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Subject: Midship (H2) vs. Heretic (H3) - Detailed Comparison *repost*
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
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I definitely believe every wildly inflated claim ITT.

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NB: I have made this thread about 3 times, but because of how long it is, it never got read, and just got lost in the "OMGAWD BR SPREADZ" threads.

With less people on the forum, I thought it was a good chance to repost. Obviously it doesn't mean anything, but it's a good read, IMO. Good luck, and good reading.

Midship vs. Heretic - Visual Differences and more.
What I'm going to do, is have a title that is where my Spartan is standing to where he is looking to. I have taken screenshots from H3 and capped some from H2.

The differences aren't huge in a way of layout, but detail is immensely different and there are MANY small changes. There are, however, a few big differences.

Visual

So, let's have a look at the differences between the two maps.

Blue to Red
Midship
Heretic

Carbine to Blue
Midship
Heretic

Carbine to Top Middle
Midship
Heretic

Carbine to Pink
Midship
Heretic

Top Middle to Carbine 3
Midship
Heretic

Top Middle to Pink 3
Midship
Heretic

Top Middle to Red 2
Midship
Heretic

Pink 3 to Carbine 3
Midship
Heretic

Red 1 to Blue 1
Midship
Heretic

Red 2 to Blue 2
Midship
Heretic

Red 2 to Carbine
Midship
Heretic

Red 2 to Bottom Middle
Midship
Heretic

Red 2 to Pink
Midship
Heretic

So there you go, that is the comparison between Midship (Halo 2) and Heretic (Halo 3) to just about every aspect of each map.

Gameplay

Pink Tower

Now, if you look at the Pink Tower in Midship, you would notice that it is a lot larger than the Pink Tower in Heretic. This has a pretty big affect on the gameplay in Heretic. P2 in H3 is like a trap. You walk in there, and you get naded. You most likely won't survive. However, in H2, P2 was a good place to take cover, it was larger and therefor, you didn't get affected by nades if they were on the other side.

Hitscan BRs vs. H3 BRs

H2 also used hitscan BRs, which meant that you didn't have to lead your shots, and the bullets registered the moment you pulled the trigger. Hitscan BRs made the Gameplay on Heretic much faster, because you didn't have to lead your shots. Another thing is that Midship was smaller than Heretic, but had bigger platforms. This also caused gameplay to be much faster.

Plasma Grenades

We all know that Midship had Plasma Grenade starts, but does this mean that Heretic should? In Halo 3, the Plasma Grenades have a bigger blast radius, this in turn makes Heretic a HUGE nade fest, with overpowered grenades. Do you think that Heretic would be better off with Frag' starts?

Spawns
Personally, I think that the spawns in Heretic are quite ridiculous. This is not the fault of the map itself, but more the spawn system that is in H3. From what I know, you didn't spawn at Carbine in Midship, but you can in Heretic.

Good thing or bad thing? I'll let you be the judge.

In Midship, I believe that the spawns are less randomized and more concentrated, where as in Heretic, you spawn in pretty ridiculous spots half the time. Especially when one of the most prominent spawns in Heretic, being Carbine, is filled with Fusion Coils.

Pink Tower

On Midship, everyone knew that Pink Tower was key to winning. This is also true about Heretic, but in Heretic, it is harder to hold, because Pink 2 is much smaller and Pink 3 is less effective. This is partly because of the Hitscan BR and the fact that P3 is slightly bigger on Midship.

Equipment

Equipment! Does it break the map or make the map? I think that it breaks the map. The Bubble Shield in Default Heretic majorly slows gameplay. How? It completely blocks corriders and allows the Sword to be ridiculously OP. It can block off the whole of P2, and someone with a Sword, in a Bubble, on P2, could single handedly change the outcome of the game.

Personally, I believe that Equipment is a negative addition to Midship.


Weapon Glitches (BxR, BxB, Double Shot, etc.)

Weapon glitches were a huge part of Halo 2, and a big part of Midship. Just for those who don't know.

BxR = Melee and then BR (or any re loadable weapon) shot straight away (can only be done with a full clip, unless you midclip BxR).

BxB = Melee and then much faster than usual, another Melee (can't be done with a full clip).

Double Shot = As it suggests. Two consecutive BR shots, so, a burst of 6 BR bullets in one go.

These weapon glitches made the gameplay a lot faster and a lot more hectic. If someone came around the corner, you could BxR them and then would be dead. It would be faster the BxR someone, than to stick them. In Halo 3, you can't do these glitches, so the best you can do is stick them, nade/BR them or Melee/BR them. It really does change the gameplay a lot.

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Here is some Pro gameplay on Midship. MLG CTF.
Here is some Pro gameplay on Heretic. MLG CTF.

Summary

Visaully, I think Heretic is MUCH prettier. It is far more detailed and looks much smoother. In terms of gameplay, I much prefer Midship and the Halo 2 style of gameplay. They are pretty much identical in Layout (few differences), but still play in a much different way. I find Heretic to be slower in gameplay, but much prettier and Midship to be fast-paced and fun.

If you have played Halo 2, do you prefer Midship or Heretic?

Tell me what you think, and please don't flame other peoples opinions.

I'd like to thank Commview (Palindrome) and CaLL mE JazZa for giving me insight and opinion on differences between the maps.

Cheers.

<3 Simon

  • 03.08.2011 9:10 PM PDT

Posted by: Gig4t3ch

Posted by: Mike Huntt
The thing is, a lot of the best default Halo Reach players and some of the biggest default Halo 3 Matchmaking warriors.


