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Subject: Were there any canon changes in Reach that you liked?

Yes and no:

Pillar of Autumn level was amazing. If the book had actually mentioned and stressed the importance of the deliverance of Cortana's 2nd half, and stated that a Spartan team was delivering the half while the POA was docked on Reach, I'd be fine with it. But if the POA ever really did dock in the book, it wasn't stressed as anything of much importance. "Oh, it's only the single last hope of hummanity's survival other than chief that we're going to collect. No big deal."
Yes. Very big deal. The level was my favorite, and showed the importance of Cortana, but threw me off canon-wise. She was just a unique AI in the book. The whole split was never mentioned. I feel like the game changed alot about Reach. I mean, what about chief's ground team? Where were they? Shouldn't there have been alot more about the S2s, since the whole Fall of Reach book REVOLVES AROUND THEM? That said, they weren't on Reach originally for civilian protection. They were protecting the generators for those huge orbital Super MAC cannons. And where in the world were the guns?! That super carrier from the LNoS should have been blown to bits by them. The book stated that the smaller MACs took multiple shots to take down a covi ship, but the super MACs were different. One shot should have blown that ship out of orbit! And one super carrier with tiny frigates has Reach already burining like a volcano before the actual fleet of covies arrives? WTFrench toast!! :( MAC guns! Even in those overwhelming odds in the book, when practically the LARGEST fleet was attacking, the MACS could still hold off a huge invading army. So why does Reach start to fall at the hands of ONE stupid carrier? That's just sad. The "Military Stronghold" of the UNSC? That's hilarious. Earth had more ships attacking in Halo2 from orbit in its beginning(and was holding off well) than that one super carrier that was burning Reach to the ground. Makes perfect sense.
I admit though, if it fit better with the other canon-accurate games and books, it might be the best game. But I just got so frustrated when I learned that S3s were on Reach(NEVER mentioned in the book), we wouldn't see chief except in his cryo tube( NOT fighting and saving Nobel 6s life by the way: Totally not chief's character), and saw practiaclly no Super MAC cannons except for the one at the end of the game(which I admit was an awesome touch).
The story cannon was way too weird to fit right for me, but ignoring some of the things I pointed out, the game was amazing. Watching the PoA take off was like...idk..something out of an epic movie. Holding off the invading army in Lone Wolf was amazing too. So many things made this game awesome, and I'm just being picky with my critiques. Overall, a great game. And even if the PoA on Reach made little sense to the book, it was amazing. That was a change in canon I really enjoyed. Good job video game making community. You gave the Halo franchise a great prequel endning. :D

  • 03.10.2011 6:01 PM PDT

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I really didnt like all the changes in canon. Thats just me :/

I prefer to go by whats issued first, and the book was out a looooong time ago, when the first Halo game was made. I dont like how Bungie changed the story just to make it a more fun game.

To be honest, the books themselves started to not follow canon anymore anyway. Remember First Strike? That was supposed to be humanitys first contact with Brutes. But that all changed after Contact: Harvest.


To be honest, its all beyond frustrating if you think about it too much. Its just a game, its just a story. Yes, it would have been better if everything was correct and in order with no deviations, but now we just have to deal with it.

  • 03.10.2011 6:09 PM PDT


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Posted by: monkDAN
Posted by: Recovery 25
Your too stupid to admit when your wrong and too ignorant or stupid to realize that it does fit together.

really?
Now, now. That's not very nice of Recovery here.

This isn't a thread about if Reach broke canon. It's if there's something you liked about it.

I want to live in a world where we don't fight over canon... Think of the children!


I didn't start it! If you would go back and look all I did was try to let everyone know that the canon it's broken. Then I actually contributed to this thread by saying that I liked that Keyes was in the game. That's it I didn't come in here saying stuff like you are all morons and I'm better than you because I know that the canon isn't broken and not providing proof for my statement. What happened that -blam!- called me an ignorant moron for not obviously see that the canon is broken and he didn't even give a reason why. He was just like your an idiot and I don't have to prove that your wrong. All he had to do was say "I think your wrong because of this, this and this." I would have still put up the link to the video, but I wouldn't have been an -blam!- about it because I wouldn't have been pissed off. I would have said something like "Well Bungie in this commentary for the game say that the canon fits." If you'll notice even after I put the link to the video he was still an -blam!- and still didn't give a reason why he was right. I mean seriously how can you argue with the fact that the canon is wrong when there is proof of the words coming out of the developers mouths that the canon isn't broken.

