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Subject: Is Armor Lock Cannon?

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Armor Lock is not Canon, nor is any of the Armor Abilities, they are just in Halo: Reach for game-play reasons.


Armour Lock was used by John when he fell from the Keyship. The way it is seen in gameplay doesn't reflect the way how it actually works, all damage is diverted to the gel layer.

Active Camouflage has been used in every single Halo.

Sprint is just something everyone can do naturally.

Hologram was in Halo 2, Sesa 'Refumee uses the Holo-Drones (though they're significantly more advanced than Reach's hologram).

Evade is another thing Elites do every time they appear.

Jetpack/Jump Pack/Anti-Grav Pack is used in Halo 2, 3 and ODST by Elites and Brutes alike.

These "Armour Abilities" are canon material, but they're altered in gameplay.

  • 03.07.2011 8:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Armor Lock is not Canon, nor is any of the Armor Abilities, they are just in Halo: Reach for game-play reasons.


Armour Lock was used by John when he fell from the Keyship. The way it is seen in gameplay doesn't reflect the way how it actually works, all damage is diverted to the gel layer.

Active Camouflage has been used in every single Halo.

Sprint is just something everyone can do naturally.

Hologram was in Halo 2, Sesa 'Refumee uses the Holo-Drones (though they're significantly more advanced than Reach's hologram).

Evade is another thing Elites do every time they appear.

Jetpack/Jump Pack/Anti-Grav Pack is used in Halo 2, 3 and ODST by Elites and Brutes alike.

These "Armour Abilities" are canon material, but they're altered in gameplay.


I agree completely.

  • 03.07.2011 8:26 AM PDT

The Armor Lock in Reach is not the same one that Chief used in Halo 3. Reach's Armor Lock was an add on, like all the other Armor Abilities, to the Mark V armor, they were meant to be interchangeable features. Now the Sprint in Reach, it's probably just supposed to be normal sprinting when you use it, as the NPC members of Noble Team all have Armor Lock and can still sprint. However the Sprint AA is different than normal sprinting, which a Spartan can do normally, the Sprint AA overloads the safety feature of the Mjolner Armor and allows to the Spartan to really push themselves and reach a speed they normally couldn't without the AA.

Back to AL, since it is not the same as thing as merely locking the joints to the armor, like Chief did in Halo 3, or Red Team did in First Strike, or even Jorge and Six locking the joints to their armor when their Falcon crashes in ToTS. So yes, Armor Lock does do exactly what it does in game play, well as exact every other gameplay feature is.

  • 03.07.2011 1:20 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Armor Lock is not Canon, nor is any of the Armor Abilities, they are just in Halo: Reach for game-play reasons.


Armour Lock was used by John when he fell from the Keyship. The way it is seen in gameplay doesn't reflect the way how it actually works, all damage is diverted to the gel layer.

Active Camouflage has been used in every single Halo.

Sprint is just something everyone can do naturally.

Hologram was in Halo 2, Sesa 'Refumee uses the Holo-Drones (though they're significantly more advanced than Reach's hologram).

Evade is another thing Elites do every time they appear.

Jetpack/Jump Pack/Anti-Grav Pack is used in Halo 2, 3 and ODST by Elites and Brutes alike.

These "Armour Abilities" are canon material, but they're altered in gameplay.


I never got why those holo-drones could hurt you. Holograms, no matter how advanced, cannot hold plasma rifles. Of course that could have just been a gameplay thing.

  • 03.07.2011 1:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
real bs, especially since spartans sprint in the books as fast as warthogs go in the game.


No they don't. If I recall correctly, and please do correct me if I'm mistaken, Mendez states that the Spartans can only run bursts of around 32 kilometers per hour with Kelly being slightly faster.

32 kilometers is a relatively slow speed for a fast jeep like the hog.

  • 03.07.2011 1:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
real bs, especially since spartans sprint in the books as fast as warthogs go in the game.


No they don't. If I recall correctly, and please do correct me if I'm mistaken, Mendez states that the Spartans can only run bursts of around 32 kilometers per hour with Kelly being slightly faster.

32 kilometers is a relatively slow speed for a fast jeep like the hog.


I recall Kelly running at about 66MPH at some point.

  • 03.07.2011 1:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: StealthSlasher2
Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
real bs, especially since spartans sprint in the books as fast as warthogs go in the game.


No they don't. If I recall correctly, and please do correct me if I'm mistaken, Mendez states that the Spartans can only run bursts of around 32 kilometers per hour with Kelly being slightly faster.

32 kilometers is a relatively slow speed for a fast jeep like the hog.


I recall Kelly running at about 66MPH at some point.


Hmmm are you referring to the beginning of Fall of Reach in the prologue? I don't have my books on hand so I can't look it up at the moment.

Also I have just realized I did not put into consideration that the speed I have listed refers to their speeds without MJOLNIR armor augmenting them. Still I don't recall them ever having a max speed listed in the books with the armor, and even then if that speed can be consistently maintained to the speed of a warthog going at max speed.

  • 03.07.2011 1:50 PM PDT
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"Lock your armor, Spartan."

It's canon. It's how the Chief survived that fall from orbit.

Probably doesn't work quite like it appears in gameplay, though. Wouldn't save you from everything ever.

  • 03.07.2011 1:55 PM PDT

they sprint at least 55km/h down a hallway once as a group, not even just kelly.

