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Subject: Were there any canon changes in Reach that you liked?

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Oh, and I find it funny as heck that the people who made this game CANNOT be right when they say it fits canon, as they CLEARLY don't have access to the Halo Story Bible and we do right?


This is pretty flawed logic.

It's like saying, "Even though three novels say we didn't fight elites until 2552, but the other books say we fought them in 2525, it doesn't break canon because we don't have the story bible."

No. It's still a break in canon, regardless of if we have the "story bible" or not.

It's also flawed to base what happens in an entire franchises universe on the first three books, even if one is just the game novelized as a book. More information will come out and things need to be adjusted for it. If it retcons some previous story elements in the process, so be it.

  • 03.10.2011 7:47 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: Gottalovec4
None, none at all.

The battle taking over a month meant that ONI would have never had such a quick frantic struggle to erase the data. Meaning that Gamma station would have never had data still in it's Prowler bay.

Meaning Master Chief would have never had to watch James and Linda die. This also means the Pillar of Autumn would never have had to escape so quickly.

Essentially, if Halo Reach's canon is true, then the rest of the trilogy never happened. MC wouldn't have been alone on Halo...hell Cortana would have never FOUND Halo.

QFT

  • 03.10.2011 7:53 PM PDT

"You were weak... and gods must be strong."


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: manwith
Posted by: Gamma 46

Posted by: privet caboose
I will never, ever, accept the pillar landing on Reach as canon. It makes no damn sense at all.

>Covenant show up on the 30th
>The pillar is LEAVING THE SYSTEM TO GO ON THEIR MISSION.
>Turn around to defend Reach(which was already under attack in the game so...)
>DROP OFF THE SPARTANS IN A SINGLE PELICAN DOWN TO THE PLANET WHICH IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND COST 4 SPARTANS THEIR LIVES.
>Land on the planet right after you just sent all of your spartans down in a vessel that could be show down much easier than the autumn.

Do you all honestly think Keyes is that stupid?


Eh, I agree to some effect there. There are a few blanks that we /may/ be able to infer that we simply don't know.

For example: Keyes got an emergency hail AFTER dropping off the Spartans to collect the "package". On top of that, I don't know that Viery was where the S-IIs were supposed to go. They could've been deployed elsewhere planetside, it'd be a bad idea to go drop them off there THEN head to your destination potentialy halfway around the planet.


He got an emergency hail after he had already dropped the Spartans.

Nah, forget the package, know the future beforehand before you make any decisions and head to Installation 04 without the package.


Why would Keyes return to Reach in the first place.

In the novel, he returns because the huge fleet just showed up. In the game, it's already there. Reach has been invaded for weeks. Why scrap the mission while you're leaving. Then, split up your spartans. Send them all to their deaths. Then pick up something completely insignificant to your original mission, while putting your entire ships crew at risk by LANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE DURING AN INVASION AND SHIPS GLASSING THE PLANET.

You cannot justify it. It does not add up.


As I said earlier, my largets gripe is the lack of a UNSC fleet for the game.

However, the fleet we see at the end of LNoS was a sort of pre-strike force. Probably went in to dip their toes in the water and see how heavily defended the planet was- just a bit ahead of the main 300-some ships. At least that's how I reckon it.

I know there are some discrepencies we can't quite cover, but I feel a few of the major ones can make sense if you look at them in a new way and think about the unknown dates, times, and points of views during currently clarified dates.

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He of course had to return to fight the fleet, as per UNSC orders, which I'm sure you know and agree with. However, we don't know how or who sent the message to Keyes to retrieve the Cortana fragment. If he knew the message was from Halsey, he'd probably take that extra gamble for her. He knows that if she wants something done, its for the greater good.

Dot stated that the shipyards of Azsod were one of the last secure areas in Viery territory, and it was quickly being taken over as we saw firsthand in the final mission. It was a major risk, we know. But we also know Keyes has had enough experience with Spartans to realize that if they were delivering the 'all important package', that they'd get it to him before his ship went down.

