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Subject: Spartan III or Spartan I

When we joined the covenant we took an oath, according to our stations all without exceptions,
on the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons - we swore to uphold the covenant, even to our dying breath, those who would break this oath are heretics - worthy of neither pity nor mercy, even now they use our lords' creation to broadcast for their lives, we shall grind them into dust, and continue our march to glorious salvation !

Poll: Spartan III or Spartan I  [closed]
Spartan I:  23%
(7 Votes)
Spartan III:  77%
(24 Votes)
Total Votes: 31

i got the idea from DemonicAngel, but seriously which is better. Spartan I's were basically super soldiers, not really that special. Although Spartan III's aren't that great either. they don't have much shield or muscle, and they were made to be expandable.

SpartanI

SpartanIII

[Edited on 03.08.2011 7:58 PM PST]

  • 03.08.2011 7:56 PM PDT

Only the consideration of other gives your words meaning

The first Spartans weren't Spartans but under the ORION project, Seargent Johnson was included.

  • 03.09.2011 2:11 PM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Spartan III's are like the normal size version of Spartan II's. Same augmentations except for the thyroid augmentation, so I'll go with the III's

  • 03.09.2011 2:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Spartan III's are like the normal size version of Spartan II's. Same augmentations except for the thyroid augmentation, so I'll go with the III's


They also have less training, are more twitchy, and have a lot less experience.

It's a hard pick for me honestly. Johnson was a great character. And if Mendez/Byrne actually are S1's, I'd probably pick SI over SIII. However, since we don't know for sure, I'll pick SIII's over the I's. Simply because of Tom+Lucy.

  • 03.09.2011 2:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Spartan III's are like the normal size version of Spartan II's. Same augmentations except for the thyroid augmentation, so I'll go with the III's

It is never stated that the IIIs did not received a thyroid implant. However, it is stated in GoO that as well as the chemical augmentation procedures there were also a surgical procedures.

As for size, Noble Team are on average the same height and/or taller than the Chief. Spartan IIIs are clearly just as oversized as IIs. I don't know where people got the idea that IIIs are smaller.

  • 03.09.2011 2:36 PM PDT
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Are you talkin' like in a fight or which I like more?

Fight: 3's without a doubt. Armor, shields, extensive augmentations, extensive training, etc.

My Opinion: 1's without a doubt. Johnson, Bryne, Mendez. Awesome characters.

  • 03.09.2011 2:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Spartan III's are like the normal size version of Spartan II's. Same augmentations except for the thyroid augmentation, so I'll go with the III's

It is never stated that the IIIs did not received a thyroid implant. However, it is stated in GoO that as well as the chemical augmentation procedures there were also a surgical procedures.

As for size, Noble Team are on average the same height and/or taller than the Chief. Spartan IIIs are clearly just as oversized as IIs. I don't know where people got the idea that IIIs are smaller.


Their training and augments, including a few side effects among them, got and were better for S-IIIs, however.

  • 03.09.2011 2:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
However, it is stated in GoO that as well as the chemical augmentation procedures there were also a surgical procedures.



Can I get a page number or a direct quote please? I never remember seeing that. It was just chemical.

  • 03.09.2011 2:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Spartan III's are like the normal size version of Spartan II's. Same augmentations except for the thyroid augmentation, so I'll go with the III's

It is never stated that the IIIs did not received a thyroid implant. However, it is stated in GoO that as well as the chemical augmentation procedures there were also a surgical procedures.

As for size, Noble Team are on average the same height and/or taller than the Chief. Spartan IIIs are clearly just as oversized as IIs. I don't know where people got the idea that IIIs are smaller.


This is the drugs that Spartan III's received.

"carbide ceramic ossification catalyst" drug: Skeletons become virtually unbreakable, allowing survival in harder impacts.

"fibroid muscular protein complex" drug: Increased density of individual's muscles, allowing heavier lifting.

"retina-inversion stabilizer" drug: Color sharpness is significantly improved upon, and night vision is adapted.

improve the colloidal neural disunification solution: Greatly improves the individual's reaction time, decreasing the time taken to react by 300%. "Spartan time".


