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Subject: Gears vs. ODST, who is the superior soldier?


Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
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Wait, so the Cog squad gets the hammer of dawn, yet the ODST squad gets nothing similar? Haha trying to make it one-sided.

If the ODST group is not allowed any vehicles, air strike/support, or artillery, then the Cog squad is disqualified by default for Hammer of Dawn.


What?
The ODST Squad has much better weapons.
They have a Spartan Laser, a Rocket Launcher, A sniper Rifle that shoots 4 bullets instead of 1 and you want to take away the COG's best weapon?
That totally unbalances the fight.

as I said, HOD pretty much equals the Splaser.


HOD = orbital/artillery heavy support.

Might behave similar (Besides the fact certain terrain makes it's targeting null.) but the concept is basically "The Cog squad can call in support, ODST's cannot." Oh, and the target locator? it's artillery, not airstrike last I remember <_<.

Anyway, the way I see it the Cog squad prefers and will try to push in CQC. ODST squad will stay back, picking the Cogs off as their heads are exposed and since they are larger, easier targets.

  • 03.07.2011 8:37 PM PDT

The HOD isn't support though.
It is something that is always there that is online whenever it orbits in range.
For an artillery strike to be available, someone else has to of set up an artillery site, there was no time to do that before this match up.

anyways, knowing general COG strategies from the books and games, they would break into two groups of two, probably Marcus and Anya as one group and Dom and Cole as another, and have Baird stay back with his sniper as a spotter.

They would flank in different directions until combat was initiated, they would be wary of snipers and enemies held up in fortified positions.

In this scenario they have the advantage of high ground, so it would be easier for them to spot oncoming enemies.

The ODST would probably split up but stay within range of each other, Buck, the Rookie and Mickey would probably go in while Romeo and Dutch stay back to provide fire support.

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See, I think the Gears have it.

The ODSTs are just elite Marines: Gears are massive, ridiculously well-built men with a FRIGGIN CHAINSAW ON THEIR RIFLE.
And they have Cole.

C'mon.

  • 03.07.2011 9:26 PM PDT

ODST's they don't have to get up close to win. And if they do get close, they have superior weapons.

  • 03.07.2011 9:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
The HOD isn't support though.
It is something that is always there that is online whenever it orbits in range.
For an artillery strike to be available, someone else has to of set up an artillery site, there was no time to do that before this match up.


Semantics. I mean have you read what you've typed? "is always there" followed immediately by "whenever it orbits in range". Bit of a contradiction there.

The Hammer is a support weapon, period. It's no different than artillery or air strikes being designated by any other type of laser designator.

For it to be a fair fight both sides should not posses indirect support.

  • 03.07.2011 10:04 PM PDT

You know to be honest i've never seen the cogs charging a locust position in the game, when they have to defend an area, with a key strategical advantage... *this being higher ground*

Hence i think it's pretty clear who would win... ODST's are good no doubt, but the few poultry COGS that are still alive in GEARS are harder than coffin nails...

ODST's they're good, but they're built for special ops, not entrenched warfare and prolonged durations of combat, living in horrible conditions, and with little to no support being available due to nemesis and the fact that they don't have huge flying ships, with massive armaments...

TL:DR COGS are more adapt to the extremeties of war... at its worst, whilst ODST's are built for special ops (quick in and out insertions)

  • 03.07.2011 10:16 PM PDT

messed up this post formatting, look at quote right under

[Edited on 03.07.2011 10:23 PM PST]

  • 03.07.2011 10:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
The HOD isn't support though.
It is something that is always there that is online whenever it orbits in range.
For an artillery strike to be available, someone else has to of set up an artillery site, there was no time to do that before this match up.


Semantics. I mean have you read what you've typed? "is always there" followed immediately by "whenever it orbits in range". Bit of a contradiction there.

The Hammer is a support weapon, period. It's no different than artillery or air strikes being designated by any other type of laser designator.

For it to be a fair fight both sides should not posses indirect support.


I gave them a HOD to make it interesting.
If we want it to be boring and fair they should just all have assault rifles and pistols.


So you allow the Gears to have a bloody WMD? Well that isn't boring at all then when one side can just god damn vaporize an entire sector if they so choose to do so.

  • 03.07.2011 10:21 PM PDT

I'm not giving them the ability to spam laser.
This is the HOD that you can use in the game. It has like a 8m kill radius and can't wreck buildings.

