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Subject: Were there any canon changes in Reach that you liked?


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Recovery 25
There were no changes to the canon. Here is a time line for everything http://www.halopedian.com/Fall_Of_Reach. I kind of get tired of people thinking Reach just completely made The Fall of Reach non-canon because they can't look up the information. Also in the Legendary edition commentary Bungie even says that if you look up the dates that everything fits together. Anyways I did like that they had Keyes in the game.


Not true.

Books state
Reach was attacked and fell in 1 day, August 30th, 2552

Games state
Reach was attacked in July 24th, and was finished off on August 30th, 2552.

This just makes NO sense.


Well, Reach wasn't attacked until LNOS...

  • 03.10.2011 4:48 PM PDT
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I was surprised to find out Spartan-IIIs can wear MJOLNIR. That said, if Halo: Reach hadn't been made and released, I would have never really known how awesome and important Spartan-III's are/were.

Not only that, but they made the military hub not fall in an hour after supposedly the Covenant ''first time'' arrived at the system with only running blindly into the SMACs that is protected by hundreds of ships without some sort of strategy.

In other words, Halo: Reach is more believable to me, and fortunately for me, I can see both the novels and the game fit together like a puzzle.

  • 03.10.2011 4:52 PM PDT
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I am still really confused by Halo Reach's storyline concerning Cortana and the Pillar of Autumn. If I hadn't read The Fall of Reach first, it would all make sense to me, but it doesn't.

  • 03.10.2011 4:55 PM PDT

Posted by: Recovery 25
Complete bull. In the book the unsc was unaware that reach was being attacked until the 30th. On reach we see a hefty portion of the planet already on fire by august 15th. Dot even said 60% of the fleet was en route to reach as of august 14th, whereas int he book they were not gathering to defend until the 30th, after fermion first detected the fleet. Do you think that the entire fleet EXCEPT the pillar of autumn and all the spartan-IIs were aware that reach was being attacked? I mean, they only constitute one of their best ships and the best ground force in the entire UNSC. They aren't important or anything. Emile also noted that "gauntlet, red and echo teams are assigned to civilian evac ops" on what...the 27th? 3 days before the events of the book. Bungie knows who red team is, they wouldnt name a different group of spartans red team, that group was the spartan-IIs that you say did not join the fight until the 30th because you don't actually think.

You are daft if you think that an entire fleet attacking reach went unnoticed until the 30th. You people say things line up but you don't use a single bit of brain power to actually think about it. Lining up does not equal makes sense.

The book was retconned. The events of the book happened on august 15th and were extended over a two week period, ending on the 30th. The events before august 15th were probably the UNSC trying to destroy the attacking forces as subtly as possible in the hopes that the covenant wouldn't summon an entire fleet. They'd rather fight off one ship than an entire fleet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWAaycIkpnU&feature=relate d From 46 seconds to about a minute twenty. Suck it you going to argue with Bungie.


Except it doesnt fit perfectly. THe only part that fits is that reach actually falls on the 30th.

You can actually check it out yourself and see that bungie contradicts themselves, or just be a complete ignorant fool of a moron, like you are.

You could actually try to argue against me, or just state where bungie contradicts themselves. Bungie says this, but they also actually did this in game. They contradict themselves, but you are too ignorant to see it.

[Edited on 03.10.2011 4:59 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2011 4:57 PM PDT

Let's be honest, it could be a lot worse.

Acually acording to Halsey's diary in the limmited eddition of Halo Reach she says that the Pillar of Autumn is being refitted and refuelled so it makes sence for it to be there. Also the ship is bad ass.

  • 03.10.2011 5:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Fly Boy 2113
Acually acording to Halsey's diary in the limmited eddition of Halo Reach she says that the Pillar of Autumn is being refitted and refuelled so it makes sence for it to be there. Also the ship is bad ass.
But that means that the PoA was never involved in a space battle, never dropped the Spartan II's, never sent John, James, and Linda to destroy the nav data.

It also makes no sense to refit a spacecraft on the ground, where you have to fight gravity at every step. This is why shipyards are always in space.

  • 03.10.2011 5:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Fly Boy 2113
Acually acording to Halsey's diary in the limmited eddition of Halo Reach she says that the Pillar of Autumn is being refitted and refuelled so it makes sence for it to be there. Also the ship is bad ass.


The Pillar was refitted in orbit. It can't land on the ground, it's not rated for atmosphere. Fall of Reach stated it was built in space, and it got refitted in space.

It being on the ground is a direct contradiction.

  • 03.10.2011 5:10 PM PDT


Posted by: manwith
I was surprised to find out Spartan-IIIs can wear MJOLNIR. That said, if Halo: Reach hadn't been made and released, I would have never really known how awesome and important Spartan-III's are/were.

