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Subject: Is Armor Lock Cannon?

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Posted by: Rammal94
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Armor Lock is not Canon, nor is any of the Armor Abilities, they are just in Halo: Reach for game-play reasons.


Actually, the jet pack is canon...and so is armour lock, technically. However the gameplay version of armour lock is very different to campaign canon armour lock, which is used by Masterchief at the start of Halo 3. (Locked armour)

The canon version of the jetpack seems more powerful than the multiplayer version as well, if you have watched Deliver Hope.


Hologram may be canon too, Sesa 'Refumee uses the holo drones in Halo 2 which is what Bungie obviously drew inspiration from.

Active Camouflage is canon.

Evade is canon.

Drop Shield could be said to be an early prototype of the Bubble Shield.

  • 04.24.2011 2:07 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

The game manual itself,gives canon info on the armor abilities.

  • 04.24.2011 2:15 PM PDT
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I really hope the AAs aren't canon. The MJOLNIR armor is not invincible, you can't just punch the ground and be able to survive anything.

  • 04.24.2011 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: xXFatal v1
I really hope the AAs aren't canon. The MJOLNIR armor is not invincible, you can't just punch the ground and be able to survive anything.


Unfortunately, this is the kind of shyte that happens when a developer is mandated a project in a universe they're fed up with.

  • 04.24.2011 2:50 PM PDT

think of sprint/evade this way.

in Halo CE,2,3 you play as master chief, and you usually have Cortana in your armor. Cortana is a hyper-intelligent A.I construct that most likely can control the armors safety parameters. thus MC has no need of the sprint override. noble team, however, doesn't carry A.I.s in their armor. their armor probably wasn't AI compatible
(they were sent on suicide missions after all.)

in other words, cortana can cancel chiefs safety features when necessary (explains why he sprints in some cut-scenes). but noble team doesn't have that advantage so they use these overrides.

and as far as the slow in-game run speed, if you ran a cannon speed in-game you probably would not be able to reliably control your movement (cause Spartans are fast-as-hell)

  • 04.24.2011 3:26 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: xXFatal v1
I really hope the AAs aren't canon. The MJOLNIR armor is not invincible, you can't just punch the ground and be able to survive anything.


Unfortunately, this is the kind of shyte that happens when a developer is mandated a project in a universe they're fed up with.


Only, every single thing I've seen said Bungie was not fed up with halo.

Also, armor lock simply overcharges your shields, it doesn't mean you'll survive a glassing or your armor will magically survive a splazer blast when armor lock is inactive.

Posted by: jeffgodofPIE
think of sprint/evade this way.

in Halo CE,2,3 you play as master chief, and you usually have Cortana in your armor. Cortana is a hyper-intelligent A.I construct that most likely can control the armors safety parameters. thus MC has no need of the sprint override. noble team, however, doesn't carry A.I.s in their armor. their armor probably wasn't AI compatible
(they were sent on suicide missions after all.)

in other words, cortana can cancel chiefs safety features when necessary (explains why he sprints in some cut-scenes). but noble team doesn't have that advantage so they use these overrides.

and as far as the slow in-game run speed, if you ran a cannon speed in-game you probably would not be able to reliably control your movement (cause Spartans are fast-as-hell)


Noble team had Mark V. Mark V is AI compatible.

  • 04.24.2011 3:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: xXFatal v1
I really hope the AAs aren't canon. The MJOLNIR armor is not invincible, you can't just punch the ground and be able to survive anything.


Unfortunately, this is the kind of shyte that happens when a developer is mandated a project in a universe they're fed up with.


Only, every single thing I've seen said Bungie was not fed up with halo.

Also, armor lock simply overcharges your shields, it doesn't mean you'll survive a glassing or your armor will magically survive a splazer blast when armor lock is inactive.