And the warthog goes relatively slow in game, about 60km/h max

Kelly could hit 62 km/h according to stats.

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  • 03.07.2011 2:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
they sprint at least 55km/h down a hallway once as a group, not even just kelly.

And the warthog goes relatively slow in game, about 60km/h max


Source for the 55km/h sprint down the hallway being?

  • 03.07.2011 2:08 PM PDT

I think it was first strike, could be wrong.

  • 03.07.2011 2:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Armor Lock is not Canon, nor is any of the Armor Abilities, they are just in Halo: Reach for game-play reasons.


Armour Lock was used by John when he fell from the Keyship. The way it is seen in gameplay doesn't reflect the way how it actually works, all damage is diverted to the gel layer.

Active Camouflage has been used in every single Halo.

Sprint is just something everyone can do naturally.

Hologram was in Halo 2, Sesa 'Refumee uses the Holo-Drones (though they're significantly more advanced than Reach's hologram).

Evade is another thing Elites do every time they appear.

Jetpack/Jump Pack/Anti-Grav Pack is used in Halo 2, 3 and ODST by Elites and Brutes alike.

These "Armour Abilities" are canon material, but they're altered in gameplay.


I meant canon in the way they appear in Reach.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Armor Lock is not Canon, nor is any of the Armor Abilities, they are just in Halo: Reach for game-play reasons.


Armour Lock was used by John when he fell from the Keyship. The way it is seen in gameplay doesn't reflect the way how it actually works, all damage is diverted to the gel layer.

Active Camouflage has been used in every single Halo.

Sprint is just something everyone can do naturally.

Hologram was in Halo 2, Sesa 'Refumee uses the Holo-Drones (though they're significantly more advanced than Reach's hologram).

Evade is another thing Elites do every time they appear.

Jetpack/Jump Pack/Anti-Grav Pack is used in Halo 2, 3 and ODST by Elites and Brutes alike.

These "Armour Abilities" are canon material, but they're altered in gameplay.


I meant canon in the way they appear in Reach.


They are canon, Reach was used to develop new technology and the AAs were prototype models being distributed for tests before being mass produced. They are not featured in other games because they were all destroyed on Reach.

  • 03.07.2011 3:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
Kelly could hit 62 km/h according to stats.


Stats from where?

  • 03.07.2011 3:31 PM PDT

"Your spartans can run at bursts of up to 55 KPH" he explained(Mendez). "Kelly can run a little faster, I think. They will only get quicker as their bodies adjust to the 'alterations' we've made..." Fall of Reach, pg. 73. Note that this is before MJOLNIR was introduced.
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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
Kelly could hit 62 km/h according to stats.


Stats from where?

  • 03.07.2011 3:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: rifte gifle
"Your spartans can run at bursts of up to 55 KPH" he explained(Mendez). "Kelly can run a little faster, I think. They will only get quicker as their bodies adjust to the 'alterations' we've made..." Fall of Reach, pg. 73. Note that this is before MJOLNIR was introduced.
Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
Kelly could hit 62 km/h according to stats.


Stats from where?


Hmm indeed, so there is still no known max speed for any of the Spartans with MJOLNIR then?

  • 03.07.2011 3:42 PM PDT

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: rifte gifle
"Your spartans can run at bursts of up to 55 KPH" he explained(Mendez). "Kelly can run a little faster, I think. They will only get quicker as their bodies adjust to the 'alterations' we've made..." Fall of Reach, pg. 73. Note that this is before MJOLNIR was introduced.
Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
Kelly could hit 62 km/h according to stats.


Stats from where?


Hmm indeed, so there is still no known max speed for any of the Spartans with MJOLNIR then?

Not that I know of, though I think it'd be safe to assume that if a spartan without MJOLNIR could hit 55 KPH, a spartan wearing armor that enhances every physical ability should be able to get to 62 KPH easily. IMO, in custom games in halo 3 where you set the settings to 300% speed, is what spartans should be able to run like.

On topic: Gameplay armor lock is not canon. Reasons for this have already been stated a dozen times.

  • 03.07.2011 4:06 PM PDT

"LOCK YOUR ARMOR, SPARTAN"

  • 03.07.2011 4:14 PM PDT

all AA's are canon coz bungie says so


Armor Lock > 2012

  • 03.07.2011 4:16 PM PDT

I am the God Emprah of Mankind.

Deal with it.

Actually Halo: reach game play armor lock is canon, in the manual it states all of the armor abilities and how the UNSC obtained them. It was created by studying the covenant version and then they adapted it for spartan use. The armor lock MC uses in Halo 3 is a different type that is equipped in all mjolnr armor, it stiffens the suit keeping him in position. While the armor lock in Halo reach freezes the user and makes him invulnerable to gunfire and explosives.

  • 04.24.2011 1:16 PM PDT

Armor Lock is just as canon as the jetpack, but it's still ridiculous. I can even stop a MAC round (the Onager).

  • 04.24.2011 1:39 PM PDT


Posted by: spurkis
Armor Lock is just as canon as the jetpack, but it's still ridiculous. I can even stop a MAC round (the Onager).


Wha?

  • 04.24.2011 1:43 PM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Reach is such a failure, I don't consider any of it canon.

  • 04.24.2011 1:51 PM PDT

Probably not.

  • 04.24.2011 1:54 PM PDT