Not only that, but they made the military hub not fall in an hour after supposedly the Covenant ''first time'' arrived at the system with only running blindly into the SMACs that is protected by hundreds of ships without some sort of strategy.

In other words, Halo: Reach is more believable to me, and fortunately for me, I can see both the novels and the game fit together like a puzzle.


They could, but they weren't given MJOlNIR. Sucks because their 'suicide' missions would have had a much different outcome if they had.

Yep, I do like it, hell the 30th is when the massive fleet the book mentions arrives, and that spells the downfall of the defenses.

  • 03.10.2011 5:10 PM PDT

"You were weak... and gods must be strong."

Really, the canon wasn't damaged much too bad at all.

You just have to infer a few things and have a comprehensive understanding of the Haloverse both before and after the game was released.

I know a LOT of people boo Halopedian, but since I don't want to waste a lot of time, look at their timeline for the Battle of Reach- they have specific dates that help clear up a lot of what APPEARS to be major discrepancies.


The only major problems by my standards are probably the lack of ships and how the Pillar of Autumn making one final rest stop. I've kinda thought out a way for it to be theoretically possible, but only the future canon will prove it right or wrong.

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Noble Team is in no way non-canon. If you ever read Halsey's Journal (limited or legendary edition), you'd know that she had her suspiscions about these spartans, but no confirmation. She gets even more curious and heavily involved with these mystery soldiers whens he finds Ackerson's files.

That said, Noble Team members were, like the Headhunter squads, yanked from their main respective companies. So their being alive is perfectly accountable.

  • 03.10.2011 5:17 PM PDT

"You were weak... and gods must be strong."

Also, S-IIIs in MJIOLNIR: a few things here.

1) The armor is pretty darned expensive to produce. Equipping 300-some spartans would drive somebody bankrupt.

2) Noble Team is stated to be the genetically elite. Most of these S-IIIs have gene pools close to the S-II selection criteria, thus making them 'cream of the crop'.

  • 03.10.2011 5:19 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

I will never, ever, accept the pillar landing on Reach as canon. It makes no damn sense at all.

>Covenant show up on the 30th
>The pillar is LEAVING THE SYSTEM TO GO ON THEIR MISSION.
>Turn around to defend Reach(which was already under attack in the game so...)
>DROP OFF THE SPARTANS IN A SINGLE PELICAN DOWN TO THE PLANET WHICH IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND COST 4 SPARTANS THEIR LIVES.
>Land on the planet right after you just sent all of your spartans down in a vessel that could be shot down much easier than the autumn.

Do you all honestly think Keyes is that stupid?

[Edited on 03.10.2011 5:31 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2011 5:21 PM PDT

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Keys looks damn fine in Reach. I'd give birth to Miranda to have a piece of him.

I'm serious. Best canon change ever.

The books were great and the game is great. And although they clash, they both work fine. Side with which ever one you like most, not which one is more canon.

[Edited on 03.10.2011 5:22 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2011 5:21 PM PDT

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Idiot can be a hard language to learn, but once you get it down, everything becomes so clear! The whole world will make sense to you.

Posted by: privet caboose
I will never, ever, accept the pillar landing on Reach as canon. It makes no damn sense at all.

>Covenant show up on the 30th
>The pillar is LEAVING THE SYSTEM TO GO ON THEIR MISSION.
>Turn around to defend Reach(which was already under attack in the game so...)
>DROP OFF THE SPARTANS IN A SINGLE PELICAN DOWN TO THE PLANET WHICH IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND COST 4 SPARTANS THEIR LIVES.
>Land on the planet right after you just sent all of your spartans down in a vessel that could be show down much easier than the autumn.

Do you all honestly think Keyes is that stupid?

Keyes does whatever the -blam!- he wants.

  • 03.10.2011 5:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
I will never, ever, accept the pillar landing on Reach as canon. It makes no damn sense at all.

>Covenant show up on the 30th
>The pillar is LEAVING THE SYSTEM TO GO ON THEIR MISSION.
>Turn around to defend Reach(which was already under attack in the game so...)
>DROP OFF THE SPARTANS IN A SINGLE PELICAN DOWN TO THE PLANET WHICH IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND COST 4 SPARTANS THEIR LIVES.
>Land on the planet right after you just sent all of your spartans down in a vessel that could be show down much easier than the autumn.

Do you all honestly think Keyes is that stupid?


Eh, I agree to some effect there. There are a few blanks that we /may/ be able to infer that we simply don't know.

For example: Keyes got an emergency hail AFTER dropping off the Spartans to collect the "package". On top of that, I don't know that Viery was where the S-IIs were supposed to go. They could've been deployed elsewhere planetside, it'd be a bad idea to go drop them off there THEN head to your destination potentialy halfway around the planet.

