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Subject: Is the information in Halo: Cryptum actually canon? Says who?

I think Cryptum is perfectly acceptable as canon. It doesn't step on the feet of any of the Halo stories, therefore, it fits perfectly fine.

  • 03.08.2011 9:08 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: ajw34307
It's a shame to see a small minority of idiots slowly infecting this place...
To be fair, calling them idiots is not going to help resolve the issue. If someone wants to be arrogant and argue their opinion as fact, just don't reply, as they obviously have no desire to carry on an actual conversation.

This is probably how these folk should be treated from now on. They clearly have not read the rules either:

* HALO UNIVERSE DISCUSSION
As noted above, discussion of the canonical elements from the Halo series may be discussed in this forum.

Canon is the fictional story of a body of material that is considered to be genuine or official.

This doesn't mean that threads can be created to discuss how awesome a Halo: Legends episode was, or that you don't like the art direction, or if someone liked/disliked a Halo book, or the achievements in Halo Wars.

Any Halo-related discussion in this forum should be directly related to the CANON of the Halo series only.

It is okay to discuss Halo Wars, Halo: Legends, Halo: Waypoint, as long as the discussion pertains to the Halo Universe and its fictional elements. For general, non-fictional discussion (art opinions, likes/dislikes, etc.) as well as discussion covering non-Bungie games, use the Flood Forum.

Translation: Take your opinions elsewhere. People come here to discuss and speculate on the story; its characters, events, possible pathways it can take, loose ends etc. Not to discuss some pretentious persons opinion.

  • 03.08.2011 9:08 PM PDT

MJB


Posted by: paulmarv
Posted by: MAXPWN197
says the rules of canon!!!!!!!!!!!

Bungies guide to Halo Canon
Halo Cryptum being the newest book in the halo franchise is placed between halo wars and halo legends on the list in the post, and as for who says its canon? well 343i says it's canon, anything halo related has to pass by their creative director Frank O'Connor who is a former Bungie employee. so stop having a fit over the shocking revelation and deal with it.


You are absolutely wrong; that thread is NOT "Bungie's" guide to canon, it is some fan's guide to canon. There is nothing official about it and the hierarchy he proposed is, I must respectfully and quite gently say, severely flawed.

There are natural laws as to what is Canon and what isn't, and you are clearly ignorant of them. Would you mind to inform me of these "Rules of Canon" you mention? I have never seen such a thing, other than my own personal rules.


halopedian gives this link as one of the references for there official canon policy page.

http://www.halopedian.com/Halopedia:Canon_Policy

  • 03.08.2011 9:33 PM PDT

MJB


Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: ajw34307
Think of this to be like the Star Wars prequels,

Ruining the series back story for everyone? Absolutely.

Since when did your opinion become the standard for everybody else?

Like you said earlier, it has ruined it for you. End of story. There is nothing else on top of that. It is not "ruined it for everybody".


Since right > wrong. Which has always been. Cryptum was such a poorly imagined and poorly thought out story that it just wrecks the Haloverse. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of being able to see that and not being able to see it.

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: dahuterschuter
Posted by: ajw34307
Think of this to be like the Star Wars prequels,

Ruining the series back story for everyone? Absolutely.

Since when did your opinion become the standard for everybody else?

Like you said earlier, it has ruined it for you. End of story. There is nothing else on top of that. It is not "ruined it for everybody".


Since right > wrong. Which has always been. Cryptum was such a poorly imagined and poorly thought out story that it just wrecks the Haloverse. It's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of being able to see that and not being able to see it.


jesus buddy, were trying to reason with you and all you can do is continue being a jerk, way to be a integral part of the bungie forums community...

  • 03.08.2011 9:40 PM PDT

MJB


Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
And Cryptum "wrecks the Haloverse" how exactly from your point of view?


In the exact same way the Star Wars prequels were detrimental to the originals, except somehow worse. There's huge potential for an amazing background in the Haloverse which is hinted at in the games through the dialogue and the terminals. It was awesome to theorize on the history of the Halo galaxy.

Then along comes Cryptum with an unimaginative story which goes against most things that were hinted at and said in the games. It destroys the mystery surrounding the Precursor, and gives us a ridiculous story of a pre-existing human empire. It made humans not the Forerunner's awesome chosen ones, but just their last resort sort of thing. Now, where humans had been a special species of the Forerunner, we're really just their little science project. I could go on such a rant but I'll kindly stop.

