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Subject: Lets talk about Sangheili life.

I am the 21st century Jim Jones

Specifically civil life.

We really only see The Sangheili race, arguably the most compelling race of The Covenant in clunky armor on a battlefield.

We have had some brief views of what Sangheili civil life was like in The Duel, but then again it is argued that a lot of portrayals in Halo Legends should not be treated as Canon. We also have insight to some traditions and practices that mirror Feudal Japan thanks to The Cole Protocol, however it does not give us the big picture.

Another question, what about Sangheili females?


Lets discuss.

  • 02.23.2011 7:04 PM PDT

I'm not sure what you're looking for.

"Reckless words pierce like a sword, but the tongue of the wise brings healing" -- Proverbs 12:18

"What about Sangheili females"

God, you just reminded me of I Love Thel's Fanfics.

  • 02.23.2011 7:06 PM PDT

I am the 21st century Jim Jones


Posted by: WhiterRain12
"What about Sangheili females"

God, you just reminded me of I Love Thel's Fanfics.


Don't know what that is, elaborate?

  • 02.23.2011 7:17 PM PDT


Posted by: scene4kaos
Specifically civil life.

We really only see The Sangheili race, arguably the most compelling race of The Covenant in clunky armor on a battlefield.

We have had some brief views of what Sangheili civil life was like in The Duel, but then again it is argued that a lot of portrayals in Halo Legends should not be treated as Canon. We also have insight to some traditions and practices that mirror Feudal Japan thanks to The Cole Protocol, however it does not give us the big picture.

Another question, what about Sangheili females?


Lets discuss.


I think everything in the duel, except for the appearance of Han, is canon, albeit things might be entirely different in the main Halo story's age, IE Halo Wars-3.

As for the females, I'd imagine, guessing from what we know of the Elite's culture and how it's a whole "rank and position by merit" sort of governance, that the females would be just as active in military service as the males, and I'd imagine they probably look somewhat similar too. I don't know how much dimorphism there is between the two, if there really is any.

  • 02.23.2011 7:19 PM PDT

Ignore my gamertag. It's actually Dragonzzilla.

Actually, Female Sangheili aren't allowed to partake in the Military.

  • 02.23.2011 8:13 PM PDT


Posted by: Dragonzzilla
Actually, Female Sangheili aren't allowed to partake in the Military.


I'll believe it when I see it, that has not been said anywhere in canon as far as I have seen. Everyone I have seen saying that has had no factual evidence to back it up other than their own assumptions, from what we know of the Elites, I think it's far safer to assume that both genders take equal part in the military.

it's especially safe to assume that their are female Sangheili in the Covenant military as the other races have females in about equal roles as the males, I believe there was mention of a female Minor Prophet? And we know there is at least one Jackal Shipmistress, and no one treats it as an odd occurance.

  • 02.23.2011 9:07 PM PDT

Man is born free but everywhere he is in chains.

I hope the females are nothing like that one in "the Duel" that just creeped me out that the animators tried to -blam!-ize an elite... UGH.

The Beastarium talks of elites. In their culture they don't let sword wielders marry, but can mate with several females to pass on the sword wielding hereditary line.
They probably place a high emphasis on honor and clan loyalty.

  • 02.23.2011 9:14 PM PDT

I'm dual-weildin' mah SMG's!

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: scene4kaos
Specifically civil life.

We really only see The Sangheili race, arguably the most compelling race of The Covenant in clunky armor on a battlefield.

We have had some brief views of what Sangheili civil life was like in The Duel, but then again it is argued that a lot of portrayals in Halo Legends should not be treated as Canon. We also have insight to some traditions and practices that mirror Feudal Japan thanks to The Cole Protocol, however it does not give us the big picture.

Another question, what about Sangheili females?


Lets discuss.


I think everything in the duel, except for the appearance of Han, is canon, albeit things might be entirely different in the main Halo story's age, IE Halo Wars-3.

As for the females, I'd imagine, guessing from what we know of the Elite's culture and how it's a whole "rank and position by merit" sort of governance, that the females would be just as active in military service as the males, and I'd imagine they probably look somewhat similar too. I don't know how much dimorphism there is between the two, if there really is any.


Fal used an Energy sword
Sword users are Aristocrats
Aristocrats aren't allowed to Marry
Fal has a wife
FAIL

  • 02.24.2011 4:36 AM PDT


Posted by: NinjaChicken197
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: scene4kaos
Specifically civil life.

We really only see The Sangheili race, arguably the most compelling race of The Covenant in clunky armor on a battlefield.

We have had some brief views of what Sangheili civil life was like in The Duel, but then again it is argued that a lot of portrayals in Halo Legends should not be treated as Canon. We also have insight to some traditions and practices that mirror Feudal Japan thanks to The Cole Protocol, however it does not give us the big picture.

Another question, what about Sangheili females?


Lets discuss.


I think everything in the duel, except for the appearance of Han, is canon, albeit things might be entirely different in the main Halo story's age, IE Halo Wars-3.

