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It's the prestige that makes the illusion.

Human-Forerunner wars
it took place 100.000 BC
that's 97.000 years before we were smart
How can Men with spears fight against Highly intelligent
creatures with mass impact weapons
to kill a forerunner as a Begin form of human being
you need 1000 humans :)
we started to civilize since 3000 BC


Human-San 'Shyuum alliance
Started 110.000 BC
What???
why would any intelligent space traveler
form an alliance with a creature (human)
that isn't as smart as they are?
if the 'Prophets' where smart, they exterminated us
to capture Earth
or made us slaves to work for them
But Nooo they thought this:
-P1: you want a cookie?
-H: hmmm cOoöckyie
-p1: Dude are you filming this?
-p2: Duuh..., why?
-p1: that's not a cookie its my lunch from yesterday (-blam!-)
-p2: awesome!! humans are funny let's become friends

How did they even talk to us??
we even didn't had our own language
why would a half naked human be interested in alien technology
when they do not even know how to farm, make GOOD clothes, Speak 1 central language,...

no offence Bungie but this is kinda strange
i hope someone can explain everything to me cause i love the Halo Universe

http://www.halopedian.com/Human-San_'Shyuum_alliance

http://www.halopedian.com/Human-Forerunner_wars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomically_modern_humans

  • 03.09.2011 7:54 AM PDT

Sangheili Major: "Brute ships. Staggered line! Shipmaster, they outnumber us, three-to-one!"

Rtas 'Vadum: "Then it is an even fight. All Cruisers, fire at will! Burn their mongrel hides!"

I think you must have missed the fact that humans were highly intelligent before the Forerunners devolved them, and before they were devolved is when the humans and San 'Shyuum held an alliance.

[Edited on 03.09.2011 7:59 AM PST]

  • 03.09.2011 7:58 AM PDT

Indeed, humanity used to be a spacefaring colony which was almost as advanced as the forerunners themselves.

We were fighting a war with the flood. THe forerunner, not realizing this, thought that when we were expanding to their territory (running from the flood) it was an act of war and obliterated us in our weakened state so hard we lost our technology and lost thousands of years of advancement.

After that the forerunner discovered the flood themselves. Turns out the humans they had just wrongly obliterated had developed a cure for the flood.

So the forerunner choosing the humans to continue their legacy was partially an apology and partially because if the flood came back the humans might be able to make a cure again. Humanity had to sacrifice 2/3 of their population to fight the flood and develop a cure, so they had the pure gall needed to combat such a menace.

[Edited on 03.09.2011 8:15 AM PST]

  • 03.09.2011 8:13 AM PDT

Ah yes, because this takes place before the halo arrays fired, that means humanity couldn't have had some sort of advanced culture beforehand right?

  • 03.09.2011 8:20 AM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

OP, did you even read Cryptum or did you just skim halopedia? You seem to entirely misunderstand the scenario.

[Edited on 03.09.2011 8:33 AM PST]

  • 03.09.2011 8:33 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

You've missed a rather important point. Before the Halos were fired 100,000 years ago, humans were as advanced as Forerunner! The human-forerunner war ended with the Forerunner annihilating us and forcing us to devolve into cavemen again.

  • 03.09.2011 8:36 AM PDT

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.

Posted by: MegaMuffin16
The human-forerunner war ended with the Forerunner annihilating us and forcing us to devolve into cavemen again.


how the ...
can a species devolve?
look i'm eating my own -blam!-!

whut?

you cannot devolve ^^

can you send a link from where you found the information?
cause i still don't get it

  • 03.09.2011 9:49 AM PDT

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.

i think i found it!
but how can you take all the technology back?
even if you destroy all the cities you will not become dumb again mate


Early civilization and regression

Humanity achieved an advanced state early in its history, achieving a high level of technological sophistication and expanding outward along the Orion Arm to escape Forerunner control thousands of years before the activation of the Halo Array. At one point, humanity formed an alliance with the San 'Shyuum and later warred against the nascent Flood. While humanity managed to drive the Flood off the galaxy for the next several millennia, the conflict led to a war with the Forerunners, a war which humanity lost. As punishment, the humans were stripped of their technology, their civilizations smashed, and the remnants exiled to their homeworld, reduced to a pre-technological state from which they would be forced to start again.

http://www.halopedian.com/Human

  • 03.09.2011 9:52 AM PDT


Posted by: DeBleserMike
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
The human-forerunner war ended with the Forerunner annihilating us and forcing us to devolve into cavemen again.


how the ...
can a species devolve?
look i'm eating my own -blam!-!

whut?

you cannot devolve ^^

can you send a link from where you found the information?
cause i still don't get it


They didn't 'devolve' naturally. I haven't even read Cryptum but I know that the Forerunners FORCED it on the humans.

  • 03.09.2011 9:53 AM PDT

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.

so does this all happens after the dinosaurs?
they devolve and start again 3000 BC?
do they have the same religions as today?

