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Subject: Does the concept of Sangheili honour actually exist?

Glory to Jesus Christ

I agree, those who commit mass genocide and skin prisoners alive are anything but honorable.

  • 03.05.2011 12:18 PM PDT


Posted by: WB Wolves
I agree, those who commit mass genocide and skin prisoners alive are anything but honorable.


Skin prisoners alive? That is brutes, not Elites.

  • 03.05.2011 12:25 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: WB Wolves
I agree, those who commit mass genocide and skin prisoners alive are anything but honorable.


Skin prisoners alive? That is brutes, not Elites.


I thought those were the Predators....oh wait, wrong universe. There's also the example of Halo: Reach with the Zealots taking that marine hostage before killing him, not honorable at all.

  • 03.05.2011 12:27 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Im VERY surprised that Conversations from the Universe hasn't popped up in this thread.Namely this Extract from a copy I have

>>> EXTRACT OF SANCTIONED SANGHEILI EAVESDROP// FOR THE ATTENTION OF JIRALHANAE MILITARY ADJUNCT AMBASSADOR >>>
The Humans are weak, but they are tenacious. Even the smallest ones hurl themselves against our defenses with honor. If only the Unggoy were as committed.

>>> I wonder about the Humans, Commander. Their technology is limited, but some of it is useful and their battle techniques are impressive. They are excellent strategists. But what I ask is this: Why have we not offered them the absolution of the Covenant? From the beginning of this war, the Prophets have made no attempt to absorb them or even offer the option of honorable submission. Why?

Perhaps they fear them? We do not know where their homeworld is. Their pattern of retreat is either hopelessly random, or brilliantly conceived. What if the Humans have more power, more numbers than we suspect? What if they lead us to a trap?

>>> No. I do not think that is the reasoning. They continue to lose territory, and pattern or no pattern, these defenses must be part of a perimeter. I suspect we are forcing them into a tighter arena than they care to fight in. Soon we may be able to use the Sharquoi. And their victories, however few, always rely on the same thing-strategy, brute force, or luck. No. The only secret they hold is the location of their homeworld.

What about the atrocity at Halo? That was not luck, nor brute force. The Demon is a mystery. He outwitted and outfought entire legions on Halo. Perhaps there are more like him?

>>> I do not believe that. We have seen their kind before and destroyed them. Their numbers have dwindled and there have been no reported sightings since our victory at Reach.

Then why do we continue to hunt them? When surely they merit consideration to accept and embrace the Covenant?

>>> Let us discuss this at a more prudent moment. A Jiralhanae approaches.


~B2

P.S. Interpret what you will from this, the Humans were already being considerably wondered about by the Sangheili, and by wondering about the Humans, they also questioned the "heretical" nature of our species and the topic of our dissolution into non-existence.

  • 03.05.2011 12:29 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: WB Wolves
I agree, those who commit mass genocide and skin prisoners alive are anything but honorable.


Skin prisoners alive? That is brutes, not Elites.


I thought those were the Predators....oh wait, wrong universe. There's also the example of Halo: Reach with the Zealots taking that marine hostage before killing him, not honorable at all.


In our concept of honor? Yes. To a completely different race? Not so.

Hell, the Elites could have done it to 'mercy kill' the already wounded trooper. We don't fully know.

  • 03.05.2011 12:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: PunxsatownyPhil
Just to touch on the Noble 6 point, he was Hyper Lethal. He killed a metric ass-ton of elites. I think at that point they cared more about him being dead.


I don't really think they were 'holding him down' They went to finish him a few times but he kept on tossing them back.


Yeah, those claims don't make sense to me. The Elite that is supposedly "holding Six down" is not even remotely in a position to do any holding, and it looks like Six might have killed him as you don't see any movement from his side after his shields pop, though that might just be because the last Elite's leg is blocking our view of Six and we can only see the Zealot on the left. But yeah, Six kept fighting back and kept killing even when she was "down".

  • 03.05.2011 12:31 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: PunxsatownyPhil
Just to touch on the Noble 6 point, he was Hyper Lethal. He killed a metric ass-ton of elites. I think at that point they cared more about him being dead.


I don't really think they were 'holding him down' They went to finish him a few times but he kept on tossing them back.


Yeah, those claims don't make sense to me. The Elite that is supposedly "holding Six down" is not even remotely in a position to do any holding, and it looks like Six might have killed him as you don't see any movement from his side after his shields pop, though that might just be because the last Elite's leg is blocking our view of Six and we can only see the Zealot on the left. But yeah, Six kept fighting back and kept killing even when she was "down".


I think that ultra does come back slightly, but he recoiled majorly from Six's blow.

  • 03.05.2011 12:33 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: WB Wolves
I agree, those who commit mass genocide and skin prisoners alive are anything but honorable.


Skin prisoners alive? That is brutes, not Elites.


I thought those were the Predators....oh wait, wrong universe. There's also the example of Halo: Reach with the Zealots taking that marine hostage before killing him, not honorable at all.


In our concept of honor? Yes. To a completely different race? Not so.

Hell, the Elites could have done it to 'mercy kill' the already wounded trooper. We don't fully know.


I don't think holding somebody as a meat shield is a very honorific thing to do, specially when that somebody was already wounded and had no sort of defense, but maybe you are right and they don't believe it affects their honor, who knows right?

  • 03.05.2011 12:40 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: OrderedComa
That is irrelevant to the Elites holding the front line with their own blood rather than using another race. They could easily go in with the Unggoy.

