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Subject: Light Sabre (with jedi) vs energy sword (with spartan)


Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: roechuck
but spartans are chemically enhanced soldiers with almost nbeakable bones and xtreme strength with armor that further enhances those modifications. the only thing a jedi has is "the force"


Yes, the force is weak, you know, it hasn't been used to fling ships out of a system, or crush the bones inside a persons body. Or allow massive leaps and insane speed...


Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC
Are we talking about a spartan II or a spartan III? Also is the jedi a Knight or a Master?


Spartan II and Spartan III in MJOLNIR = near exactly the same.

Jedi Knight and Master is only difference in experience... Even then some masters could be beat by knights.

He didnt say the spartan had MJOLNIR he said he/she had an energy sword. So ye it kinda does depend if he/she is a II or a III. Also to become a Jedi Master the Knight needs to be much more than experienced. They need to have amazing sensitivity in the force. Some Knights could have decades of experience and never become a Master.

OP: But anyway if the spartan was a III and the jedi was a Knight I would have to say the jedi on that one. Simply because of one thing. Obv the force. The force can manipulate the strength speed and agility of a jedi on par with a spartan III. But if it the spartan was a II then the spartan would win. But it would be a close shave. However if the jedi was a master the spartan would be destroyed. Hands down. If it was Yoda then the spartan wouldnt even knew what hit him.


And Spartan II and Spartan III, on average, are very very similar in terms of strength, agility, and reflexes. The augmentations yielded the same results.

Simply going "Spartan II = win." or "Jedi master = win." is extremely foolish.

What if we had Six facing a 'weaker' knight?

What if we had Master Chief facing Anakin?

  • 03.06.2011 9:05 AM PDT

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Please explain to me why that is foolish? The OP did not ask for a specific Jedi or Spartan, it asked generally who would win in a fight.And I gave my personal opinion which you appear to be slating sir.

[Edited on 03.06.2011 9:22 AM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 9:14 AM PDT

What I mean, is treating everybody of one 'class' and considerably weak then the other, when there is proof of certain people in that group more powerful/equal to the "better" class, is foolish.

Or at least, I consider it so...

  • 03.06.2011 9:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
What I mean, is treating everybody of one 'class' and considerably weak then the other, when there is proof of certain people in that group more powerful/equal to the "better" class, is foolish.

Or at least, I consider it so...
Such as...?

  • 03.06.2011 9:27 AM PDT


Posted by: IListen2No1isme

Posted by: roechuck
i meant doges



its dodge and jedi would win cuz its trained to use the lightsaber specificly its a swordsman and they cn use the force for long range attacks and if a spartan tried to use a gun they would probly just deflect it with the lightsaber

the force pwns all


As we have seen that lightsabers melt metal (Phantom Menace), it's more likely that a 7.62mm bullet (as fired by the AR) would pass through the lightsaber, and still hit the jedi. The only difference being that it would be a molten blob.

Jedi = dead.
Using the force appears to require alot of concentration. A spartan can quite easily use that to his/her advantage.

I'm not saying it's an easy win. Probably 50/50, except when plot shields are involved.

  • 03.06.2011 9:27 AM PDT

I am the Troll King.

Jedi hands down. Sorry but the abilities the force can give will give a jedi a HUGE advantage. They can force push, force lightning, force choke, force heal, force camo, even one that can make you sick. Also the force can give a jedi super human speed, reaction time, ect.

Together its to much for a spartan to handle.

[Edited on 03.06.2011 9:31 AM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 9:30 AM PDT

I blame myself, not Stosh.

Jedi for the win. Just look at Starkiller.

  • 03.06.2011 9:31 AM PDT


Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
What I mean, is treating everybody of one 'class' and considerably weak then the other, when there is proof of certain people in that group more powerful/equal to the "better" class, is foolish.

Or at least, I consider it so...
Such as...?


Noble Six. Was one of the Spartan III's pulled from the rest for being among the best. Did just as well, if not better, then your average Spartan II on Reach.

