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Subject: ODST vs. 501st Legion Clone Trooper

MJB


Posted by: Drowsy Demon
In Star Wars Episode 5 the stormtroopers went down pretty quickly after a barrage of rocks from Ewoks.

Assuming in the years proceeding Episode 2 that clone trooper armor gets better with technological advancement, it could be argued that since rocks can kill stormtroopers, clone troopers would take even more damage from said rocks, and as such their armor is completely inferior in every way to ODST armor.

My bet would be ODST armor, hands down.

You also got to consider that Clones aren't used to fighting enemies that dodge and take cover. Most experienced clones in the Clone War would be used to facing massive battalions of droids that charge them head on, and not used to an enemy that would take cover, make strategic retreats, and ambush just as well as they do.

And then we have the ODSTs, who are completely outmatched by the Covenant, and are the most badass humans in existence besides Spartans. They've been on the losing side so many times that planets being glassed would probably make them laugh.

So training would also go to the ODSTs.

ODSTs, no contest.

first off ewoks are in episode 6 not 5
second the stormtroopers in 6 aren't even the same unit that i'm taking about, so stop taking about them,
thirdly, episode 2 takes place before episode 5 and 6 and all the armor is less advanced (their the good guys so their made to look better in episode 2)
fourth, ODST training isn't nessecaraly better, they just have way higher morale than clones

MORALE: ODST
ARMARMENT: ODST
VEHICLES: 501st Clones
ARMOR: TIE
TACTICS: TIE
SUPRISE FACTOR: 501ST Clones
BREAKING DOWN YOU FRONT DOOR FACTOR: ODST
TEAMWORK: 501ST CLONES
SPECIALS TOYS/EXPLOSIVES: ODST

so there's my quick comparison for you,
have a nice day

MJB

  • 03.07.2011 7:45 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Posted by: MAXPWN197

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Posted by: MAXPWN197

Posted by: Sigma617
I refuse to believe that Clone Troopers are as overpowered as everyone says they are.

The same "Almighty fist of Vader" were killed by bows and arrows and rocks on Endor. You are kidding yourself if you don't think high grade ballistics wouldn't have any effect on them. Also, if blaster bolts are as strong as a spartan laser why don't people fly to pieces when struck by one?
it's because they aren't.


if you've ever played SW: battlefront 2 you'll know that, the 501st wasn't stationed on endor, they were disbanded after the empire's defeat at endor but they didn't participate in the battle, thats why the stupid rebels won


Besides, by that year almost if not all of the Stormtroopers were recruits or volunteers as opposed to the combat efficient Fett clones.


not quite true..., the 501st was the only unit in the stormtrooper core that was composed of purely Fett clones


Is that so?

After these incidents, the 501st gained the nickname "Vader's Fist," as they were his personal stormtrooper squadron, and executed many top-priority missions. The unit, also referred to as the Five Hundred and First, would consist solely of Fett clones for a time after the Battle of Kamino, the only Imperial unit to do so, although by 0 BBY non-Fett clones were in the unit.

  • 03.07.2011 7:48 PM PDT

Posted by: MAXPWN197

Posted by: Drowsy Demon
In Star Wars Episode 5 the stormtroopers went down pretty quickly after a barrage of rocks from Ewoks.

Assuming in the years proceeding Episode 2 that clone trooper armor gets better with technological advancement, it could be argued that since rocks can kill stormtroopers, clone troopers would take even more damage from said rocks, and as such their armor is completely inferior in every way to ODST armor.

My bet would be ODST armor, hands down.

You also got to consider that Clones aren't used to fighting enemies that dodge and take cover. Most experienced clones in the Clone War would be used to facing massive battalions of droids that charge them head on, and not used to an enemy that would take cover, make strategic retreats, and ambush just as well as they do.

And then we have the ODSTs, who are completely outmatched by the Covenant, and are the most badass humans in existence besides Spartans. They've been on the losing side so many times that planets being glassed would probably make them laugh.

So training would also go to the ODSTs.

ODSTs, no contest.

first off ewoks are in episode 6 not 5
second the stormtroopers in 6 aren't even the same unit that i'm taking about, so stop taking about them,
thirdly, episode 2 takes place before episode 5 and 6 and all the armor is less advanced (their the good guys so their made to look better in episode 2)
fourth, ODST training isn't nessecaraly better, they just have way higher morale than clones

MORALE: ODST
ARMARMENT: ODST
VEHICLES: 501st Clones
ARMOR: TIE
TACTICS: TIE
SUPRISE FACTOR: 501ST Clones
BREAKING DOWN YOU FRONT DOOR FACTOR: ODST
TEAMWORK: 501ST CLONES
SPECIALS TOYS/EXPLOSIVES: ODST

so there's my quick comparison for you,
have a nice day

MJB


Oh whoops sorry I meant 6.

It's been a while since I watched. Anyways I know we're talking about the 501st legion, I was just pointing to that episode as a reference as to how bad their armor was, geez. Read carefully please. I wouldn't say 501st would have a surprise factor, or tie with tactics. ODST would have the advantage in Tactics and Armor.

Dude, if you seriously looked at how the clones and the 501st legion fought in the movies, you would do a facepalm as to how bad their tactics were. They were MARCHING towards the freaking Temple in Episode 3 in a perfect RECTANGLE. That's like American Independence War tactics, where one side arranges themselves into a rectangle, everyone aims at the same time, and then they all fire to get the proverbial "hail of lead." In this case, it would be "hail of plasma."
That's because that's the only way they were taught to fight in the war against the CIS, which was pretty much "hurr durr throw as many droids as we can at them till they break."

