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Subject: Human government after Halo 3 (A long but easy, quick read)

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I have been thinking lately about what would become of the UNSC and the New Covenant after the Human-Covenant War. How likely a scenario do you think this is? EDIT: Yes I know, epic canon fail...

2553: The Elites and Humans form a truce to leave each other alone, but if need be, they will combine military forces to protect each other

2553 - 2560: The UNSC is too weak a military force to regain control of the remaining colonies from the Insurrection. The Elites offer to help retake them, but the UNSC eventually decides that all surviving worlds will become self-governed, while trade and peace remains between them

2560: The UNSC no longer exists after the independence granted to the colonies. The UNSC disbands. The UEG (United Earth Governments) rise from the ashes to form a new, less military-focused UN, much like it was when it was originally created in the 1940s. Each colony begins to create its own global government.

2589: The terraforming campaign ends. Twenty previously destroyed worlds are rebuilt, including Reach. Re-colonization begins.

2600: Friction arises from each human world over control for the new colonies. To prevent another Civil War, the UEG and other world governments agree that each planet will be granted independence.

2650: Because of the Elite technology given to them years ago, human technology advances amazingly fast, especially in weaponry and space. Because humans are innovative, and not imitative as the Elites were, human tech even begins to surpass the Elites.

2667: In an attempt to prevent fighting amongst themselves, the UEG and other world governments form an alliance. Much like the UN, but instead of countries contributing, planets contribute. It is named the UHIA, the United Human Interplanetary Alliance.

2675: The Spartan-IV program begins. Each member of the military is biologically augmented to the equivalent of a Spartan-III, but it is cheaper, easier, safer and faster than ever, with a 97.8438% success rate. Every single soldier becomes as strong as a Spartan-III was, and they are also all given the fully shielded MJOLNIR armor that Spartan-IIs once wore. This is a mainstay for hundreds of years.

2680: The New Covenant is formed. The Elites have accepted Grunts as free members in society, as well as the Hunters. The Jackals decline the Elites' offer and remain on their homeworld to be isolated. Instead of how the Old Covenant was governed (Elites and Prophets on top), the New Covenant is aligned equally, where each species has fair representation in government.

2680: The Prophets are extinct. The Brutes have warred amongst themselves, destroying their society and once again devolving them into a state of prehistoric tribalism.

2700: The UHIA has spread to over 1,000 worlds. In a campaign of aggressive expansion, the unbelievably advanced humans colonize the Drone home world and build their factories. They inadvertently drive the indigenous to extinction.

In addition, the UHIA has colonized the Brute home world and enslaved the indigenous. Brutes become the humans' slave laborers.

2707: After a weak rebellion by the Brutes, human citizens call on slave reform. The Brutes become paid workers (though human currency is meaningless to them), and if they don't want to work they are allowed to join the UHIA Military as low ranking cannon fodder.

2715: The New Covenant and UHIA encounter each other for the first time in 100 years. Both have become incredibly huge empires. The New Covenant is the positive outlook on life, with equal representation and fair rule. The UHIA however, has become much more powerful and arrogant than the UNSC ever was. Much like the US and the Soviet Union, the New Covenant and the UHIA, respectively, begin a Cold War.

2761: Because each empire had incredible power (though the UHIA had a slight advantage), they sign the HCMDTA, Human-Covenant Mutual Destruction Trade Agreement. To prevent from blowing each other up, the opposing empires begin trading with one another and sanctioning their weapons slowly.

2800: The UHIA has become an aggressive, arrogant, power hungry force. They secretly begin attacking Elite merchant ships to prevent the New Covenant planets from interacting with each other.

2813: When all trade routes have been monitored by the UHIA, the humans launch a surprise attack on Sangheilios, the Elite home world. The planet is completely glassed by the UHIA. This sparks a war between the New Covenant (Elites, Grunts, Hunters) and the UHIA (Humans, Brutes). Both have advanced to near-Forerunner status as far as technology goes.

2815: In a response to the attack on Sangheilios, the New Covenant attacks Earth. The attack ends in UHIA victory, but not before three Continents are glassed. The massive destruction and fallout leaves Earth inhabitable, and the humans abandon Earth.

