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Subject: Is Armor Lock Cannon?


Posted by: Wazooty
Sprint shouldn't even be an armor ability. All spartans can sprint considerably faster than the average human.

Same goes for evade. Last i checked all elites can jump out of the way of something, which, common sense as it may sound, is not something that any other species hasn't really wrapped its mind around completely.

[Edited on 04.25.2011 10:13 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 10:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Armor Lock is not Canon, nor is any of the Armor Abilities, they are just in Halo: Reach for game-play reasons.

Here are the ones that are canon:
Sprint (this is natural for all Spartans)
Jet Pack
Evade (also natural)

Armor Abilities such as:
Active Camo
Drop Shield
Armor Lock
Hologram

are all Covie armor abilities. I forgot where, but supposidly those four where experimented by ONI and was being used on Reach. But when Reach fell, so too did all research on the tech. The Bubble Shield is the only thing that made it out of Reach (based off the Drop Shield)
A Spartan locking his/her armor has been in canon for a long time, but it isn't the way it's seen in Reach. Remember the scene where the Falcon goes through the EMP shield and Jorge says "Lock your armor Spartan!"

  • 04.25.2011 10:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Armor Lock is not Canon, nor is any of the Armor Abilities, they are just in Halo: Reach for game-play reasons.

Here are the ones that are canon:
Sprint (this is natural for all Spartans)
Jet Pack
Evade (also natural)

Armor Abilities such as:
Active Camo
Drop Shield
Armor Lock
Hologram

are all Covie armor abilities. I forgot where, but supposidly those four where experimented by ONI and was being used on Reach. But when Reach fell, so too did all research on the tech. The Bubble Shield is the only thing that made it out of Reach (based off the Drop Shield)
A Spartan locking his/her armor has been in canon for a long time, but it isn't the way it's seen in Reach. Remember the scene where the Falcon goes through the EMP shield and Jorge says "Lock your armor Spartan!"


What I meant is that they are not canon in the way they are portrayed in the game.

  • 04.25.2011 10:21 PM PDT
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Apparently yes ,but it is not a battlefield device ,more like a failsafe device.

Play "Arrival" on Halo 3 if you don't believe this.

  • 04.26.2011 5:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: OrderedComa
Look at what Chief did to his ankle(s) when he first tested out the Mark V armor. That's the whole reason for safety features being place in the armor to regulate speed. So clearly they can be injured from running. And also, the Mjolner essentially becomes an extension of their body, and all the programs or features adjust to match the Spartan, so any limiters in Kelly's armor would not be hit at the same point as they would with Master Chief in his armor.

That was because he was running as fast as he could. Anyone should know when they have to run slower and when they're in a situation where they have to run as fast as possible safety features would just be slowing them down.

Safety features are useless for all situations and that's why Sprint as an armor ability is too. Only way I could se Sprint work would be additional strength from an additional liquid crystal layer or/and force-multiplying circuits. But it definitely isn't for overriding safety features.

Evade is just as canon as Sprint is, the UNSC doesn't know exactly what Evade does, but they know that it increases mobility, obviously something that would be useful for enhancing your innate ability to roll/dodge.
Evade probably does the same thing as I described with Sprint. I trust my own theories much more than game instruction manuals. Making too much safety features would just be waste of time and potential. When you need to run for your life you do it. Being slowed down by "safety" features when in life danger seems pretty contradictory to me.

  • 04.26.2011 6:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101
obviously sprint and evade are not AAs, and i don't care what the Manuel says about spartans "hurting themselves why running" that is just mockery.


It's mockery, despite the fact The Fall of Reach says that is can happen?


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Drop Shield makes sense canonically, something similar was seen during The Prototype


Or the Halo 3 trailer with the bubble shield grenade.

The pose when activating drop shield is the exact same one as that one.


Elites don't need an AA to do a roll, spartans don't need an key to run fast. I believe that kelly ran about 50-70MPH with no problem whatsoever.

  • 04.26.2011 8:40 AM PDT

Posted by: tsassi2

[Evade is just as canon as Sprint is, the UNSC doesn't know exactly what Evade does, but they know that it increases mobility, obviously something that would be useful for enhancing your innate ability to roll/dodge.[/quote]
Evade probably does the same thing as I described with Sprint. I trust my own theories much more than game instruction manuals. Making too much safety features would just be waste of time and potential. When you need to run for your life you do it. Being slowed down by "safety" features when in life danger seems pretty contradictory to me.


i bet the AI MC had could turn it off, we don't ever play as another spartan (except 6) and i doubt the game engine could allow more than one AA. still it would be cool to play MM/campaign where everything canon

  • 04.26.2011 2:27 PM PDT

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Where were you when this happened:

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It was very depressing losing the argument to -blam!- doosh bags.


the AA is actually called "armor lockup" not "armor lock", it seems insignifigant, i know, but it could make all the differance

  • 04.26.2011 2:40 PM PDT

Posted by: tsassi2
That was because he was running as fast as he could. Anyone should know when they have to run slower and when they're in a situation where they have to run as fast as possible safety features would just be slowing them down.

Safety features are useless for all situations and that's why Sprint as an armor ability is too. Only way I could se Sprint work would be additional strength from an additional liquid crystal layer or/and force-multiplying circuits. But it definitely isn't for overriding safety features.


