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Subject: Spartans vs Jedi who wins the match?

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Posted by: mojeda101
It would make more sense if it was between an Elite and Jedi.

Elites would most likely come close but end up winning.
The Force is something that the Jedi has but it wouldn't do much good. Jedi masters can barely lift an X-wing that is around a ton. An Elite is hardly any different.

Lets look at characteristics.

Elites
Height: 8'6
Strength: Kill in one simple punch or kick
Weight: 800 Pounds
Weaponry: Energy Sword and Energy Dagger

Jedi
Height: 6'0
Strength: Weak
Weight: 140 Pounds
Weaponry: Lightsaber

Lets say he gets the Elite and pulls him to him to be cut with the Lightsaber, Elites are much smarter than that and would take down the Jedi with him pulling out his dagger and stabbing him as he is getting stabbed.

Although this is very debatable. A Sword would come in contact with a Lightsaber and react just like another lightsaber. Another the Elite can extend much farther.

I'm putting my money on the Elites, just by sheer statistics.




Im sorry but that is just wrong wrong wrong.
*cracks knuckles* right
1) The force wouldnt be good? are you effin serious? Ye obviously the force cant manipulate the strength speed and agility of a jedi, nor can it control minds and create lightning from your fingertips either.

2) You obviously have not got a bloody clue about star wars canon. Luke wasnt even a padawan he was an initiate. Also he didnt lift the X-Wing it was yoda and hes like 900 years old.

3) Youre saying an Elite weighs as much as an X-wing? What kind of freaking Elite are you thinking of? You know what? I dont want to know.

Also your characteristics are way off. The jedi consist of many different species. And i can assure you, not all of them are 140 pounds.

Right your second post:
I never said 800IB was a ton. Where did I say that? You think a Jedi can lift massive weights with the force? Force Unleashed is not canon. A Master can barely lift a stack that was about to crush Anakin and Obi Wan. Its obvious a knight or Padawan is MUCH weaker.
AHAHAHAHAHA... *cough* ahem. There are records of padawans stopping battle cruisers form crashing onto a planet for christ sake. Honestly what master are you talking about here? Some lard bucket Twil'ek or something?

Seriously you must have been watching and reading completely different star wars canon that the rest of the world has been for the past 30 years.

THANK GOD SOMEONE KNOWS STAR WARS!

  • 03.13.2011 11:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: The great guy
hahahahaha, spartans would dominate the jedi. a lightsaber would never be able to cut through mjolnir armor with shields. spartans reacts in nano seconds and can run over 60km/h. a jedi could never deflect a bullet moving at 3000+ fps. not to mention spartans are super intelligent and have trained to kill since they were six years old. they would even kill the jedi without weapons, jedi are pathetic.

Jedi train as young children, even babies. They are intellgient, use logic, and they would rip the guns out of the spartans hands before they could fire. Jedi will win.

  • 03.13.2011 11:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: The great guy
hahahahaha, spartans would dominate the jedi. a lightsaber would never be able to cut through mjolnir armor with shields. spartans reacts in nano seconds and can run over 60km/h. a jedi could never deflect a bullet moving at 3000+ fps. not to mention spartans are super intelligent and have trained to kill since they were six years old. they would even kill the jedi without weapons, jedi are pathetic.

Jedi train as young children, even babies. They are intellgient, use logic, and they would rip the guns out of the spartans hands before they could fire. Jedi will win.


Jedi have the force, something which can be used in many ways.

Oh, and I highly doubt MJOLNIR armor is made out of the few materials which can resist a lightsaber blade.

  • 03.13.2011 11:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: The great guy
hahahahaha, spartans would dominate the jedi. a lightsaber would never be able to cut through mjolnir armor with shields. spartans reacts in nano seconds and can run over 60km/h. a jedi could never deflect a bullet moving at 3000+ fps. not to mention spartans are super intelligent and have trained to kill since they were six years old. they would even kill the jedi without weapons, jedi are pathetic.

Jedi train as young children, even babies. They are intellgient, use logic, and they would rip the guns out of the spartans hands before they could fire. Jedi will win.


Jedi have the force, something which can be used in many ways.

Oh, and I highly doubt MJOLNIR armor is made out of the few materials which can resist a lightsaber blade.

Exactly, energy blades of lightsabers can cut through metal harder than steel (Known as Durasteel in their universe) in a matter of seconds. A lightsaber would cut through MJLONIR armour like a hot knife in butter

  • 03.13.2011 11:18 PM PDT

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5 SPartans vs 2 Jedi= Jedi.