Crazy things happen in war, and plans can quickly go FUBAR. That admiral or whatever rank it was that ordered the carpet bombing is a good example of logical thinking going out the door.

Though I'm okay to a level with the canon discrepencies for now- I'm thinking at some point there'll be a bit of enlightenment.

  • 03.10.2011 8:18 PM PDT

I liked how the timeline was stretched out to a realistic length. Other than that though most of it can fit into the book fairly easily.

  • 03.10.2011 8:36 PM PDT


Posted by: Wazooty
Posted by: Recovery 25
There were no changes to the canon. Here is a time line for everything http://www.halopedian.com/Fall_Of_Reach. I kind of get tired of people thinking Reach just completely made The Fall of Reach non-canon because they can't look up the information. Also in the Legendary edition commentary Bungie even says that if you look up the dates that everything fits together. Anyways I did like that they had Keyes in the game.


Complete bull. In the book the unsc was unaware that reach was being attacked until the 30th. On reach we see a hefty portion of the planet already on fire by august 15th. Dot even said 60% of the fleet was en route to reach as of august 14th, whereas int he book they were not gathering to defend until the 30th, after fermion first detected the fleet. Do you think that the entire fleet EXCEPT the pillar of autumn and all the spartan-IIs were aware that reach was being attacked? I mean, they only constitute one of their best ships and the best ground force in the entire UNSC. They aren't important or anything. Jun also noted that "gauntlet, red and echo teams are assigned to civilian evac ops" on what...the 27th? 3 days before the events of the book. Bungie knows who red team is, they wouldnt name a different group of spartans red team, that group was the spartan-IIs that you say did not join the fight until the 30th because you don't actually think.

You are daft if you think that an entire fleet attacking reach went unnoticed until the 30th. You people say things line up but you don't use a single bit of brain power to actually think about it. Lining up does not equal makes sense.

The book was retconned. The events of the book happened on august 15th and were extended over a two week period, ending on the 30th. The events before august 15th were probably the UNSC trying to destroy the attacking forces as subtly as possible in the hopes that the covenant wouldn't summon an entire fleet. They'd rather fight off one ship than an entire fleet.





Let's see here.

It's common knowledge that Reach fell on the 30th. However, how could you amass roughly one hundred ships in a matter of hours and expect them all to be battle ready. Slipspace isn't lightspeed. It would be massive luck that roughly a hundred ships were within hours of Reach at the time. Dot does say that 60% of the UNSC fleet were on their way as of the 12th, but where in the book does it say that the entire UNSC didn't know about the invasion until it basically happened? The glassing doesn't begin until the 23rd and they only glass high value or high population areas. You are somewhat correct though, Ferrion did detect that the Fleet of Particular Justice were on their way and all ships in the system as well as those in the Jericho and Tantalus systems were ordered to rendezvous at Reach.

This is a bit confused to me, but I will answer as simply as possible. Yes I do think that the Pillar of Autumn could not be informed about an event, but the rest of the fleet would be. It is easily possible that a single ship could miss out on a transmission and not know about something, however, The Pillar of Autumn had to have known for it participated in the Battle of Reach. The Pillar of Autumn is just a refit Halcyon-class vessel. I think the UNSC Trafalgar as a Super Carrier would be way more important than a tiny Halcyon-class vessel. The Spartans were valuable assets, but when it came to giant space battles they weren't useful in the least. It would be a huge blow to the UNSC if the ship they were on were destroyed in a space battle.

Now you can't just assume that the entire UNSC ground forces including the Marines and Army would have only one Red Team which were made up of a top secret military project of super soldiers that the vast majority of the UNSC soldiers never actually saw. Also wasn't Red Team's duty to protect one of the platforms that supplied power to the Orbital MAC platforms? Why would they be on civilian duty? Reach had its own army as well. Given there was a Gautlet and an Echo, which aren't Spartan teams, who do you know that these aren't just squads of Army?

