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I give this thread a 7/10.

... that Flood bit is actually a valid point, too.

  • 03.01.2011 2:07 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob
I give this thread a 7/10.


Er... why? Everything the OP pointed out is totally consistent with the rest of Halo canon.

... that Flood bit is actually a valid point, too.

No it's not. They left the galaxy and then returned in greater numbers to G617 g1.

  • 03.01.2011 2:16 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Yes. Yes a thousand times over.

I hated Cryptum.

  • 03.01.2011 2:17 PM PDT

That's why I love Bungie. They don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk.

Most companies just give empty threats.


The entire point of the book seemed (to me at least) to show how wrong the covenant was about the forerunners. This fleshing out just seems to make humanity a better protaginist.

[Edited on 03.01.2011 2:21 PM PST]

  • 03.01.2011 2:20 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Yes. Yes a thousand times over.

I hated Cryptum.


You can say you hate it based on personal opinion, but you cannot say you hate it on a canon-breaking basis because it didn't break canon at all. Personally, I love Cryptum, best book yet IMO.

  • 03.01.2011 2:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Yes. Yes a thousand times over.

I hated Cryptum.


You can say you hate it based on personal opinion, but you cannot say you hate it on a canon-breaking basis because it didn't break canon at all. Personally, I love Cryptum, best book yet IMO.

This. I wholeheartedly disagree with the OP but since Wolvers, AJ and Anton pretty much said everything that need to be said I won't bother typing it again.

  • 03.01.2011 2:56 PM PDT

Let's be honest, it could be a lot worse.

I agree someone who finally thinks that a Halo book -blamed- everything up. You are my new Bungie.net Hero
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  • 03.01.2011 3:00 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Fly Boy 2113
I agree someone who finally thinks that a Halo book -blamed- everything up. You are my new Bungie.net Hero
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For the love of Christ, we've just established that Cryptum did not screw anything up at all.

  • 03.01.2011 3:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: JJAB91
Here there be spoilers.


SERIOUSLY? Is everyone just going to accept Cryptum as absolute canon? Because honestly...Cryptum just takes the established canon and feeling of the Halo story and steps all over it. No, it takes it, shatters it against a wall and then pisses on it just to be sure. Before this 'book' came along what did you think of the Forerunners? Mostly likely you thought of them as an ancient, wise and benevolent long extinct race of aliens that once ruled the galaxy but sacrificed themselves to save everyone from a cosmic horror. You know why you thought that? BECAUSE EVERYTHING IN HALO SUPPORTED IT. Everything in the Halo series has supported that but Greg bear decided to go -blam!- IT and rewrite everything that Halo had already established. Don't get me wrong I love new information and canon being added to the story but this...this is just stupid.

-The Forerunners are no longer that mysterious, wise and kind race that everything prior had pointed them to be. Now they're just complete -blam!-s to everyone. What the hell? This may seem minor but to be frank it kinda ruins everything, before this damn book came out the Forerunner were portrayed as wise, kind and ancient. Keepers of the galaxy and while not the only species in the galaxy they were the only one with such technological progress and devoted themselves to guard the galaxy from all harm. However a cosmic horror from distant space came and brought that peace to an end. The forerunner then waged a 300 year long war to fight this flood and only after exhausting all other options sacrificed themselves so that others may live. But guess what? NOPE. -blam!- all that because now we know the Forerunners were just neutral and simply just there and to top if all off they were just pricks. So an intergalactic Swedish Gordon Ramsay. What the -blam!- Greg Bear?.

-But thats not even the start of it, Humans got hit by the retconning stick too. Humans in the Halo series have always been a pride species finally making their way across the stars abit with war and difficulty and discovering that they have not only missed so much but also that they are not alone. But NOPE. -blam!- THAT! Because now apparently humans were once pants-blam!-ly advanced to the point where they not only controlled parts of the galaxy but even allied themselves with the Prophets and waged war with the goddamned Forerunner and then not only lost but then were devolved. Messing with the entire story.What the hell is this? AND then the kind and wise Forerunners executed countless humans after the war. Yeah, kind and wise my ass. THAAAAANKS Cryptum.

-ANNNND then we have The Flood. Nope, they were not spared ether. In ALL other previous Halo works what were the Flood? They were that cosmic horror that came from out of galaxy that even the great Forerunner could not control and had to sacrifice themselves to stop. Now what are they? Dandruff. Or more specially a white powder that APPARENTLY Humans had discovered and used on their PETS. Yeah...way to even break canon and suck the dignity out of a space parasite Greg.

-Yeah the even more wise and mysterious Precursors who were the Forerunner even before the Forerunner are now giant bugs. Fuuuun.