  • 03.07.2011 10:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
I'm not giving them the ability to spam laser.
This is the HOD that you can use in the game. It has like a 8m kill radius and can't wreck buildings.


You do realize that even in its weakest state, the Hammer of Dawn instantly vaporizes anything smaller than a Berserker within that 8m range when its dropped right? It doesn't even need direct line of sight with the enemy as it can be dropped right next to a foe's cover.

We use that thing continuously on Berserkers. They instantly fry drones within a milisecond of being dropped within range. They'll do the same to any human as well. Again, this makes the fight completely one sided and boring because it's an easy win for the Gears. The Spartan Laser which you say would be an ODST equivalent needs direct line of sight to kill, the hammer doesn't as its splash damage is already overkill on anything less than a Berserker rendering cover null.

[Edited on 03.07.2011 10:31 PM PST]

  • 03.07.2011 10:30 PM PDT

When you aim the HOD though it shows a laser showing where it is being pointed from that is clearly visible and has to be held on a position for a few seconds to start, than for the whole time it is firing.

That would be easy to countersnipe.

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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
When you aim the HOD though it shows a laser showing where it is being pointed from that is clearly visible and has to be held on a position for a few seconds to start, than for the whole time it is firing.

That would be easy to countersnipe.


Bull-blam!-! A few seconds is all you need. If gears get the HOD, then ODSTs get a FENRIS nuclear bomb.

  • 03.08.2011 3:09 PM PDT

(Buck)"Gentlemen! Pull the Jesus guns."
*Headshots all Gears*
"Well that was easy."

Or

SHOOOM!
(Dutch)"Wow, I didn't know you could kill five people with one shot..."

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Posted by: II R3D II
You know to be honest i've never seen the cogs charging a locust position in the game, when they have to defend an area, with a key strategical advantage... *this being higher ground*

Hence i think it's pretty clear who would win... ODST's are good no doubt, but the few poultry COGS that are still alive in GEARS are harder than coffin nails...

ODST's they're good, but they're built for special ops, not entrenched warfare and prolonged durations of combat, living in horrible conditions, and with little to no support being available due to nemesis and the fact that they don't have huge flying ships, with massive armaments...

TL:DR COGS are more adapt to the extremeties of war... at its worst, whilst ODST's are built for special ops (quick in and out insertions)

No, ODSTs are pretty much Green Beret but with heavy armor, a drop pod instead of parachutes, nd a shoulder mounted laser. I mean, have you seen the Halo Barid? He's bigger than any COG. But this is Dare's squad, but if one sergent can take on a menace more powerful then the locust times a million, Dare's squad can take on steriod addicts and a stupid -blam!-.

You don't know what your talking about.

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Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
When you aim the HOD though it shows a laser showing where it is being pointed from that is clearly visible and has to be held on a position for a few seconds to start, than for the whole time it is firing.

That would be easy to countersnipe.


Bull-blam!-! A few seconds is all you need. If gears get the HOD, then ODSTs get a FENRIS nuclear bomb.

Easy countersnipe, the area of effect on the HOD is only a few feet. Get away and shoot the dumb batard.

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Posted by: egore11
Marcus shoots a couple times, charging at Buck, reving up the chainsaw, Buck easilly pushes it out f the way, stabbing his knife in Marcus's head.

Cole and Mickey are at a stand still, both have ran out of ammo, Mickey says something really stupid, "What the-" Cole is cut off from a frag to the mouth.

Dutch and Dominic hit head on, Dom knocks Dutch off the roof, colliding into the Machine Gun turret, Dom notices the unhooked machine gun, picking it up. But before he can use it, a rocket blasts into the conopy, splattering Dom all over. Mickey waves to Dutch.

Dutch notices a barrel pointing from a large hole in the wall, walks ovr, grabs the rifle and man, Damon says "-blam!- you-" but is slienced by multipe punches, and then a mag of smg rounds to the face.

Romeo crouches down, Anya puts on a helmet and turns into carmine. Her head explodes from an anti material round.

The rook wakes up, saying...nothing.


Round 2:

Cole is sipping some cola, but notices a drop pod coming down, then to more. He warns Marcus but is silenced by the Rookie's pod smashing into him.

The rook hops out, pushes away Dom's chainsaw, drops back, narrowly escaping a shot from Damon's sniper.

