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Subject: Jorge shouldn't have died on the ship. It should have been 6.
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so very true. Spartan IIs are also much more expensive, tho one thing: it shoulda been jun who came with six. Then jorge would fill in jun's role in halsey's escort, and woulda done a much better job, because he's a spartan II (and a heavy weapons specialist), and also because he has a bond with halsey (spartan II program) which would help him emotionally. And who needs jun anyway

  • 02.28.2011 2:57 PM PDT

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Need I remind everyone in this argument...Posted by: MegaMuffin16
It's not in the nature of a Spartan-II to have someone else die for them. Spartan-IIs are much more...honorable...than that. A S-II would die for another before they let someone else die for them. So Jorge would have refused. Notice how he had to pick up Noble 6 and throw him out the freaking window.

Plus Jorge wanted to because he thought sacrificing himself would save Reach, which it did. For about five minutes.

  • 02.28.2011 3:00 PM PDT

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yet.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Sigma617

Posted by: egore11
Um, S3s and S2s are the same thing other than augmentation. They aren't even more physically adept.


THE DIFFERENCE IS TRAINING YOU IGNORANT -blam!-! :)


Heh, yeah they got different training. Spartan IIs got a good bit of college level education and a wide training course. Spartan IIIs got more advanced/better training concerning tactics and battle and most likely less of the academics.

derp

Kurt says otherwise. III's had bad training, and they were broken in teh head.

  • 02.28.2011 3:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Need I remind everyone in this argument...Posted by: MegaMuffin16
It's not in the nature of a Spartan-II to have someone else die for them. Spartan-IIs are much more...honorable...than that. A S-II would die for another before they let someone else die for them. So Jorge would have refused. Notice how he had to pick up Noble 6 and throw him out the freaking window.

Plus Jorge wanted to because he thought sacrificing himself would save Reach, which it did. For about five minutes.

Master Chief and Kelly did otherwise.

  • 02.28.2011 3:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: dazer 117
If you good enough in the level you can save the marines, why cant they detonate the bomb, such a waste.

Or have Auntie-Dot clone and fragment herself so the clone can detonate the bomb manually, detach bomb from the pelican and fly the hell out of there.

  • 02.28.2011 3:37 PM PDT


Posted by: II Cipher
Why?

Jorge is a Spartan 2, he's better all round than N6 and a lot more of a valuable asset than a S3. The death of Jorge really didn't make sense. Jorge detonating the bomb didn't make sense, 6 should have done it.

Six is Hyper Lethal... Jorge isn't.

  • 02.28.2011 3:43 PM PDT

'life is a stare down with death himself'

@ Frenzy256 auntie dot is a unsc AI, only covanant AIs and cortana had the copy program (and cortana got that program from a covanant ai she destroyed).

[Edited on 02.28.2011 3:46 PM PST]

  • 02.28.2011 3:46 PM PDT


Posted by: sa7anicBarracuda
@ Frenzy256 auntie dot is a unsc AI, only covanant AIs and cortana had the copy program (and cortana got that program from a covanant ai she destroyed).

If cortana had that, why couldn't she had made a clone to stay on High Charity and destroy that ship (I forget the name)?

  • 02.28.2011 4:03 PM PDT

Posted by: Scatcycle01

Posted by: II Cipher
Why?

Jorge is a Spartan 2, he's better all round than N6 and a lot more of a valuable asset than a S3. The death of Jorge really didn't make sense. Jorge detonating the bomb didn't make sense, 6 should have done it.

Six is Hyper Lethal... Jorge isn't.


"Hyper lethal" is about the most undefined poor argument available. No one even knows what hyper lethal technically is, we can only assume, and therefore it is about the worst argument one can use.

  • 02.28.2011 4:22 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

Posted by: Wazooty
Posted by: Scatcycle01

Posted by: II Cipher
Why?

Jorge is a Spartan 2, he's better all round than N6 and a lot more of a valuable asset than a S3. The death of Jorge really didn't make sense. Jorge detonating the bomb didn't make sense, 6 should have done it.

Six is Hyper Lethal... Jorge isn't.


"Hyper lethal" is about the most undefined poor argument available. No one even knows what hyper lethal technically is, we can only assume, and therefore it is about the worst argument one can use.


"Hyper Lethal" is just another way of saying Player 1.