  • 03.10.2011 6:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Do you all honestly think Keyes is that stupid?

*The Keyes Loop
*Volunteering to land the Pillar of Autumn on Halo
*Crashing the Autumn on Halo
*Taking his officers on an expedition of Halo barely armed
*Taking a chance that the Covenant would take him prisoner

Yes, I would think Keyes has a risky streak.

  • 03.10.2011 6:23 PM PDT

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I didn't really like many of the canon changes in Reach. The "experimental military tech" story was plausible, I felt, and reminded me of Ghost from Halo: Legends, but still felt cheap to me. Also, what the hell was with the "Hushed Casket" being Master Chief's only appearance? He fought on Reach, determined to die with the rest of the SPARTANs (speaking of which, the SPARTAN III's make no sense whatsoever. Only the SPARTAN II's were recalled to Reach when the Covenant attacked, in order to plan a coordinated attack on a Covenant ship. If there had been SPARTAN III's, they would not have been on Reach; they would have been elsewhere, wrecking on the Covenant). If I didn't get to replay his memories (the game as a flashback of the Chief's would have been a good way to see how 117's doing on his new planet), then he could have at least appeared in the game like Soap MacTavish from MW2: as a support character who demolishes all in his path. Also, I don't buy the end story of Noble at all. You're telling me that a team of highly trained SPARTAN's, who could have done literally anything to save the planet, who would have all willingly died to destroy as many Covenant ships as possible and create a probable major victory for the UNSC had they done so, instead sacrificed themselves to save a blue b---- who spends the rest of the games whining when the chief gets hit, telling him the obvious, and finally getting kidnapped and revealing Earth's location to the Covenant, then begs to be rescued by the guy who she constantly pestered? For crying out loud, O'Malley from RvB was more useful than that; at least he could turn who ever he was in into an evil mastermind. In fact, any of the Project Freelancer AI's were more useful than Cortana. Even Serina from Wars, who isn't supposed to be as smart as Cortana, is able to at least give the player head's up about things that affect the battle that they don't know about yet. God, they broke the canon with this one. At least the Autumn looks as good as ever, and Keyes will always have my respect (speaking of which, where was Sgt. Johnson?) for his sense of military duty in the worst of situations.

[Edited on 03.10.2011 6:42 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2011 6:31 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: G Man 13able
I didn't really like many of the canon changes in Reach. The "experimental military tech" story was plausible, I felt, and reminded me of Ghost from Halo: Legends, but still felt cheap to me. Also, what the hell was with the "Hushed Casket" being Master Chief's only appearance? He fought on Reach, determined to die with the rest of the SPARTANs (speaking of which, the SPARTAN III's make no sense whatsoever. Only the SPARTAN II's were recalled to Reach when the Covenant attacked, in order to plan a coordinated attack on a Covenant ship. If there had been SPARTAN III's, they would not have been on Reach; they would have been elsewhere, wrecking on the Covenant). If I didn't get to replay his memories (the game as a flashback of the Chief's would have been a good way to see how 117's doing on his new planet), then he could have at least appeared in the game like Soap MacTavish from MW2: as a support character who demolishes all in his path. Overall, they really broke the canon with this game.

Chief never really fought on the ground. And honestly, if you actually take the time to think, the canon still makes sense.

  • 03.10.2011 6:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: BK Burger Boy
I'm going to be completely honest, when I heard "UNSC Cruiser Pillar of Autumn is awaiting your arrival," I got giddy as hell. Seeing my Favorite Halo character again after 10 years also helped me forgive the fact that the Pillar of Autumn was chilling on Reach for no apparent reason.


This, It shocked me a ton.
Also, with Halsey not dieing.

  • 03.10.2011 6:38 PM PDT
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Halsey didn't die in the books, why should she die now?