As for the females, I'd imagine, guessing from what we know of the Elite's culture and how it's a whole "rank and position by merit" sort of governance, that the females would be just as active in military service as the males, and I'd imagine they probably look somewhat similar too. I don't know how much dimorphism there is between the two, if there really is any.


Fal used an Energy sword
Sword users are Aristocrats
Aristocrats aren't allowed to Marry
Fal has a wife
FAIL


This was also way back when being Arbiter was a good thing. Times may have changed over 5000 years.

Anyway, 343 regards everything in Legends--'cept Odd One Out of course--as canon, including the female Elites.

  • 02.24.2011 5:39 AM PDT

Finnaly!Someone with a topic on my speciality.

Civilian Life: I say that multiple proffesions, scholar, farmer, dancer, the dreaded doctor. They live in small towns all over Sanghelios, not much of a money system, mostly trading.

Females: Facially, similar to the males, but smaller mouth, bigger eyes. Overall, more beautiful. Live birth (halo the cole protocal), but wether they have breasts will be an ongoing argument among fans.

My case

  • 02.24.2011 6:04 AM PDT

Sangheili Major: "Brute ships. Staggered line! Shipmaster, they outnumber us, three-to-one!"

Rtas 'Vadum: "Then it is an even fight. All Cruisers, fire at will! Burn their mongrel hides!"

ShoopWoop17: Might I ask, where in the Cole Protocol does it say that they give live birth? I've only ever heard of them laying eggs, and one of the other books -not sure which one- hints that they lay eggs, as it mentions something about "hatching"

Regardless of what has been proven canon for Legends, I am reluctant to believe that the female Sangheili have that appearance. It just...doesn't seem right. And breasts don't make sense either with the mouths they have.

  • 02.24.2011 6:53 AM PDT

*reminisces when the Bungie/Halo community wasn't made up of CoD kids*
*sighs*
*activates time-machine and sets the clock back to Nov. 9, 2004*
glory days here I come..
*vanishes*

The Sangheili.

They are reptilian, possibly cold blooded, and they definitely lay eggs.

Their average IQ is similar to the average human IQ, but in some cases Sangheili are more intelligent.

Sangheili are a very old species. That explains why they very advanced even before The Covenant found them.

Their culture is similar to that of Feudal Japan, particularly Samurai.

Their average height is 8'. However, there are a few individuals that are even taller.

Sangheili females were playable in Halo 3, they looked very similar to males, but in Halo Legends they looked very different.

I wonder if Sangheili sub-species exist?

  • 02.24.2011 7:21 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: NinjaChicken197
Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: scene4kaos
Specifically civil life.

We really only see The Sangheili race, arguably the most compelling race of The Covenant in clunky armor on a battlefield.

We have had some brief views of what Sangheili civil life was like in The Duel, but then again it is argued that a lot of portrayals in Halo Legends should not be treated as Canon. We also have insight to some traditions and practices that mirror Feudal Japan thanks to The Cole Protocol, however it does not give us the big picture.

Another question, what about Sangheili females?


Lets discuss.


I think everything in the duel, except for the appearance of Han, is canon, albeit things might be entirely different in the main Halo story's age, IE Halo Wars-3.

As for the females, I'd imagine, guessing from what we know of the Elite's culture and how it's a whole "rank and position by merit" sort of governance, that the females would be just as active in military service as the males, and I'd imagine they probably look somewhat similar too. I don't know how much dimorphism there is between the two, if there really is any.


Fal used an Energy sword
Sword users are Aristocrats
Aristocrats aren't allowed to Marry
Fal has a wife
FAIL


This was also way back when being Arbiter was a good thing. Times may have changed over 5000 years.

Anyway, 343 regards everything in Legends--'cept Odd One Out of course--as canon, including the female Elites.


Pretty much what I was saying, that was showing how their life was way back when, and if the position of Arbiter can change from one of honor to one of shame, then the way things work for sword masters can change too, and even if it was the same back then as in the current Halo story I don't think there's anything that prevents a sword master from having a "wife" in everything by name, IE, having a particular favorite that lives with them. Yes, that is not an entirely plausible theory, but eh, whatever, it's all I got :P

  • 02.24.2011 8:39 AM PDT

Shoop, you obviously forgot about our debate on DA. I've read the Cole Protocol and I would have picked up on any evidence of live birth in it: best you provice a page number for your claim. I gave a canon source that they lay eggs, not live birth (the comic Bloodlines, Issue #3: yes that is canon!). And since they lay eggs, no need for breasts (and it personally drives me nuts to see artists putting breasts on them. :P).

