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Subject: Combat Knifes Piercing Mjolnir, Knives in Halo
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Posted by: switch 104 sv
The way I see it is this; We already know a Spartan has enough strength to pop shields with a melee attack. When using a knife the force is concentrated into a smaller area and when the shields pop the momentum carries the knife onwards and inwards. Basically a knife attack is like a punch with a blade attached.
I agree with this.

I'd say the initial impact of the knife pops the shields, but it still has the pointy end that has not done business.
It's a two-stage melee, and in that microsecond in between the knife hitting the shields and the knife hitting the armour, I'd say the shield simply collapses, allowing the knife to just keep going.

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Well, they never actually hit the armor. They always stab the gaps were only the jumpsuit protects them (with the exception of the Energy Dagger to head assassination)
One of the SvS assassinations is one Spartan stabbing another in the top of the helmet.
Presumably, the blade is super-strong, and obviously the strength of the Spartan is amplified. There's probably tens of thousands of psi in that stabbing motion (random number guess).

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Well, they never actually hit the armor. They always stab the gaps were only the jumpsuit protects them (with the exception of the Energy Dagger to head assassination)
One of the SvS assassinations is one Spartan stabbing another in the top of the helmet.
Presumably, the blade is super-strong, and obviously the strength of the Spartan is amplified. There's probably tens of thousands of psi in that stabbing motion (random number guess).

Yeah, I kind of forgot that one, thanks for reminding me.

And yes, I do believe the sheer force of the impact of the blade due to the Spartan force would be enough to break the shields and drive through the armor like a hot knife through butter.

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  • 03.07.2011 5:42 AM PDT

Can I point out firstly that when the "jumpsuit" is carbon nanotube and kevlar weave/non newtonian liquid, it is absolutely bulletproof without the plates over the top.

They are likely there to give protection against larger weapons.

And knife through shields, I'd say is non-canon.

  • 03.07.2011 6:46 AM PDT

do you have a source for that, because I have been wondering about the strength of the armor for a while

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The armor stregth of Mjonler and covie armor has always been inconsistent.

We have sgt johnson's heavy armor way back during project terbjuct of whatever causing bullets to just ping off of it, yet we see bullets periceing both elite and spartan armor.

In game, it's only worse, for ovibious reasons.

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  • 03.07.2011 3:18 PM PDT

MJB

very simple people,

VERY sharp knife + gameplay compromise + Ninja's on space steroids + basic laws of physics = stab wound death for a spartan


btw, pressure = force over area, lots of power over small surface area = lots of stabbing power

need any more equations??

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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
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When you preform a regular assassination you only need one hit to kill, why can't a knife do the same?


regular assassination is obviously not cannon.
According to that logic an odst can walk up behind a brute and kill it with one chop.


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  • 03.07.2011 5:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: WhiterRain12
Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
Posted by: the n00b pwner
When you preform a regular assassination you only need one hit to kill, why can't a knife do the same?


regular assassination is obviously not cannon.
According to that logic an odst can walk up behind a brute and kill it with one chop.


Buck.


i do believe that an ODST being extremely strong compared to a normal marine is able to take a weapon like an AR or BR and swing it like a baseball bat at a brute or elite and deliver enough force the snap the spine or at the very least knock in unconscious; and if ODST are as strong as canon makes them out to be a single punch should be sufficient to break a grunt or jackels skull especially if their gloves have armored knuckles.

  • 03.07.2011 5:32 PM PDT

My logic:

A melee attack removes shields assuming you hit them. In an assassination you're holding a knife instead of a rifle so you get melee attack(takes off shields) + knife(in unprotected areas) = kill.

  • 03.07.2011 5:41 PM PDT

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Slow moving objects are able to pierce energy shields such as a knife, rock, etc. the brutes punches on the other hand are a fast moving threat to the user which is why they are blocked. same with a spartan. the sheer force of the knife in a spartans hands can pierce a layer of mjolnir armor.

  • 03.07.2011 5:46 PM PDT

I always imagined shields in halo to apply a near equal amount of energy to negate the incoming force of a projectile. Up to a point and then the shields fail, to slow and they don't do more than air.

Also, the helmets are the weakest point of the armor. They're just a titanium alloy, not the reactive alloy used on the main body of the mjolnir suit. That alloy, I imagine to be too heavy for a helmet.

  • 03.07.2011 6:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Colichemarde
I always imagined shields in halo to apply a near equal amount of energy to negate the incoming force of a projectile. Up to a point and then the shields fail, to slow and they don't do more than air.

Also, the helmets are the weakest point of the armor. They're just a titanium alloy, not the reactive alloy used on the main body of the mjolnir suit. That alloy, I imagine to be too heavy for a helmet.

thats actually a really good point your making

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You should re read what I wrote. It is completely impossible for the shield to always be active. There HAS to be a minimum amount of force required for the shields to activate, otherwise everything from a fly to someone putting a hand on their shoulder, to bumping into a wall would cause them to flare up.

Think about for 2 seconds please.
Read the Fall of Reach. Spartan shields are always up but they can be lowered/deactivated over certain body parts when necessary.


You cant really expect Nylund thought of every single little physics problem represented by such a thing when it happened can you?
I like to think shield flair depends on damage being absorbed by the shield. Fly landing on shield = no noticeable damage = no noticeable shield flair.

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Because there are certain tiny slots on the MJOLNIR and Elite armour for knifes to slide right in.

It's a safety precaution. Shields also detect knifes as being friendlies, and as we all know, friendlies are allowed to hold hands, or pat eachother on the back.

[Edited on 03.08.2011 12:05 AM PST]

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You could make melee like CoD and kill in one hit to represent reality ,or you could say the knife is armor piercing.

  • 03.08.2011 3:37 AM PDT

MJB

or we could not make melees like CoD cause knifers are bull-blam!- in CoD

  • 03.08.2011 10:01 PM PDT

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You should see that they only stab in the unprotected areas. But then again, the Spartan can punch more than 2,000 lbs. Not surprised.

  • 03.08.2011 10:02 PM PDT

To everyone who is inventing reasons why the Shields won't recognize things at certain velocities:

You're wrong. The end.

Spartan shields are always on, all the time. They can lower them if they choose to, but in combat they are covered everywhere continuously.

The reasona knife pierces the shielding and armor is due to brute force and strike placement, same way a bullet pierces it due to velocity.

Gameplay mechanics =/= canon. They state this. It's why you can rip off turrets in ODST and assasinate Brutes. They state ODST can't do these things, but they didn't want to change the gameplay formula.

  • 03.09.2011 1:22 AM PDT

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