2850: The War rages on. Both factions are losing massive amounts of planets and numbers. Niether side could be considered winning because of the mutual annihilation.

2857: An unknown object crashes on the UHIA planet, Colonial Faction Sector Zero-Four-Eight-Two-Nine-Seven. The UHIA recovers the object.

The object is the back half of the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn. The ship ran out of power sometime in the 2600s. However DNA analysis reveals the soldier inside to be Spartan-117. But because the ships power died, Master Chief died in his sleep in 2688. The AI inside, Cortana, has also died. However, one file inside the inactive storage device inside Cortana makes a startling revelation.

Because the UNSC never went public about the Halo event, the information on the Halos is new to the UHIA. But Cortana's rampancy altered the Halo information, and the UHIA interpreted that a weapon lay dormant on Halo that they could unleash on the New Covenant and end the war. A massive campaign begins to find a new Halo Instillation.

2860: The UHIA discovers Halo Instillation 07. To destroy the New Covenant, the UHIA is convinced by the Instillation's monitor that the activation of Halo could "eradicate all enemies". Fooled, the UHIA activates Halo.

2860: Halo is activated by the UHIA. The humans, Elites, and all other life in the galaxy is killed by the rings firing.

2861: The automatic systems in the Halo array send out a signal. Sentinels begin to reseed the galaxy.

[Edited on 02.26.2011 7:48 PM PST]

  • 02.26.2011 7:17 PM PDT

It was good up until the war and the UHIA thing.

We are at a population of only about 200million people at the end of Halo 3. The entire purpose of human colonization was for peaceful purposes. I seriously doubt that the UN would have the balls to wage another war, not for a thousand years.

Then there's the fact the UNSC DID go public about Halo (common soldiers knew of it, like in Mona Lisa), 343i said they'd continue Chief's story and so on.

You also never considered the Mantle of Life thing we inherited, where the Forerunners are, the Precursors and the Flood, the Assembly of Minds, etc. All evidence points to these factions being truly significant players in the years to come.

I just find this to be highly unlikely given what we know.

  • 02.26.2011 7:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jhI'll admit, I went a little crazy with the UHIA. I got a little carried away and wasn't satisfied with it entirely. It's definitely the weak portion of this (and unfortunately, it's most of the post)

I created a lot of inconsistencies. I guess I jumped too far ahead to be logical and just wanted Elites and Humans to fight again. I think the problem is that I had the ending decided from the beginning. Plus I kind of forced the Brute enslavement because I wanted to portray an evil and vengeful humanity.

[Edited on 02.26.2011 7:33 PM PST]

  • 02.26.2011 7:30 PM PDT


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: ROBERTO jhI'll admit, I went a little crazy with the UHIA. I got a little carried away and wasn't satisfied with it entirely. It's definitely the weak portion of this (and unfortunately, it's most of the post)

I created a lot of inconsistencies. I guess I jumped too far ahead to be logical and just wanted Elites and Humans to fight again. I think the problem is that I had the ending decided from the beginning. Plus I kind of forced the Brute enslavement because I wanted to portray an evil and vengeful humanity.


No problem. Just gotta think: humanity would piss themselves if they saw the Brutes again, deranged tribal dudes or not.

Though the human + Elite Alliance was very plausible, and actually makes the most sense if you consider the ending of Halo 3.

  • 02.26.2011 7:36 PM PDT

It's kinda sad how accurately this models the stupidity of the human race. Although, in terms of Halo canon, it goes wrong around the time of the human aggression and enslavement of other species.

Edit: OP, your post is still very interesting and I hope you can forgive my brief replies. iPhones aren't the best for browsing the forums :P

[Edited on 02.26.2011 7:41 PM PST]

  • 02.26.2011 7:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jhFor a long time (pretty much since Halo 3's release) I thought the UNSC would stay on Earth for a long time. However I was proved wrong when Reach came out, as the UNSC was returning to space by 2589. This prompted me to believe humans would quickly return to the old ways of doing things as fast as they went back to space. I jumped to conclusions.

