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Subject: How did Kat manage to be chosen for Noble team ?

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Her skills don't seem adequate for any spartan.
Then again she does have hacking knowledge, but what about the many other spartan IIIs "worthier" to don mjolnir armor ?

Same goes for Jorge, a veteran sparant II, who seems to always be corrected by Carter.

  • 02.24.2011 8:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Kat is lame, Jorge is awesome.

  • 02.24.2011 9:01 PM PDT

Kat is tactical, thought of the plan to bring the fight to the Covenant.

  • 02.24.2011 9:03 PM PDT

Great Scott!

Agreed.
Posted by: Tucker 051
Kat is lame, Jorge is awesome.

  • 02.24.2011 10:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
Kat is tactical, thought of the plan to bring the fight to the Covenant.

That and she's a genius when it comes to hacking.

  • 02.24.2011 10:36 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.

She f***ed Carter, it's as simple as that.

  • 02.25.2011 8:29 PM PDT

I think what we have to remember about Noble team are, while they have the same genetic profile as Spartan IIs, and use a (less powerful maybe?) variant of Mjolnir, they do not have the training that a Spartan II has, both in war and Mjolnir usage. They were never meant to survive, more to be a giant pain in the Covenants arse.

That is why they, some more than others, don't seem to be as good as Chief or the IIs.


I like to believe Jorge is a ressurected or repaired washout II. This is why he was assigned to Noble. He would never be able to fight as a II, but he was too able to be left to rot at ONI. So they turned him into an invunerable walking turret to give Noble mobile fire support wherever they go.

  • 02.26.2011 12:57 AM PDT

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Nah, I think Jorge is a normal Spartan 2 but somehow got rotated to Noble because they need at least 1 buff guy to look buff in front of the enemy. AND that he has gin in that barrel of his to treat the team

  • 02.26.2011 1:45 AM PDT


Posted by: PhantomOfTOpera
Nah, I think Jorge is a normal Spartan 2 but somehow got rotated to Noble because they need at least 1 buff guy to look buff in front of the enemy. AND that he has gin in that barrel of his to treat the team


"Oh jolly good, now we've slaughtered the hordes, who's up for a G&T? Anyone?" Trolololol

  • 02.26.2011 1:56 AM PDT


Posted by: RotaryCookie
I think what we have to remember about Noble team are, while they have the same genetic profile as Spartan IIs,


No they don't, spartan IIIs have a much wider genetic pool than that of the spartan twos. After all their selection process consisted mostly of;

1. Parents dead
2. Planet destroyed by Covies
3. Young
4. ???
5. Profit

  • 02.26.2011 2:13 AM PDT

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Her in game AI is as good as any of the Spartans'. She was invaluable in many parts when I played Oni LASO, beating the shields off elites.

In fiction, she's as though as any Spartan.

  • 02.26.2011 2:18 AM PDT


Posted by: RotaryCookie
I think what we have to remember about Noble team are, while they have the same genetic profile as Spartan IIs, and use a (less powerful maybe?) variant of Mjolnir, they do not have the training that a Spartan II has, both in war and Mjolnir usage. They were never meant to survive, more to be a giant pain in the Covenants arse.

That is why they, some more than others, don't seem to be as good as Chief or the IIs.


I like to believe Jorge is a ressurected or repaired washout II. This is why he was assigned to Noble. He would never be able to fight as a II, but he was too able to be left to rot at ONI. So they turned him into an invunerable walking turret to give Noble mobile fire support wherever they go.



Noble Team used the exact same armor as Master Chief used, Mark V. Different appearance, same armor.

Spartan III training is actually labeled as better then Spartan II training <_<. I'm also not seeing why a 'ressed or treated' washout Spartan II wouldn't be able to perform as well as the others.

(To those saying Spartan threes had a slightly wider range of genetic profiles, that is true, however Noble Team members had the Spartan II genetic profile.)

Though, if the OP is basing ability of AI scripting, lol. AI behavior does not = character traits.

  • 02.26.2011 2:26 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Noble Team used the exact same armor as Master Chief used, Mark V. Different appearance, same armor.