And they do, all the -blam!-ing time, and whenever you don't find Elites on the front lines with the other lesser ranked species, it's the Brutes in command. Have you even played the games, dumbass?

Sangheili population is 8.135 billion.
Grunt population is 320 million.

It is not a case of Grunts being the most populous. So it seems quite inverse the way they number themselves with respect to each other.

Also, calm the f­uck down, seriously. You are always getting adversarial with people in discussions. It is such a big deal!!! Anyway, it seems mostly as though people can see no wrong in them. They have good aspects but they also have an unpredictable tendency for pettiness and to act very poorly. That was the whole point of this thread really, but all it shows me is that people mostly think of them as being ... infallible.

Another example of this selective thinking is people quoting all the instances were Elites refer to Humans in derogatory terms, yet always omit the ones that refer to it in a more positive light.


On the contrary, I very, very seldom get riled up in discussions on here. Maybe you have mistaken my stressing of points, which I do quite frequently for getting worked up, I usually make it look like THIS, but the majority of the time I am completely calm when I post it like that, it is merely for emphasis.

My problem with the people arguing against the Elites is they seem to view the Elites as villains who have no positive qualities or likable attributes at all, and that is simply not true. The Elites are meant to be viewed in a positive light, they're the co-Heroes of the story with the UNSC, both sides have their flaws, but that does not take away their status as hero, it makes things more believable.
I think people have been going on the offensive against your points because you came on a little too strong, you made your posts sound like you hate the Elites and that we should not have any respect for them, I can't say whether this is true or not, merely what I have observed.

  • 03.05.2011 1:28 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: PunxsatownyPhil
Just to touch on the Noble 6 point, he was Hyper Lethal. He killed a metric ass-ton of elites. I think at that point they cared more about him being dead.


I don't really think they were 'holding him down' They went to finish him a few times but he kept on tossing them back.


Yeah, those claims don't make sense to me. The Elite that is supposedly "holding Six down" is not even remotely in a position to do any holding, and it looks like Six might have killed him as you don't see any movement from his side after his shields pop, though that might just be because the last Elite's leg is blocking our view of Six and we can only see the Zealot on the left. But yeah, Six kept fighting back and kept killing even when she was "down".


I think that ultra does come back slightly, but he recoiled majorly from Six's blow.


Yeah, I couldn't really tell 'cause Six's killer is in the way and kinda blocks the whole shot.

  • 03.05.2011 1:29 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: OrderedComa
I think people have been going on the offensive against your points because you came on a little too strong, you made your posts sound like you hate the Elites and that we should not have any respect for them, I can't say whether this is true or not, merely what I have observed.

I see. I will fix that then. I certainly do not hate them, they are one of the things that I find most interesting in Halo anyway.

  • 03.05.2011 4:23 PM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: OrderedComa
I think people have been going on the offensive against your points because you came on a little too strong, you made your posts sound like you hate the Elites and that we should not have any respect for them, I can't say whether this is true or not, merely what I have observed.

I see. I will fix that then. I certainly do not hate them, they are one of the things that I find most interesting in Halo anyway.


All right, I thought it a little odd someone seemingly changing opinions on a matter so suddenly. I agree, it's hard for me to choose favorites in Halo, but Elites are some of the stuff right up there for me.

  • 03.05.2011 5:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: anton1792
This Elite, after being defeated in battle by the Spartan III Headhunter team, starts taking a hissy fit



LMAO, that is as far as i got before laughing.

  • 03.05.2011 5:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.


Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Posted by: HipiO7
I hated how Elite honor was shown in Cole Protocole, at most times it was simply stupid, overworked.

The whole blood thing was pretty dumb to me. I mean I can understand it, but part of being a warrior is get wounded and loosing blood... And then the disrespect for Elite doctors...


They consider bleeding from combat to not be dishonorable. It's out of combat that you are referring to.


Wrong. When Thel assaults the UNSC Do You Feel Lucky over Charibdys(?), one of his Elite´s rush the surviving marines and gets injured. Thel was then ashamed of it comming to this, and this Elite was ashamed of himself.

Something like that. Havent read Cole Protocole in a long time and I dont have it at hand to confirm.

  • 03.09.2011 6:51 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

I cannot believe I wrote this.

Is is so bloody retarded.

:/

Let. It. die.

  • 03.09.2011 7:08 PM PDT

I think of the Elites as a race, hold this code of honor up as their chivalry. Those who follow it are regarded as the pinnacle of honor and excellence, but realistically most Sengheli don't practice it, just like how most humans acknowledge, but don't practice, chivalry.

  • 03.09.2011 8:03 PM PDT

Posted by: AngryBrute1
Oh yeah, since somebody does not believe what YOU believe; that makes us vapid...
I cannot grasp that what you call "Something happened to nothing, and that nothing became something, and it was smaller than than a period."


Posted by: anton1792
I am not getting on at the fact that they have killed over 23 billion Humans and have massacred large populations of other species because that was done in the name of a Religion due to being misled, and not really due to their own state of mind.
Like my awesome 7th grade teacher always said," Almost all wars are fought over religion". They are partially innocent for killing them in misunderstanding. The prophets knew that if word gets out there are living, breathing, "forerunners" (according to 343guilty spark),their power would be undermined. The prophets, the wonderful leaders, are basically spoon-feeding them fresh made -blam-.

  • 03.09.2011 8:22 PM PDT

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