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Subject: Halo Legends vs Halo canon.

I am a practicing traditional Catholic.

A lot of people keep saying that Halo Legends broke canon. While this may be true on some points it was not the predominant characteristic of the film nor were the cases in question especially important.
This is not a comprehensive, in depth, painstakingly backed up with references thesis.
I'm too lazy for that right now. Maybe in the future. This is just a quick look at the episodes and a few short notes on them.
I will endeavour to point out a few reasons why it is not canon-killing.

Origins 1-2. Okay well most of this stuck pretty well to canon although clearly some of the events portrayed played out differently from the actual games. This was not a failure in canon. Cortana was showing clear signs of rampancy and so her logic and memory could quite easily have been corroded or affected due to this.

The Duel. This didn't break canon. True, it had been stated in an interview that this was set in the Covenant equivalent to medieval times and this of course is impossible due to the presence of the grunts. We know that they joined the Covenant in 2142, evidently this is not "medieval" because the Covenant was founded more than 700 years BC.
Frankie luckily stated in a later interview that the episode in fact took place quite late in the Covenant's time span as a civilization.
Canon is restored.

Homecoming. To my knowledge there isn't really anything that clashes with canon in this episode. If there is, please enlighten me.

Odd One Out. This is not canon. No problem here.

Prototype. No canon issues here either. Unless perhaps you look really close.

The Babysitter. Okay so they kill a Prophet. It states in the Halo 2 instruction manual that no Prophet has been captured or killed. A slip-up. Not that serious. I'd imagine when Bungie wrote the manual back in 2004 they weren't especially conscious that in more than five years there would be animated episodes or that the series would take the directions it did.
Not ideal but with a pinch of salt, just move on.

The Package. Teenage Halsey was weird but that could be simply down to the animation and nothing more. The elite in the episode was not Thel 'Vadamee, he was Thel 'Lodamee.
I can't think of much else that went wrong with the episode.

And that is the end of the DVD! So basically, either I've missed something tremendous or the haters are looking far too deeply into tiny little details. I expect it is the latter.
Anyway, I want to hear your views on this.
Feel free to agree, disagree (but not to hate).
What is my own theory on why a lot of people don't like it? Because it's "Anime" and they don't like the animation. That, I'm afraid, is pretty narrow minded.
I'm not pretending that is the single reason why some people don't like it, but a lot of the hate is due to this.



[Edited on 02.27.2011 8:25 AM PST]

  • 02.26.2011 10:41 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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The only thing not canon was Odd One Out. Anything else, like Halsey's hair and such is artistic licensing. Some people just don't understand.

  • 02.26.2011 10:43 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Exactly i don't know where those haters get the BS from.

I guess it's just because they dislike 343 and anime.

  • 02.26.2011 10:43 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Remember the days when Halo legends was aired on wayponit,those threads on bugnie.net those halo legends hate threads.

Oh god...

  • 02.26.2011 10:44 AM PDT

Exactly almost any supposed inconsistency, which in my opinion are practically none existent and are merely little rough edges in it easily glossed over, can be attributed to artistic license, such as Halsey's appearance in the Package or the appearance of the Arbiter's wife in the Duel.

Oh, and I can explain the thing about the Babysitter and Halo 2 concerning the statement about Prophets. The Halo 2 manual is essentially on the same level as advertising material, such as the Believe trailers for Halo 3 or the ever used statement that Chief is the last of the Spartans. They're the lowest level of canon and if anything in a higher source, like a game, book, or something like Halo Legends, later says otherwise there is no inconsistency, since that sort of thing is already almost non-canon

  • 02.26.2011 10:53 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: hotshot revan II
Remember the days when Halo legends was aired on wayponit,those threads on bugnie.net those halo legends hate threads.

Oh god...

And now those same people want 343 to handle Reach. Irony.

  • 02.26.2011 10:54 AM PDT

I remember Privet Caboose made a huge thread on this subject, showing that every complaint either fit in with canon or just artistic freedom on the animators part.

  • 02.26.2011 10:56 AM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Sniffy66
I remember Privet Caboose made a huge thread on this subject, showing that every complaint either fit in with canon or just artistic freedom on the animators part.

Which is ironic, trust me I know the guy from somewhere else.

  • 02.26.2011 10:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Magna117
Homecoming. To my knowledge there isn't really anything that clashes with canon in this episode. If there is, please enlighten me.

Ralph-303.