Gotta love those verb-less sentences.

Wow, nice post. It also helped me learn the callouts.... <_<

[Edited on 03.08.2011 9:15 PM PST]

  • 03.08.2011 9:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I definitely believe every wildly inflated claim ITT.

Weow kid, do you even lift?


Skype: au-simon

Posted by: VeNoIVI iZ siCk
Wow, nice post. It also helped me learn the callouts.... <_<
Thanks :) and haha. You should watch the videos. Gives you a good idea of how to play the map.

  • 03.08.2011 9:27 PM PDT

Nice post indeed. Heretic has always been my favorite map in Halo 3 because of the flow it had to it.

  • 03.08.2011 9:28 PM PDT
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I have seen this thread before, always a good read.

  • 03.08.2011 9:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I definitely believe every wildly inflated claim ITT.

Weow kid, do you even lift?


Skype: au-simon

Posted by: IISadamInsaneII
I have seen this thread before, always a good read.
Haha, yeah I posted it a few times, but as I said in the OP, it always got pushed off page one.

  • 03.08.2011 9:50 PM PDT
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tl;dr
H2 <3

  • 03.08.2011 10:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I definitely believe every wildly inflated claim ITT.

Weow kid, do you even lift?


Skype: au-simon

Posted by: BR131
tl;dr
H2 <3
This is why the thread always died.

  • 03.09.2011 1:25 AM PDT

Midship looks way better.

  • 03.09.2011 1:58 AM PDT
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Thanks for this, I haven't read it in full yet as I have to get down to the shops before they close haha. But I'll give it a read when I get the time. Heretic is one of the maps that I do the worst on. I'm not good at escapes, and it's size and enclosed spaces mean that you can basically be shot from anywhere on the map.
This map and Assembly are my worst. Also Guardian, I love 1v1s but it just seems crowded in team games.

[Edited on 03.09.2011 2:01 AM PST]

  • 03.09.2011 1:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: ghoulies113
This map and Assembly are my worst.

Lol they're probably my favorite maps.

<3 Ghost Town, Heretic & Assembly for anything that isn't snipers.

  • 03.09.2011 2:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: Commview
Posted by: ghoulies113
This map and Assembly are my worst.

Lol they're probably my favorite maps.

<3 Ghost Town, Heretic & Assembly for anything that isn't snipers.


Oh I forgot Ghost Town, I do terrible at that map too. It barely comes up though.
Basically the only maps I like are The Pit and Construct. Used to like Narrows but then I realised I suck at it.
I'm not good at teamwork, so I like maps where I can Rambo it and run around doing my own thing.

  • 03.09.2011 2:15 AM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I definitely believe every wildly inflated claim ITT.

Weow kid, do you even lift?


Skype: au-simon

Posted by: Commview
<3 Ghost Town.
Only because it's spelled without the "G" for you.

Noob.

  • 03.09.2011 2:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Mike Huntt
Posted by: Commview
<3 Ghost Town.
Only because it's spelled without the "G" for you.

Noob.

You're just beeadd at it
Ignore the fact I was host, since the whole other team were all Aussies too.

  • 03.09.2011 2:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I definitely believe every wildly inflated claim ITT.

Weow kid, do you even lift?


Skype: au-simon

Posted by: Commview
Posted by: Mike Huntt
Posted by: Commview
&lt;3 Ghost Town.
Only because it's spelled without the "G" for you.

Noob.
You're just beeadd at it
14 ASSISTS NOPE URBAD

  • 03.09.2011 2:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: jaythenerdkid
I definitely believe every wildly inflated claim ITT.

Weow kid, do you even lift?


Skype: au-simon

Read this, because I don't feel like reposting. :P

  • 04.18.2011 8:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Gig4t3ch

Posted by: Mike Huntt
The thing is, a lot of the best default Halo Reach players and some of the biggest default Halo 3 Matchmaking warriors.


Gotta love those verb-less sentences.

Im reeeding it again

  • 04.18.2011 8:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Frasier Crane
I'm not making excuses. I never claimed to be good. I have never played any colonel better than me though.


Top 1% Overall Player for H3 on Halocharts
50 Team Slayer Gen and BTB 5 Star

I remember seeing this first posted, I didn't know you were the guy who first posted this, I think I might've replied to it too. I'll reread it soon.

  • 04.18.2011 8:38 PM PDT

I much preferred midship and halo 2 in general. Sure Heretic is very pretty, but the simple look of miship works for me as well. Also I believe the floating center platform was far more prone to move when explosions rocked it. and of course, another difference is heretic felt bigger, that mixed with halo 3's slowed down game play took down it's pace quite a bit.

[Edited on 04.18.2011 9:24 PM PDT]

  • 04.18.2011 9:22 PM PDT
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Midship seems bigger to me.

  • 04.18.2011 9:32 PM PDT

This is actually the stupidest thing ever posted on B.net:

Posted by: the omega man117
Why does everyone hate Halo 2? Maybe its because its the worst game ever next to mario.

Awesome read...very informative (even for the bad H3 players like myself).

  • 04.19.2011 2:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: BR131
tl;dr
H2 <3


Are you saying Halo 3 is better or that you <3 Halo 2?

  • 04.19.2011 2:57 PM PDT
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"Shutup dude you're like 42 years old"

Good read. I agree with what you said about Midship being much faster paced, but I think that is more because H2 was faster paced than H3.

  • 04.19.2011 6:54 PM PDT

I miss Halo. Maybe Halo 4 will change that.

Edit: Lol nope

:)

  • 04.19.2011 7:43 PM PDT

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