  • 03.09.2011 10:00 AM PDT

it doesn't even happen on earth genius.
Posted by: DeBleserMike
so does this all happens after the dinosaurs?
they devolve and start again 3000 BC?
do they have the same religions as today?

  • 03.09.2011 10:06 AM PDT

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.

Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
it doesn't even happen on earth genius.
Posted by: DeBleserMike
so does this all happens after the dinosaurs?
they devolve and start again 3000 BC?
do they have the same religions as today?


yes it does
Homeworld: Earth

  • 03.09.2011 10:13 AM PDT

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.

but why did the prophets betray their old allies?

  • 03.09.2011 10:17 AM PDT


Posted by: DeBleserMike
but why did the prophets betray their old allies?


All that history was completely and utterly erased from their homeworlds.

  • 03.09.2011 10:20 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: DeBleserMike
but why did the prophets betray their old allies?


All that history was completely and utterly erased from their homeworlds.


This ^

  • 03.09.2011 10:23 AM PDT


Posted by: DeBleserMike
Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
it doesn't even happen on earth genius.
Posted by: DeBleserMike
so does this all happens after the dinosaurs?
they devolve and start again 3000 BC?
do they have the same religions as today?


yes it does
Homeworld: Earth

Earth was not Humanities origional home world. It was the planet the Forerunners placed us on after devolving us.

  • 03.09.2011 10:47 AM PDT


Posted by: Astrogenesis 1

Posted by: DeBleserMike
Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
it doesn't even happen on earth genius.
Posted by: DeBleserMike
so does this all happens after the dinosaurs?
they devolve and start again 3000 BC?
do they have the same religions as today?


yes it does
Homeworld: Earth

Earth was not Humanities origional home world. It was the planet the Forerunners placed us on after devolving us.


Actually I think it was stated that Erde-Tyrene, aka Earth, was the original homeworld of Humanity in Cryptum.

  • 03.09.2011 11:11 AM PDT


Posted by: DeBleserMike
Human-Forerunner wars
it took place 100.000 BC
that's 97.000 years before we were smart
How can Men with spears fight against Highly intelligent
creatures with mass impact weapons
to kill a forerunner as a Begin form of human being
you need 1000 humans :)
we started to civilize since 3000 BC


Human-San 'Shyuum alliance
Started 110.000 BC
What???
why would any intelligent space traveler
form an alliance with a creature (human)
that isn't as smart as they are?
if the 'Prophets' where smart, they exterminated us
to capture Earth
or made us slaves to work for them
But Nooo they thought this:
-P1: you want a cookie?
-H: hmmm cOoöckyie
-p1: Dude are you filming this?
-p2: Duuh..., why?
-p1: that's not a cookie its my lunch from yesterday (-blam!-)
-p2: awesome!! humans are funny let's become friends

How did they even talk to us??
we even didn't had our own language
why would a half naked human be interested in alien technology
when they do not even know how to farm, make GOOD clothes, Speak 1 central language,...

no offence Bungie but this is kinda strange
i hope someone can explain everything to me cause i love the Halo Universe

http://www.halopedian.com/Human-San_'Shyuum_alliance

http://www.halopedian.com/Human-Forerunner_wars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomically_modern_humans


Are you interpreting details and events from Halo according to the timing presented in the Theory of Evolution? 'Cause if you are, then you are being silly interpreting Halo through it, Halo does not really follow any timeline but its own, sure some stuff may coincide or connect, but ultimately it doesn't have to follow Evolution's timeline. Because we don't really know anything with certainty about our past, so the writers of Halo can make up whatever -blam!- they want about early Human history as long as it does not conflict with other Halo lore.

  • 03.09.2011 11:16 AM PDT
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  • 03.09.2011 11:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: draim
Just read the damn book.


This.

Too many people are making baseless complaints because they've either not read the book or just not paid any bloody attention to it.

  • 03.09.2011 11:55 AM PDT

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yet.

Read first, ask later.

  • 03.09.2011 12:47 PM PDT
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Did you even read Greg Bear's book? I find that impossible if you're serious about this post.

  • 03.09.2011 12:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: DeBleserMike
Posted by: xZcNx MarcWagz
it doesn't even happen on earth genius.
Posted by: DeBleserMike
so does this all happens after the dinosaurs?
they devolve and start again 3000 BC?
do they have the same religions as today?


yes it does
Homeworld: Earth
It didn't happen on Earth. Humans had a different "home-world" at that time.

  • 03.09.2011 12:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: The Highwayman48
It didn't happen on Earth. Humans had a different "home-world" at that time.


Erde-Tyrene IS Earth. Cryptum states that Earth was our original home world.

Also, read the damn book. It makes perfect sense once you've read it.

  • 03.09.2011 1:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Are you interpreting details and events from Halo according to the timing presented in the Theory of Evolution?


That's exactly what he's doing. It all makes sense in the book. Shocking when I read it, but it makes sense.

  • 03.09.2011 2:33 PM PDT

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