Posted by: jeffgodofPIE
think of sprint/evade this way.

in Halo CE,2,3 you play as master chief, and you usually have Cortana in your armor. Cortana is a hyper-intelligent A.I construct that most likely can control the armors safety parameters. thus MC has no need of the sprint override. noble team, however, doesn't carry A.I.s in their armor. their armor probably wasn't AI compatible
(they were sent on suicide missions after all.)

in other words, cortana can cancel chiefs safety features when necessary (explains why he sprints in some cut-scenes). but noble team doesn't have that advantage so they use these overrides.

and as far as the slow in-game run speed, if you ran a cannon speed in-game you probably would not be able to reliably control your movement (cause Spartans are fast-as-hell)


Noble team had Mark V. Mark V is AI compatible.


regardless they did not carry an AI with them, or if they did it was most likely a 'dumb' AI. also cortana, for all intents and purposes, is halsey so she could operate the Mijonir exceptionally

  • 04.24.2011 3:45 PM PDT
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Esro 'Ecaulee is my name, and I wear black armour....

No because things from the GAME aren't cannon, but PLAYER opinions are.

C'mon guys, if it weren't for the game we wouldn't have Halo cannon.

  • 04.24.2011 4:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Wazooty
So safe speed = the pitiful jog they go when not sprinting? That is BS.


The way the Sprint functions in game is not how the actual Sprint AA works. I'd assume that in gameplay it's just like the sprint in CoD, IE meant to be normal running. The argument for Sprint AA not being like it really is in canon, and just being running, is backed up by what the Noble Team AI can do, they sprint in the first level, and yet they all also have Armor Lock, so in game Sprint is just normal running, like what they do in the books, in canon, not gameplay, Sprint allows them to override the safety features of the armor and run even faster than normally possible.

  • 04.24.2011 8:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wazooty
So safe speed = the pitiful jog they go when not sprinting? That is BS.


The way the Sprint functions in game is not how the actual Sprint AA works. I'd assume that in gameplay it's just like the sprint in CoD, IE meant to be normal running. The argument for Sprint AA not being like it really is in canon, and just being running, is backed up by what the Noble Team AI can do, they sprint in the first level, and yet they all also have Armor Lock, so in game Sprint is just normal running, like what they do in the books, in canon, not gameplay, Sprint allows them to override the safety features of the armor and run even faster than normally possible.

Imagine what Kelly could do with Sprint.

  • 04.24.2011 8:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wazooty
So safe speed = the pitiful jog they go when not sprinting? That is BS.


The way the Sprint functions in game is not how the actual Sprint AA works. I'd assume that in gameplay it's just like the sprint in CoD, IE meant to be normal running. The argument for Sprint AA not being like it really is in canon, and just being running, is backed up by what the Noble Team AI can do, they sprint in the first level, and yet they all also have Armor Lock, so in game Sprint is just normal running, like what they do in the books, in canon, not gameplay, Sprint allows them to override the safety features of the armor and run even faster than normally possible.

Imagine what Kelly could do with Sprint.

I still don't think Sprint is canon. Kelly ran 62 kph. If there were any safety features, they would probably be below that, 50 kph maybe. Where would they need those safety features anyway? There is no reasonable explanation for that. Maybe UNSC were afraid that their Spartans run away and can't be catched with Warthogs. There is no other explanation. Spartans already have nearly unbreakable bones and super strong and flexible muscles. No matter how fast they ran they wouldn't get injured. Kelly is a good example of that.

Edit: Of course we always have another non-canon Armor Ability, Evade. Who would need an Armor Ability to dodge?

[Edited on 04.24.2011 10:07 PM PDT]

  • 04.24.2011 10:04 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wazooty
So safe speed = the pitiful jog they go when not sprinting? That is BS.


The way the Sprint functions in game is not how the actual Sprint AA works. I'd assume that in gameplay it's just like the sprint in CoD, IE meant to be normal running. The argument for Sprint AA not being like it really is in canon, and just being running, is backed up by what the Noble Team AI can do, they sprint in the first level, and yet they all also have Armor Lock, so in game Sprint is just normal running, like what they do in the books, in canon, not gameplay, Sprint allows them to override the safety features of the armor and run even faster than normally possible.

Imagine what Kelly could do with Sprint.

