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Remember in Halo 1 during the mission "Truth and Reconciliation" after you save Keyes he tells you he overheard the Covenant(also how could he? Does he speak Sangheili or something?) saying that "Halo" is a weapon. But here is the thing, how would they know Halo is a weapon? They just discovered Halo themselves as well. Also shouldn't they be believing its a vessel to get them onto the Great Journey and not a weapon?

  • 02.27.2011 7:27 AM PDT

Don't be stupid please.

The covenant long knew about the Halos.

  • 02.27.2011 7:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: master jako11
The covenant long knew about the Halos.

When and how? And that still doesn't explain why they would believe it is a weapon. How would they know that without knowing about the flood and that the Great Journey is a lie?

  • 02.27.2011 7:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: master jako11
The covenant long knew about the Halos.

When and how? And that still doesn't explain why they would believe it is a weapon. How would they know that without knowing about the flood and that the Great Journey is a lie?


Their religious texts.The prophets probably found some forerunner text mentioning the Halo array.

The Flood is also known to the covies for a long time.

And as for the weapon thing,they probably thought it was a weapon agains heretics.

  • 02.27.2011 7:39 AM PDT


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Posted by: master jako11
The covenant long knew about the Halos.

When and how? And that still doesn't explain why they would believe it is a weapon. How would they know that without knowing about the flood and that the Great Journey is a lie?


Their religious texts.The prophets probably found some forerunner text mentioning the Halo array.

The Flood is also known to the covies for a long time.

And as for the weapon thing,they probably thought it was a weapon agains heretics.


All non-believers would be destroyed by Halo's fire while all believers became gods.

  • 02.27.2011 7:41 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

First off, the Elites never said Halo was a weapon. Keyes just assumed it. And Cortana said "If I'm analyzing this correctly". She didn't analyze it correctly. They were looking for a weapon on Halo. That weapon being The Flood.

Furthermore the Elites have known the Halos exist since the Covenant were created. The origin of the Covenant, and their entire religious faith, was centered around finding Halo. The reason they and the Prophets knew about Halos existence was because of Forerunner artifacts (Mendicant Bias and the Keyship) and misinterpreted documentation found by them. These findings was the reason the Covenant was created.

[Edited on 02.27.2011 7:50 AM PST]

  • 02.27.2011 7:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
First off, the Elites never said Halo was a weapon. Keyes just assumed it. And Cortana said "If I'm analyzing this correctly". She didn't analyze it correctly. They were looking for a weapon on Halo. That weapon being The Flood.

Furthermore the Elites have known the Halos exist since the Covenant were created. The origin of the Covenant, and their entire religious faith, was centered around finding Halo. The reason they and the Prophets knew about Halos existence was because of Forerunner artifacts (Mendicant Bias and the Keyship) and misinterpreted documentation found by them. These findings was the reason the Covenant was created.

Why would the Covenant be looking for the flood?

  • 02.27.2011 8:28 AM PDT

The Covenant found them a while before the war started.
What are you asking.

  • 02.27.2011 8:32 AM PDT
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(also how could he? Does he speak Sangheili or something?)

Maybe his neural implant had some sort of translation ability?

Here's the actual transcript:

KEYES:

While the Covenant had us locked up in here, I overheard the guards talking about this ring world. They call it... "Halo."

CORTANA:

One moment Sir. Accessing Covenant battlenet. (Pause) According to the data in their networks, the ring has some kind of deep religious significance. If I'm analyzing this correctly...they believe that Halo is some kind of weapon. One with vast, unimaginable power.

KEYES:

Well...that's true. The Covenant kept saying, "Whoever controls Halo controls the fate of the universe."


All Keyes hears is that it's called Halo and that whoever controls it controls the fate of the universe. Which is true. Cortana then misinterprets some of there religious chatter about Halo. Given how the Covenant can talk about Halo (cleansing flame) it's not too surprising.

  • 02.27.2011 8:37 AM PDT

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Possibility: Captain Keyes keeps a translator hidden in his pistol's magazine. Or, his pipe has a dual purpose, where if you stick one end into your ear it reverses and speeds up and dialogue resembling Sergeant Johnson's. Or maybe it's because he's so old he remembers the birth of spoken language and therefore can interpret based on his eons of experience? Because he's srsly pretty old guise.

  • 02.27.2011 10:57 AM PDT

As for the language thing, the Grunts speak English in CE, I would assume that Keyes overheard Grunts talking, or his neural implants has translation software built in, and by that time in the war they had translated the Covenant languages, hence why Cortana could understand what the hell they were talking about when she accessed their battle net.

  • 02.27.2011 11:01 AM PDT

Let's be honest, it could be a lot worse.

Back then the Halo lure wasn't super developed so it really doesn't matter about rewrites now does it?

  • 02.27.2011 11:12 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Posted by: JJAB91
Why would the Covenant be looking for the flood?
Because the Covenant... was a bunch of idiots.

You see the Covenant didn't think that The Flood was going to eat everything. Because they believed the Forerunner ascended to godhood, they also thought they left behind a weapon on Halo to kill the devil, who the Covenant believed were humans. That weapon being the Flood.

However in reality, Halo IS the weapon left behind to kill the devil, and the devil is The Flood.

  • 02.27.2011 2:49 PM PDT

They just knew.

