for strategy.

Also, there was a flamethrower. It really didn't take much skill to use it at all in Halo PC. It had too much fuel and was too devastating. It's one thing you can point to and say it took little skill in Combat Evolved where as you could point to almost everything in h2 as taking no skill.

(P.S. You proved what I said before. Every "fix" you listed added tons of problems to the game.)


[Edited on 02.25.2011 6:27 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 6:23 PM PDT
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How was I being rude? When did I say you were wrong? I presented my side of the argument, that's it. I can't see how I was being rude in the least. Also, don't say I put little thought into what I said. What I said was well thought out. Personally, I thought your statement about how Halo 2 didn't have gimmicky things such as the mongoose well thought out seeing as though Halo: Combat Evolved didn't have that vehicle. In fact, it was supposed to be in Halo 2.

I'm not meaning anything at all personally by discussing something about a video game on a forum. I don't work that way. In fact, JacobGRocks and I bump heads more than we agree on the forums, but, he was one of the first people I've messaged about for advice. I don't mean to come off as rude, but, if I do, I'm sorry.

[Edited on 02.25.2011 6:35 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 6:30 PM PDT

Halo 2 for Life!

... Well you posting 3 minutes after I post might be a sign that you are not giving a good thought to what I said... Which is rude in and of itself. No you present how I was wrong. There is a major difference.

lol I posted 3 minutes after you posted... ok Think about how possibly you could be rude before posting. I posted so quickly because you were asking something I already understood well and thoght you might ask after my post.


Posted by: Dr Syx
How was I being rude? When did I say you were wrong? I presented my side of the argument, that's it. I can't see how I was being rude in the least.


[Edited on 02.25.2011 6:36 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 6:33 PM PDT
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When did I post 3 minutes after you? In fact, that's what you just did. I edited to add more to my post you quoted here, too.

I wasn't saying "Haha, you're wrong, go stfu." I was putting forth my opinion on what you said. The only part where I could possibly be rude is in the part where I was saying that open game chat was hardly ever used for team tactical purposes but for harassing other people. I still stand by that. I don't mean to be rude when saying it, but, that's just how it is to me.

Also, you saying that my post wasn't well thought out is pretty rude its self.

[Edited on 02.25.2011 6:45 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 6:37 PM PDT

Halo 2 for Life!

It's not well thought out if it's rude...

  • 02.25.2011 6:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: totallymassive
It's not well thought out if it's rude...
I still don't understand how it was rude.

  • 02.25.2011 6:49 PM PDT

Halo 2 for Life!

If you were to say I accept our differences and this is why I like CE we both could contrast our positions instead of you just sniping at my view point. If I'm willing to tell you my view, I expect the same from you so we can discuss without being rude.

It takes time and thought to discover your own postion and it will change with time as you recall more, learn more, and things change. It takes little time to attack and be rude. Just say "wrong" (i.e. it's the oppisite), see very easy.

[Edited on 02.25.2011 6:53 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 6:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: totallymassive
If you were to say I accept our differences and this is why I like CE we both could contrast our positions instead of you just sniping at my view point. If I'm willing to tell you my view, I expect the same from you so we can discuss without being rude.
I do accept your view points. I already told you that I love Halo 2. In fact, I just got done playing it. You were saying that Halo 2's multiplayer was better for these reasons, so, I simply showed how to make it to where Halo PC has all those same features. I do accept our difference on the subject, but, discussion is discussion. I'm not being rude by discussing how Halo: Combat Evolved has ways to have things that you say it doesn't have.

Truth is, it's not rude to do what I did. What I did was tell my views on the subject. If I was being rude then you were as well. I wasn't attacking you. I was discussing why your points in the communication part of your discussion wasn't completely true seeing as though you could use Xfire for most of the things you said you couldn't do on Halo: Combat Evolved.

You need to stop taking things so personally and believing people are trying to attack you. I'm not an enemy, I promise. If you ever needed help with anything, I'd help. If I were attacking I'd be throwing around the "Halo 2 Noobified" video saying "You suck!"

[Edited on 02.25.2011 7:13 PM PST]

  • 02.25.2011 7:00 PM PDT

"No Mission Too Difficult, No Sacrifice Too Great—Duty First!" - The fighting first's motto.

Losing internet 9/7/2012 until i don't know when. See you starside folks.


Fada beo Halo 2!

Posted by: Grumpy1
Posted by: JB 199
Nothing can replace the original Halo Combat Evolved. A remake just won't have the same feel as the original did, in both experience and gameplay.
Agreed and it will be the same for H2 if there is a remake someday. Funny part is, I will buy them if they become available.


i'd buy 'em, you know why? because Halo 2 is the best game ever!

  • 02.25.2011 8:17 PM PDT

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