You also contradict yourself. "Complete bull. In the book the unsc was unaware that reach was being attacked until the 30th." You say the UNSC weren't aware of the Covenant on Reach until the 30th, but then you say. "You are daft if you think that an entire fleet attacking reach went unnoticed until the 30th." Given these are your opinions until you can back them up with some proof you just debunked one of your own opinions.

All of my information is gathered from http://www.halopedian.com/Fall_Of_Reach#July_24.2C_2552, http://www.halopedian.com/Battle_of_reach#Space_battle, and http://www.halopedian.com/Halo_fall_of_reach#2010_bonus_conte nt

Now here's my interpretation. Everyone says the Battle of Reach happened in one day and the planet fell on the 30th. The Fleet of Particular Justice, the 314 Covenant ships that destroyed the UNSC blockade to Reach, didn't arrive until the 30th. The main battle fleet that fought the Fleet of Particular Justice, including 52 ships with the Pillar of Autumn included, did not arrive until the 29th or 30th. The fleet did send two fleets ahead of their advance including the Supercarrier and the Battlecruisers that glassed the planet. They were there to soften the planet and gather data on its current ability to defend. There wasn't even a space battle until the 30th, the battle between the Covenant Corvette and UNSC Savannah barely counted as a space battle. It was just a skirmish between two ships. The main part of the Battle of Reach barely occurred in the game so the book's canon is barely even touched. The only part that could be said was skewed was the Pillar of Autumn landing on Reach and that argument was already resolved in this thread stating it was there for refitting and refueling.

[Edited on 03.10.2011 8:53 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2011 8:51 PM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

Okay, I'm setting the records straight. WHATEVER BUNGIE MAKES IS CANON! Get over it! None of those books are even close to the caliber of writing that people like Joe Staten put into the original Halo series. They made an incredible game with a truly unique character that was "The Last Spartan" not 'oh just another one of the Spartan IIs who happened to be in the right place at the right time because we think the Spartan IIIs are cooler'.

I'm sick of your guys' crap, last time I checked, all that happend in the lame ass book Halo: The Fall Of Reach was that they kept building, and building, and building, and building, and building, and building to...wait for it...NOTHING! Thats right! A big, fat, nothing!!! All that happend is that Captain Keyes sits on the Pillar Of Autumn while Master Chief fought for five seconds on a friggin' space station where Srgt. Johnson just happened to be. Talk about no apparet reason! HE NEREVR SETS FOOT ON REACH WHILE IT'S BEING ATTACKED!!! Dude, boring! So what did Bungie do? Well they decided they couldn't do that because there would be nothing to play, and all of the whiney fans didn't want Master Chief in the game so, what did they do? They wrote you a whole new kick-ass story with you precious little Spartan IIIs and made the best Halo game EVER, and what did you guys do?

YOU SAID IT SUCKED! HOW DARE YOU!!!

Not to mention they put the Pillar Of Autumn in the most relevant place possible(Reach, the forefront of the Human resistance). Then they gave you the answer to the entire Halo series by making Dr. Halsey a bad-ass who knows when to put Cater in his place because he can't use his damn head and giving you Cortana. Who, by the way, was the answer to the Forerunner riddle all along by dissecting that amazing Forerunner artifact buried in the earth. How else do you think Cortana was able to understand Forerunner technology on Halo? Yeah, because Bungie's bad-ass and they always tie up their loose ends.

And of all of the things to insult, they put Master Chief in Halo: Reach in the best way they possibly could without stepping on fans toes, and what did you guys say? You said it was dumb!

Well shut up, stop playing the game if you don't like it, and get off the forums! I'm done with you! Go say you hate Halo some where else! Just shut up and shows some respect!!!



P.S. Bungie, I love you guys so much and all of your amazing games mean so much to me. Keep up the amazing work that you guys do. I CAN'T WAIT for the "Next Big Thing".

