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Subject: Spartans vs Jedi who wins the match?


Posted by: Snowy Zoe
I'd have to say the Spartans. All the Jedi have is lightsabers and the force, and both are somewhat limited from a distance.


Not really. Force speed+jump negates distance. Even then, range can be a moot point concerning certain powers/abilities. Since it's "All force allowed" the jedi side have a massive advantage and lots of options.

  • 03.26.2011 1:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The problem. Both jedi are allowed full force use. Meaning they can use speed+jump to get in close, slice and dice the weapons or force pull them away. Use push to keep the Spartan's on their asses.

Edit: Linda sniping, that would work if not for precognition. They would sense the shot and dodge it...

I'm sorry, but there is just no possible way for ANYBODY to dodge a sniper rifle bullet. A jedi would either take it like a man and realistically probably have half his body torn apart by the round, or try to block it with his lightsaber in which case the bullet would probably still melt through the lightsaber and come out as molten metal.

In addition, the spartans weaponry can still fire accurately from 100+ meters away. Once they've got the jedi surrounded there's no way they'll be dodging and blocking the combined fire.

  • 03.26.2011 2:30 PM PDT

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i dont see how the jedis could compare. they can only deflect lasers not bullets. yes all they got is the force but if someone snipes with a sniper rifle or spartan laser, theyre done for.

and armor lock... nothing beats aL

[Edited on 03.26.2011 2:40 PM PDT]

  • 03.26.2011 2:39 PM PDT


Posted by: A mongooche
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The problem. Both jedi are allowed full force use. Meaning they can use speed+jump to get in close, slice and dice the weapons or force pull them away. Use push to keep the Spartan's on their asses.

Edit: Linda sniping, that would work if not for precognition. They would sense the shot and dodge it...

I'm sorry, but there is just no possible way for ANYBODY to dodge a sniper rifle bullet. A jedi would either take it like a man and realistically probably have half his body torn apart by the round, or try to block it with his lightsaber in which case the bullet would probably still melt through the lightsaber and come out as molten metal.

In addition, the spartans weaponry can still fire accurately from 100+ meters away. Once they've got the jedi surrounded there's no way they'll be dodging and blocking the combined fire.


If the jedi isn't distracted, they could easily sense the sniper about to fire. edit: That is even if the sniper could get a shot lined up on the jedi, because they won't be sitting still.

Um, yeah they could accurately fire, but could they HIT the jedi moving at incredible speeds and agility toward them?

In this situation, the Jedi know their opponents, and what they have. Thus, they can deal with it.

Edit: Jedi aren't gods, but neither are Spartans. However, since Full force is allowed Jedi has massive advantages.

Oh, and about dodging a sniper, I remember with great enough sense+speed, you could do that in one of the jedi games in campaign.

[Edited on 03.26.2011 3:01 PM PDT]

  • 03.26.2011 2:53 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The problem. Both jedi are allowed full force use. Meaning they can use speed+jump to get in close, slice and dice the weapons or force pull them away. Use push to keep the Spartan's on their asses.

Edit: Linda sniping, that would work if not for precognition. They would sense the shot and dodge it...


Which makes this a difficult fight, but John's M99 Stanchion rifle would without a doubt obliterate at least one before he could react. Jedi are not perfect remember, they can still get shot to death.

A Jedi using Force Speed/jump effectively ammounts to a Spartan running and jumping. The main advantege the Jedi have is the Force, which between only two is very limited compared to what some people think a standard Jedi can pull.

The Spartan's advantege is having the ranged weapons, what amounts to unblockable bullets and team cohersion. In CQC it could either way really. Spartan's have the speed to match a Jedi and the strength superior to a (human) Jedi. Put Thel in there though and we have a sword fight for the agees.

The only hope a Jedi ould have is to be stealthy and sneak up on them. But with the MJOLNIR's integrated RADAR systems, its nearly impossible to stealth a Spartan.

I can't see the Jedi winning this one.


Jedi using speed and jump can go faster then Spartans, and probably jump far higher.

Mind trick much? Jedi see nothing to shoot at. And based on lightsaber duel speeds we've seen... (Ep3 final duel between anakin and obi-wan) I doubt the Spartans could deal with that fast striking. They don't have the precognition that the force gives.