I highly doubt that with the little experience a s3 had could over shadow a S2 like Jorge who is superior in every way and has been fighting Innies and Covenant for about 30 years.

Jorge was much more of a valuable asset than 6.

  • 02.28.2011 4:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Wazooty
Posted by: Scatcycle01

Posted by: II Cipher
Why?

Jorge is a Spartan 2, he's better all round than N6 and a lot more of a valuable asset than a S3. The death of Jorge really didn't make sense. Jorge detonating the bomb didn't make sense, 6 should have done it.

Six is Hyper Lethal... Jorge isn't.


"Hyper lethal" is about the most undefined poor argument available. No one even knows what hyper lethal technically is, we can only assume, and therefore it is about the worst argument one can use.

Noble 6 and Master Chief are the only spartans listed as Hyper lethal. I think it's safe to say it means Super Powerful.

More powerful then jorge.

  • 02.28.2011 4:27 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

Posted by: Scatcycle01
Noble 6 and Master Chief are the only spartans listed as Hyper lethal. I think it's safe to say it means Super Powerful.

More powerful then jorge.


Really?

Are you REALLY that serious?

  • 02.28.2011 4:28 PM PDT


Posted by: II Cipher
Posted by: Wazooty
Posted by: Scatcycle01

Posted by: II Cipher
Why?

Jorge is a Spartan 2, he's better all round than N6 and a lot more of a valuable asset than a S3. The death of Jorge really didn't make sense. Jorge detonating the bomb didn't make sense, 6 should have done it.

Six is Hyper Lethal... Jorge isn't.


"Hyper lethal" is about the most undefined poor argument available. No one even knows what hyper lethal technically is, we can only assume, and therefore it is about the worst argument one can use.


"Hyper Lethal" is just another way of saying Player 1.

I highly doubt that with the little experience a s3 had could over shadow a S2 like Jorge who is superior in every way and has been fighting Innies and Covenant for about 30 years.

Jorge was much more of a valuable asset than 6.

If Noble Six were a real human, he would do better then most of us just controlling him. We aren't Hyper Lethal. Well, maybe some players are. He is.

Since spartans having crappy AI is not canon, it's basically like Costta playing Noble 6, and good players playing the spartans.

@above: Yes. Please explain why you think I am not serious.

[Edited on 02.28.2011 4:30 PM PST]

  • 02.28.2011 4:29 PM PDT

"powerful" what is this, dragonballz?

Like I said, you are still assuming things.

[Edited on 02.28.2011 4:30 PM PST]

  • 02.28.2011 4:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Wazooty
"powerful" what is this, dragonballz?

Like I said, you are still assuming things.

I can assume you are a human. Is that true? Most people would assume so. Does it have to be true? No. But I'm pretty sure a term that says "Hyper Lethal" actually means, hyper lethal.

No, you can be powerful in real life too.

  • 02.28.2011 4:31 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

Posted by: Scatcycle01

Posted by: Wazooty
"powerful" what is this, dragonballz?

Like I said, you are still assuming things.

I can assume you are a human. Is that true? Most people would assume so. Does it have to be true? No. But I'm pretty sure a term that says "Hyper Lethal" actually means, hyper lethal.

No, you can be powerful in real life too.


Wow.......just wow.

  • 02.28.2011 4:37 PM PDT


Posted by: II Cipher
Posted by: Scatcycle01

Posted by: Wazooty
"powerful" what is this, dragonballz?

Like I said, you are still assuming things.

I can assume you are a human. Is that true? Most people would assume so. Does it have to be true? No. But I'm pretty sure a term that says "Hyper Lethal" actually means, hyper lethal.

No, you can be powerful in real life too.


Wow.......just wow.

I really do not understand what is wrong with my posts, could you please explain?

  • 02.28.2011 4:38 PM PDT

"The measure of a man is what he does with power"-Plato

Posted by: Scatcycle01
I really do not understand what is wrong with my posts, could you please explain?


The term "Hyper Lethal" is just another way Bungie are talking about YOU, the player.

Spartan 3s are not even close to the training and combat experience of the Spartan 2s. I'm talking about this from a CANON stand point. Spartan 2s are way more of an asset to the UNSC than a Spartan 3.

And the way Jorge sacrificed himself was stupid. 6 should have detonated the bomb because Jorge was a bigger player in Noble team and for humanity in general. The death of Jorge wasn't logical.

Or maybe Jorge was tired of life and wanted to kill himself, but that's BS.