<3,
Nannerpus

  • 03.10.2011 8:53 PM PDT

Posted by: Nannerpus
Okay, I'm setting the records straight. WHATEVER BUNGIE MAKES IS CANON! Get over it! None of those books are even close to the caliber of writing that people like Joe Staten put into the original Halo series. They made an incredible game with a truly unique character that was "The Last Spartan" not 'oh just another one of the Spartan IIs who happened to be in the right place at the right time because we think the Spartan IIIs are cooler'.

I'm sick of your guys' crap, last time I checked, all that happend in the lame ass book Halo: The Fall Of Reach was that they kept building, and building, and building, and building, and building, and building to...wait for it...NOTHING! Thats right! A big, fat, nothing!!! All that happend is that Captain Keyes sits on the Pillar Of Autumn while Master Chief fought for five seconds on a friggin' space station where Srgt. Johnson just happened to be. Talk about no apparet reason! HE NEREVR SETS FOOT ON REACH WHILE IT'S BEING ATTACKED!!! Dude, boring! So what did Bungie do? Well they decided they couldn't do that because there would be nothing to play, and all of the whiney fans didn't want Master Chief in the game so, what did they do? They wrote you a whole new kick-ass story with you precious little Spartan IIIs and made the best Halo game EVER, and what did you guys do?

YOU SAID IT SUCKED! HOW DARE YOU!!!

Not to mention they put the Pillar Of Autumn in the most relevant place possible(Reach, the forefront of the Human resistance). Then they gave you the answer to the entire Halo series by making Dr. Halsey a bad-ass who knows when to put Cater in his place because he can't use his damn head and giving you Cortana. Who, by the way, was the answer to the Forerunner riddle all along by dissecting that amazing Forerunner artifact buried in the earth. How else do you think Cortana was able to understand Forerunner technology on Halo? Yeah, because Bungie's bad-ass and they always tie up their loose ends.

And of all of the things to insult, they put Master Chief in Halo: Reach in the best way they possibly could without stepping on fans toes, and what did you guys say? You said it was dumb!

Well shut up, stop playing the game if you don't like it, and get off the forums! I'm done with you! Go say you hate Halo some where else! Just shut up and shows some respect!!!



P.S. Bungie, I love you guys so much and all of your amazing games mean so much to me. Keep up the amazing work that you guys do. I CAN'T WAIT for the "Next Big Thing".

<3,
Nannerpus
Go away, fanboi. This is a place for people with opinions and arguments, not blind obedience.

  • 03.10.2011 9:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Nannerpus
Okay, I'm setting the records straight. WHATEVER BUNGIE MAKES IS CANON! Get over it! None of those books are even close to the caliber of writing that people like Joe Staten put into the original Halo series. They made an incredible game with a truly unique character that was "The Last Spartan" not 'oh just another one of the Spartan IIs who happened to be in the right place at the right time because we think the Spartan IIIs are cooler'.

I'm sick of your guys' crap, last time I checked, all that happend in the lame ass book Halo: The Fall Of Reach was that they kept building, and building, and building, and building, and building, and building to...wait for it...NOTHING! Thats right! A big, fat, nothing!!! All that happend is that Captain Keyes sits on the Pillar Of Autumn while Master Chief fought for five seconds on a friggin' space station where Srgt. Johnson just happened to be. Talk about no apparet reason! HE NEREVR SETS FOOT ON REACH WHILE IT'S BEING ATTACKED!!! Dude, boring! So what did Bungie do? Well they decided they couldn't do that because there would be nothing to play, and all of the whiney fans didn't want Master Chief in the game so, what did they do? They wrote you a whole new kick-ass story with you precious little Spartan IIIs and made the best Halo game EVER, and what did you guys do?

YOU SAID IT SUCKED! HOW DARE YOU!!!