Mark V(B) is what Noble uses. I refuse to believe it's the same. It is clearly Mk IV with shields. :S See Cole Protocol cover art.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Spartan III training is actually labeled as better then Spartan II training <_<. I'm also not seeing why a 'ressed or treated' washout Spartan II wouldn't be able to perform as well as the others.


Most would, but every case in individual. Jorge, clearly for some reason is either a washout who is not as good as a Spartan II, or is a retard they gave Mjolnir to as a joke. I vote for washout because I like him.

No, SIII training was different, focussing on team tactics, more like conventional Special forces (oxymoron?) than the lone wolf super soldier training on the SII.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

(To those saying Spartan threes had a slightly wider range of genetic profiles, that is true, however Noble Team members had the Spartan II genetic profile.)

Though, if the OP is basing ability of AI scripting, lol. AI behavior does not = character traits.


Indeed.

  • 02.26.2011 4:05 AM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

*Facedesk*
Noble taem uses the same armour as the chief did in halo ce.

It just has a diffrent look.

It's not *mark iv with sheilds* No way could mark 4 deal with AAs. Hell mark iv only had 1 look.

  • 02.26.2011 4:24 AM PDT


Posted by: ferrrari
*Facedesk*
Noble team uses the same armour as the chief did in halo ce.

It just has a different look.

It's not *mark iv with shields* No way could mark 4 deal with AAs. Hell mark iv only had 1 look.


The problem is, Mark IV has had several appearance as well. Legends, Halo Wars, Cole protocal(which could be a customized version of it.)

Currently, Mark V(B), as we know it, is only a helm. They never say otherwise. I'm not seeing why there would be a version of it which is 'weaker', as Noble Team had the Spartan II genetics...

  • 02.26.2011 4:48 AM PDT
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I'm not sure why people would give a crap about genetics in the first place because it has little to no effect on combat effectiveness.

It should be obvious once the technology and medical care gets further the candidates gets wider, because it's not as strict anymore.

  • 02.26.2011 5:05 AM PDT


Posted by: manwith
I'm not sure why people would give a crap about genetics in the first place because it has little to no effect on combat effectiveness.

It should be obvious once the technology and medical care gets further the candidates gets wider, because it's not as strict anymore.


Uh, yeah it does. Take Usain Bolt. There are sure as hell people who train harder then him, but he's the fastest man in the world because of his genes. This can be applied in a broader sense to any characteristic.

Yes training is essential, but a team of soldiers with world class training, against a same sized team of the forty best candidates in the world, with the same training will lose.

  • 02.26.2011 5:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: Lt Leitner

Posted by: manwith
I'm not sure why people would give a crap about genetics in the first place because it has little to no effect on combat effectiveness.

It should be obvious once the technology and medical care gets further the candidates gets wider, because it's not as strict anymore.


Uh, yeah it does. Take Usain Bolt. There are sure as hell people who train harder then him, but he's the fastest man in the world because of his genes. This can be applied in a broader sense to any characteristic.

Yes training is essential, but a team of soldiers with world class training, against a same sized team of the forty best candidates in the world, with the same training will lose.


Except we don't know exactly if Spartan-III's have worse, the same, or better genes compared to Spartan-II's because S-III candidates weren't around by the time the Spartan-II program started.

Kurt even says in one of his letter to Mendez that Halsey would have chosen Noble Team if she had had the chance.

We know Kelly is the fastest human ever in the Halo universe, but that doesn't make her any better than other Spartans. In fact, there are most most casualties in a Spartan team Kelly was part of.


[Edited on 02.26.2011 6:16 AM PST]

  • 02.26.2011 6:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Who said Kat isnt able? She and Carter are the only surviving members from the original NOBLE team. What about all those other Spartan´s that have died?

Kat is more than worthy, she only died for a lapse in situational awarness. The same as the rest of Noble team, nobody saw the Field Marshall in the Phantom.

I dont know why people think Kat is so pathetic, just because gameplay AI makes her dumb(as pretty much the rest of Noble Team and Troopers) dosent mean she really would be.