  • 02.26.2011 7:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: AI carsaib
It's kinda sad how accurately this models the stupidity of the human race.
That's exactly what I was going for.Although, in terms of Halo canon, it goes wrong around the time of the human aggression and enslavement of other species.I've never read Evolutions or watched Legends, so I apologize for the epic canon fail.Edit: OP, your post is still very interesting and I hope you can forgive my brief replies. iPhones aren't the best for browsing the forums :PDon't worry about it, you made your point clearly. :D

  • 02.26.2011 7:44 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

The general idea is plausible. Personally though I have always hated he whole xenophobia thing. Warhammer fan much? Though yeah, the war may have left a permanent scar on Humanitys perception of alien life.

I don't understand why the writers have got humanity rebelling within itself after Halo 3. (It is mentioned in the Encyclopedia, not sure if you had read it.) I think people have the tendency to let the mass media's shoveling of the negatives and neglection of the positives weight too much on their mind. Something like the Covenant war would crush any differences we have in my opinion.

I wonder if S-III augmentations will be put into effect for the entire military. Ackerson did say that they may be able to expand the selection criteria to the whole general public one day.

Finally, what of the Mantle?

(Sorry if that post seemed...fractured. It is 4am here; tired.)

  • 02.26.2011 8:17 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
The general idea is plausible. Personally though I have always hated he whole xenophobia thing. Warhammer fan much? Though yeah, the war may have left a permanent scar on Humanitys perception of alien life.

I don't understand why the writers have got humanity rebelling within itself after Halo 3. (It is mentioned in the Encyclopedia, not sure if you had read it.) I think people have the tendency to let the mass media's shoveling of the negatives and neglection of the positives weight too much on their mind. Something like the Covenant war would crush any differences we have in my opinion.

I wonder if S-III augmentations will be put into effect for the entire military. Ackerson did say that they may be able to expand the selection criteria to the whole general public one day.

Finally, what of the Mantle?

(Sorry if that post seemed...fractured. It is 4am here; tired.)


The reason why the Insurrection still exists is because we

"are the most bigoted, arrogant, self centered...I never understood how my wife could stand them."

As the Didact so elegantly put it.

  • 02.26.2011 8:24 PM PDT

This doesn't make sense by one reason. The Elites didn't have a fleet in 2559 anymore. Proof?

"The Great Schism rages on. While the Jiralhanae wage their own internecine wars, the Sangheili themselves are gradually losing their fleets in a war of attrition, having lost the technical expertise kept exclusively by the Prophets."

Another thing, The Rings no longer are active due to the Destruction of the Ark. Also they were not automatic systems that reseed the world, although that would ensure the return of millions of dead species, though the ruins of the Earth would remain, there would be chaos.

[Edited on 02.26.2011 8:46 PM PST]

  • 02.26.2011 8:42 PM PDT

Wow that was a pretty impressive timeline. I certainly hope that humans don't revert to their selfish and violent ways after facing such near extinction, but it is a possibility.

  • 02.26.2011 9:14 PM PDT

Man is born free but everywhere he is in chains.

I like it.
It's cool in an alternate history way.
And I also enjoyed the end, it's ironic and it shows what typically happens to those with power.

  • 02.26.2011 9:57 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
The reason why the Insurrection still exists is because we

"are the most bigoted, arrogant, self centered...I never understood how my wife could stand them."

As the Didact so elegantly put it.

It is quite hypocritical of the Didact to think so, is it not?

Anyway, from an in-universe context it is fine, but I do not believe that that is Human nature exclusively. The mass media loves to publish horrific acts because it sells more papers/gets more viewers than kind acts.

For every bad event that occurs and every bad person named there are millions of good things/people on the other end. The act of some homeless person being shot dead gets more attention than somebody giving a homeless person £100. These negative acts get more attention and leave a bigger impact because it plays on our compassion, which is evidence enough for me that we are not anything like that. If we were, then we would not give a flying toss.

People playing down the entirety of Humanity based on the acts of a few people in power, or due to people who are mentally ill (or both!), annoy me.