Even at range, how good is that assault rifle when force pull yanks it, or the Spartan through the air? Or a saber throw slices it in half?

I mean, jedi with full force allowed have massive advantages in this case.

Edit: And why the heck does John have that rifle? It's basically a gauss sniper... He isn't a sniper. Why would the team leader have a far more powerful sniper rifle then the sniper of the squad?


See this is why vs threads go under all the time. People start pulling whatever they can conveniantly think of that is technicaly a possibility.

Example: A Jedi will not instantly decide to pull an enemy's weapon away from them because they'll be unaware of how -blam!- ing deadly they are with one. It won't be their first thought, and from what I've seen, Jedi almost never think about pulling weapons away unless they're trying to diffuse a situation peacefully.

Anyone can pull something that a character has done and say its a normal thing for them. I look at it statistically.

Jedi can't block bullets, Spartans (in full MJOLNIR armor) are about as fast as them--certaintly stronger--and have superior numbers, combat experiance and team cohersion.

Now theres a few things you need to note. People are under the impression Spartans are 60 kph fast period. This is wrong. They are 60 kph WITHOUT armor. With it, they're more akin to a blur.

There reaction time is not .20 milliseconds. Its .20 milliseconds without armor and under calmed circumstances. In combat with armor, its about 0.02.

Edit: In fact, have you read the books? Linda does NOT miss. The question of her ability to hit a Jedi is no question. If she can shoot the pilot of a moving Banshee, upside down and half-way mortaly wounded through a small hole that we can't even see from a good mile away, I think Linda could shoot a Jedi on The Pit.

[Edited on 03.26.2011 3:09 PM PDT]

  • 03.26.2011 3:03 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The problem. Both jedi are allowed full force use. Meaning they can use speed+jump to get in close, slice and dice the weapons or force pull them away. Use push to keep the Spartan's on their asses.

Edit: Linda sniping, that would work if not for precognition. They would sense the shot and dodge it...


Which makes this a difficult fight, but John's M99 Stanchion rifle would without a doubt obliterate at least one before he could react. Jedi are not perfect remember, they can still get shot to death.

A Jedi using Force Speed/jump effectively ammounts to a Spartan running and jumping. The main advantege the Jedi have is the Force, which between only two is very limited compared to what some people think a standard Jedi can pull.

The Spartan's advantege is having the ranged weapons, what amounts to unblockable bullets and team cohersion. In CQC it could either way really. Spartan's have the speed to match a Jedi and the strength superior to a (human) Jedi. Put Thel in there though and we have a sword fight for the agees.

The only hope a Jedi ould have is to be stealthy and sneak up on them. But with the MJOLNIR's integrated RADAR systems, its nearly impossible to stealth a Spartan.

I can't see the Jedi winning this one.


Jedi using speed and jump can go faster then Spartans, and probably jump far higher.

Mind trick much? Jedi see nothing to shoot at. And based on lightsaber duel speeds we've seen... (Ep3 final duel between anakin and obi-wan) I doubt the Spartans could deal with that fast striking. They don't have the precognition that the force gives.

Even at range, how good is that assault rifle when force pull yanks it, or the Spartan through the air? Or a saber throw slices it in half?

I mean, jedi with full force allowed have massive advantages in this case.

Edit: And why the heck does John have that rifle? It's basically a gauss sniper... He isn't a sniper. Why would the team leader have a far more powerful sniper rifle then the sniper of the squad?


See this is why vs threads go under all the time. People start pulling whatever they can conveniantly think of that is technicaly a possibility.

Example: A Jedi will not instantly decide to pull an enemy's weapon away from them because they'll be unaware of how -blam!- ing deadly they are with one. It won't be their first thought, and from what I've seen, Jedi almost never think about pulling weapons away unless they're trying to diffuse a situation peacefully.

Anyone can pull something that a character has done and say its a normal thing for them. I look at it statistically.

Jedi can't block bullets, Spartans (in full MJOLNIR armor) are about as fast as them--certaintly stronger--and have superior numbers, combat experiance and team cohersion.