Not to mention they put the Pillar Of Autumn in the most relevant place possible(Reach, the forefront of the Human resistance). Then they gave you the answer to the entire Halo series by making Dr. Halsey a bad-ass who knows when to put Cater in his place because he can't use his damn head and giving you Cortana. Who, by the way, was the answer to the Forerunner riddle all along by dissecting that amazing Forerunner artifact buried in the earth. How else do you think Cortana was able to understand Forerunner technology on Halo? Yeah, because Bungie's bad-ass and they always tie up their loose ends.

And of all of the things to insult, they put Master Chief in Halo: Reach in the best way they possibly could without stepping on fans toes, and what did you guys say? You said it was dumb!

Well shut up, stop playing the game if you don't like it, and get off the forums! I'm done with you! Go say you hate Halo some where else! Just shut up and shows some respect!!!



P.S. Bungie, I love you guys so much and all of your amazing games mean so much to me. Keep up the amazing work that you guys do. I CAN'T WAIT for the "Next Big Thing".

<3,
Nannerpus
Go away, fanboi. This is a place for people with opinions and arguments, not blind obedience.


Oh ho ho! Now your pissing me off, you hypocrite! You're entitled to your opinion and I'm not?

If your opinion is that Halo: Reach sucks, then don't post on the forums that were created for the game. You are insulting an amazing game that a lot of people, that you profess to be fans of, worked extremely hard on to please you. That's not right. You can have an opinion on things that you would liked changed, but when you just start insulting and saying the game sucks, well then you just need to shut up because your posting on the forums for that game.

C'mon dude.

-n

  • 03.10.2011 9:18 PM PDT

If we don't give an opinion that they did something badly, they are going to repeat themselves and nobody wins.

We have been posting here about what we think they did wrong, why aspects of the game are bad, then explaining why. Aside from myself getting pissed off at fanbois, we don't go around telling people to GTFO because they don't like what they were misled into paying for.

I'll tell you what isn't right. Creating an entire universe, helping others flesh it out(Eric Nylund with the novels), then going back and telling everyone that some of that fleshing out doesn't matter anymore, the hard work of those writers was watsed, and that you spent your money on something that is now worthless. If there are established events, you work work within those borders, you don't just overwrite them simply because you can. That is bad practice and just irresponsible.

  • 03.10.2011 9:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

Posted by: chickenlittle
If we don't give an opinion that they did something badly, they are going to repeat themselves and nobody wins.

We have been posting here about what we think they did wrong, why aspects of the game are bad, then explaining why. Aside from myself getting pissed off at fanbois, we don't go around telling people to GTFO because they don't like what they were misled into paying for.

I'll tell you what isn't right. Creating an entire universe, helping others flesh it out(Eric Nylund with the novels), then going back and telling everyone that some of that fleshing out doesn't matter anymore, the hard work of those writers was watsed, and that you spent your money on something that is now worthless. If there are established events, you work work within those borders, you don't just overwrite them simply because you can. That is bad practice and just irresponsible.


No, the writers do this of their own free will because they too are fans of the games. They are not looking to actually impact the canon or even claim that it is canon at all. A Bungie representative said that it was canon, and now he's saying it's not.

As for the "mistakes" Bungie made, they are not just throwing away the canon, just the parts that suck so they can make a better game. The fact that the book is called The Fall Of Reach and then never even sets foot on Reach is "bad practice". Hell, it's just plain dumb. You literally see it as if you were a bystander and not actually involved in what was going on. You tell me which was the mistake. Nylund building up the suspense to a "man that was a bullet dodged", or, Bungie realizing that we would actually like to know what went down between August 12, 2552 and August 30, 2552 on planet Reach.

You said yourself you thought the game was bad. So play or don't play it. But definitely don't make daily threads stating how terrible the game is. It's in bad taste.

C'mon, dude.

-n

[Edited on 03.10.2011 9:38 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2011 9:36 PM PDT

Posted by: Nannerpus
Posted by: chickenlittle
If we don't give an opinion that they did something badly, they are going to repeat themselves and nobody wins.