  • 03.10.2011 5:26 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Gamma 46

Posted by: privet caboose
I will never, ever, accept the pillar landing on Reach as canon. It makes no damn sense at all.

>Covenant show up on the 30th
>The pillar is LEAVING THE SYSTEM TO GO ON THEIR MISSION.
>Turn around to defend Reach(which was already under attack in the game so...)
>DROP OFF THE SPARTANS IN A SINGLE PELICAN DOWN TO THE PLANET WHICH IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND COST 4 SPARTANS THEIR LIVES.
>Land on the planet right after you just sent all of your spartans down in a vessel that could be show down much easier than the autumn.

Do you all honestly think Keyes is that stupid?


Eh, I agree to some effect there. There are a few blanks that we /may/ be able to infer that we simply don't know.

For example: Keyes got an emergency hail AFTER dropping off the Spartans to collect the "package". On top of that, I don't know that Viery was where the S-IIs were supposed to go. They could've been deployed elsewhere planetside, it'd be a bad idea to go drop them off there THEN head to your destination potentialy halfway around the planet.


They were leaving the planet to go on RED FLAG. That Cortana fragment didn't make a difference. Suddenly, the entire mission is aborted to go land the Pillar on the Planet, which will certain be extremely risky, just for something they didn't even need for their main mission?

Why deploy the Spartans from SPACE, when you're about to land anyway. It'd be much safer to fly in a pelican while on the planet, rather than from space where 700+ Covenant ships are.

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Posted by: Gamma 46

Posted by: privet caboose
I will never, ever, accept the pillar landing on Reach as canon. It makes no damn sense at all.

>Covenant show up on the 30th
>The pillar is LEAVING THE SYSTEM TO GO ON THEIR MISSION.
>Turn around to defend Reach(which was already under attack in the game so...)
>DROP OFF THE SPARTANS IN A SINGLE PELICAN DOWN TO THE PLANET WHICH IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND COST 4 SPARTANS THEIR LIVES.
>Land on the planet right after you just sent all of your spartans down in a vessel that could be show down much easier than the autumn.

Do you all honestly think Keyes is that stupid?


Eh, I agree to some effect there. There are a few blanks that we /may/ be able to infer that we simply don't know.

For example: Keyes got an emergency hail AFTER dropping off the Spartans to collect the "package". On top of that, I don't know that Viery was where the S-IIs were supposed to go. They could've been deployed elsewhere planetside, it'd be a bad idea to go drop them off there THEN head to your destination potentialy halfway around the planet.


They were leaving the planet to go on RED FLAG. That Cortana fragment didn't make a difference. Suddenly, the entire mission is aborted to go land the Pillar on the Planet, which will certain be extremely risky, just for something they didn't even need for their main mission?

Why deploy the Spartans from SPACE, when you're about to land anyway. It'd be much safer to fly in a pelican while on the planet, rather than from space where 700+ Covenant ships are.


300 ships, and I consider Reach an alternate reality, if not canon. Bungie MAKES THE CANON!

  • 03.10.2011 5:33 PM PDT

I think what it boils down to is this "Bungie and 343 have far more knowledge then ANY of us concerning halo canon and details, including background information we haven't seen yet."

To a random person point A and point B might have no connection, but in reality they do.

  • 03.10.2011 5:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gamma 46

Posted by: privet caboose
I will never, ever, accept the pillar landing on Reach as canon. It makes no damn sense at all.

>Covenant show up on the 30th
>The pillar is LEAVING THE SYSTEM TO GO ON THEIR MISSION.
>Turn around to defend Reach(which was already under attack in the game so...)
>DROP OFF THE SPARTANS IN A SINGLE PELICAN DOWN TO THE PLANET WHICH IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND COST 4 SPARTANS THEIR LIVES.
>Land on the planet right after you just sent all of your spartans down in a vessel that could be show down much easier than the autumn.

Do you all honestly think Keyes is that stupid?


Eh, I agree to some effect there. There are a few blanks that we /may/ be able to infer that we simply don't know.

For example: Keyes got an emergency hail AFTER dropping off the Spartans to collect the "package". On top of that, I don't know that Viery was where the S-IIs were supposed to go. They could've been deployed elsewhere planetside, it'd be a bad idea to go drop them off there THEN head to your destination potentialy halfway around the planet.


He got an emergency hail after he had already dropped the Spartans.

Nah, forget the package, know the future beforehand before you make any decisions and head to Installation 04 without the package.

  • 03.10.2011 5:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: manwith
Posted by: Gamma 46

Posted by: privet caboose
I will never, ever, accept the pillar landing on Reach as canon. It makes no damn sense at all.