303

303 > 150

That along with the Prophet being murdered before Halo 2 are the only canon breaks that I can think of off the top of my head. At most, Halo Legends contained no more inconsistencies than your average Halo novel.

  • 02.26.2011 11:06 AM PDT

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With the Babysitter issue - the manual may be referencing High Prophets only, whilst the Prophet killed in this Halo Legends episode was only a Minor Prophet. Possibility - not fact.

  • 02.26.2011 11:13 AM PDT

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There were several episodes that I disagree with you on.

The Babysitter's killing of a prophet is a direct conflict with Halo canon. Since the Halo 2 guide came with the game, and games supersede books and other supplemental materials (read: Legends) the comment in the Halo 2 manual overrides the Legends episode rendering it non-canon. They could have fixed this by making the target a high ranking Elite, but the rest of the episode wasn't that good anyway.

The Package's depiction of the assault carrier that breaks apart was stupid, as was the inclusion of Thel Vadam.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Remember the days when Halo legends was aired on wayponit,those threads on bugnie.net those halo legends hate threads.

Oh god...

And now those same people want 343 to handle Reach. Irony.

343 has since redeemed themselves with Evolutions and Cryptum, while Bungie has lost some of it's credibility for the way that Reach ripped apart established canon.

At the time that legends came out 343 was new to the scene, and Bungie led efforts had always been pretty good.

  • 02.26.2011 11:15 AM PDT


Posted by: CTN 0452 9
There were several episodes that I disagree with you on.

The Babysitter's killing of a prophet is a direct conflict with Halo canon. Since the Halo 2 guide came with the game, and games supersede books and other supplemental materials (read: Legends) the comment in the Halo 2 manual overrides the Legends episode rendering it non-canon. They could have fixed this by making the target a high ranking Elite, but the rest of the episode wasn't that good anyway.

The Package's depiction of the assault carrier that breaks apart was stupid, as was the inclusion of Thel Vadam.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Remember the days when Halo legends was aired on wayponit,those threads on bugnie.net those halo legends hate threads.

Oh god...

And now those same people want 343 to handle Reach. Irony.

343 has since redeemed themselves with Evolutions and Cryptum, while Bungie has lost some of it's credibility for the way that Reach ripped apart established canon.

At the time that legends came out 343 was new to the scene, and Bungie led efforts had always been pretty good.
I'm not sure how the assault carrier breaking apart is stupid. It's would actually be a pretty effective way to getting invaders off the ship and it was borrowed from forerunner ships who used it to make sure the flood didn't infect major areas on their ships.

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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
There were several episodes that I disagree with you on.

The Babysitter's killing of a prophet is a direct conflict with Halo canon. Since the Halo 2 guide came with the game, and games supersede books and other supplemental materials (read: Legends) the comment in the Halo 2 manual overrides the Legends episode rendering it non-canon. They could have fixed this by making the target a high ranking Elite, but the rest of the episode wasn't that good anyway.

The Package's depiction of the assault carrier that breaks apart was stupid, as was the inclusion of Thel Vadam.

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: hotshot revan II
Remember the days when Halo legends was aired on wayponit,those threads on bugnie.net those halo legends hate threads.

Oh god...

And now those same people want 343 to handle Reach. Irony.

343 has since redeemed themselves with Evolutions and Cryptum, while Bungie has lost some of it's credibility for the way that Reach ripped apart established canon.

At the time that legends came out 343 was new to the scene, and Bungie led efforts had always been pretty good.


-The Halo 2 manual??Doesn't that belongs to the third tier of canon.

That elite wasn't thel vadam,it was thel lodamee.

The assault carrier didn't really broke apart,it's called modular dispersal tech:
http://www.halopedian.com/Modular_Dispersal_Technology

  • 02.26.2011 11:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
The Babysitter's killing of a prophet is a direct conflict with Halo canon. Since the Halo 2 guide came with the game, and games supersede books and other supplemental materials (read: Legends) the comment in the Halo 2 manual overrides the Legends episode rendering it non-canon.

The manuals shouldn't be taken as direct canon because CE's manual says that Master Chief is all that remains of a classified military project to build a series of genetically enhanced super-soldiers yet we know this is not true as there were many other Spartans still alive at the time, including Linda who if I remember correctly was still in cryo aboard the Pillar of Autumn during the beginning of CE.

The book clearly states this and it came out before CE. There were already contradictions when the first game was released.

[Edited on 02.26.2011 11:39 AM PST]

  • 02.26.2011 11:34 AM PDT
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I am gonna go out on a limb and give my 2 cents about canon.