We have been posting here about what we think they did wrong, why aspects of the game are bad, then explaining why. Aside from myself getting pissed off at fanbois, we don't go around telling people to GTFO because they don't like what they were misled into paying for.

I'll tell you what isn't right. Creating an entire universe, helping others flesh it out(Eric Nylund with the novels), then going back and telling everyone that some of that fleshing out doesn't matter anymore, the hard work of those writers was watsed, and that you spent your money on something that is now worthless. If there are established events, you work work within those borders, you don't just overwrite them simply because you can. That is bad practice and just irresponsible.


No, the writers do this of their own free will because they too are fans of the games. They are not looking to actually impact the canon or even claim that it is canon at all. A Bungie representative said that it was canon, and now he's saying it's not.
Exactly my point. The writers are hired by Microsoft to add to the universe. They can still decline, but the point is that they're writing for a reason, not just because they can. Hell, if I was asked to write for this franchise at this point, I'd decline too. I don't have great writing abilities, but I can't be sure if they'd retcon what I wrote at this point.

As for the "mistakes" Bungie made, they are not just throwing away the canon, just the parts that suck so they can make a better game. The fact that the book is called The Fall Of Reach and then never even sets foot on Reach is "bad practice". Hell, it's just plain dumb. You literally see it as if you were a bystander and not actually involved in what was going on. You tell me which was the mistake. Nylund building up the suspense to a "man that was a bullet dodged", or, Bungie realizing that we would actually like to know what went down between August 12, 2552 and August 30, 2552 on planet Reach.What happened on the planet was of literally zero consequences to whether or not Reach was lost. The entire actual "battle" was in orbit, where the UNSC lost. The loss of the Super-MAC generators only sped it up, and additional Covenant reinforcements showed up later anyways. Regardless, we saw this entire battle. AND OF COURSE WE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED ON THE PLANET! What we didn't want to see if a bunch of small skirmishes that have no relevance to the actual fight for the planet. We wanted to see the fights Red Team had to endure, to venture under CASTLE BASE, to see the fight for the Circumference ourselves. But I guess small skirmishes and retcons are good enough for Halo fans, right?

You said yourself you thought the game was bad. So play or don't play it. But definitely don't make daily threads stating how terrible the game is. It's in bad taste.I'm not making daily threads. I'm not seeing anyone else making daily threads about it. All the posting I do here is based in a thread with hundreds of replies and a few new ones that haven't been touched on before, like this one.

  • 03.10.2011 9:58 PM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Nannerpus
Posted by: chickenlittle
If we don't give an opinion that they did something badly, they are going to repeat themselves and nobody wins.

We have been posting here about what we think they did wrong, why aspects of the game are bad, then explaining why. Aside from myself getting pissed off at fanbois, we don't go around telling people to GTFO because they don't like what they were misled into paying for.

I'll tell you what isn't right. Creating an entire universe, helping others flesh it out(Eric Nylund with the novels), then going back and telling everyone that some of that fleshing out doesn't matter anymore, the hard work of those writers was watsed, and that you spent your money on something that is now worthless. If there are established events, you work work within those borders, you don't just overwrite them simply because you can. That is bad practice and just irresponsible.


No, the writers do this of their own free will because they too are fans of the games. They are not looking to actually impact the canon or even claim that it is canon at all. A Bungie representative said that it was canon, and now he's saying it's not.
Exactly my point. The writers are hired by Microsoft to add to the universe. They can still decline, but the point is that they're writing for a reason, not just because they can. Hell, if I was asked to write for this franchise at this point, I'd decline too. I don't have great writing abilities, but I can't be sure if they'd retcon what I wrote at this point.