-Finally we have all the inconsistencies this creates. So the Forerunners are now dicks and devolved Humanity? Ok fine but what about the Prophets? They merely had a majority of their area taken they never were devolved so...what the hell? How did they suddenly forget about all that and started worshiping the space equivalent of the jocks from Highschool as gods? I know there is 110,000 years between the war and the Halo games AND that the Halo Array went off but a SUPER advanced civilization even with the Halo's firing don't just forget everything. The prophets along with the majority of other
life in the galaxy were sent to the Ark and then sent back after the firing. What about their amazingly advanced civilization? Their towering metropolises? Sure the Array wipes sentient life but not computers or cities or ENTIRE CULTURES. Explain this plot hole please. What about that the Flood were discovered by the FORERUNNER on G617 g1 and not the damn Humans. Or that this goes against dozens of other Halo media such as the Terminals in Halo 3. Also where are the Elites during all this as well? Or the dozens of other Halo species that can be bastardized.

Look I have no problem with adding new to old or creating new canon but this...this is just stupid. It doesn't just add canon it messing with the formula the very feeling of Halo. That is something that should NEVER be changed. But instead it was walked all over. Changing what Halo is.


100% agreed. Some things are best kept secret. And I think we should just think of this novel as a fanfin. non-canon. Nearly nothing fits in with the canon that has already been created. It's like greg decided to take halo, destroy it, and make his own universe.

  • 03.01.2011 6:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man

100% agreed. Some things are best kept secret. And I think we should just think of this novel as a fanfin. non-canon. Nearly nothing fits in with the canon that has already been created. It's like greg decided to take halo, destroy it, and make his own universe.


I wouldn't go as far as to say we should just ignore the book, but I do believe Greg Bear messed with the 'feeling' of the Halo universe. Maybe I just need to get used to the changes.

  • 03.01.2011 6:58 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: M94 Mushroom Man
100% agreed. Some things are best kept secret. And I think we should just think of this novel as a fanfin. non-canon. Nearly nothing fits in with the canon that has already been created. It's like greg decided to take halo, destroy it, and make his own universe.

Herp Derp

  • 03.01.2011 7:05 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

For sentimental purposes, I'd like to know that exact moment logic and reasonable discussion died in this forum...anyone?

  • 03.01.2011 10:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Fly Boy 2113
I agree someone who finally thinks that a Halo book -blamed- everything up. You are my new Bungie.net Hero
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In all honesty, the book was open to interpretation.

I personally love it, and don't see any of the pointed-out "flaws" in canon; but I guess I see it as an eye-opener: a window into the past.

The same can be said for, say, Assassin's Creed. You could argue that it "Blamed" up history. It doesn't mean you're right, or wrong, and I don't know how people could argue about a topic that has "opinion" stamped all over it.

To add:
I love Cryptum, and I think it's the best book. In comparison, The Fall of Reach is one of my least favourite (yes, shoot me) due to extreme inconsistencies with itself, and rather poor writing. Granted, the story was good... but some sentences make me want to pull my hair out.
Nylund may as well say "And then he was deaded", sometimes...

Of course, that's opinion, and you may feel similar about Cryptum. Good for you.

  • 03.02.2011 2:47 AM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Posted by: JJAB91
-The Forerunners are no longer that mysterious, wise and kind race that everything prior had pointed them to be. Now they're just complete -blam!-s to everyone. What the hell? This may seem minor but to be frank it kinda ruins everything, before this damn book came out the Forerunner were portrayed as wise, kind and ancient.


No, I thought there was more to the Forerunners than met the eye when I first started playing Halo. A kind, loving race doesn't have the ability to destroy all life in the galaxy. Their monuments also seemed very pretentious, as if they were making a proclamation regarding them being superior. The terminals in Halo 3 show that only towards the end of the war they realised that all life was precious, not just their own.

-But thats not even the start of it, Humans got hit by the retconning stick too. Humans in the Halo series have always been a pride species finally making their way across the stars abit with war and difficulty and discovering that they have not only missed so much but also that they are not alone. But NOPE. -blam!- THAT! Because now apparently humans were once pants-blam!-ly advanced to the point where they not only controlled parts of the galaxy but even allied themselves with the Prophets and waged war with the goddamned Forerunner and then not only lost but then were devolved. Messing with the entire story.What the hell is this? AND then the kind and wise Forerunners executed countless humans after the war. Yeah, kind and wise my ass. THAAAAANKS Cryptum.

Mess with the story? Nope, all I'm seeing is excellent backstory there, and a good plot twist. It ties us far better to the Forerunners than I could have ever hoped for.