I still don't think Sprint is canon. Kelly ran 62 kph. If there were any safety features, they would probably be below that, 50 kph maybe. Where would they need those safety features anyway? There is no reasonable explanation for that. Maybe UNSC were afraid that their Spartans run away and can't be catched with Warthogs. There is no other explanation. Spartans already have nearly unbreakable bones and super strong and flexible muscles. No matter how fast they ran they wouldn't get injured. Kelly is a good example of that.

Edit: Of course we always have another non-canon Armor Ability, Evade. Who would need an Armor Ability to dodge?


Master Chief. Sprinted and tore his ankles up.

I'd call that running fast enough to cause injury.

  • 04.24.2011 10:45 PM PDT

that, or maybe Bungie just got unlucky and their engine wouldn't allow a permanent sprint/evade... and the only way it would work would to add it as an AA (that, and balance.)

regardless, Spartans did have safety features in their armor, to prevent them from killing themselves. and MC was lucky enough to have an AI as good as Cortana in his armor most of the time, so she could turn off his safety features when necessary. noble team did not.

so yes, i think it's canon, and Reach's story justifies not being able to sprint at will.
and so does CE,2,3. think about it, if MC could move unrestricted at all times, he probably would have killed himself before he got off the P.o.A

  • 04.25.2011 5:03 AM PDT

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Is Armour Lock cannon

No, it's an armour ability that makes you Invunrable for four seconds on a full charge.

  • 04.25.2011 5:47 AM PDT


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Posted by: Wazooty
So safe speed = the pitiful jog they go when not sprinting? That is BS.


The way the Sprint functions in game is not how the actual Sprint AA works. I'd assume that in gameplay it's just like the sprint in CoD, IE meant to be normal running. The argument for Sprint AA not being like it really is in canon, and just being running, is backed up by what the Noble Team AI can do, they sprint in the first level, and yet they all also have Armor Lock, so in game Sprint is just normal running, like what they do in the books, in canon, not gameplay, Sprint allows them to override the safety features of the armor and run even faster than normally possible.

Imagine what Kelly could do with Sprint.

I still don't think Sprint is canon. Kelly ran 62 kph. If there were any safety features, they would probably be below that, 50 kph maybe. Where would they need those safety features anyway? There is no reasonable explanation for that. Maybe UNSC were afraid that their Spartans run away and can't be catched with Warthogs. There is no other explanation. Spartans already have nearly unbreakable bones and super strong and flexible muscles. No matter how fast they ran they wouldn't get injured. Kelly is a good example of that.

Edit: Of course we always have another non-canon Armor Ability, Evade. Who would need an Armor Ability to dodge?


Look at what Chief did to his ankle(s) when he first tested out the Mark V armor. That's the whole reason for safety features being place in the armor to regulate speed. So clearly they can be injured from running. And also, the Mjolner essentially becomes an extension of their body, and all the programs or features adjust to match the Spartan, so any limiters in Kelly's armor would not be hit at the same point as they would with Master Chief in his armor.

The way Sprint functions in gameplay is not the way the ability actually works in the canon. Spartans can obviously sprint and run without any AA, Sprint in gameplay is merely just meant to be running, as the NPC members of Noble Team are equipped with Armor Lock, yet they're all seen sprinting in the first level. So the ability "Sprint" is completely canon, but the way it functions in the actual gameplay for Reach is not canon. Same with the Jetpack, to see how it really functions just watch the Deliver Hope trailer.

Evade is just as canon as Sprint is, the UNSC doesn't know exactly what Evade does, but they know that it increases mobility, obviously something that would be useful for enhancing your innate ability to roll/dodge.

  • 04.25.2011 1:26 PM PDT

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real bs, especially since spartans sprint in the books as fast as warthogs go in the game.


Sustaining that speed can be harmful, something that was proven when John tore his Achilles Heel while testing the Mark V.


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  • 04.25.2011 1:31 PM PDT


Posted by: Wazooty
So safe speed = the pitiful jog they go when not sprinting? That is BS.


Um, face it, in gameplay we don't see Spartans moving as they probably would in a book or something.