Also, to those of you saying Reach broke canon, the book authors just used what Bungie had thought of at the time, and because Bungie(and 343) make the canon, they can -blam!- with it all they want and it will become canon.

  • 03.10.2011 6:46 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Caaaarrrl
Also, to those of you saying Reach broke canon, the book authors just used what Bungie had thought of at the time, and because Bungie(and 343) make the canon, they can -blam!- with it all they want and it will become canon.


No.

  • 03.10.2011 6:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Recovery 25

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Posted by: Recovery 25
Complete bull. In the book the unsc was unaware that reach was being attacked until the 30th. On reach we see a hefty portion of the planet already on fire by august 15th. Dot even said 60% of the fleet was en route to reach as of august 14th, whereas int he book they were not gathering to defend until the 30th, after fermion first detected the fleet. Do you think that the entire fleet EXCEPT the pillar of autumn and all the spartan-IIs were aware that reach was being attacked? I mean, they only constitute one of their best ships and the best ground force in the entire UNSC. They aren't important or anything. Emile also noted that "gauntlet, red and echo teams are assigned to civilian evac ops" on what...the 27th? 3 days before the events of the book. Bungie knows who red team is, they wouldnt name a different group of spartans red team, that group was the spartan-IIs that you say did not join the fight until the 30th because you don't actually think.

You are daft if you think that an entire fleet attacking reach went unnoticed until the 30th. You people say things line up but you don't use a single bit of brain power to actually think about it. Lining up does not equal makes sense.

The book was retconned. The events of the book happened on august 15th and were extended over a two week period, ending on the 30th. The events before august 15th were probably the UNSC trying to destroy the attacking forces as subtly as possible in the hopes that the covenant wouldn't summon an entire fleet. They'd rather fight off one ship than an entire fleet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWAaycIkpnU&feature=relate d From 46 seconds to about a minute twenty. Suck it you going to argue with Bungie.


Except it doesnt fit perfectly. THe only part that fits is that reach actually falls on the 30th.

You can actually check it out yourself and see that bungie contradicts themselves, or just be a complete ignorant fool of a moron, like you are.

You could actually try to argue against me, or just state where bungie contradicts themselves. Bungie says this, but they also actually did this in game. They contradict themselves, but you are too ignorant to see it.

Your too stupid to admit when your wrong and too ignorant or stupid to realize that it does fit together.


THat's not an argument. You dont have an actual argument, you just keep posting contradictary statements. You saying the same thing I just basically proved wrong does not help you int he least.

You are wrong and you have done absolutely nothing to show me otherwise.

[Edited on 03.10.2011 6:51 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2011 6:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Caaaarrrl
Also, to those of you saying Reach broke canon, the book authors just used what Bungie had thought of at the time, and because Bungie(and 343) make the canon, they can -blam!- with it all they want and it will become canon.


No.


Yes.

  • 03.10.2011 6:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Caaaarrrl

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Caaaarrrl
Also, to those of you saying Reach broke canon, the book authors just used what Bungie had thought of at the time, and because Bungie(and 343) make the canon, they can -blam!- with it all they want and it will become canon.


No.


Yes.

no
for example, who ever controls the LOTR universe right now decides to make smeagle die in the 2nd book and have merry die after killing the nazgul in return of the king
that person then reships all of tolkien's books
would you find THAT acceptable? hmm? cause technically that person owns the series
1.bungie does not have the right to -blam!- up canon and rechange it to THIS much of an extent

2. a book/ novel is a higher regarded peice of literature than a VIDEO GAME
the game canon>book canon is utter heresy
3. the cash cow goes moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • 03.10.2011 7:05 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: MC LOL88

Posted by: Caaaarrrl

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Caaaarrrl
Also, to those of you saying Reach broke canon, the book authors just used what Bungie had thought of at the time, and because Bungie(and 343) make the canon, they can -blam!- with it all they want and it will become canon.


No.