Basically, the novel just took all the mystery out of the Haloverse, and replaced it with a terrible story.

please, by all means share your opinions with us, just don't be a dick about it,
making statements like, "cryptum wrecks the haloverse" and "it ruined it for everyone" is going way to far, go ahead exercise free speech, no one everysaid you can speech on any one else's behalf.

  • 03.08.2011 9:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: paulmarv
Posted by: MAXPWN197
says the rules of canon!!!!!!!!!!!

Bungies guide to Halo Canon
Halo Cryptum being the newest book in the halo franchise is placed between halo wars and halo legends on the list in the post, and as for who says its canon? well 343i says it's canon, anything halo related has to pass by their creative director Frank O'Connor who is a former Bungie employee. so stop having a fit over the shocking revelation and deal with it.


You are absolutely wrong; that thread is NOT "Bungie's" guide to canon, it is some fan's guide to canon. There is nothing official about it and the hierarchy he proposed is, I must respectfully and quite gently say, severely flawed.

There are natural laws as to what is Canon and what isn't, and you are clearly ignorant of them. Would you mind to inform me of these "Rules of Canon" you mention? I have never seen such a thing, other than my own personal rules.


halopedian gives this link as one of the references for there official canon policy page.

http://www.halopedian.com/Halopedia:Canon_Policy


-sigh- this is exactly why I hate halopedia...

Halo wiki, Halopedia, Halopedian. Whatever it calls itself now a days is not an official canon source in of itself and never has been. They have no authority or say as to what is considered canon let alone where things should be ranked.

Joseph Staten's rule about the new official things becoming the new gold standard if it contradicts old still stands (and in effect still applies to whatever 343i churns out now whether it be book or game as they are now the ones holding the Halo reigns), fan made Halo wikis hardly have the authority to validate things as official or lend credence to anything for that matter simply because they cite it. Whatever they cite would have to be an official source of itself first and second off which many fail to pay attention closely to is that said source should be specifically quoted.

Edit: For example on the canon policy page itself look at the citation for number 4. What is that supposed to mean exactly in terms of validating a point when all it says is "editor's notes"?

[Edited on 03.08.2011 10:15 PM PST]

  • 03.08.2011 10:09 PM PDT

MJB


Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: MAXPWN197

Posted by: paulmarv
Posted by: MAXPWN197
says the rules of canon!!!!!!!!!!!

Bungies guide to Halo Canon
Halo Cryptum being the newest book in the halo franchise is placed between halo wars and halo legends on the list in the post, and as for who says its canon? well 343i says it's canon, anything halo related has to pass by their creative director Frank O'Connor who is a former Bungie employee. so stop having a fit over the shocking revelation and deal with it.


You are absolutely wrong; that thread is NOT "Bungie's" guide to canon, it is some fan's guide to canon. There is nothing official about it and the hierarchy he proposed is, I must respectfully and quite gently say, severely flawed.

There are natural laws as to what is Canon and what isn't, and you are clearly ignorant of them. Would you mind to inform me of these "Rules of Canon" you mention? I have never seen such a thing, other than my own personal rules.


halopedian gives this link as one of the references for there official canon policy page.

http://www.halopedian.com/Halopedia:Canon_Policy


-sigh- this is exactly why I hate halopedia...

Halo wiki, Halopedia, Halopedian. Whatever it calls itself now a days is not an official canon source in of itself and never has been. They have no authority or say as to what is considered canon let alone where things should be ranked.

Joseph Staten's rule about the new official things becoming the new gold standard if it contradicts old still stands (and in effect still applies to whatever 343i churns out now whether it be book or game as they are now the ones holding the Halo reigns), fan made Halo wikis hardly have the authority to validate things as official or lend credence to anything for that matter simply because they cite it. Whatever they cite would have to be an official source of itself first and second off which many fail to pay attention closely to is that said source should be specifically quoted.

Edit: For example on the canon policy page itself look at the citation for number 4. What is that supposed to mean exactly in terms of validating a point when all it says is "editor's notes"?


i realize your an integral member of the bungie forums but, tell that to Commander Tony.
his site is mearly quoting joe statan, and is a communal place for all official canon to be utilized to make an encyclopedia like resource for all halo fans to read and use

  • 03.08.2011 10:18 PM PDT


Posted by: MAXPWN197

Posted by: dahuterschuter

Posted by: StealthSlasher2
And Cryptum "wrecks the Haloverse" how exactly from your point of view?