Remove influences that people are indoctrinated into thinking are good at an early age such as national pride and religion and you will have effectively removed most evil in the world. It is unfortunate that every once in a while somebody in the right place at the right time decides to be a bugger, manipulate one or more of these things and do something terrible. But Humanity as a whole are not like that. Religion, for example, offers hope of something after death. It is not bad for people to believe this. Yet it can also be a powerful motivator if used correctly.

  • 02.26.2011 10:45 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

We are at a population of only about 200million people at the end of Halo 3.


I have yet to see a source for this. The UNSC only lost 76 out of over 800 Colonies, so I highly doubt such a huge decrease.

OT: I don't think the humans would completely forget about Halo, as they started to study forerunner tech at the end of the Human-Covenant war, which was two and a half decades of fighting over the Halo Rings.

It would make more sense if the Humans had started to prepare for the Flood, should they ever return, as they did before.

[Edited on 02.26.2011 11:35 PM PST]

  • 02.26.2011 10:49 PM PDT

Posted by: keeno 111
If covanant got through the defence of 300 super macs around earth.

Imagine the future defence of Earth. I don't think anything will come near Earth by the time they attack in your timeline.


They didn't, only 2 MAC stations were destroyed, just the right amount of space for the fleet to go through.

  • 02.27.2011 2:04 PM PDT

Posted by: The Seraphim

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

We are at a population of only about 200million people at the end of Halo 3.


I have yet to see a source for this. The UNSC only lost 76 out of over 800 Colonies, so I highly doubt such a huge decrease.

OT: I don't think the humans would completely forget about Halo, as they started to study forerunner tech at the end of the Human-Covenant war, which was two and a half decades of fighting over the Halo Rings.

It would make more sense if the Humans had started to prepare for the Flood, should they ever return, as they did before.


There is something called Google, try it. Frankie, Bungie, 343, and Multiple others confirmed this that around 300 million were left, those other colonies? They were abandoned or simply unaccounted for.

  • 02.27.2011 2:06 PM PDT

i doubt the elites will ever get anywhere near forerunner status. i think after 100 yrs humans will have far surpassed covenant tech.

  • 02.27.2011 5:12 PM PDT

"Get pooped on."- Everyone at FHS

Very nice, but I don't think that the humans would get that stupid.

  • 02.27.2011 5:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: GlassesGuy 904
Very nice, but I don't think that the humans would get that stupid.

You must be new to the internet, enjoy your stay!

  • 02.27.2011 6:06 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: The Seraphim

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

We are at a population of only about 200million people at the end of Halo 3.


I have yet to see a source for this. The UNSC only lost 76 out of over 800 Colonies, so I highly doubt such a huge decrease.

OT: I don't think the humans would completely forget about Halo, as they started to study forerunner tech at the end of the Human-Covenant war, which was two and a half decades of fighting over the Halo Rings.

It would make more sense if the Humans had started to prepare for the Flood, should they ever return, as they did before.


There is something called Google, try it. Frankie, Bungie, 343, and Multiple others confirmed this that around 300 million were left, those other colonies? They were abandoned or simply unaccounted for.
I heard that the the number of humans after the War was reconed to several billion. But I will have to find a source for that change.

  • 02.27.2011 11:56 PM PDT

And considering that in the halo legends movie the forrunner homeworld was the same planet seen in the end of halo 3 that chiefs ship drifted towards, so his crash landing woulda been sooner than the year he stated, prolly within a month or sooner, and yes the war thing was kinda over the top why whipe out the whole galaxy, no ones gonna make that mistake if they really read cortanas stuff then the woulda known the full out consequence.. so yes.. i agree with roberto.

  • 02.28.2011 12:11 AM PDT

As well as a noted fact that when reading the terminals its as if it was having a conversation with chief, chiefs teleportation to the planet was not by accident. or so i see it

  • 02.28.2011 12:13 AM PDT

Yes I am British, I like tea, I like crumpets, and I am going to kick your ass!

It was great up until the war part, neither side had anything to gain from waging war with each other since they were both so advanced. Why attack the Elite ships in the first place?

  • 02.28.2011 2:29 AM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

Meh...

The unsc disabands... ?
Every soilder is a spartan 3 basicly...

nicr try op but i'll give it a pass.

  • 02.28.2011 4:20 AM PDT

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