Yes.

no
for example, who ever controls the LOTR universe right now decides to make smeagle die in the 2nd book and have merry die after killing the nazgul in return of the king
that person then reships all of tolkien's books
would you find THAT acceptable? hmm? cause technically that person owns the series
1.bungie does not have the right to -blam!- up canon and rechange it to THIS much of an extent

2. a book/ novel is a higher regarded peice of literature than a VIDEO GAME
the game canon>book canon is utter heresy
3. the cash cow goes moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

1. Halo is not on the same caliber of the Lord of the Rings. Nobody is going to change LotR's story. Halo's story can be changed and should.

2. They easily coexist.

3. I always love it when people say their favorite franchise is becoming a cash cow when THEIR desires aren't pleased. But pray tell how Bungie making adjustments to outdated story plots is them making Halo a cash cow?

  • 03.10.2011 7:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
First reaction to hearing Captain Keyes: "LORD YES, KEYES!"
Second reaction: "WAIT, WTF?!"
Third reaction: "WHO CARE'S IT'S MOTHER-FRIGGIN' KEYES!"
Final reaction: "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGEEEEEEE" ;
Exactly this, but I'm still on the third reaction.

  • 03.10.2011 7:15 PM PDT

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None, none at all.

The battle taking over a month meant that ONI would have never had such a quick frantic struggle to erase the data. Meaning that Gamma station would have never had data still in it's Prowler bay.

Meaning Master Chief would have never had to watch James and Linda die. This also means the Pillar of Autumn would never have had to escape so quickly.

Essentially, if Halo Reach's canon is true, then the rest of the trilogy never happened. MC wouldn't have been alone on Halo...hell Cortana would have never FOUND Halo.

  • 03.10.2011 7:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MC LOL88

Posted by: Caaaarrrl

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Caaaarrrl
Also, to those of you saying Reach broke canon, the book authors just used what Bungie had thought of at the time, and because Bungie(and 343) make the canon, they can -blam!- with it all they want and it will become canon.


No.


Yes.

no
for example, who ever controls the LOTR universe right now decides to make smeagle die in the 2nd book and have merry die after killing the nazgul in return of the king
that person then reships all of tolkien's books
would you find THAT acceptable? hmm? cause technically that person owns the series
1.bungie does not have the right to -blam!- up canon and rechange it to THIS much of an extent

2. a book/ novel is a higher regarded peice of literature than a VIDEO GAME
the game canon>book canon is utter heresy
3. the cash cow goes moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

1. Halo is not on the same caliber of the Lord of the Rings. Nobody is going to change LotR's story. Halo's story can be changed and should.

2. They easily coexist.

3. I always love it when people say their favorite franchise is becoming a cash cow when THEIR desires aren't pleased. But pray tell how Bungie making adjustments to outdated story plots is them making Halo a cash cow?

1. your arguement is not compelling, why cant it be?

2.mind explaining how

3.who said it was my favorite franchise? 2nd i had no desires for this game, i only expected bungie to make a good campaign like they usualy do, which they seemed to failed in doing. 3rd how is the story "outdated", funny your arguement for LOTR contradicts itself with that statement
4th. i worship the story, not the creator... when the creator makes the whole story irrelevant and impossible because they wanted to make a -blam!- quality campaign, i get mad, because the story has been destroyed.

[Edited on 03.10.2011 7:22 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2011 7:20 PM PDT

THat's not an argument. You dont have an actual argument, you just keep posting contradictary statements. You saying the same thing I just basically proved wrong does not help you int he least.

You are wrong and you have done absolutely nothing to show me otherwise.

You have done nothing to prove that your right. All you keep saying is that I'm wrong. WOW the best come back ever I had no idea that stating this automatically made you right. Okay then your wrong. Also you forget the fact there is the video that has the statement that your arguement is wrong coming from the developers. You can act like the video doesn't exist but it does and it was on Waypoint. Stop trolling.

  • 03.10.2011 7:22 PM PDT

2. a book/ novel is a higher regarded peice of literature than a VIDEO GAME
the game canon>book canon is utter heresy


LOVE this line. Bungie's decision on Canon (which came about a while back) is heresy? Concerning the universe THEY created?

  • 03.10.2011 7:22 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: MC LOL88
1. your arguement is not compelling, why cant it be?