Now theres a few things you need to note. People are under the impression Spartans are 60 kph fast period. This is wrong. They are 60 kph WITHOUT armor. With it, they're more akin to a blur.

There reaction time is not .20 milliseconds. Its .20 milliseconds without armor and under calmed circumstances. In combat with armor, its about 0.02.

Edit: In fact, have you read the books? Linda does NOT miss. The question of her ability to hit a Jedi is no question. If she can shoot the pilot of a moving Banshee, upside down and half-way mortaly wounded through a small hole that we can't even see from a good mile away, I think Linda could shoot a Jedi on The Pit.


This is a really good point.

I love both franchises... and its makeing this a hard decision.

and it's true about those common miss-understanding about a spartan without armour.

  • 03.26.2011 3:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: A mongooche
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
The problem. Both jedi are allowed full force use. Meaning they can use speed+jump to get in close, slice and dice the weapons or force pull them away. Use push to keep the Spartan's on their asses.

Edit: Linda sniping, that would work if not for precognition. They would sense the shot and dodge it...

I'm sorry, but there is just no possible way for ANYBODY to dodge a sniper rifle bullet. A jedi would either take it like a man and realistically probably have half his body torn apart by the round, or try to block it with his lightsaber in which case the bullet would probably still melt through the lightsaber and come out as molten metal.

In addition, the spartans weaponry can still fire accurately from 100+ meters away. Once they've got the jedi surrounded there's no way they'll be dodging and blocking the combined fire.


If the jedi isn't distracted, they could easily sense the sniper about to fire. edit: That is even if the sniper could get a shot lined up on the jedi, because they won't be sitting still.

Um, yeah they could accurately fire, but could they HIT the jedi moving at incredible speeds and agility toward them?

In this situation, the Jedi know their opponents, and what they have. Thus, they can deal with it.

Edit: Jedi aren't gods, but neither are Spartans. However, since Full force is allowed Jedi has massive advantages.

Oh, and about dodging a sniper, I remember with great enough sense+speed, you could do that in one of the jedi games in campaign.

Linda hit a sentinel moving hundreds of kilometers per hour at a vertical shot more than 2 kilometers away, emptying the entire magazine without moving an inch. She does not miss her shots. I'm certain a jedi wouldn't be to big a problem.

Also, just because you know what your opponents are capable of and what they have at their disposal doesn't mean you'll win.

[Edited on 03.26.2011 4:24 PM PDT]

  • 03.26.2011 4:20 PM PDT

Thel' Vadam would have a fair sword fight with both of them at the same time.
Remember he beat tartarus' ass who was twice is size, about as fast and had a hammer.

  • 03.26.2011 5:03 PM PDT

The only reason that clones killed the jedi is because they had the elemnt of suprise. The clones turned on them when they least expected it. The Spartans would'nt have that advantage.

Don't forget that the jedi could force away incoming rockets and maybe bullets. But the jedi could'nt defend against the power of the UNSC sniper rifle.

  • 03.26.2011 5:08 PM PDT


Posted by: darkhunter243
The only reason that clones killed the jedi is because they had the elemnt of suprise. The clones turned on them when they least expected it. The Spartans would'nt have that advantage.



They had the element of surprise...for about 5 minutes. The attack on the Temple was quickly fought against by hundeds of Jedi, but they still got easily cut down.

  • 03.26.2011 5:19 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

Jedi.

Spartans can't beat supernatural powers. As soon as a Spartan got close enough, they would just get force pushed away.

It pains me to say that.... sniff

  • 03.26.2011 5:43 PM PDT


Posted by: cameo_cream
Jedi.

Spartans can't beat supernatural powers. As soon as a Spartan got close enough, they would just get force pushed away.

It pains me to say that.... sniff


The fact the battle is on the pit gives the Jedi another edge. Linda might be a WTF awesome sniper, but hitting somebody moving fast and using all their agility in the close quarters which is the pit? Unlikely. Range isn't an advantage as the distance would be easily closed.