Reasons:
1. The force would be a high advantage, taking their guns, cover, revealing their location ect.
2. Jedi can Force jump, which basically means jump at the speed of light to the opponent from a distance of a little over 1km
3. The lightsaber would make quick work of any projectile, the Spartan Laser beam would be absorbed by the lightsaber (As they share the same energy readings) and would effectivly cut through anything that stopped them.
4. They can freeze people by tigeting the muscles and such, the force power is called statis and can be induced to a field to freeze multiple people
5. They can equipp energy shields, the Star Wars universe features energy shields that go on the arm that absorb most damage for a certain time.
6. The spartans would not react quickly enough, a Jedi could use Force Speed and be behind a spartan in a matter of seconds
7. If they used dark force powers they coul cripple the life out of the spartans.
8.The Jedi can blend intot he background, or make you see them but not take notice. Example: Kreai uses it on the crew of the Ebon Hawk in KOTOR 2.
9. They can turn invisble, but they need a speacial belt called a stealth field generator.
10. People say while the Jedi drag them to the Jedi, they could stab them, the Force stops ANY use of limbs, including arms.
11. Jedi have been known to create hyperspace travel using the force (Google Rakata) and have been known to super nova suns to stop battles.

OUTCOME: Jedi will win.

  • 03.13.2011 11:26 PM PDT

The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural.

I don't think that pitting Spartans against Jedi is a fair fight. Only because Spartans have trained since they were five or six years old for combat. Jedi have also trained for combat, but their combat training is almost purely self defense. Jedi are peacekeepers not soldiers.

Now Spartans vs. Sith would be a great fight. If they were two fully trained Sith Masters like Darth Bane and Darth Reven then there would be no contest. Sith would undoubtedly crush the Spartans.

  • 03.13.2011 11:30 PM PDT

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  • 03.13.2011 11:45 PM PDT

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I Vote neither, Spartans would just get sliced like they do with an energy sword, so all in all the Sangheili would win in a sword fight and a gun fight too, Plasma repeater beats any starwars plasma based weapon that's a close range type weapon, and the Beam rifle/ Focus rifle beat any of their sniper .... things.
as for Vehicles their drop-ships TRUMP any covenant ones aside from the spirit, Interceptor banshee however beats their light space craft and the Shielded Seraph Beats their heavy space craft

and the Space ships just WASTE all.

Death star wouldn't stand a chance against the Truth and conciliation or the Shadow of Intent

Or the High charity, wither that is armed or not, MARTYRDOM FTW

  • 03.14.2011 12:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
I've heard sw fans claim that blocking a bullet makes the bullet vaporize instantly.

Actually, in the official Star Wars pen and paper RPG, bullets are not actually deflected by a saber. They travel so quickly through the plasma of the sword they merely come out the other end as a molten piece of slag.

So trying to block it would actually make the bullet a far more interesting experience for the Jedi.

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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
I've heard sw fans claim that blocking a bullet makes the bullet vaporize instantly.

Actually, in the official Star Wars pen and paper RPG, bullets are not actually deflected by a saber. They travel so quickly through the plasma of the sword they merely come out the other end as a molten piece of slag.

So trying to block it would actually make the bullet a far more interesting experience for the Jedi.

Your forgetting one thing. LIGHTSABERS ARENT MADE OF PLASMA. THEY'RE MADE OF ENERGY

  • 03.14.2011 2:55 AM PDT

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THREAD CLOSED. JEDI WIN. Thank you very much :)

  • 03.26.2011 1:03 AM PDT

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Really?
Jedi are trained to block single shot weapons that fire highly visible beams.

NOT 30 shots per second, and also invisible to the Jedi eye.

[Edited on 03.26.2011 6:39 AM PDT]

  • 03.26.2011 6:37 AM PDT


Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
I've heard sw fans claim that blocking a bullet makes the bullet vaporize instantly.

Actually, in the official Star Wars pen and paper RPG, bullets are not actually deflected by a saber. They travel so quickly through the plasma of the sword they merely come out the other end as a molten piece of slag.

So trying to block it would actually make the bullet a far more interesting experience for the Jedi.

Your forgetting one thing. LIGHTSABERS ARENT MADE OF PLASMA. THEY'RE MADE OF ENERGY


All the scientific evidence for lighstabers state quite plainly they are made of plasma. Anything else is physically impossible.

Anyway, I have a question. If Jedi Aprentices can stop falling ships, why can't Luke Skywalker lift the X-Wing? He's a (future) Grand Master for God's sakes, but he couldn't do the X-Wing.

I've never seen any Jedi ever toss a ship like a rag doll in the movies. As far as the movies are concerned, Jedi cannot do so.

  • 03.26.2011 7:41 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
I've heard sw fans claim that blocking a bullet makes the bullet vaporize instantly.