The clones, and the 501st legion do pretty much the same thing to their enemies.

Meanwhile, the ODSTs are used to fighting what I like to term "asymmetrical warfare", since their enemies outclass them technologically by far. They can be guerrilla fighters, and can adapt hostile environments much more quickly since they don't have the mindset of "alright everyone form up in a perfect square, then charge and hope for the best."

I agree that Republic vehicles would outclass UNSC vehicles though.

  • 03.07.2011 8:11 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Well, there's nothing wrong with marching into the temple in a rectangle, they were not going to face resistance from the beginning, I mean, the Jedi didn't knew that they were going to get attacked.

Besides the movies utterly destroy their reputation, the games is were every feat they did is shown.

  • 03.07.2011 8:15 PM PDT

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Well, there's nothing wrong with marching into the temple in a rectangle, they were not going to face resistance from the beginning, I mean, the Jedi didn't knew that they were going to get attacked.

Besides the movies utterly destroy their reputation, the games is were every feat they did is shown.


They could have taken way less casualties.

  • 03.07.2011 8:29 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Well, there's nothing wrong with marching into the temple in a rectangle, they were not going to face resistance from the beginning, I mean, the Jedi didn't knew that they were going to get attacked.

Besides the movies utterly destroy their reputation, the games is were every feat they did is shown.


but in the games i can solo my way throught a droid capital ship... The games kinda only make the 5o1st look good because your playing as them.

One thing that gives the 501st a decent chance is rex... althought one guy doesn't make up for it XD

  • 03.07.2011 11:36 PM PDT

MJB


Posted by: Drowsy Demon
Posted by: MAXPWN197

Posted by: Drowsy Demon
In Star Wars Episode 5 the stormtroopers went down pretty quickly after a barrage of rocks from Ewoks.

Assuming in the years proceeding Episode 2 that clone trooper armor gets better with technological advancement, it could be argued that since rocks can kill stormtroopers, clone troopers would take even more damage from said rocks, and as such their armor is completely inferior in every way to ODST armor.

My bet would be ODST armor, hands down.

You also got to consider that Clones aren't used to fighting enemies that dodge and take cover. Most experienced clones in the Clone War would be used to facing massive battalions of droids that charge them head on, and not used to an enemy that would take cover, make strategic retreats, and ambush just as well as they do.

And then we have the ODSTs, who are completely outmatched by the Covenant, and are the most badass humans in existence besides Spartans. They've been on the losing side so many times that planets being glassed would probably make them laugh.

So training would also go to the ODSTs.

ODSTs, no contest.

first off ewoks are in episode 6 not 5
second the stormtroopers in 6 aren't even the same unit that i'm taking about, so stop taking about them,
thirdly, episode 2 takes place before episode 5 and 6 and all the armor is less advanced (their the good guys so their made to look better in episode 2)
fourth, ODST training isn't nessecaraly better, they just have way higher morale than clones

MORALE: ODST
ARMARMENT: ODST
VEHICLES: 501st Clones
ARMOR: TIE
TACTICS: TIE
SUPRISE FACTOR: 501ST Clones
BREAKING DOWN YOU FRONT DOOR FACTOR: ODST
TEAMWORK: 501ST CLONES
SPECIALS TOYS/EXPLOSIVES: ODST

so there's my quick comparison for you,
have a nice day

MJB


Oh whoops sorry I meant 6.

It's been a while since I watched. Anyways I know we're talking about the 501st legion, I was just pointing to that episode as a reference as to how bad their armor was, geez. Read carefully please. I wouldn't say 501st would have a surprise factor, or tie with tactics. ODST would have the advantage in Tactics and Armor.

Dude, if you seriously looked at how the clones and the 501st legion fought in the movies, you would do a facepalm as to how bad their tactics were. They were MARCHING towards the freaking Temple in Episode 3 in a perfect RECTANGLE. That's like American Independence War tactics, where one side arranges themselves into a rectangle, everyone aims at the same time, and then they all fire to get the proverbial "hail of lead." In this case, it would be "hail of plasma."
That's because that's the only way they were taught to fight in the war against the CIS, which was pretty much "hurr durr throw as many droids as we can at them till they break."

The clones, and the 501st legion do pretty much the same thing to their enemies.

Meanwhile, the ODSTs are used to fighting what I like to term "asymmetrical warfare", since their enemies outclass them technologically by far. They can be guerrilla fighters, and can adapt hostile environments much more quickly since they don't have the mindset of "alright everyone form up in a perfect square, then charge and hope for the best."

I agree that Republic vehicles would outclass UNSC vehicles though.


you disagree that about the 501st having the surprise advantage? well the seperatists had a sorta OMGWTFBBQ moments when all the sudden clone gunships rolled in on the areana and were like, "were here -blam!-es!"

and also, the whole square marching think, well their marching in formation as a show of discipline that might instill abit of fear into the enemey, plus the would break formation at the first sign of trouble and start the fireworks

  • 03.08.2011 10:08 PM PDT

Its not really a valid argument because theirs to many versions or interpretations of stormtroopers where as their really only one kind of odst. In reality the stormtroopers would slaughter ewoks (just saying).

  • 03.08.2011 10:35 PM PDT

3 years and only 1 ban, try harder next time noobs.

Based off the two mediums we have, movies and games, it would be a tie. They both can't shoot for beans. But going into cannon. clones would win, they are clones of Jango Fett after all.

  • 03.08.2011 11:13 PM PDT

Commando's would probably be a better comparison I think.

  • 03.08.2011 11:26 PM PDT

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