  • 03.26.2011 6:00 PM PDT

Spartons will way win because they have the brains Jedi dont realy and plus its herecy if you say jedi

  • 03.27.2011 1:33 AM PDT

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I am sick of these trolls... Jedi will win. They can freeze, stun, electrocute, choke, drain life, push multiple enemies back, create an invisible shield that makes them unnoticed even if standing in front of the enemy, run faster and trick their enemies to fight with them (as seen in kotor 2).

The force has unlimited range, it is the life energy of the universe. Now take a look at my previous reasons why Jedi win. Thank you very much.

  • 03.27.2011 5:02 AM PDT

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Even the best of fighters can't win against overwhelming numbers. Thousands of clones vs about 30-40 fully trained Jedi and lots of young children and padawans. The clines win by the numbers.
Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: darkhunter243
The only reason that clones killed the jedi is because they had the elemnt of suprise. The clones turned on them when they least expected it. The Spartans would'nt have that advantage.



They had the element of surprise...for about 5 minutes. The attack on the Temple was quickly fought against by hundeds of Jedi, but they still got easily cut down.

  • 03.27.2011 5:05 AM PDT

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Also, most of you haunt read the books, played the games ect. It clearly says multiple times that a lightsabers blade is made of pure energy, the crystals enhancing the power and collie. Face the facts, Jedi win. I'm sorry, but Spartans have no chance.

  • 03.27.2011 5:08 AM PDT

we have seen alot of ideas on elites vs jedi and spartans vs jedi
i wonder who would win out of these
brutes vs jedi
suicide grunts vs jedi lol
grunts vs jedi
marines vs jedi
scorpion tank vs jedi
etc
any ideas

[Edited on 03.27.2011 5:15 AM PDT]

  • 03.27.2011 5:15 AM PDT


Posted by: Multijirachi
I am sick of these trolls... Jedi will win. They can freeze, stun, electrocute, choke, drain life, push multiple enemies back, create an invisible shield that makes them unnoticed even if standing in front of the enemy, run faster and trick their enemies to fight with them (as seen in kotor 2).

The force has unlimited range, it is the life energy of the universe. Now take a look at my previous reasons why Jedi win. Thank you very much.


Drop the fanboyism and think about it for a second.

First off, on the lightsaber: "The weapon consisted of a blade of pure plasma energy emitted from the hilt and suspended in a force containment field. The field contained the immense heat of the plasma, protecting the wielder, and allowed the blade to keep its shape." From Wookieepedia, second paragrapph.

The fight is Obi-Wan and Anakin vs Blue Team.

Now looking at the movies--which supercede all other canon forms in every possible way from depictions to story elements thanks to G[eorge Lucas]-canon--have you ever seen either of these two throw the same kind of power that you say they can?

If they could, Grevious would've been vaporized in like two seconds.

A Spartan is as fast and accurate as a run of the mill Jedi, and stronger. Then consider the MJOLNIR's technology, home-field advantage, superior weapons, superior team cohersion, superior combat experience in situation like this.

Then the weapons. Jedi can't block bullets. And a Splaser blast will rip right through them, as would a supersonic tungsten round fire from a Stanchion.

Now about Linda's hinderance in The Pit's small area. Do you really think it matters? Trying to get around her would by like trying to full frontal a Jackal sniper on Halo 2 Legendary. No matter the distance, she'll kill you in a matter of nanoseconds

See you all say "the Force!1!11" and say its done but you fail to realize a key aspect about it. Two actually.

1) That the Force is not as powerful in Kenobi and Skywalker as you seem to think

2) And that where the Jedi have the Force, Spartans have the MJOLNIR suit and weapons.

What's Force Speed? A Spartan running at full sprint. What's Force Lightning? A flame thrower. What's Force Sight (precognition)? Integrated RADAR, STARS satellite overwatch, and hyper-charged reaction time. Force Choke? A sticky grenade, without the area of effect. Force push? Concussion rifle, without the extreme damage. Lightsaber? Energy Sword. Force Heal? Drop-shield.

Jedi are basically well armed Elites that aren't as strong, have inferior protection, and are smaller then their Halo counter-parts. SPARTAN Team Blue takes Elites on by the hundreds. From my understanding both sides now get get good information regarding the other side, right? Blue team'll have no problem with two human sized Elites.