[Edited on 02.28.2011 4:45 PM PST]

  • 02.28.2011 4:44 PM PDT


Posted by: II Cipher
Posted by: Scatcycle01
I really do not understand what is wrong with my posts, could you please explain?


The term "Hyper Lethal" is just another way Bungie are talking about YOU, the player.

Spartan 3s are not even close to the training and combat experience of the Spartan 2s. I'm talking about this from a CANON stand point. Spartan 2s are way more of an asset to the UNSC than a Spartan 3.

And the way Jorge sacrificed himself was stupid. 6 should have detonated the bomb because Jorge was a bigger player in Noble team and for humanity in general. The death of Jorge wasn't logical.

Or maybe Jorge was tired of life and wanted to kill himself, but that's BS.

I KNOW! But if this was real life, and there was no AI, just human thought processing, Master Chief and Noble 6 would be what they are... PEOPLE LIKE COSSSSTA! Just really good at fighting. And smart. Kat would be able to drive, but she wouldn't amount to the strength or wits of 6.

  • 02.28.2011 4:50 PM PDT


Posted by: Wazooty
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: keeno 111

Posted by: manwith
Posted by: kit_103
But it was pretty much assumed that the other SPARTAN who carried that rating was S-117.


That possibility ruled out when it turned out Spartan-117 was neither the best, nor the most effective Spartan-II.


In what way is he not the most effective spartan? the guy saved humanity ffs.


Mission complete doesn't mean you did it in the most effective or best manner.

He also didn't do it alone. There was near always somebody helping him.


He had a handful of much less valuable allies.

No other spartan has had to fight by himself for such trying and important times. The other spartans almost always had other spartans to back them up. You saying MC needed others help is more of an argument supporting him being the best than otherwise, since the other spartans all had even better help (other spartans..).


Wait, so him needing help means he's the best?

Anyway, fun thing is that any other Spartan could have done what chief did if they had the same support and gear (Cortana, etc.) Some would do it better, others worse. (Six, arguable, would do it better being a lone wolf where Master Chief was a team leader.)

  • 02.28.2011 4:56 PM PDT


Posted by: Wazooty
Seeing as halo is not a stealth game as the very mechanics for such dont even exist in the games, then you really cannot judge how capable/incapable john was at getting ambushed through the games. This isnt crysis, it's a game designed to go "shootshootgrenademelee", not much else.


Going by Novels.


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy
Kurt says otherwise. III's had bad training, and they were broken in teh head.


Really? I don't remember that ever being stated by Kurt. I think I remember after Alpha he said, we have to train them even better then before.

  • 02.28.2011 5:00 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Wazooty
Seeing as halo is not a stealth game as the very mechanics for such dont even exist in the games, then you really cannot judge how capable/incapable john was at getting ambushed through the games. This isnt crysis, it's a game designed to go "shootshootgrenademelee", not much else.


Going by Novels.


Posted by: TheGreenAlloy
Kurt says otherwise. III's had bad training, and they were broken in teh head.


Really? I don't remember that ever being stated by Kurt. I think I remember after Alpha he said, we have to train them even better then before.

Yeah, he said that they became too stressed and that's why they screwed up a lot, whilst the II's remained cool.

  • 02.28.2011 5:50 PM PDT

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

[quote]Posted by: dahuterschuter

[quote]Posted by: II Cipher
From a canon point of view.


Games>Books as far as canon goes.


^^^this. I love the books, but I always just consider the games to be canon. I've heard there's a "Halo Bible" somewhere in Bungie that was contradicted, but whatever.

  • 02.28.2011 9:28 PM PDT

Posted by: Sir Muffinator
Posted by: petarded2
Posted by: nofatchicks6921
Halsey said in one of the trailers that there was only 1 Spartan better than Noble Six, and we all know who she's talking about.
Jorge?
I think he means MC.
But Jorge is invincible and has infinite ammo for his chain-gun...

  • 02.28.2011 9:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Hans7326

^^^this. I love the books, but I always just consider the games to be canon. I've heard there's a "Halo Bible" somewhere in Bungie that was contradicted, but whatever.


Nobody(Outside of 343/Bungie employees and authors) has seen the Halo Story Bible, so saying it's been contradicted can't be proven.

[Edited on 02.28.2011 9:37 PM PST]

  • 02.28.2011 9:36 PM PDT