2.mind explaining how

3.who said it was my favorite franchise? 2nd i had no desires for this game, i only expected bungie to make a good campaign like they usualy do, which they seemed to failed in doing. 3rd how is the story "outdated", funny your arguement for LOTR contradicts itself with that statement
4th. i worship the story, not the creator... when the creator makes the whole story irrelevant and impossible because they wanted to make a -blam!- quality campaign, i get mad, because the story has been destroyed.

1. The Lord of the Rings is one of the definitive fantasy epics of the 20th century. Halo isn't even the pinnacle of sci-fi. As such, no self-respecting author would think of changing the story, even the games either follow the main story or focus on areas not explored by Tolkien. Halo, not so much.

2. If you think about the events of TFoR, despite it being terrible in my opinion, and the game, a lot of it can co-exist. Halsey's Journal helps in this regard. I'll probably go more in-depth later, but as for now, you can have this point.

3. The Reach-era of Halo's story is outdated because it was written before much of the events in the games and other books expanded on Halo;s universe. Now that new information has been released, it's only appropriate for Reach to get a good retcon.

4. The story has not been destroyed, only drama queens believe this.

  • 03.10.2011 7:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Recovery 25
THat's not an argument. You dont have an actual argument, you just keep posting contradictary statements. You saying the same thing I just basically proved wrong does not help you int he least.

You are wrong and you have done absolutely nothing to show me otherwise.

You have done nothing to prove that your right. All you keep saying is that I'm wrong. WOW the best come back ever I had no idea that stating this automatically made you right. Okay then your wrong. Also you forget the fact there is the video that has the statement that your arguement is wrong coming from the developers. You can act like the video doesn't exist but it does and it was on Waypoint. Stop trolling.


What actually happens in their game holds more weight than what a developer said in 20 seconds of commentary.

Sorry.

  • 03.10.2011 7:30 PM PDT


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MC LOL88
1. your arguement is not compelling, why cant it be?

2.mind explaining how

3.who said it was my favorite franchise? 2nd i had no desires for this game, i only expected bungie to make a good campaign like they usualy do, which they seemed to failed in doing. 3rd how is the story "outdated", funny your arguement for LOTR contradicts itself with that statement
4th. i worship the story, not the creator... when the creator makes the whole story irrelevant and impossible because they wanted to make a -blam!- quality campaign, i get mad, because the story has been destroyed.

1. The Lord of the Rings is one of the definitive fantasy epics of the 20th century. Halo isn't even the pinnacle of sci-fi. As such, no self-respecting author would think of changing the story, even the games either follow the main story or focus on areas not explored by Tolkien. Halo, not so much.

2. If you think about the events of TFoR, despite it being terrible in my opinion, and the game, a lot of it can co-exist. Halsey's Journal helps in this regard. I'll probably go more in-depth later, but as for now, you can have this point.

3. The Reach-era of Halo's story is outdated because it was written before much of the events in the games and other books expanded on Halo;s universe. Now that new information has been released, it's only appropriate for Reach to get a good retcon.

4. The story has not been destroyed, only drama queens believe this.


Simply put, the Battle of Reach told in TFOR, and a tiny bit of First strike, is from a completely different, and somewhat limited, viewpoint. In Halo Reach, we see somebody else's viewpoint.

Even then, the radios match the tale of the ground battle in First strike, and a waypoint video from 343 points out the space battle fitting.

Oh, and I find it funny as heck that the people who made this game CANNOT be right when they say it fits canon, as they CLEARLY don't have access to the Halo Story Bible and we do right?

  • 03.10.2011 7:38 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MC LOL88
1. your arguement is not compelling, why cant it be?

2.mind explaining how

3.who said it was my favorite franchise? 2nd i had no desires for this game, i only expected bungie to make a good campaign like they usualy do, which they seemed to failed in doing. 3rd how is the story "outdated", funny your arguement for LOTR contradicts itself with that statement
4th. i worship the story, not the creator... when the creator makes the whole story irrelevant and impossible because they wanted to make a -blam!- quality campaign, i get mad, because the story has been destroyed.

1. The Lord of the Rings is one of the definitive fantasy epics of the 20th century. Halo isn't even the pinnacle of sci-fi. As such, no self-respecting author would think of changing the story, even the games either follow the main story or focus on areas not explored by Tolkien. Halo, not so much.