-ANNNND then we have The Flood. Nope, they were not spared ether. In ALL other previous Halo works what were the Flood? They were that cosmic horror that came from out of galaxy that even the great Forerunner could not control and had to sacrifice themselves to stop. Now what are they? Dandruff. Or more specially a white powder that APPARENTLY Humans had discovered and used on their PETS. Yeah...way to even break canon and suck the dignity out of a space parasite Greg.

I don't know about this one, I haven't actually read the book yet.

-Yeah the even more wise and mysterious Precursors who were the Forerunner even before the Forerunner are now giant bugs. Fuuuun.

It was pretty obvious. A race pre-dating the Forerunners who mysteriously vanish? There were only a few options. I figured they might have become humanity, but them being the Flood was just as likely, probably more so.

-Finally we have all the inconsistencies this creates. So the Forerunners are now dicks and devolved Humanity? Ok fine but what about the Prophets? They merely had a majority of their area taken they never were devolved so...what the hell? How did they suddenly forget about all that and started worshiping the space equivalent of the jocks from Highschool as gods? I know there is 110,000 years between the war and the Halo games AND that the Halo Array went off but a SUPER advanced civilization even with the Halo's firing don't just forget everything. The prophets along with the majority of other life in the galaxy were sent to the Ark and then sent back after the firing. What about their amazingly advanced civilization? Their towering metropolises? Sure the Array wipes sentient life but not computers or cities or ENTIRE CULTURES. Explain this plot hole please. What about that the Flood were discovered by the FORERUNNER on G617 g1 and not the damn Humans. Or that this goes against dozens of other Halo media such as the Terminals in Halo 3. Also where are the Elites during all this as well? Or the dozens of other Halo species that can be bastardized.

Again, I haven't read the book but I figure that they were devolved, albeit physically rather than mentally. I always thought it strange that a species so weak that it could not even walk properly without the use of technology became the top dog on their planet.

Look I have no problem with adding new to old or creating new canon but this...this is just stupid. It doesn't just add canon it messing with the formula the very feeling of Halo. That is something that should NEVER be changed. But instead it was walked all over. Changing what Halo is.

It sounds to me like you're just annoyed that your baseless preconceptions were proven wrong. Everything fits into place, quit whining. You're just being overly pedantic and petty.


Wolverfrog hath spoken!

*kneels*

But yes, I do take Cryptum as canon because

1) We knew nothing anyway

2) It adds all kinds of mystery to Halo

and 3) It should have all been down in the Halo Story Bible anyway. Maybe not specifics, but the basics were there.

Does it change my view of the Forerunners? Yes. Do I like it? Yes. If not, could I or you simply not accept it as canon? No.

  • 03.02.2011 5:43 AM PDT
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The book actually seems to fit with canon a LOT more than a lot of the OP's preconceived notions ever did. Why were humans named as Forerunner's reclaimers when the Forerunner also went and left Flood samples on various instalations to survive post Halo firing? Would they trust what was at the time a primitive and undeveloped species like us with those things? Probably not, but if we had been much more advanced and had actually beaten the Flood once, then it makes a bit more sense to leave those samples so that we would be able to use them to find a way to beat the Flood again if the Flood found a way to return to our galaxy from wherever they originated from.

  • 03.02.2011 8:01 AM PDT

By the gods... BRACE FOR IMPACT!

  • 03.02.2011 9:32 AM PDT

Adepto In Meus Campester
Posted by: ParagonRenegade
You were totally and absolutely correct in every way, I don't know why we were arguing, you're so amazing I should never have doubted you.

The canon in Cryptum was all part of the Halo Story Bible written about 10 years ago. It didn't "reinvent" canon like Halo: Reach did.

  • 03.02.2011 11:27 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: dibbs089
For sentimental purposes, I'd like to know that exact moment logic and reasonable discussion died in this forum...anyone?

Around Reach's release date, and I am being serious.

To all these folks complaining about the "feeling of Halo being lost", you are arguing from a worms eye view. (Gravemind quote ftw) The vast majority of the Halo story has already been written out at least in rough note form in the Halo Story bible and has been for a while.

The Halo story bible is..not quite like this, but rather 4 of these things. It is already thought out, so arguing that the feeling of Halo is being lost is pointless because you do not know what the feeling of Halo is supposed to be having only seen like, at most, a quarter of the material. I am sure that if you took all the books, comics and games and reduced them to note format you might be lucky to fill one of those ring binders.

As fare as inconsistencies go (There are virtually none in Cryptum anyway), due to how much material there is in those binders it is surprising that there are as few inconsistencies as there are. Sifting through thousands of pages of details is not easy.

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  • 03.02.2011 11:35 AM PDT

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