Actually, in the official Star Wars pen and paper RPG, bullets are not actually deflected by a saber. They travel so quickly through the plasma of the sword they merely come out the other end as a molten piece of slag.

So trying to block it would actually make the bullet a far more interesting experience for the Jedi.

Your forgetting one thing. LIGHTSABERS ARENT MADE OF PLASMA. THEY'RE MADE OF ENERGY


All the scientific evidence for lighstabers state quite plainly they are made of plasma. Anything else is physically impossible.

Anyway, I have a question. If Jedi Aprentices can stop falling ships, why can't Luke Skywalker lift the X-Wing? He's a (future) Grand Master for God's sakes, but he couldn't do the X-Wing.

I've never seen any Jedi ever toss a ship like a rag doll in the movies. As far as the movies are concerned, Jedi cannot do so.


Luke wasn't trained in the force at that time. If we go by 'hard canon' then plasma swords can't slice somebody in half as well <_<.

As for tossing a ship like a rag doll? Yeah that bit sounds overdone. The most is the secret apprentice 'guiding' ships away, or the one mention I heard about. Basically a jedi focused the force abilities of an entire temple to do a force push which smacked a fleet out of the system.

  • 03.26.2011 8:25 AM PDT
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Really?
Jedi are trained to block single shot weapons that fire highly visible beams.

NOT 30 shots per second, and also invisible to the Jedi eye.

Jedi don't use sight to block/deflect bolts. They're precognitive which is how they block the bolts. The force tells them where the bolt is going to be and at what time and they react to that knowledge quickly and effectively. They don't use sight.

Also where does it say that the beams go slower than bullets? I know they're slow in the movies, games, and TV shows but that can be just so the audience can actually see them. Is it actually stated how fast they go anywhere?

  • 03.26.2011 8:40 AM PDT


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Really?
Jedi are trained to block single shot weapons that fire highly visible beams.

NOT 30 shots per second, and also invisible to the Jedi eye.

Jedi don't use sight to block/deflect bolts. They're precognitive which is how they block the bolts. The force tells them where the bolt is going to be and at what time and they react to that knowledge quickly and effectively. They don't use sight.

Also where does it say that the beams go slower than bullets? I know they're slow in the movies, games, and TV shows but that can be just so the audience can actually see them. Is it actually stated how fast they go anywhere?


However fast they move in the movies is there ultimate canon speed.

But I actually think they're pretty fast tbh. Its just that its harder to see bullets because they're not plasma bolts.

And about the Jedi thing: they're precognitive to an extent, but a lot of it DOES have to do with sight and reflexes. The Force is just an augment, gives a slight edge for combatants, but isn't a be all end all WMD.

  • 03.26.2011 8:56 AM PDT


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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
I've heard sw fans claim that blocking a bullet makes the bullet vaporize instantly.

Actually, in the official Star Wars pen and paper RPG, bullets are not actually deflected by a saber. They travel so quickly through the plasma of the sword they merely come out the other end as a molten piece of slag.

So trying to block it would actually make the bullet a far more interesting experience for the Jedi.

Your forgetting one thing. LIGHTSABERS ARENT MADE OF PLASMA. THEY'RE MADE OF ENERGY


All the scientific evidence for lighstabers state quite plainly they are made of plasma. Anything else is physically impossible.

Anyway, I have a question. If Jedi Aprentices can stop falling ships, why can't Luke Skywalker lift the X-Wing? He's a (future) Grand Master for God's sakes, but he couldn't do the X-Wing.

I've never seen any Jedi ever toss a ship like a rag doll in the movies. As far as the movies are concerned, Jedi cannot do so.


Luke wasn't trained in the force at that time. If we go by 'hard canon' then plasma swords can't slice somebody in half as well <_<.

As for tossing a ship like a rag doll? Yeah that bit sounds overdone. The most is the secret apprentice 'guiding' ships away, or the one mention I heard about. Basically a jedi focused the force abilities of an entire temple to do a force push which smacked a fleet out of the system.


Thought so. It makes it more understandable when you got hundreds of Jedi in the Temple all focusing their power on one object, but only two? Vs 5 super-soldiers with weapons that their lighstaber can't block without severe consequences?

I don't think so.

  • 03.26.2011 8:58 AM PDT

This wouldn't even be a fight. John, Fred, Kelly and Thel would just act as a distraction. Even if on the very unlikely case that none of them were able to inflict damage on the jedis, Linda would effortlessly snipe them from a distance.

  • 03.26.2011 9:10 AM PDT

The problem. Both jedi are allowed full force use. Meaning they can use speed+jump to get in close, slice and dice the weapons or force pull them away. Use push to keep the Spartan's on their asses.