  • 04.25.2011 1:54 PM PDT

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Yes, they are canon. Well, most of them. Reach was the military planet and the UNSC was experimenting with certain things. So yes, Armor Lock and Jetpack is most likely canon.

  • 04.25.2011 2:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

AA's are canon just not in the ways they are used.

obviously sprint and evade are not AAs, and i don't care what the Manuel says about spartans "hurting themselves why running" that is just mockery.

Camo is probably the only true armor ability in the fact that it is embedded in the armor, this is canon.


Armor lock is canon just not in the form it is used in the game.

Jetpack wouldn't be an Armor ability, but is canon.

hologram i can see being a UNSC reverse engineered prototype of the holodrone and don't see an issue with it being canon.

  • 04.25.2011 2:43 PM PDT

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Drop Shield makes sense canonically, something similar was seen during The Prototype

  • 04.25.2011 2:46 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
obviously sprint and evade are not AAs, and i don't care what the Manuel says about spartans "hurting themselves why running" that is just mockery.


It's mockery, despite the fact The Fall of Reach says that is can happen?


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Drop Shield makes sense canonically, something similar was seen during The Prototype


Or the Halo 3 trailer with the bubble shield grenade.

The pose when activating drop shield is the exact same one as that one.

[Edited on 04.25.2011 2:56 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 2:54 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
AA's are canon just not in the ways they are used.

obviously sprint and evade are not AAs, and i don't care what the Manuel says about spartans "hurting themselves why running" that is just mockery.

Camo is probably the only true armor ability in the fact that it is embedded in the armor, this is canon.


Armor lock is canon just not in the form it is used in the game.

Jetpack wouldn't be an Armor ability, but is canon.

hologram i can see being a UNSC reverse engineered prototype of the holodrone and don't see an issue with it being canon.


I'm just going to deal with Armor Lock here.

There is a big difference between a Spartan "locking their armor" and the Armor Ability Armor Lock. The ability Armor Lock essentially overloads the shields and creates an EMP field around the user, the armor locking up is a side affect I'd assume of diverting most of the Mjolner's power to the shields. What Master Chief, and Six and Jorge did is totally different from Armor Lock, while it does lock the armor up, it doesn't produce the EMP field, and it can be triggered in the air, while the AA Armor Lock cannot.

  • 04.25.2011 4:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Drop Shield makes sense canonically, something similar was seen during The Prototype


Or the Halo 3 trailer with the bubble shield grenade.

The pose when activating drop shield is the exact same one as that one.

Something similar was also used in Halo Legends on the Package.

  • 04.25.2011 7:06 PM PDT

Just so you all know, Armor lock is different then locking your armor,

When you lock your armor, your armor locks in place to prevent death apawn falls and things like that.

Armor lock uses a small generator on your back to send all of your energy to your shields. causing you to not move.

EDIT: Oh, beat me to it coma.

[Edited on 04.25.2011 9:44 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 9:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
AA's are canon just not in the ways they are used.

obviously sprint and evade are not AAs, and i don't care what the Manuel says about spartans "hurting themselves why running" that is just mockery.

Camo is probably the only true armor ability in the fact that it is embedded in the armor, this is canon.


Armor lock is canon just not in the form it is used in the game.

Jetpack wouldn't be an Armor ability, but is canon.

hologram i can see being a UNSC reverse engineered prototype of the holodrone and don't see an issue with it being canon.


I'm just going to deal with Armor Lock here.

There is a big difference between a Spartan "locking their armor" and the Armor Ability Armor Lock. The ability Armor Lock essentially overloads the shields and creates an EMP field around the user, the armor locking up is a side affect I'd assume of diverting most of the Mjolner's power to the shields. What Master Chief, and Six and Jorge did is totally different from Armor Lock, while it does lock the armor up, it doesn't produce the EMP field, and it can be triggered in the air, while the AA Armor Lock cannot.


Pretty much this, Locking Armor is pressurizing the suit's Hydrostatic Gel to the point of making it be a stopping force for your limbs, that way, they won't dislocate or flat out break due to the pressure. It pretty much serves as a cushioning device for high-velocity impacts.

  • 04.25.2011 9:50 PM PDT