Although I despise Halo Legends for various reasons. I will say that the story is more canon than the depictions, and the depictions are overridden by game content.

So...in some of the episodes, like Origins, where that hologram is talking about stuff, I could accept that as Canon.

But Spiky Hair Halsey...not really. As we now have a Catherine Halsey that KINDA looks like another old lady that I saw once, I tend to accept Old halsey over Spiky hair Halsey...but...I personally dispute the canon of Halo Reach, and its content, to start with...so...its tough to say.

But really, although Halo Legends has given me Cancer just by talking about it...I will accept the story elements over the visual depictions.

[Edited on 02.26.2011 11:53 AM PST]

  • 02.26.2011 11:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: Naked Crook
I am gonna go out on a limb and give my 2 cents about canon.

Although I despise Halo Legends for various reasons. I will say that the story is more canon than the depictions, and the depictions are overridden by game content.

So...in some of the episodes, like Origins, where that hologram is talking about stuff, I could accept that as Canon.

But Spiky Hair Halsey...not really. As we now have a Catherine Halsey that KINDA looks like another old lady that I saw once, I tend to accept Old halsey over Spiky hair Halsey...but...I personally dispute the canon of Halo Reach, and its content, to start with...so...its tough to say.

But really, although Halo Legends has given me Cancer just by talking about it...I will accept the story elements over the visual depictions.


Frankie says that some of the art ain't canon.

  • 02.26.2011 11:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: anton1792
Ralph-303.

303

303 > 150


Actually I'm pretty sure Frankie said they were going to explore that further and explain why it's 303.

Edit: Here we go, linkage.

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  • 02.26.2011 12:25 PM PDT

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Origins part 2 broke canon in my opinion but your insight has changed this. I will now watch it again and find out the truth.

  • 02.26.2011 12:33 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: SHOCKER1000
Origins part 2 broke canon in my opinion but your insight has changed this. I will now watch it again and find out the truth.

Considering it's from a rampant Cortana's perspective, of course it would seem off.

  • 02.26.2011 12:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: SHOCKER1000
Origins part 2 broke canon in my opinion but your insight has changed this. I will now watch it again and find out the truth.

Considering it's from a rampant Cortana's perspective, of course it would seem off.


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  • 02.26.2011 12:38 PM PDT

I am a practicing traditional Catholic.

Thanks all. I'm really pleased to hear your opinions, whether they coincide with my own or not.
Also I'd like to thank the individuals who pointed out my error in regards to the Halo 2 manual. I guess it would really fit into the lower section of canon reliability.
As for any arguments regarding the colour or style of Halsey's hair, that isn't very important and it doesn't break canon in any way. Colour is just artistic (look at the Covenant blood in The Package and Prototype) and as for the style, most people do change their hair style at least a few times in their whole life!

  • 02.27.2011 8:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

The Arbiter in The Duel uses an energy sword.
Only Swordsmen can use energy swords.
Therefore the Arbiter = Swordsman.
Swordsmen cannot marry.
Arbiter = married.
Arbiter = Swordsman.

I really, really want to see what the HSB says about this. The writing in Legends was horrible.

  • 02.27.2011 10:42 AM PDT


Posted by: Lord Slade
The Arbiter in The Duel uses an energy sword.
Only Swordsmen can use energy swords.
Therefore the Arbiter = Swordsman.
Swordsmen cannot marry.
Arbiter = married.
Arbiter = Swordsman.

I really, really want to see what the HSB says about this. The writing in Legends was horrible.


Perhaps the Arbiter can? Even then, a swordsman can have any woman he wants. Maybe he liked her more and stayed around?

  • 02.27.2011 10:47 AM PDT

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Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Perhaps the Arbiter can? Even then, a swordsman can have any woman he wants. Maybe he liked her more and stayed around?

As it is we have no way of knowing. Of course the 40-foot mecha Hunters annoyed me even more, but then people would defend it by saying it's "artistic license."

  • 02.27.2011 10:52 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

@Lord slade

Here is the explanation from Frankie:

Glad you liked it! Hunters were huge, but correct. Hunter size and deployment varies by use, gravity, terrain, etc And there are Hunter forms WAY bigger than those...

I love the music in that episode too.


The hunters have different sizes.

And as for the arbiter thing:

An Arbiter can take any woman he likes, and would typically take concubines or other Elite's wives to further his Sword line, but our Arbiter is monogamous, and chose a wife instead. He's an exception to lots of rules.





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