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May someone help me understand this?
In Halo Evolutions, I believe the story was Headhunter, a Spartan-III wounds an (I think it was by shooting his legs repeatedly, correct me if I am wrong) Elite. Before dying, the Elite says he's not afraid to transcend the Great Journey. However, this implies the Covenant believe they will transcend the Great Journey after they die. But, if that were true, why do we not see mass suicide, multiple species killing themselves so they will obtain a Godlike position by transcending the Great Journey?
This is all based what I know according to Covenant Religion.

[Edited on 03.01.2011 4:47 PM PST]

  • 03.01.2011 4:46 PM PDT
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Because Covvies had a very military related lifestyle. Suicide is for cowards.

  • 03.01.2011 4:52 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

They are trying to commit mass suicide. That's why they want to activate the rings.

  • 03.01.2011 4:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: dahuterschuter
They are trying to commit mass suicide. That's why they want to activate the rings.

But before, H2, only the Prophets knew what the rings would do.

  • 03.01.2011 4:56 PM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

I think the belief is that no matter when you die your "soul" or essence will transcend once you are faithful. I don't think the elite was saying that he would be taking the Great Journey right then and there but that he would when the Covenant eventually light the rings and begin the Journey. All Covenant who had died before this would be taken on the Journey too. At least that's how I interpreted it.

  • 03.01.2011 4:57 PM PDT

Just dying isn't enough, they have to have been worthy enough, and you can't be worthy if you just go and off yourself. And besides, the Covenant believed that the Halo Rings were what initiated the Great Journey, and I think not sure if I'm way offbase or not, that any who died in service to the Journey would transcend as well even if they died before the Halos were activated.

All of this is moot of course because we all know the Halos really do.

  • 03.01.2011 4:57 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa
Just dying isn't enough, they have to have been worthy enough, and you can't be worthy if you just go and off yourself. And besides, the Covenant believed that the Halo Rings were what initiated the Great Journey, and I think not sure if I'm way offbase or not, that any who died in service to the Journey would transcend as well even if they died before the Halos were activated.

All of this is moot of course because we all know the Halos really do.
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  • 03.01.2011 5:00 PM PDT

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all who believed and died will sit in a limbo until the rings are fired, or at least im assuming thats what they think happens.

  • 03.01.2011 5:08 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: hal0 slay3r661
all who believed and died will sit in a limbo until the rings are fired, or at least im assuming thats what they think happens.

Yep.

  • 03.01.2011 5:12 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: TheAverageTroll
May someone help me understand this?
In Halo Evolutions, I believe the story was Headhunter, a Spartan-III wounds an (I think it was by shooting his legs repeatedly, correct me if I am wrong) Elite. Before dying, the Elite says he's not afraid to transcend the Great Journey. However, this implies the Covenant believe they will transcend the Great Journey after they die. But, if that were true, why do we not see mass suicide, multiple species killing themselves so they will obtain a Godlike position by transcending the Great Journey?
This is all based what I know according to Covenant Religion.

They believe that they will only commence the Great Journey once the Halos are activated. I think that it is implied that all those who died in service to the Covenant and its goal will ascend from the grave as well.

Not sure what they believe what happens in the mean time though, if they believe they are conscious of the fact that they are dead or not. If you are not, then from your point of view you would go straight to the afterlife upon death. (Like waking up from a sleep but not remembering your dreams) Regardless, the reason why there are not mass suicides is probably due to an innate fear of death. Also, they can live a life and then go on the Great Journey, or just go on the Great Journey. Many probably choose to live and then go on the afterlife trip.

I am not sure about any of this though. It seems like a plot hole to be honest. I do not think it can be down to worthiness, because then what about the billions of Sangheili civilians that never get into the military? Maybe suicide is frowned upon. (Except in circumstances where they are injured to the point of losing dignity, like Jora.)

  • 03.01.2011 5:17 PM PDT

That's a question that should be asked about all "salvation after death" -type religions. So the covenant religion having this is just another example of the criticism on religion in the franchise.

  • 03.01.2011 5:56 PM PDT

God wills it!

The covies read that after the forerunners fired the halos, they went on the great journey.

They assumed that firing the halos = go on great journey. But they are in fact two unrelated things...

  • 03.01.2011 6:29 PM PDT