BTW, shouldn't we clarify/make a list of what we do know about Sangheili civilian life first before speculating? I'll start it up for you guys:

- non-military Sangheili doing domestic jobs are referred to as 'serfs' (The Cole Protocol)
- it is suggested they do practice a form of poligamy (again, The Cole Protocol).
- Most Sangheili never leave the home world (Halo Encyclopedia, pg 299)
- Houses are very simple and a rather sparse on the furniture (The Duel, plus concept art for The Duel. Though concept art is always questionable in terms of canon)
- (just some info on the planet itself, to help visualize what they may wear) Sanghelios is in a triple star system, located on the inner most edge of the habitable zone (Halo Encyclopedia, pg 124). Two moons, which means in addition to the gravitational pull from the three suns means the environment is harsh and 'chaotic', but otherwise is very similar to Earth in terms of size, gravity atmosphere and variation in temperature and vegetation. (Halo Encyclopedia, pg 299).

I'm sure I missed some things. Please site sources though.

  • 02.24.2011 9:11 AM PDT

Sangheili Major: "Brute ships. Staggered line! Shipmaster, they outnumber us, three-to-one!"

Rtas 'Vadum: "Then it is an even fight. All Cruisers, fire at will! Burn their mongrel hides!"

If they gave live birth they would -I think- go through a menstruation period, thus losing honor. LOL. That was partially a joke, but, eh.

I'm still really curious as to how the hell they have tongues...I can't imagine it, but it was mentioned in the Cole Protocol.

  • 02.24.2011 10:01 AM PDT

Nice to see you too Slas.
Thel states Sangheili are born. But in Blood Line, Reff or Thon says hatched. If they were cold-blooded, they couldnt be at places like Installation 04, Harvest, or other snowy ares.
No legends aint canon.
Losing honor in birth. I would consider birth a battle. Its painful.
But I am preaching to the converted. Ooh, ah. We have no info. But speculation. Lets not fight, this is for ideas. Not proving others wrong.

[Edited on 02.24.2011 10:21 AM PST]

  • 02.24.2011 10:17 AM PDT

I am the 21st century Jim Jones

You can still give live birth yet be reptilian. This is shown with the Garter Snake.

I think the fact that their reproductive system is internal (as seen in Halo 2) is a tell-tale sign of being reptilian.

It could possibly vary between subspecies.

  • 02.24.2011 10:23 AM PDT

I tried the subspecies thing. Slaskia proved me wrong. Dont do it. It ends badly.
And you can, but reptiles cant live in cold. I say they are half-saurian, half-mammalian. Saurian and Reptilian are different.

[Edited on 02.24.2011 10:28 AM PST]

  • 02.24.2011 10:26 AM PDT

I am the 21st century Jim Jones


Posted by: ShoopWoop17
I tried the subspecies thing. Slaskia proved me wrong. Dont do it. It ends badly.
And you can, but reptiles cant live in cold. I say they are half-saurian, half-mammalian. Saurian and Reptilian are different.


Then again, the Elites battlesuit could double as a life support system. This is like how Unggoy can't breathe air, therefore they have a methane tank.

  • 02.24.2011 10:34 AM PDT

New overrides old, canon wise. Bloodlines came after Cole Protocol (plus it is possible Buckell was not informed about the hatching thing).

Sorry, but Legends is canon (save for 'Odd One Out'). Artistic appearances though is debateable.

Different sub-species would not be genetically compatible. An egg-laying species cannot produce viable offspring with a species that gives live birth. Even closely related species that share the same method of reproduction are not likely to produce fertile offspring. (e.g.: horses and donkeys produce sterile mules. Bottle nosed and spotted dolphins result in a sterile hybrid as well.)

Blech...I am starting to ramble here (and go off topic). Let's focus on Sangheili civilain life....

Edit: we don't know for sure if Sangheili are cold or warm blooded to begin with. They may resemble reptiles, but that doesn't mean they are cold-blooded like them.

[Edited on 02.24.2011 10:47 AM PST]

  • 02.24.2011 10:45 AM PDT

Ever thought they didnt give it thought. That it was the authors artistic impression.
You know what I mean.

That last one (not the blood) sounds good.

  • 02.24.2011 10:58 AM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.

Actually, the females does not have mandibles.

  • 02.24.2011 1:47 PM PDT

I read somewhere that they believe visiting and being a docotor is dis-honourable. However I do not have a source on this I just saw it some where on the forums so I'm not sure whether it's true or not.

  • 02.24.2011 2:24 PM PDT


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy
Actually, the females does not have mandibles.


In the Duel, yes, but that is only artistic interpretation, it is not necessarily canon. The events of Halo Legends are one hundred percent canon, but small features, such as how a character looks or something like that is not necessarily canon, like Han's appearance or the armor of the Big Bad in the Duel.

  • 02.24.2011 2:33 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy
Actually, the females does not have mandibles.


In the Duel, yes, but that is only artistic interpretation, it is not necessarily canon. The events of Halo Legends are one hundred percent canon, but small features, such as how a character looks or something like that is not necessarily canon, like Han's appearance or the armor of the Big Bad in the Duel.

It's canon until proven utherwise. There's no need for speculation upon this regard as of now.

  • 02.24.2011 2:43 PM PDT

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