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Subject: Toughness of "combat" Scarab.

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I have my doubts of how effective the Covenant scarab is.
First off, the mining scarab encountered in halo 2 is a different variation all together.
Now about the feats the combat scarab has performed in canon are barley impressive.
In halo 3 Odst, While riding in a Olifant along the metropolitan highway, a Scarab appears and suddenly fires onto it.
Note: the Olifant is the civilian version of the Elephant, and is thus not armored and is used a...garbage truck.
Now the scarab fires onto it,and instead of being turned into a molten husk, or vaporized into individual molecules, we instead just get smoke emanating from it.
Not only does the Scarab fail to even destroy the civilian vehicle, but the occupants of said vehicle were the characters Dare and the highly flammable Vergil. The Oliphant was NOT shielded by Vergil's modifications during the attack.

http://www.halopedian.com/Oliphant#Halo_3:_ODST

And of course in Halo Reach, the Scarab was once featured again, only for one to be destroyed by a pelican, and multiple ones destroyed outright by a Longsword Bombardment in the mission Tip of the Spear.
The muzzle velocity of the Scarab's main gun and anti-aircraft guns are VERY low, so how exactly efficient is the walking platform ?
Sorry if this seems shallow in any sort of way.

  • 03.01.2011 1:48 PM PDT

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Well unlike the Mining Scarab(Halo 2) which NEEDED to have insanely powerful beams to mine; the Combat Scarab(H3,ODST,HR) I believe was built to be quick and cheap to manufacture.

  • 03.01.2011 2:44 PM PDT
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Yeah, I don't know about ODST but the Scarab is very effective against infantry units and most vehicles.

If we compare the Halo 2 Scarab and The smaller "Dwarf" Scarab we get the following:

Against infantry and high speed vehicles, Dwarf wins.
Against Large military installations. Halo 2 Scarab wins.
More nimble and maneuverable, Dwarf wins
Cheaper, and less production time, Dwarf wins


Both of them can easily be taken out via a Long Sword carpet run, and Frigate cannon fire (as seen in Reach), so no notable advantages there. But it seems obvious that 3 or 4 Dwarf scarabs are easily a better choice than a over massive mining Scarab.

  • 03.01.2011 2:56 PM PDT

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It's more of a Psychological thing. Seriously most people would scatter away from a 150ft tank.

[Edited on 03.01.2011 3:02 PM PST]

  • 03.01.2011 3:01 PM PDT

Dude, its just Bungie's inablity to follow their own storyline and their oh so convenient failure to know the intelligence of its gamers. Besides, the story would be ruined if Dare and that Huragok died because then it would a more dramatic game and Bungie wouldnt dare try to make a game dramatic. So, there is no explanation besides Bungie's incompetence.

  • 03.01.2011 3:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: the bucksrevenge
Dude, its just Bungie's inablity to follow their own storyline and their oh so convenient failure to know the intelligence of its gamers. Besides, the story would be ruined if Dare and that Huragok died because then it would a more dramatic game and Bungie wouldnt dare try to make a game dramatic. So, there is no explanation besides Bungie's incompetence.

So were you dropped as a child or were you born this stupid?

  • 03.01.2011 3:04 PM PDT

With Dare and Virgil didn't virgil project a shield around the oliphant? I say most of the blast was absorbed by the shield while a small percent of it was taken by the oliphant.

nevermind.

[Edited on 03.01.2011 3:31 PM PST]

  • 03.01.2011 3:30 PM PDT
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In real life Plasma would burn through everything and not actually hit marines. It is gameplay issues. Would you really want to play a impossible game? No. They have to change up the canon so it is actually playable.

  • 03.01.2011 3:34 PM PDT

Wait, I haven't played that level in a bit, why wasn't Virgil shielding the oliphant?

And yes, it is for gameplay reasons. And just to make it epic.

You franctically shoot the scarab hoping to destroy it before Virgil and Dare are cooked. Buck is extremely emotional about Dare.

Epic.

  • 03.01.2011 4:21 PM PDT

Realistically, they would be on par with eachother.

Seriously, the weakness is just for gameplay reasons. A Wraith would devistate a Scorpion. Two Revenants can kill a Scorpion, no problem. Ghost beats LAAG Warthogs. Don't take it seriously.