Anakin Skywalker. Jedi Knight, was just as good as many of the Jedi Masters. Maybe even better.

Edit: Also, as this is a melee battle, rifles don't count. Bullets are out of the window. Seeing as a ligthsaber duel can/normally ends up like the one at the end of Revenge of the sith, I'm not sure a Spartan could keep up with that.

[Edited on 03.06.2011 9:39 AM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 9:34 AM PDT

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I completely agree with you that a Jedi would defeat a Spartan. But (correct me if I'm wrong) wasn't anakin defeated by a master? His own master infact so he should know his combat tactics, yet obi wan defeated him. Also noble 6 was overwhelmed by a group of elites. Something a Spartan II could have easily handled.

[Edited on 03.06.2011 10:06 AM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 10:02 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Schulzy3
Both are plasma.

Energy sword kills in one hit against a Spartan, what makes the lightsabre a two hit?

It wouldn't matter, because once the Jedi gets the first strike, the second, third and fourth are already being delivered.

Spartans may be enhanced in strength, but they wouldnt win against a skilled Jedi.


1) It depends on the user's strength (human vs an Elite. Which is most likely to cut something better?)

2) A Spartan's speed can be calculated a 0.02 of a second. Ten milliseconds in combat, and if you read the Fall of Reach, the Mark IV armor multiplies your speed reaction by a factor of 5.

Anyone can block a laser, but can they dodge it? Spartans have speed and strength, Jedi have the Force. Its about equal. If a Jedi were to try and land a normal blow, the Spartan would rip its arm off.

Spartans may have quick reaction times, but their reaction times aren't nearly as quick as the reaction times of a Jedi.

In the movies, Jedi block numerous lasers with their lightsabre's in combat. I'm no mathmetician, but I can tell you that Jedi have some serious speed.

Spartans may have genetic enhancements, but the Jedis have the Force. And in my books, genetic mutations < The Force (at least in this case).

  • 03.06.2011 10:08 AM PDT

Spartans have absolutely no way to combat the force. Two force users fighting can combat each other's force abilities, or negate it.

  • 03.06.2011 10:10 AM PDT

Flood's and Universe's Warhammer 40k fanatic and the one who knows much about it.

I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.

When we compare skills of jedi masters to spartans at close combat, it can be said that jedis have far greater skills.

Only advantages that spartans have are their MJOLNIR and enchanted body. Everything else seems to go on jedis side, so I'll go with it this time.

Jedi could just simply use for example force absorb to block spartans attacks and deploy after it other abilities or just simply hack his way through spartan, which doesnt seem to be difficult.

  • 03.06.2011 11:48 AM PDT

I would assume that the fight would be similar to a Jedi vs. Yuuzhan Vong fight. Anyone agree?

  • 03.06.2011 11:53 AM PDT


Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC
I completely agree with you that a Jedi would defeat a Spartan. But (correct me if I'm wrong) wasn't anakin defeated by a master? His own master infact so he should know his combat tactics, yet obi wan defeated him. Also noble 6 was overwhelmed by a group of elites. Something a Spartan II could have easily handled.


A: Anakin was defeated because he was in a blind rage and attacked Obi-wan when Obiwan was ready and waiting.
B: A Spartan II, in that same situation, would have died the same. (Aka, exact same one, wounded, no shields).

  • 03.06.2011 12:01 PM PDT

Jedi have the Force.
Spartans use Genetically altered bodies and heavy armor.

Jedi could take it.

  • 03.06.2011 12:28 PM PDT

With force jedi wins, without force spartan wins.

  • 03.06.2011 12:47 PM PDT

Posted by: Pipboy 3050
jedi's are trained in the whole art of sword fighting, so they will win.


So are the eltes and spartins can still take down hundreds of them

A spartin's speed and strength out matches a regular human's skill

And if a Jedi can use another weapon like the force then a spartin should be able to use his other weapons too

  • 03.06.2011 1:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Brixon kun
Posted by: Pipboy 3050
jedi's are trained in the whole art of sword fighting, so they will win.