As you can see, no Thyroid drug.

  • 03.09.2011 2:44 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.

I'm going with Spartan-Is since Johnson is so badass.

  • 03.09.2011 2:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: switch 104 sv
However, it is stated in GoO that as well as the chemical augmentation procedures there were also a surgical procedures.



Can I get a page number or a direct quote please? I never remember seeing that. It was just chemical.

"They'd be sedated and injected with chemical cocktails and surgically altered . . .", Page 99. I hadn't noticed it before either. Just saw it recently when I was reading the book again.

@ RKOSNAKE

Kurt didn't list all the chemicals. He was skimming to check for the particular one he was looking for.


[Edited on 03.09.2011 2:55 PM PST]

  • 03.09.2011 2:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: switch 104 sv
However, it is stated in GoO that as well as the chemical augmentation procedures there were also a surgical procedures.



Can I get a page number or a direct quote please? I never remember seeing that. It was just chemical.

"They'd be sedated and injected with chemical cocktails and surgically altered . . .", Page 99. I hadn't noticed it before either. Just saw it recently when I was reading the book again.


More context please? Is that what they were SUPPOSED to do? Like, that wasn't a description of them in surgery or anything. Everything else points to simply chemical augments, and that's what made the difference in survival rate.

  • 03.09.2011 3:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: switch 104 sv
However, it is stated in GoO that as well as the chemical augmentation procedures there were also a surgical procedures.



Can I get a page number or a direct quote please? I never remember seeing that. It was just chemical.

"They'd be sedated and injected with chemical cocktails and surgically altered . . .", Page 99. I hadn't noticed it before either. Just saw it recently when I was reading the book again.


More context please? Is that what they were SUPPOSED to do? Like, that wasn't a description of them in surgery or anything. Everything else points to simply chemical augments, and that's what made the difference in survival rate.


Actually, what guaranteed a 100 percent survival rate was the fact that the augmentations had already been tested on the Spartan II's with two decades of difference between both projects there was more than enough time to improve the techniques used for the augmentations.

  • 03.09.2011 3:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Spartan III's are like the normal size version of Spartan II's. Same augmentations except for the thyroid augmentation, so I'll go with the III's

It is never stated that the IIIs did not received a thyroid implant. However, it is stated in GoO that as well as the chemical augmentation procedures there were also a surgical procedures.

As for size, Noble Team are on average the same height and/or taller than the Chief. Spartan IIIs are clearly just as oversized as IIs. I don't know where people got the idea that IIIs are smaller.


Well, individuals vary of course, I mean, people on average reach the 5/6 feet height with some ending up all the way to 7 feet, so it may be their natural height as opposed to the unnatural height that Jorge and most Spartan II's possessed.

  • 03.09.2011 3:19 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

There was only 11 years between the Spartan II augments and the Alpha augments.

  • 03.09.2011 3:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: switch 104 sv
However, it is stated in GoO that as well as the chemical augmentation procedures there were also a surgical procedures.



Can I get a page number or a direct quote please? I never remember seeing that. It was just chemical.

"They'd be sedated and injected with chemical cocktails and surgically altered . . .", Page 99. I hadn't noticed it before either. Just saw it recently when I was reading the book again.


More context please? Is that what they were SUPPOSED to do? Like, that wasn't a description of them in surgery or anything. Everything else points to simply chemical augments, and that's what made the difference in survival rate.

They'd be sedated and injected with chemical cocktails and surgically altered to give them the strength of three normaol soldiers, decrease their neural reaction time, and enhance their durability. It was the final step in their transformation to Spartans." It then goes on to say that Kurt had explained the risks and showed them some of the possible side effects by footage of the deformed Spartan II candidates, however, the new and improved medical protocols would prevent this. Still it seems a little pointless unless it was somehow relevant.