  • 03.01.2011 4:56 PM PDT

If I remember correctly the scarab used it's Anti Air gun against the Oliphant rather than it's main beam.

  • 03.01.2011 5:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: the bucksrevenge
Dude, its just Bungie's inablity to follow their own storyline and their oh so convenient failure to know the intelligence of its gamers. Besides, the story would be ruined if Dare and that Huragok died because then it would a more dramatic game and Bungie wouldnt dare try to make a game dramatic. So, there is no explanation besides Bungie's incompetence.

So were you dropped as a child or were you born this stupid?

Hah. "hurr durr cryptum sux bugnie rules"

  • 03.01.2011 6:18 PM PDT

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Foman is awesome!


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Posted by: JJAB91

Posted by: the bucksrevenge
Dude, its just Bungie's inablity to follow their own storyline and their oh so convenient failure to know the intelligence of its gamers. Besides, the story would be ruined if Dare and that Huragok died because then it would a more dramatic game and Bungie wouldnt dare try to make a game dramatic. So, there is no explanation besides Bungie's incompetence.

So were you dropped as a child or were you born this stupid?

Hah. "hurr durr cryptum sux bugnie rules"

I'm gonna slap you.

  • 03.01.2011 6:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: OniLink147
If I remember correctly the scarab used it's Anti Air gun against the Oliphant rather than it's main beam.


Nope the scarab used it's main canon, and it was a scripted event so it couldn't be for game play reasons.

  • 03.01.2011 7:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: the bucksrevenge
Dude, its just Bungie's inablity to follow their own storyline and their oh so convenient failure to know the intelligence of its gamers. Besides, the story would be ruined if Dare and that Huragok died because then it would a more dramatic game and Bungie wouldnt dare try to make a game dramatic. So, there is no explanation besides Bungie's incompetence.
Remind me how...

Dare: "Oh, we're nearly to the rally point with a Covenant informant that could help win the war and-"
*BZZZRRKK*
*crater*
Buck: "Oh, well.."

...is dramatic.

  • 03.02.2011 2:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: ExcellentSix
I have my doubts of how effective the Covenant scarab is.
First off, the mining scarab encountered in halo 2 is a different variation all together.
Now about the feats the combat scarab has performed in canon are barley impressive.
In halo 3 Odst, While riding in a Olifant along the metropolitan highway, a Scarab appears and suddenly fires onto it.
Note: the Olifant is the civilian version of the Elephant, and is thus not armored and is used a...garbage truck.
Now the scarab fires onto it,and instead of being turned into a molten husk, or vaporized into individual molecules, we instead just get smoke emanating from it.
Not only does the Scarab fail to even destroy the civilian vehicle, but the occupants of said vehicle were the characters Dare and the highly flammable Vergil. The Oliphant was NOT shielded by Vergil's modifications during the attack.

http://www.halopedian.com/Oliphant#Halo_3:_ODST

And of course in Halo Reach, the Scarab was once featured again, only for one to be destroyed by a pelican, and multiple ones destroyed outright by a Longsword Bombardment in the mission Tip of the Spear.
The muzzle velocity of the Scarab's main gun and anti-aircraft guns are VERY low, so how exactly efficient is the walking platform ?
Sorry if this seems shallow in any sort of way.


-The oliphant had energy shields.

-The longsword bombs are powerful enough to damage covenant alloy as seen in Halo 2.

The muzzle velocity thing can't be trusted,it's gameplay.

  • 03.02.2011 7:45 AM PDT

A: Longsword is a bomber. Two of them destroyed the hanger bay doors to an assault carrier. They don't drop rocket launcher ammo bombs.
B: Pelican rammed said Scarab full speed, it didn't destroy it with the nose gun.

Also, the Oliphant, it isn't described as being unarmored. It's described as being a civilian version. Aka, no guns on it. It also didn't 'just smoke' if you look there was heavy damage to it and the engine was nearly shot to hell due to the speed death.

Edit: Not only is the Longsword a fighter-bomber, if you had bothered looking you would have noticed there was three that did the bombing run in Tip of the spear.


[Edited on 03.02.2011 10:38 AM PST]

  • 03.02.2011 10:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma3150
Realistically, they would be on par with eachother.

Seriously, the weakness is just for gameplay reasons. A Wraith would devistate a Scorpion. Two Revenants can kill a Scorpion, no problem. Ghost beats LAAG Warthogs. Don't take it seriously.