So are the elites and Spartans can still take down hundreds of them

A Spartan's speed and strength out matches a regular human's skill

And if a Jedi can use another weapon like the force then a spartan should be able to use his other weapons too


Even if the Jedi couldn't use force abilities, he still has an edge over any Spartan. Enhanced reflexes and precognition. Aka, they could sense where the blow would land. Even without force speed they strike insanely fast, watch the Obi-wan vs Anakin duel, they could attack that fast.

  • 03.06.2011 2:17 PM PDT

a Spartan II can beat any jedi, Elites are stronger and better than any Jedi so..
a Spartan III could win too, specially someone like Carter

oh and a Elite would win too, easily

  • 03.06.2011 2:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Councilor_117H2
a Spartan II can beat any jedi, Elites are stronger and better than any Jedi so..
a Spartan III could win too, specially someone like Carter

oh and a Elite would win too, easily


Heh, it's a wonder somebody didn't post something random like this sooner.

  • 03.06.2011 2:32 PM PDT

So much idiocy in this topic.

First, A Spartan III is from a less genetically robust selection. On average, while superhuman, the S3's are inferior to the S2's. However, the augmentation processes (while different in approach) yeild the exact same results, and the S3's who met the S2 genetic profile (like Noble Team) were extracted and given MJOLNIR. These S3's are exactly identical in all respects to the S2's.

Secondly, Spartan cannot dodge bullets. They cannot block them with swords. Jedi can. The Force lets them cheat. They literally know, before you have decided to do it, where you are going to strike and shoot. They have trained all their lives in sword fighting, while the Spartan have not.

Considering a Plasma Sword burns right through shields, a lightsaber would do the same. Inside armor, outside armor, unless the Spartan is ambushing the Jedi, he doesn't stand much of a chance.

I hate Star Wars, but you have to admit the truth here. It's different universes, and Star Wars is broken. Hell, they could just rend the Spartan's heart with the Force regardless of armor if they didn't mind going dark. Dark siders do this all the time to non-Force users.

  • 03.06.2011 2:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Councilor_117H2
a Spartan II can beat any jedi, Elites are stronger and better than any Jedi so..
a Spartan III could win too, specially someone like Carter

oh and a Elite would win too, easily


Heh, it's a wonder somebody didn't post something random like this sooner.


HAHAHA random? lol
werid comment.. o.o bit scary, if you think its random ok... ok.. you are right haha

  • 03.06.2011 2:45 PM PDT


Posted by: Councilor_117H2

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Councilor_117H2
a Spartan II can beat any jedi, Elites are stronger and better than any Jedi so..
a Spartan III could win too, specially someone like Carter

oh and a Elite would win too, easily


Heh, it's a wonder somebody didn't post something random like this sooner.


HAHAHA random? lol
werid comment.. o.o bit scary, if you think its random ok... ok.. you are right haha


*shrug* Nothing meant really, just surprised I hadn't seen somebody outright go "Spartans win." lol.

  • 03.06.2011 2:48 PM PDT

a Jedi vs a Spartan without mjolnir armor would be intrasting, a even match

  • 03.06.2011 2:53 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Councilor_117H2

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Councilor_117H2
a Spartan II can beat any jedi, Elites are stronger and better than any Jedi so..
a Spartan III could win too, specially someone like Carter

oh and a Elite would win too, easily


Heh, it's a wonder somebody didn't post something random like this sooner.


HAHAHA random? lol
werid comment.. o.o bit scary, if you think its random ok... ok.. you are right haha


*shrug* Nothing meant really, just surprised I hadn't seen somebody outright go "Spartans win." lol.


its ok, I'm not saying that any spartan could beat any jedi... there are many things, variables that could change the final result of a fight

  • 03.06.2011 2:56 PM PDT

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