  • 02.26.2011 6:18 AM PDT


Posted by: manwith
Posted by: Lt Leitner

Posted by: manwith
I'm not sure why people would give a crap about genetics in the first place because it has little to no effect on combat effectiveness.

It should be obvious once the technology and medical care gets further the candidates gets wider, because it's not as strict anymore.


Uh, yeah it does. Take Usain Bolt. There are sure as hell people who train harder then him, but he's the fastest man in the world because of his genes. This can be applied in a broader sense to any characteristic.

Yes training is essential, but a team of soldiers with world class training, against a same sized team of the forty best candidates in the world, with the same training will lose.


Except we don't know exactly if Spartan-III's have worse, the same, or better genes compared to Spartan-II's because S-III candidates weren't around by the time the Spartan-II program started.

Kurt even says in one of his letter to Mendez that Halsey would have chosen Noble Team if she had had the chance.

We know Kelly is the fastest human ever in the Halo universe, but that doesn't make her any better than other Spartans. In fact, there are most most casualties in a Spartan team Kelly was part of.


Spartan III's got every kid that had Spartan II genetic requirement. To fill in the gap they slowly expanded the field, as medical advanced made the augmentations much more adaptable/no washouts.

  • 02.26.2011 6:44 AM PDT

Kat and Carter are the only surviving members of the original noble team because:

1. Carter would never drive with Kat.

2. Kat would abandon the Hog after she "accidently" drove it over a cliff leaving the other spartan to die.

3. There were no snipers.

  • 02.26.2011 6:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: mojeda101
Kat is tactical, thought of the plan to bring the fight to the Covenant.


Because that worked out SO well!

As I recall she also planned the attack on the Covenant ground forces....and managed to miss a 27 kilometer long Covenant carrier...

  • 02.26.2011 8:56 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
as Noble Team had the Spartan II genetics...


Pure speculation.

  • 02.26.2011 9:03 AM PDT


Posted by: manwith
Posted by: Lt Leitner

Posted by: manwith
I'm not sure why people would give a crap about genetics in the first place because it has little to no effect on combat effectiveness.

It should be obvious once the technology and medical care gets further the candidates gets wider, because it's not as strict anymore.


Uh, yeah it does. Take Usain Bolt. There are sure as hell people who train harder then him, but he's the fastest man in the world because of his genes. This can be applied in a broader sense to any characteristic.

Yes training is essential, but a team of soldiers with world class training, against a same sized team of the forty best candidates in the world, with the same training will lose.


Except we don't know exactly if Spartan-III's have worse, the same, or better genes compared to Spartan-II's because S-III candidates weren't around by the time the Spartan-II program started.

Kurt even says in one of his letter to Mendez that Halsey would have chosen Noble Team if she had had the chance.

We know Kelly is the fastest human ever in the Halo universe, but that doesn't make her any better than other Spartans. In fact, there are most most casualties in a Spartan team Kelly was part of.


We can reasonably assume that they are in some elements inferior. The most obvious would be psycological profile (compare Emile to Jorge), and size. Yes Jorge is exceptional, but the average SII is bigger then the average SIII.

It's simple statistics. The SII has almost every single human alive as a possible candidate. The SIII had those orphaned by the covenant. A muc smaller population, with the obvious damage of being orphanes.

Now I suppose you could argue that the SII were chosen simply by how close they matched the medical profile to survive the procedure, but their success prior to that indicates the reverse. They were chosen for being exceptional individuals first, and with much looser guidelines on surviving the upgrades.

Which means yes the SIII might be able to take more candidates who would be ideal except from being medically unsuitable, but I don't think this makes up for the otherwise drastically reduced candidate group.

Edit: Hey Caboose, sup, don't think I've seen you round since your epic thread on whether or not Reach was going to focus on Blue team.

[Edited on 02.26.2011 9:12 AM PST]

  • 02.26.2011 9:03 AM PDT
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kat is the brain in the operation we don't know what the rest of beta company was like, perhaps she was the smartest?

  • 02.26.2011 9:10 AM PDT

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