Besides, if the word "surgery" is used there is no reason to think otherwise. If you hear hooves think of horses, not zebras (occam's razor). If Nylund put the word there its for a reason. If he was referring simply to the effects of the drugs then "physically" or "biologically altered" would have fit better, but that's not the case.

  • 03.09.2011 3:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Spartan III's are like the normal size version of Spartan II's. Same augmentations except for the thyroid augmentation, so I'll go with the III's

It is never stated that the IIIs did not received a thyroid implant. However, it is stated in GoO that as well as the chemical augmentation procedures there were also a surgical procedures.

As for size, Noble Team are on average the same height and/or taller than the Chief. Spartan IIIs are clearly just as oversized as IIs. I don't know where people got the idea that IIIs are smaller.


Well, individuals vary of course, I mean, people on average reach the 5/6 feet height with some ending up all the way to 7 feet, so it may be their natural height as opposed to the unnatural height that Jorge and most Spartan II's possessed.


All known Spartan-IIIs who have made it to the adulthood (25+ years of age) have reached the average Spartan-II height, and also to the point of being taller to their Spartan-II counterparts.

  • 03.09.2011 3:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
There was only 11 years between the Spartan II augments and the Alpha augments.


True, my bad.

  • 03.09.2011 3:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Spartan III's are like the normal size version of Spartan II's. Same augmentations except for the thyroid augmentation, so I'll go with the III's

It is never stated that the IIIs did not received a thyroid implant. However, it is stated in GoO that as well as the chemical augmentation procedures there were also a surgical procedures.

As for size, Noble Team are on average the same height and/or taller than the Chief. Spartan IIIs are clearly just as oversized as IIs. I don't know where people got the idea that IIIs are smaller.


Well, individuals vary of course, I mean, people on average reach the 5/6 feet height with some ending up all the way to 7 feet, so it may be their natural height as opposed to the unnatural height that Jorge and most Spartan II's possessed.

Jorge was massive even compared to the rest of the IIs. I'd guess that he would have rivaled Sam as the largest Spartan. I vaguely remember something in Halsey's journal saying that he continued you grow after the rest of the Spartans stopped, like the elephantiasis side effects but to a lesser extent.

[Edited on 03.09.2011 3:41 PM PST]

  • 03.09.2011 3:30 PM PDT

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Yeah, Jorge was at least one foot taller than every member of Noble Team, which reaches average Spartan II height.

  • 03.09.2011 3:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Yeah, Jorge was at least one foot taller than every member of Noble Team, which reaches average Spartan II height.

Well if Jorge is a foot taller than Noble Team then he's a foot taller than most Spartan IIs also. As I already explained, Noble Team are the same if not taller than the Chief. IIIs are the same average height as IIs and Jorge taller again.

  • 03.09.2011 3:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Yeah, Jorge was at least one foot taller than every member of Noble Team, which reaches average Spartan II height.

Well if Jorge is a foot taller than Noble Team then he's a foot taller than most Spartan IIs also. As I already explained, Noble Team are the same if not taller than the Chief. IIIs are the same average height as IIs and Jorge taller again.

That's what I just said, that Noble Team members reach average Spartan II height....

  • 03.09.2011 3:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: RKOSNAKE
Yeah, Jorge was at least one foot taller than every member of Noble Team, which reaches average Spartan II height.

Well if Jorge is a foot taller than Noble Team then he's a foot taller than most Spartan IIs also. As I already explained, Noble Team are the same if not taller than the Chief. IIIs are the same average height as IIs and Jorge taller again.

That's what I just said, that Noble Team members reach average Spartan II height....

Sorry, misinterpreted that. My bad.

  • 03.09.2011 3:57 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Johnson > Everyone who is not Johnson.

  • 03.09.2011 4:12 PM PDT
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lol get your facts straight. Spartan I was a failed experiment. And as Johnson as one of the volunteers, it wasn't a big step. Now spartan IIIs, sure, they weren't spartan IIs, but they still had actual superhuman traits.

tho johnson, mendez and byrnes are all badass, if we were to compare in general, spartan IIIs for sure.

[Edited on 03.09.2011 4:39 PM PST]

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