The problem with Wraiths is that people assume they are tanks. They aren't. They are plasma mortars with huge splash radii. The Scorpion IS a tank with a direct fire weapon. They both can kill each other just as easily, just depends on the situation and who gets the drop on the other.

  • 03.02.2011 10:42 AM PDT


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Posted by: Plasma3150
Realistically, they would be on par with eachother.

Seriously, the weakness is just for gameplay reasons. A Wraith would devistate a Scorpion. Two Revenants can kill a Scorpion, no problem. Ghost beats LAAG Warthogs. Don't take it seriously.


The problem with Wraiths is that people assume they are tanks. They aren't. They are plasma mortars with huge splash radii. The Scorpion IS a tank with a direct fire weapon. They both can kill each other just as easily, just depends on the situation and who gets the drop on the other.


Wraith are tanks, just not main battle tanks like the scorpion.

  • 03.02.2011 10:49 AM PDT

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"That's a ridiculous question."
"False. Master Chief."
"Well, that's debatable. There are basically two schools of thought."
"Spartans shoot Sangheili. Spartans. Sangheili.....Battle Star Galactica."


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Posted by: TheDocSprinkles

Posted by: Plasma3150
Realistically, they would be on par with eachother.

Seriously, the weakness is just for gameplay reasons. A Wraith would devistate a Scorpion. Two Revenants can kill a Scorpion, no problem. Ghost beats LAAG Warthogs. Don't take it seriously.


The problem with Wraiths is that people assume they are tanks. They aren't. They are plasma mortars with huge splash radii. The Scorpion IS a tank with a direct fire weapon. They both can kill each other just as easily, just depends on the situation and who gets the drop on the other.


Wraith are tanks, just not main battle tanks like the scorpion.


In the traditional sense, no. They fire mortars.

  • 03.02.2011 12:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: Longsword is a bomber. Two of them destroyed the hanger bay doors to an assault carrier. They don't drop rocket launcher ammo bombs.
B: Pelican rammed said Scarab full speed, it didn't destroy it with the nose gun.

Also, the Oliphant, it isn't described as being unarmored. It's described as being a civilian version. Aka, no guns on it. It also didn't 'just smoke' if you look there was heavy damage to it and the engine was nearly shot to hell due to the speed death.

Edit: Not only is the Longsword a fighter-bomber, if you had bothered looking you would have noticed there was three that did the bombing run in Tip of the spear.


Ok...I know there were multiple Longswords, but there were multiple Scarabs on the ground as well.

So your telling me that since it never mentions anything about it being unarmored, that it isn't ?
What, the Unsc would simply waste materials that would be used on a combat vehicle for a civilian version that disposes garbage ?
If anything Im sure it's unarmored.

  • 03.02.2011 12:24 PM PDT

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Believe it or not, the covenant use wraith tanks as there main battle tank, sheesh, with the majority of the small arms only having a range of 50 meters, it's no wonder the covenant lost ground battles often.

  • 03.02.2011 12:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: Longsword is a bomber. Two of them destroyed the hanger bay doors to an assault carrier. They don't drop rocket launcher ammo bombs.
B: Pelican rammed said Scarab full speed, it didn't destroy it with the nose gun.


I never mentioned the pelican destroying the scarab with its autocanon, and the pelican wasn't traveling at full speed, if it were it would be traveling at least at super sonic speeds. As evident in the novels.

  • 03.02.2011 12:33 PM PDT


Posted by: ExcellentSix
Believe it or not, the covenant use wraith tanks as there main battle tank, sheesh, with the majority of the small arms only having a range of 50 meters, it's no wonder the covenant lost ground battles often.
Wraiths are quite durable armor-wise, and the mortar is just as capable at five meters as over a hundred.

I do believe that the majority of their infantry weapons have a longer range than fifty, canon-wise.

  • 03.02.2011 2:37 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A: Longsword is a bomber. Two of them destroyed the hanger bay doors to an assault carrier.
Incorrect. That role for space combat would be a Fighter, which is a small craft that attacks capital ships. In space, the term "Bomber" doesn't apply.

As for the Bombing scene in Reach, wouldn't Shortswords be the better option?

[Edited on 03.02.2011 2:50 PM PST]

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