In the exact same way the Star Wars prequels were detrimental to the originals, except somehow worse. There's huge potential for an amazing background in the Haloverse which is hinted at in the games through the dialogue and the terminals. It was awesome to theorize on the history of the Halo galaxy.

Then along comes Cryptum with an unimaginative story which goes against most things that were hinted at and said in the games. It destroys the mystery surrounding the Precursor, and gives us a ridiculous story of a pre-existing human empire. It made humans not the Forerunner's awesome chosen ones, but just their last resort sort of thing. Now, where humans had been a special species of the Forerunner, we're really just their little science project. I could go on such a rant but I'll kindly stop.

Basically, the novel just took all the mystery out of the Haloverse, and replaced it with a terrible story.

please, by all means share your opinions with us, just don't be a dick about it,
making statements like, "cryptum wrecks the haloverse" and "it ruined it for everyone" is going way to far, go ahead exercise free speech, no one everysaid you can speech on any one else's behalf.


Necro post time XD

Cryptum did not ruin any sort of canon, it may have overturned a fair bit of fan theories, but it did not contradict anything stated about the Forerunners in the games, books, or any other media that Bungie/343i has published. You are inclined to disagree on whether Cryptum was good or not, however you would be wrong to claim it breaks canon.

That post was directed to dahuterschuter, not you MAXPWN.

  • 04.25.2011 5:49 PM PDT

Welcome to bungie, you have no rights. play nice!
CLICK!

Says 343i. The official source of canon.

  • 04.25.2011 8:56 PM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

I can see it now. After the release of Halo: Reach, fans begin to start rejecting the game as canon. Other fans start seeing this as an excuse to reject anything officially established as canon if they do not like it. By 2012 the Halo canon is in shambles, with people only accepting different bits and pieces of it. By 2013 Combat Evolved isn't regarded as canon by most.

[Edited on 04.25.2011 9:56 PM PDT]

  • 04.25.2011 9:55 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
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343i holds the ultimate canon authority. They authorized the writing of Cryptum, therefore it's canon. Franky even talked about it.
Also Halo Wars is canon. You can see this as Bungie worked closely with Eric Nyland when he wrote Halsey's Journal, which had several references to Halo Wars. There's no reason for HW to be non-canon.

  • 04.25.2011 9:58 PM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

Posted by: ImmortalJoshua
343i holds the ultimate canon authority. They authorized the writing of Cryptum, therefore it's canon. Franky even talked about it.
Also Halo Wars is canon. You can see this as Bungie worked closely with Eric Nyland when he wrote Halsey's Journal, which had several references to Halo Wars. There's no reason for HW to be non-canon.

Nobody cares what you think. (Rule of thumb)

  • 04.25.2011 10:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I don't understand why the humans didn't just ask the Forerunners for help against the Flood. The Didact says that the Forerunners didn't even know about the Flood until after defeating the humans, which I find hard to believe.

It was probably an ONI cover-up. Even ancient humanity had ONI to cover everything up.

I hear that humanity and the forerunners weren't on the best of terms with one another.

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  • 04.25.2011 10:11 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
I don't understand why the humans didn't just ask the Forerunners for help against the Flood. The Didact says that the Forerunners didn't even know about the Flood until after defeating the humans, which I find hard to believe.

It was probably an ONI cover-up. Even ancient humanity had ONI to cover everything up.
are's is the government

  • 04.25.2011 10:20 PM PDT

I started up the heated debate on whether the SPARTAN-II in the cryo tube near the end of Reach is really Linda.
I created the Moa XING avatar pic.
Also I earned the All Star nameplate with this submission to Week 14 All Stars http://www.bungie.net/images/News/Inline11/bwu_0415/art/likea boss.jpg


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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I don't understand why the humans didn't just ask the Forerunners for help against the Flood. The Didact says that the Forerunners didn't even know about the Flood until after defeating the humans, which I find hard to believe.

It was probably an ONI cover-up. Even ancient humanity had ONI to cover everything up.
are's is the government


Great, 2 ONIs.
I found it interesting how Greg Bear tied in the terminals with the book. Obviously he read them over and over again. I'm sure the books will cover the events in the terminals, hopefully Book 3 will explain what happened after the array fired. I bet there were some Forerunners that survived.