"-blam!-, it's jammed!" Barid cringes as he sees his friend Dom drop dead, full of mag rounds. Barid charges, grappling with the Rookie.

Marcus chainsaws Mickey's arm off, who, as it turns out, is too dumb to feel pain and blows himself and Marcus up with his rockets.

The rook and Barid are still fighting.

Buck sees Anya, tries to smooth talk her into peace, sees she won't back down and pops her with a head shot.

Barid gets the upper hand in the fight, but is popped in the back by Dutch, who grabs his arms, holding him back. The rookie headbutts Barid at full throttle, snapping Barid's neck.

  • 03.08.2011 4:44 PM PDT

If the ODST's got to drop from orbit (( without ship support after )) the ODST's would have the upperhand.

I would like to see UNSC vs Locust and CoG Vs Covenent

i guess the CoG would get destroyed because they have no spaceships....but in a ground to ground with no covy ships

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  • 03.08.2011 6:10 PM PDT

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With all due respect to Delta Squad...the Covenant is a much harder enemy then the Locusts.

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

How the battle goes:

Delta goes in acting like a bunch of badasses, tries to intimidate the ODST's, then Rookie pulls out his Silenced Magnum and shoots each COG in the head. Game Over.

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.


Posted by: SIeepy Demon123
If the ODST's got to drop from orbit (( without ship support after )) the ODST's would have the upperhand.

I would like to see UNSC vs Locust and CoG Vs Covenent

i guess the CoG would get destroyed because they have no spaceships....but in a ground to ground with no covy ships


No freaking way a chainsaw could rip through an Elite's or Brute's shielding. They could just walk up and slice/pummel them.

  • 03.08.2011 6:43 PM PDT
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  • 03.08.2011 6:53 PM PDT

Posted by: egore11

Posted by: II R3D II
You know to be honest i've never seen the cogs charging a locust position in the game, when they have to defend an area, with a key strategical advantage... *this being higher ground*

Hence i think it's pretty clear who would win... ODST's are good no doubt, but the few poultry COGS that are still alive in GEARS are harder than coffin nails...

ODST's they're good, but they're built for special ops, not entrenched warfare and prolonged durations of combat, living in horrible conditions, and with little to no support being available due to nemesis and the fact that they don't have huge flying ships, with massive armaments...

TL:DR COGS are more adapt to the extremeties of war... at its worst, whilst ODST's are built for special ops (quick in and out insertions)

No, ODSTs are pretty much Green Beret but with heavy armor, a drop pod instead of parachutes, nd a shoulder mounted laser. I mean, have you seen the Halo Barid? He's bigger than any COG. But this is Dare's squad, but if one sergent can take on a menace more powerful then the locust times a million, Dare's squad can take on steriod addicts and a stupid -blam!-.

You don't know what your talking about.



I'm pretty sure the locust are much more scarier than the covenant, enemies which deploy from the sky you can see coming, enemies coming up from below you is impossible to see coming. *disregarding numbers obviously, cos otherwise this thread is completely biased, due to scaling*

In response to what you said earlier "one sergeant take on a menace more powerful then the locust times a million" please explain what this menace is... and don't just say the covenant, because this sergeant your talking about never took on the whole covenant at one time did he???

Also whose Barid? i don't know of any Barid in GEARS, there is a Baird however? XD and Baird in gears isn't even considered "buff" compared to Cole or Tai...

Furthermore how could Cole possible get crushed by a drop pod in your "round 2" seriously are you that biased...

Cole "Oh im just going to stand here, i've seen the drop pods from miles off but it's got no chance of hitting me" smack?!?!

Also how do you simply push aside a chainsaw? "oh i'll just stick my hand on the side of the blade, even though its reved and he could pull the chainsaw infront of my hand?" O.o goodluck with that.... besides why use the chainsaw if the enemies busy getting out of a pod, when u could a. hammer of dawn it? or b. throw a nade?

and how did Anya appear on high ground in this hypothetical scenario? i'm pretty sure in the OP she wasn't included?

Finally how would the ODST's get inside high ground so easily? even via drop pods they'd be pretty easy to counter for COG's who are used to throwing grenades down holes the locust crawl out of repeatedly???

*BTW in future if you must post "rounds" please make sure to counter in the fact that COG's aren't stupid fools, charging around the battlefield reving chainsaws (use some logical analysis)* AND im pretty sure i know what im talking about...

  • 03.08.2011 7:35 PM PDT

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