I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to say here :/

What I am getting is that you think the safety feature is a stupid idea and pointless/dangerous. Going without a safety feature would be even more dangerous, again, look what Chief did to his ankle pushing it to the maximum speed he could, imagine what he would of done to himself had there been no safety feature in place. Spartans are by no means slow with this thing in place.

Evade probably does the same thing as I described with Sprint. I trust my own theories much more than game instruction manuals. Making too much safety features would just be waste of time and potential. When you need to run for your life you do it. Being slowed down by "safety" features when in life danger seems pretty contradictory to me.

Evade isn't related in any way to how the Sprint AA functions, at least not really, Evade is not overriding any safety features, no one here has said anything of sort, all we know is that it increases mobility in some way. Again, the way that Sprint and Evade function in the game is not the way they work in canon.

  • 04.26.2011 2:43 PM PDT

Evade isn't related in any way to how the Sprint AA functions, at least not really, Evade is not overriding any safety features, no one here has said anything of sort, all we know is that it increases mobility in some way. Again, the way that Sprint and Evade function in the game is not the way they work in canon.
perhaps evade just depressurizes the gel layer around the joints, making them more flexible

  • 04.26.2011 2:56 PM PDT


Posted by: jeffgodofPIE
Evade isn't related in any way to how the Sprint AA functions, at least not really, Evade is not overriding any safety features, no one here has said anything of sort, all we know is that it increases mobility in some way. Again, the way that Sprint and Evade function in the game is not the way they work in canon.
perhaps evade just depressurizes the gel layer around the joints, making them more flexible


That's a possible explanation, makes sense to me at least.

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Posted by: grey101

Elites don't need an AA to do a roll, spartans don't need an key to run fast. I believe that kelly ran about 50-70MPH with no problem whatsoever.



Yes she may have ran that fast but it was John tearing his Achilles Tendon apart when he ran over 100MPH which may have been why Sprint was implemented

  • 04.26.2011 4:04 PM PDT


Posted by:Switch 104 sv

The reason Noble Team were using AAs that the IIs were not equipped with is because Reach was home to all the cool stuff and Spartan IIIs were used for field testing.


Only spartan II's are trained on Reach, The III series were all trained on ONYX.
And in Ghosts of Onyx doesn't Dr. Halsey equip Kelly, John and i think Will with armor prototype AA's

[Edited on 04.26.2011 6:34 PM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 6:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: LoneRanger 521

Posted by:Switch 104 sv

The reason Noble Team were using AAs that the IIs were not equipped with is because Reach was home to all the cool stuff and Spartan IIIs were used for field testing.


Only spartan II's are trained on Reach, The III series were all trained on ONYX.
And in Ghosts of Onyx doesn't Dr. Halsey equip Kelly, John and i think Will with armor prototype AA's


He never said anything about them training there, he just said how the new technology was developed at Reach and they were being used as field testers.

And no, Halsey gave them spare parts for their armor that had yet to be field tested.

  • 04.26.2011 7:00 PM PDT

Indeed u are right...
I was basically trying to say that Armor Lock doesnt break the canon. The fact the there was a team of S-III's on reach does.

[Edited on 04.26.2011 7:17 PM PDT]

  • 04.26.2011 7:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: LoneRanger 521
Indeed u are right, but there were never Spartan III's on Reach in the first place. So while they would still be testing new equipment,.. It woulda been on ONYX.


There's never a mention of no Spartan III's being on Reach, while most of the companies died in Prometheus and Torpedo, there must be more Spartans seeing how headhunters were pulled out of the companies, so I wouldn't doubt ONI would use them as test subjects for new technology.

  • 04.26.2011 7:17 PM PDT


Posted by: LoneRanger 521
Indeed u are right...
I was basically trying to say that Armor Lock doesnt break the canon. The fact the there was a team of S-III's on reach does.


*facepalm*

Noble Team has already gone through training. They are actively deployed in the field, and Reach just so happens to be where they were deployed at that particular time. There nothing at all wrong canon wise with a group of six, or more, IIIs being on Reach.

  • 04.26.2011 7:20 PM PDT

but there were only 6 s-III's and they were on highly classified low-profile missions most of the time, so it's plausible that it was just classified intel. thats why we didn't know about them.

  • 04.26.2011 7:20 PM PDT

I think that the saftey protocols inside the MJOLNIR armour is perfectly fine after Master Chief ripped a tendan in one of his legs in the book Fall of Reach. And on the battlefield the safety protocols are made because ONI does'nt want that to happen again to another one of there valuable SPARTANS to temporarily paralyse them, under heavy plasma fire and who knows what else.

  • 04.26.2011 7:30 PM PDT

its been awile since i read all the books.. But werent the III's created after Reach fell?

  • 04.26.2011 7:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: LoneRanger 521
its been awile since i read all the books.. But werent the III's created after Reach fell?


No, the Spartan III companies were created in 2531, 2537 and 2543.

  • 04.26.2011 7:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: LoneRanger 521
Indeed u are right...
I was basically trying to say that Armor Lock doesnt break the canon. The fact the there was a team of S-III's on reach does.

There is nothing that says there weren't any S-III's on Reach. And considering we still know very little about the fighting on the ground we can't really say anything about what was or wasn't on the planet.

  • 04.26.2011 9:11 PM PDT

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Canon AA's: Sprint, Jet Pack, Evade, Drop shield, Active Camo

Non-Canon AA's: Armor Lock, Hologram

Canon AA's Not In Game: Locking Armor

  • 04.26.2011 10:47 PM PDT