2. If you think about the events of TFoR, despite it being terrible in my opinion, and the game, a lot of it can co-exist. Halsey's Journal helps in this regard. I'll probably go more in-depth later, but as for now, you can have this point.

3. The Reach-era of Halo's story is outdated because it was written before much of the events in the games and other books expanded on Halo;s universe. Now that new information has been released, it's only appropriate for Reach to get a good retcon.

4. The story has not been destroyed, only drama queens believe this.


Simply put, the Battle of Reach told in TFOR, and a tiny bit of First strike, is from a completely different, and somewhat limited, viewpoint. In Halo Reach, we see somebody else's viewpoint.

Even then, the radios match the tale of the ground battle in First strike, and a waypoint video from 343 points out the space battle fitting.

Oh, and I find it funny as heck that the people who made this game CANNOT be right when they say it fits canon, as they CLEARLY don't have access to the Halo Story Bible and we do right?

Obviously. And besides, I don't care how many years TFoR was around. After more of the universe has been expanded, I'm supposed to believe Elites were a new threat for humanity on Reach and accept the broken Spartan numbers?

No.

  • 03.10.2011 7:41 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Oh, and I find it funny as heck that the people who made this game CANNOT be right when they say it fits canon, as they CLEARLY don't have access to the Halo Story Bible and we do right?


This is pretty flawed logic.

It's like saying, "Even though three novels say we didn't fight elites until 2552, but the other books say we fought them in 2525, it doesn't break canon because we don't have the story bible."

No. It's still a break in canon, regardless of if we have the "story bible" or not.

  • 03.10.2011 7:43 PM PDT

If I don't believe in him...



why should he believe in me?


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MC LOL88
1. your arguement is not compelling, why cant it be?

2.mind explaining how

3.who said it was my favorite franchise? 2nd i had no desires for this game, i only expected bungie to make a good campaign like they usualy do, which they seemed to failed in doing. 3rd how is the story "outdated", funny your arguement for LOTR contradicts itself with that statement
4th. i worship the story, not the creator... when the creator makes the whole story irrelevant and impossible because they wanted to make a -blam!- quality campaign, i get mad, because the story has been destroyed.

1. The Lord of the Rings is one of the definitive fantasy epics of the 20th century. Halo isn't even the pinnacle of sci-fi. As such, no self-respecting author would think of changing the story, even the games either follow the main story or focus on areas not explored by Tolkien. Halo, not so much.

2. If you think about the events of TFoR, despite it being terrible in my opinion, and the game, a lot of it can co-exist. Halsey's Journal helps in this regard. I'll probably go more in-depth later, but as for now, you can have this point.

3. The Reach-era of Halo's story is outdated because it was written before much of the events in the games and other books expanded on Halo;s universe. Now that new information has been released, it's only appropriate for Reach to get a good retcon.

4. The story has not been destroyed, only drama queens believe this.

1. bias, and by what means is it one of the greatest? and why is halo not significant? who determines that?
2.halsley's journal came out with the game, derp,
3. wrong, the books were based of the original game, not the games, but the game, Halo:CE , and, although this may not be true, i remember one trustworthy user on this forum use chronological order when comparing CE to the books...
cannot the books be used this same way to the game Halo Reach?

[Edited on 03.10.2011 7:51 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2011 7:44 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Oh, and I find it funny as heck that the people who made this game CANNOT be right when they say it fits canon, as they CLEARLY don't have access to the Halo Story Bible and we do right?


This is pretty flawed logic.

It's like saying, "Even though three novels say we didn't fight elites until 2552, but the other books say we fought them in 2525, it doesn't break canon because we don't have the story bible."

No. It's still a break in canon, regardless of if we have the "story bible" or not.


Depends, did everybody -blam!- about that as much as they do these little details?

Still, it's stupid and makes your side worse when it's claimed Reach "Contradicts the Halo Story Bible" when you don't even know what is in it. For all we know, this information could have been roughly sketched in a long while back. Or maybe Bungie decided "Hey, let's expand and put MORE info into this pretty damn major battle."

  • 03.10.2011 7:47 PM PDT