Edit: Linda sniping, that would work if not for precognition. They would sense the shot and dodge it...

[Edited on 03.26.2011 9:49 AM PDT]

  • 03.26.2011 9:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: The great guy
hahahahaha, spartans would dominate the jedi. a lightsaber would never be able to cut through mjolnir armor with shields. spartans reacts in nano seconds and can run over 60km/h. a jedi could never deflect a bullet moving at 3000+ fps. not to mention spartans are super intelligent and have trained to kill since they were six years old. they would even kill the jedi without weapons, jedi are pathetic.
How old are Padawans? Btw, using grammar is not a war crime.

  • 03.26.2011 9:56 AM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The problem. Both jedi are allowed full force use. Meaning they can use speed+jump to get in close, slice and dice the weapons or force pull them away. Use push to keep the Spartan's on their asses.

Edit: Linda sniping, that would work if not for precognition. They would sense the shot and dodge it...


Which makes this a difficult fight, but John's M99 Stanchion rifle would without a doubt obliterate at least one before he could react. Jedi are not perfect remember, they can still get shot to death.

A Jedi using Force Speed/jump effectively ammounts to a Spartan running and jumping. The main advantege the Jedi have is the Force, which between only two is very limited compared to what some people think a standard Jedi can pull.

The Spartan's advantege is having the ranged weapons, what amounts to unblockable bullets and team cohersion. In CQC it could either way really. Spartan's have the speed to match a Jedi and the strength superior to a (human) Jedi. Put Thel in there though and we have a sword fight for the agees.

The only hope a Jedi ould have is to be stealthy and sneak up on them. But with the MJOLNIR's integrated RADAR systems, its nearly impossible to stealth a Spartan.

I can't see the Jedi winning this one.

  • 03.26.2011 10:11 AM PDT


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Posted by: The great guy
hahahahaha, spartans would dominate the jedi. a lightsaber would never be able to cut through mjolnir armor with shields. spartans reacts in nano seconds and can run over 60km/h. a jedi could never deflect a bullet moving at 3000+ fps. not to mention spartans are super intelligent and have trained to kill since they were six years old. they would even kill the jedi without weapons, jedi are pathetic.
How old are Padawans? Btw, using grammar is not a war crime.


Quite a range. They start training at like two. You can only legally be a Padawan until the age of 13, though, at which point--if you haven't been chosen by a Master--you get kicked out.

But simply by reading the Jedi Aprentice books I can garuntee they could not pull a cruiser out of the sky.

But by no means are Jedi pathetic.

  • 03.26.2011 10:14 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

The Jedi have the force, and the weight of a Spartans armor is nothing to the force.

  • 03.26.2011 12:26 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The problem. Both jedi are allowed full force use. Meaning they can use speed+jump to get in close, slice and dice the weapons or force pull them away. Use push to keep the Spartan's on their asses.

Edit: Linda sniping, that would work if not for precognition. They would sense the shot and dodge it...


Which makes this a difficult fight, but John's M99 Stanchion rifle would without a doubt obliterate at least one before he could react. Jedi are not perfect remember, they can still get shot to death.

A Jedi using Force Speed/jump effectively ammounts to a Spartan running and jumping. The main advantege the Jedi have is the Force, which between only two is very limited compared to what some people think a standard Jedi can pull.

The Spartan's advantege is having the ranged weapons, what amounts to unblockable bullets and team cohersion. In CQC it could either way really. Spartan's have the speed to match a Jedi and the strength superior to a (human) Jedi. Put Thel in there though and we have a sword fight for the agees.

The only hope a Jedi ould have is to be stealthy and sneak up on them. But with the MJOLNIR's integrated RADAR systems, its nearly impossible to stealth a Spartan.

I can't see the Jedi winning this one.


Jedi using speed and jump can go faster then Spartans, and probably jump far higher.

Mind trick much? Jedi see nothing to shoot at. And based on lightsaber duel speeds we've seen... (Ep3 final duel between anakin and obi-wan) I doubt the Spartans could deal with that fast striking. They don't have the precognition that the force gives.

Even at range, how good is that assault rifle when force pull yanks it, or the Spartan through the air? Or a saber throw slices it in half?

I mean, jedi with full force allowed have massive advantages in this case.

Edit: And why the heck does John have that rifle? It's basically a gauss sniper... He isn't a sniper. Why would the team leader have a far more powerful sniper rifle then the sniper of the squad?

[Edited on 03.26.2011 1:00 PM PDT]

  • 03.26.2011 12:34 PM PDT

I'd have to say the Spartans. All the Jedi have is lightsabers and the force, and both are somewhat limited from a distance.

  • 03.26.2011 1:39 PM PDT

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