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Subject: ODST vs. 501st Legion Clone Trooper

Posted by: MAXPWN197

Posted by: mojeda101

yes it can in the torso area, but ODST armor, canonically is able to absorb at least one or two plasma bolts, (which are almost completely analogous to laser weapons in star wars)[/quote]The clone troopers weapons at the time technicly were plasma.[/quote]

False, Plasma and Laser are two completely different things.


i realize that lasers and plasma fire are two different things, but the way they behave in their respective universe's is very similar.


True. But Laser pretty much goes through ANYTHING. Plasma doesn't. ODST Armor can take 3 shots, but not 1 Laser shot.

  • 03.06.2011 8:08 PM PDT

MJB

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  • 03.06.2011 8:24 PM PDT
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ODSTs can actually move around whil wearing their armour.

[Edited on 03.06.2011 11:18 PM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 11:18 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC
ODSTs can actually move around whil wearing their armour.


So can the clones, There's an instance in the Utapau battle were a clone trooper sprints at a Spider Droid, jumps on it and shoots on it's "head" before shooting other droid behind him.

Ahhh, here it is. Sorry for the bad quality, and yes I do realize that two clones got killed, but the epicness of that kill makes up for it.

[Edited on 03.06.2011 11:27 PM PST]

  • 03.06.2011 11:27 PM PDT

Aim high

Actually if you do some research the Clone troopers weaponry is INSANELY powerful. One of those little lasers has more energy behind it than a spartan laser, and they are fully automatic.

ODSTs are screwed, even a spartan would be in serious trouble.

  • 03.07.2011 1:43 AM PDT

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Rayzor1995

Posted by: MAXPWN197

Posted by: mojeda101
Clone troopers, their armor would deflect projectile rounds such as bullets.


yes it can in the torso area, but ODST armor, canonically is able to absorb at least one or two plasma bolts, (which are almost completely analogous to laser weapons in star wars)
The clone troopers weapons at the time technicly were plasma.


False, Plasma and Laser are two completely different things.


They may be different, but star wars blasters were plasma weapons, not lasers.

  • 03.07.2011 5:26 AM PDT

ODST don't have plastic armor. I think you know where this argument is goin'

[Edited on 03.07.2011 5:33 AM PST]

  • 03.07.2011 5:32 AM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Rayzor1995

Posted by: MAXPWN197

Posted by: mojeda101
Clone troopers, their armor would deflect projectile rounds such as bullets.


yes it can in the torso area, but ODST armor, canonically is able to absorb at least one or two plasma bolts, (which are almost completely analogous to laser weapons in star wars)
The clone troopers weapons at the time technicly were plasma.


False, Plasma and Laser are two completely different things.


"Eat plasma you stupid droid! Yeah, have some o' that!"

--Scorch

Your argument is invalid. it is physically impossible for the weapons in Star Wars to be "lasers." It would not be a bolt, it'd be a beam.

OT: ODST have the smarts, Clones have the weapons. If you read the Helljumper comic, ODST are expert stealth killers.

Can't really decide and I'm low on time.

  • 03.07.2011 5:32 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

this vs this
the best of the best that kick ass vs the best of the best that get their asses kicked

  • 03.07.2011 7:34 AM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.


Posted by: Rayzor1995

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Vader's fist shall reign triumphant over the ODST threat!


Bull-blam!-! 501st can't shoot worth -blam!-, they took several shots to take down a 3-year old! ODST's ftw!
Most of those clones were downgraded second generation clones-of-clones that were grown and trained in under a year, in other words they sucked.

Clone Commandos or ARC troppers however would kick the ODST's asses back to Earth


I know that. In fact, I even posted that already to support my side of the debate (I'm talking about the clone generation thing), but ODSTs are really smart and can attack from areas a clone wouldn't think about.

[Edited on 03.07.2011 8:02 AM PST]

  • 03.07.2011 7:58 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: Sigma617
I refuse to believe that Clone Troopers are as overpowered as everyone says they are.

The same "Almighty fist of Vader" were killed by bows and arrows and rocks on Endor. You are kidding yourself if you don't think high grade ballistics wouldn't have any effect on them. Also, if blaster bolts are as strong as a spartan laser why don't people fly to pieces when struck by one?
it's because they aren't.


I could ask the same for the Spartan Laser. How come it doesn't disintegrate the target on hit? I mean, if a Hunter Fuel Rod can do it, so could a Spartan Laser.

Besides, everybody knows Stormtroopers are stupid because A-People would rage if they were as efficient as they were meant to be and B- Because the ones on A New Hope through Return of the Jedi are not Jango Fett clones, but normal people.

This was all covered up in Star Wars Battlefront 2, since, it's pretty much the history of the 501st.

  • 03.07.2011 9:27 AM PDT

blasters aren't stronger than spartan lasers.

For one thing, spartans lasers fire hundreds of laser shots in a charge, incase you didn't know how it worked.

Second the splaser is capable of wrecking the armor on a Forerunner AI, which I doubt a blaster could do.

  • 03.07.2011 9:54 AM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.


Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
blasters aren't stronger than spartan lasers.

For one thing, spartans lasers fire hundreds of laser shots in a charge, incase you didn't know how it worked.

Second the splaser is capable of wrecking the armor on a Forerunner AI, which I doubt a blaster could do.


It would probably take a Death Star to do that.