  • 04.25.2011 10:23 PM PDT

--SPeaking of living Forerunner... Wasn't the keyship that was uncovered in Halo 3 actually piloted by The Librarian. My old source years ago (probably bungie.org) said that she most likely lived her years on Earth alone till she died. alone. BUt she may have been the last living Forerunner.
--But yes. Even though it ruined the familiar Halo story for me, it is canon and is an integral part of the over-arcing Halo saga.

  • 04.25.2011 11:24 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

The writer of Cryptum says it canon.

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  • 04.26.2011 12:09 AM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe
I think Cryptum is perfectly acceptable as canon. It doesn't step on the feet of any of the Halo stories, therefore, it fits perfectly fine.

This. Cryptum is a great book. Now shut up.

  • 04.26.2011 12:12 AM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Posted by: red alert447
Ooh, so you were joking.
more like "oh no, i was wrong, got to find an excuse quick"


Urgh, you obviously don't know me. I would have to be deluded to believe ONI existed in the time of the ancient human empire. The fact that you can't grasp the fact that it was a joke is, quite frankly, astounding.

I've written three popular fan fictions set in the Halo universe, finished two of them, one totaling nearly 400 pages, and I've written multiple theories in this forum too. I know a heck of a lot more than you do about the Halo universe, and unless you're trolling, I can bloody guarantee that I'm a lot more intelligent than your abysmally witted self too.

On that topic, when is the next chapter on True (I can't spell the covenant name for elites) coming out? I really like the story, probably me favorite of all of you're works.

  • 04.26.2011 12:14 AM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
...I was joking, you utter tool.


Carlsberg don't make insults, but if they did, they would probably be the best insults in the world.

  • 04.26.2011 1:03 AM PDT


Posted by: That Atheist
Posted by: Wolverfrog
I don't understand why the humans didn't just ask the Forerunners for help against the Flood. The Didact says that the Forerunners didn't even know about the Flood until after defeating the humans, which I find hard to believe.

It was probably an ONI cover-up. Even ancient humanity had ONI to cover everything up.

I hear that humanity and the forerunners weren't on the best
of terms with one another.

true. They absolutely hated each other. Humanity thought the forerunners as the "spoiled brat" of the galaxy, taking all the technology for themselves, while the Forerunners viewed Humanity as arrogant, greedy, and not caring about anyone apart from themselves.

  • 04.26.2011 2:39 AM PDT


Posted by: Dustin 6047
They attacked a Forerunner world under fear the flood would attack Earth and destroy their race, so they lost trying to steel their planet and the Forerunners gave them their punishment, they were de-evolved back to cavemen.

actually, ancient humanity's homeworld was Charum Hakkor.

  • 04.26.2011 2:43 AM PDT

In the days of old, there were legends of a land long lost to time. This land was known as Ranna'Mor. Ranna'Mor was said to contain in its borders 7 warriors. These warriors had once unleashed a veritable hell upon the ancient world, until they were locked away. My name is Toriad, and I am one of those warriors. Our return is approaching. Do not run away, do not cower in fear; take solace in your final days, for that is all we can do. -Legend of Ranna'Mor

Posted by: gamedude234

Posted by: Dustin 6047
They attacked a Forerunner world under fear the flood would attack Earth and destroy their race, so they lost trying to steel their planet and the Forerunners gave them their punishment, they were de-evolved back to cavemen.

actually, ancient humanity's homeworld was Charum Hakkor.
Charum Hakkor wasn't the homeworld, it was a base of operations, chosen as such because it contain Precursor tech, something the Forerunners valued above all else.

  • 04.26.2011 2:53 AM PDT
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Yes I'm fairly young. No, that doesn't mean I'm automatically dumber than you or have less life experience, thats just generally the case. I am not your general case.

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Posted by: gamedude234

Posted by: Dustin 6047
They attacked a Forerunner world under fear the flood would attack Earth and destroy their race, so they lost trying to steel their planet and the Forerunners gave them their punishment, they were de-evolved back to cavemen.

actually, ancient humanity's homeworld was Charum Hakkor.
Charum Hakkor wasn't the homeworld, it was a base of operations, chosen as such because it contain Precursor tech, something the Forerunners valued above all else.

Yeah, Charum hakkor was like their version of Reach.

  • 04.26.2011 10:37 AM PDT

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