[Edited on 03.27.2011 6:16 AM PDT]

  • 03.27.2011 6:12 AM PDT

A: I've never heard of this "Lightsabers cannot block bullets." crap. If the blade can slice a piece of metal in half, with the only 'molten' pieces being if the jedi stabbed the blade in and let it sit there, then how would a tiny bullet survive?

B: If we go by 'hard canon' Then you have Master Chief and Thel. Energy sword doesn't slice people in half and the Stanchion? Doesn't exist. Oh, you wanna bring in expanded universe now?

C: Why the Hell does John, the team leader, have the Stanchion? Please explain by the team leader would be lugging around a HEAVY SNIPER RIFLE. One more powerful then the TEAM SNIPER is carrying.

D: Force speed? Spartan running at full sprint but without the harmful effects (Spartans going full speed does mess them up if they maintain it from what I remember.) Force Lightning? Extremely harmful, and can completely disable somebody. Force sight/precognition? The abilities to literally know where your enemy is, and where they are about to strike. No spartan can do that. Force choke? Give you that one, though if we toss in grip? I'd say the Spartan is -blam!- if he gets slammed into a wall, or thrown across the room. Force Push? area of effect, stumbles them, and can cause heavy damage depending on what they hit. (Let's glance at the Hope trailer for old republic much?) Force pull, disables Spartan's ranged capabilities due to the fact their weapon is no longer in their hands.(Oh, and Jedi do use force pull if they want to resolve something peacefully/disable a ranged opponent. If we wanna go into details, the Jedi wouldn't agree to this anyway.) Lightsaber? Energy sword with more versatility and a wider range of how to attack.



Oh, and concerning Linda. She's an epic sniper yes, but the Pit has two long range lines of sight. She cannot watch both at the same time, especially if the jedi do a mind-trick to make her think they are coming from another direction. The way the pit is set up she cannot shut down the other base.

Edit: Of fun thing, A jedi using force speed keeps all his agility. They can use it and do flips, jumps, dodges, and sudden stops/directional turns. A Spartan sprinting full speed can't suddenly stop or do majorly directional changes.

Edit2: Another fun fact, Spartan reflexes/reaction times are great yes. But Anakin is the ONLY human in the SW galaxy that can podrace. That's because even as a young kid, his reflexes, reaction time, and precognition was great enough to allow him to successfully pilot the incredibly fast podracer though the extremely dangerous courses.

[Edited on 03.27.2011 9:54 AM PDT]

  • 03.27.2011 8:49 AM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.


Posted by: A mongooche
I'm sorry, but there is just no possible way for ANYBODY to dodge a sniper rifle bullet.


Jedi dodge and deflect lasers. Which move at the speed of light. Sniper rounds would be child's play.

  • 03.27.2011 8:59 AM PDT

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First off, I don't give a -blam!- about lemony or skywalker. They are weak. The Jedi I am looking at are revan and malak. Go google 'em. Second, star wars episode 1 near the beginning, those duros put multiple blast doors that are extremely strong, and qui gon tears them to shreds. The lightsaber would go straight through the Spartans shields and cut through the Spartan armor with ease.
Also you dont think it through, the Jedi may not have ripped the weapons out of their hands (but it's highly likely they did take the Spartans weapons) any cover would be destroyed. Furthermore, Jedi can create that shield I've mentioned before (Kreai uses it). And they can trick the Spartans, making them fight for the Jedi. Look at ALL the facts. Sure, as soon as match begins chief would just fire at sight, but force speed and force jump quickly stop any chance if a bullets contact, and stops Spartans from running.

Also, abullet would NOT go through a lightsaber, it would be vaporized like so many other things. The speed has nothing to do with.

  • 03.27.2011 2:18 PM PDT

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Halo 3 is the best Halo ever
Maps I like: Turf, Avalanche, Pylon, Sandbox, Breakpoint and many more.

Wookiepedia is a site that can be edited by anyone. You probaly changed it to that. Now, if the movies are ultimate cannon, star wars episode IV: obi wan says to Luke that the lightsaber is pure energy.

  • 03.27.2011 10:34 PM PDT

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