  • 03.07.2011 11:29 AM PDT


Posted by: Sigma617
I refuse to believe that Clone Troopers are as overpowered as everyone says they are.

The same "Almighty fist of Vader" were killed by bows and arrows and rocks on Endor. You are kidding yourself if you don't think high grade ballistics wouldn't have any effect on them. Also, if blaster bolts are as strong as a spartan laser why don't people fly to pieces when struck by one?
it's because they aren't.


It's because they are epic in the books and or animated series. Althought movies overal books and by the movie... clones and stormtroopers suck XD

  • 03.07.2011 12:38 PM PDT

MJB


Posted by: Sigma617
I refuse to believe that Clone Troopers are as overpowered as everyone says they are.

The same "Almighty fist of Vader" were killed by bows and arrows and rocks on Endor. You are kidding yourself if you don't think high grade ballistics wouldn't have any effect on them. Also, if blaster bolts are as strong as a spartan laser why don't people fly to pieces when struck by one?
it's because they aren't.


if you've ever played SW: battlefront 2 you'll know that, the 501st wasn't stationed on endor, they were disbanded after the empire's defeat at endor but they didn't participate in the battle, thats why the stupid rebels won

  • 03.07.2011 3:36 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: MAXPWN197

Posted by: Sigma617
I refuse to believe that Clone Troopers are as overpowered as everyone says they are.

The same "Almighty fist of Vader" were killed by bows and arrows and rocks on Endor. You are kidding yourself if you don't think high grade ballistics wouldn't have any effect on them. Also, if blaster bolts are as strong as a spartan laser why don't people fly to pieces when struck by one?
it's because they aren't.


if you've ever played SW: battlefront 2 you'll know that, the 501st wasn't stationed on endor, they were disbanded after the empire's defeat at endor but they didn't participate in the battle, thats why the stupid rebels won


Besides, by that year almost if not all of the Stormtroopers were recruits or volunteers as opposed to the combat efficient Fett clones.

  • 03.07.2011 3:40 PM PDT

MJB


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: MAXPWN197

Posted by: Sigma617
I refuse to believe that Clone Troopers are as overpowered as everyone says they are.

The same "Almighty fist of Vader" were killed by bows and arrows and rocks on Endor. You are kidding yourself if you don't think high grade ballistics wouldn't have any effect on them. Also, if blaster bolts are as strong as a spartan laser why don't people fly to pieces when struck by one?
it's because they aren't.


if you've ever played SW: battlefront 2 you'll know that, the 501st wasn't stationed on endor, they were disbanded after the empire's defeat at endor but they didn't participate in the battle, thats why the stupid rebels won


Besides, by that year almost if not all of the Stormtroopers were recruits or volunteers as opposed to the combat efficient Fett clones.


not quite true..., the 501st was the only unit in the stormtrooper core that was composed of purely Fett clones

[Edited on 03.07.2011 5:01 PM PST]

  • 03.07.2011 5:00 PM PDT

All throughout history great empires rise and fall. How you ask?
Two reasons:
1. Economic failure because of either inflation or socialistic programs.
2. War. Their armies were spread too thin and too far from home.

The United States has bases all around the world in "hazardous" areas and it's economy collapses it seems every 20 years. Do you really think that history won't change? Do you really think that you can run the world?

OP, you have just split my faith within the video game realm.

Delta Squad would win, hands down.

  • 03.07.2011 6:19 PM PDT

MJB

did i say delta squad was invited to party???????? NO I DIDN'T!!!!!
jk
but seriously stick to the outlined peramiters

[Edited on 03.07.2011 6:43 PM PST]

  • 03.07.2011 6:43 PM PDT

All throughout history great empires rise and fall. How you ask?
Two reasons:
1. Economic failure because of either inflation or socialistic programs.
2. War. Their armies were spread too thin and too far from home.

The United States has bases all around the world in "hazardous" areas and it's economy collapses it seems every 20 years. Do you really think that history won't change? Do you really think that you can run the world?

As much as I respect the 501st Legion...ODSTs.

Because stormtroopers HAVE THE WORST AIM EVER.

  • 03.07.2011 6:46 PM PDT

MJB

again, storm troopers at hoth didn't really have bad aim and they were 501st the ST's that boarder tantive IV in new hope, ripped the rebels in the hallway a new one, on utapau, they destroyed the CIS droids,
i'm by no way saying that i think the clones would win, i'm just defending my opinion that it would be an extremely close fight

  • 03.07.2011 7:06 PM PDT

In Star Wars Episode 5 the stormtroopers went down pretty quickly after a barrage of rocks from Ewoks.

Assuming in the years proceeding Episode 2 that clone trooper armor gets better with technological advancement, it could be argued that since rocks can kill stormtroopers, clone troopers would take even more damage from said rocks, and as such their armor is completely inferior in every way to ODST armor.

My bet would be ODST armor, hands down.

You also got to consider that Clones aren't used to fighting enemies that dodge and take cover. Most experienced clones in the Clone War would be used to facing massive battalions of droids that charge them head on, and not used to an enemy that would take cover, make strategic retreats, and ambush just as well as they do.

And then we have the ODSTs, who are completely outmatched by the Covenant, and are the most badass humans in existence besides Spartans. They've been on the losing side so many times that planets being glassed would probably make them laugh.

So training would also go to the ODSTs.

ODSTs, no contest.

  • 03.07.2011 7:22 PM PDT

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