>Covenant show up on the 30th
>The pillar is LEAVING THE SYSTEM TO GO ON THEIR MISSION.
>Turn around to defend Reach(which was already under attack in the game so...)
>DROP OFF THE SPARTANS IN A SINGLE PELICAN DOWN TO THE PLANET WHICH IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND COST 4 SPARTANS THEIR LIVES.
>Land on the planet right after you just sent all of your spartans down in a vessel that could be show down much easier than the autumn.

Do you all honestly think Keyes is that stupid?


Eh, I agree to some effect there. There are a few blanks that we /may/ be able to infer that we simply don't know.

For example: Keyes got an emergency hail AFTER dropping off the Spartans to collect the "package". On top of that, I don't know that Viery was where the S-IIs were supposed to go. They could've been deployed elsewhere planetside, it'd be a bad idea to go drop them off there THEN head to your destination potentialy halfway around the planet.


He got an emergency hail after he had already dropped the Spartans.

Nah, forget the package, know the future beforehand before you make any decisions and head to Installation 04 without the package.


Why would Keyes return to Reach in the first place.

In the novel, he returns because the huge fleet just showed up. In the game, it's already there. Reach has been invaded for weeks. Why scrap the mission while you're leaving. Then, split up your spartans. Send them all to their deaths. Then pick up something completely insignificant to your original mission, while putting your entire ships crew at risk by LANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE DURING AN INVASION AND SHIPS GLASSING THE PLANET.

You cannot justify it. It does not add up.

  • 03.10.2011 5:37 PM PDT

the journal and halopedia are not good ways to support that it dosnt break canon. the journal was made with reach so it basically is apart of it so they put in things to try to fix the numerous canon breaks. halopedia was changed to fit it because technically game>books (which is lame).

  • 03.10.2011 5:37 PM PDT


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Posted by: Recovery 25
Complete bull. In the book the unsc was unaware that reach was being attacked until the 30th. On reach we see a hefty portion of the planet already on fire by august 15th. Dot even said 60% of the fleet was en route to reach as of august 14th, whereas int he book they were not gathering to defend until the 30th, after fermion first detected the fleet. Do you think that the entire fleet EXCEPT the pillar of autumn and all the spartan-IIs were aware that reach was being attacked? I mean, they only constitute one of their best ships and the best ground force in the entire UNSC. They aren't important or anything. Emile also noted that "gauntlet, red and echo teams are assigned to civilian evac ops" on what...the 27th? 3 days before the events of the book. Bungie knows who red team is, they wouldnt name a different group of spartans red team, that group was the spartan-IIs that you say did not join the fight until the 30th because you don't actually think.

You are daft if you think that an entire fleet attacking reach went unnoticed until the 30th. You people say things line up but you don't use a single bit of brain power to actually think about it. Lining up does not equal makes sense.

The book was retconned. The events of the book happened on august 15th and were extended over a two week period, ending on the 30th. The events before august 15th were probably the UNSC trying to destroy the attacking forces as subtly as possible in the hopes that the covenant wouldn't summon an entire fleet. They'd rather fight off one ship than an entire fleet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWAaycIkpnU&feature=relate d From 46 seconds to about a minute twenty. Suck it you going to argue with Bungie.


Except it doesnt fit perfectly. THe only part that fits is that reach actually falls on the 30th.

You can actually check it out yourself and see that bungie contradicts themselves, or just be a complete ignorant fool of a moron, like you are.

You could actually try to argue against me, or just state where bungie contradicts themselves. Bungie says this, but they also actually did this in game. They contradict themselves, but you are too ignorant to see it.

Your too stupid to admit when your wrong and too ignorant or stupid to realize that it does fit together.

  • 03.10.2011 5:38 PM PDT


Posted by: Recovery 25

Your too stupid to admit when your wrong and too ignorant or stupid to realize that it does fit together.

really?

  • 03.10.2011 5:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: monkDAN
Posted by: Recovery 25
Your too stupid to admit when your wrong and too ignorant or stupid to realize that it does fit together.

really?
Now, now. That's not very nice of Recovery here.

This isn't a thread about if Reach broke canon. It's if there's something you liked about it.

I want to live in a world where we don't fight over canon... Think of the children!

  • 03.10.2011 5:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: cortana 5
I want to live in a world where we don't fight over canon... Think of the children!


Ah, 07. Before Everyone started spouting, "Halo Wars isn't canon." "Legends isn't canon." "Cryptum isn't canon."

  • 03.10.2011 5:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: monkDAN
Posted by: Recovery 25
Your too stupid to admit when your wrong and too ignorant or stupid to realize that it does fit together.

really?
Now, now. That's not very nice of Recovery here.

This isn't a thread about if Reach broke canon. It's if there's something you liked about it.

I want to live in a world where we don't fight over canon... Think of the children!


Children are the future of this world, that's why we must make them tough and insensitive....It's for the greater good.

  • 03.10.2011 5:57 PM PDT