  • 02.27.2011 2:52 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa
As for the language thing, the Grunts speak English in CE, I would assume that Keyes overheard Grunts talking, or his neural implants has translation software built in, and by that time in the war they had translated the Covenant languages, hence why Cortana could understand what the hell they were talking about when she accessed their battle net.
As OrderedComa said members of the Covenant spoke english in Halo: Combat Evolved. As the games progressed the Covenant spoke less english because Bungie wanted them to feel slightly more alien.

  • 02.27.2011 2:55 PM PDT

-Keyes did not interpret that it was a weapon. He simply overheard the guards refer to the rings as "Halo." He probably heard it via translation technology.

-Cortana is the one who guessed that the Covenant believed it was a weapon. Why might she have guessed this? Well, let's remember how the Covenant themselves talk about the rings:
"I shall light this holy ring, release its cleansing flame, and burn a path into the divine beyond!"
Sounds like a weapon with "vast, unimagineable power" to me.

-Why do the Covenant know about the Halos? Well, their religion is largely founded upon the idea of poking about the galaxy looking for tidbits left behind by their gods when they ascended by setting off some hula-hoops 100,000 years ago. They learned all this stuff from in bits and pieces from Forerunner artifacts and whatnot; their knowledge unfortunately has holes in all the wrong place.

As OrderedComa said members of the Covenant spoke english in Halo: Combat Evolved. As the games progressed the Covenant spoke less english because Bungie wanted them to feel slightly more alien.
Wait, what? In Halo's 2, 3, and ODST, the Covenant speak nothing but English, aside from the jackals. Halo CE has less alien english use than any other Halo title except Reach, and even then it was only used for comic relief. The Covenant arguably feel vastly more alien in Halo CE than in its successors. In Halo's 2 and 3, they specifically made the elites more human for the purposes of trying to let people relate to them more, because the storyline has the elites joining forces with mankind.

[Edited on 02.27.2011 3:32 PM PST]

  • 02.27.2011 3:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: master jako11
The covenant long knew about the Halos.

When and how? And that still doesn't explain why they would believe it is a weapon. How would they know that without knowing about the flood and that the Great Journey is a lie?
They knew of the Halos from religious texts. They only realised that they truly existed in 2524 when Mendicant Bias spoke to the three who became the High Prophets of Truth, Mercy and Regret.

As for understanding Sangheili - the UNSC had translation software that would understand spoken Sangheili, but not the written language. These were vastly improved from captured Covenant data, but this was after the events of Alpha Halo.

  • 02.28.2011 3:37 AM PDT

Posted by: Tupolev
-Keyes did not interpret that it was a weapon. He simply overheard the guards refer to the rings as "Halo." He probably heard it via translation technology.

-Cortana is the one who guessed that the Covenant believed it was a weapon. Why might she have guessed this? Well, let's remember how the Covenant themselves talk about the rings:
"I shall light this holy ring, release its cleansing flame, and burn a path into the divine beyond!"
Sounds like a weapon with "vast, unimagineable power" to me.

-Why do the Covenant know about the Halos? Well, their religion is largely founded upon the idea of poking about the galaxy looking for tidbits left behind by their gods when they ascended by setting off some hula-hoops 100,000 years ago. They learned all this stuff from in bits and pieces from Forerunner artifacts and whatnot; their knowledge unfortunately has holes in all the wrong place.

As OrderedComa said members of the Covenant spoke english in Halo: Combat Evolved. As the games progressed the Covenant spoke less english because Bungie wanted them to feel slightly more alien.
Wait, what? In Halo's 2, 3, and ODST, the Covenant speak nothing but English, aside from the jackals. Halo CE has less alien english use than any other Halo title except Reach, and even then it was only used for comic relief. The Covenant arguably feel vastly more alien in Halo CE than in its successors. In Halo's 2 and 3, they specifically made the elites more human for the purposes of trying to let people relate to them more, because the storyline has the elites joining forces with mankind.


Didn't people get translators? MC specifically.

  • 02.28.2011 7:59 AM PDT


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: JJAB91
Why would the Covenant be looking for the flood?
Because the Covenant... was a bunch of idiots.

You see the Covenant didn't think that The Flood was going to eat everything. Because they believed the Forerunner ascended to godhood, they also thought they left behind a weapon on Halo to kill the devil, who the Covenant believed were humans. That weapon being the Flood.

However in reality, Halo IS the weapon left behind to kill the devil, and the devil is The Flood.


I doubt that very much. I bet Keyes and the Covenant both went to that area searching for weapons, and stumbled across the flood.

  • 02.28.2011 8:05 AM PDT

Read the books and all of your questions will be answer :)

  • 02.28.2011 9:11 AM PDT

I'm pretty sure the ancient remnants of the Covenant races (specifically the Prophets) knew about the Halo Array even before it was fired, read Halo Cryptum and you'll know what I mean.

It's possible that they still had information cataloged in their history post-Halo Array firing.

However that information may have been corrupted or was misinterpreted.

There were a considerable number of Forerunner relics on the Prophet Homeworld, no doubt they somehow discovered how to attain the information contained on some data terminal of some sort.

  • 02.28.2011 2:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: JJAB91

Posted by: master jako11
The covenant long knew about the Halos.

When and how? And that still doesn't explain why they would believe it is a weapon. How would they know that without knowing about the flood and that the Great Journey is a lie?

they've been exploring the galaxy for forerunner tech, which gives them info about some stuff. The covenant and their religion is based around that stuff, but they might have misinterpreted some stuff, we never know.

bit too much "stuff"

[Edited on 02.28.2011 3:00 PM PST]

  • 02.28.2011 2:54 PM PDT