As for the "mistakes" Bungie made, they are not just throwing away the canon, just the parts that suck so they can make a better game. The fact that the book is called The Fall Of Reach and then never even sets foot on Reach is "bad practice". Hell, it's just plain dumb. You literally see it as if you were a bystander and not actually involved in what was going on. You tell me which was the mistake. Nylund building up the suspense to a "man that was a bullet dodged", or, Bungie realizing that we would actually like to know what went down between August 12, 2552 and August 30, 2552 on planet Reach.What happened on the planet was of literally zero consequences to whether or not Reach was lost. The entire actual "battle" was in orbit, where the UNSC lost. The loss of the Super-MAC generators only sped it up, and additional Covenant reinforcements showed up later anyways. Regardless, we saw this entire battle. AND OF COURSE WE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED ON THE PLANET! What we didn't want to see if a bunch of small skirmishes that have no relevance to the actual fight for the planet. We wanted to see the fights Red Team had to endure, to venture under CASTLE BASE, to see the fight for the Circumference ourselves. But I guess small skirmishes and retcons are good enough for Halo fans, right?

You said yourself you thought the game was bad. So play or don't play it. But definitely don't make daily threads stating how terrible the game is. It's in bad taste.I'm not making daily threads. I'm not seeing anyone else making daily threads about it. All the posting I do here is based in a thread with hundreds of replies and a few new ones that haven't been touched on before, like this one.


Not seeing daily threads, huh? Dude that just proves you're out of it. You've obviously never even seen the Halo: Reach forum. Nobody will touch it because of the hate threads.

Whatever, I'm done with you. You just keep spewing the same garbage about the books, that really aren't even that spectacular, and your not even acknowledging the fact that what Bungie makes is canon. You just keep talking about Microsoft which merely holds the IP and doesn't do any hiring regarding the Halo series. Bungie did all of the creative hiring up until the creation of 343 Industries which now does all of the creative hiring. And seriously, Microsoft, hiring artists? Get real. Bungie made it all and now that they wanna move on they have to relinquish their share of the rights because Microsoft is a money machine. But hey, thats the way business is.

All in all Halo: Reach was an amazing game and I'm sure we can both agree a great note to go out on. Imma sleep now.

-n

  • 03.10.2011 10:40 PM PDT
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I liked just about all of them. The Fall of Reach story from the novels (in retrospect) wasn't very good, and while change generally annoy me, I liked seeing a more in depth version, at the cost of minor sacrifices.

Ultimately, it is the books that are not canon. According to game fiction, no detail from Reach was ever invalidated.

  • 03.10.2011 10:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

Posted by: Tibetz
I liked just about all of them. The Fall of Reach story from the novels (in retrospect) wasn't very good, and while change generally annoy me, I liked seeing a more in depth version, at the cost of minor sacrifices.

Ultimately, it is the books that are not canon. According to game fiction, no detail from Reach was ever invalidated.


Exactly.

-n

  • 03.10.2011 11:10 PM PDT

Don't know if this was mentioned. A bungie interview on Waypoint, they stated that there was to be a second saber mission where we take cortana to the PoA. But scraped that idea, thinking it was redundant.

  • 03.10.2011 11:27 PM PDT

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I've given up on arguing how badly the cannon is screwed in Reach. In my mind you have Halo Universe over here and Halo Reach over there. The only things I did like that I accept are the Diary and Noble.

  • 03.10.2011 11:29 PM PDT
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I find this funny.

Reach's campaighn was horrable for me.

[Edited on 03.11.2011 12:03 AM PST]

  • 03.11.2011 12:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: phyr
Reach's campaighn was horrable for me.
As bad as your spelling?

  • 03.11.2011 12:06 AM PDT

"What do you hear?"
"Nothing but the rain."
"Then grab your gun and bring in the cat."
"Boom, boom, boom!"

Posted by: linguotao

Lol.

I can only really think of one thing. That was extending the date.

  • 03.11.2011 12:38 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

I think changing the dates could have somewhat slipped it into canon. They could have easily had this game take place over the course of 3 days.
August 28: Noble Actual, Winter Contingency, Sword Base, Nightfall
August 29: Tip of the Spear, Long Night of Solace, Exodus, New Alexandria
August 30: The Package, The Pillar of Autumn, Lone Wolf
(Time zones from August 29-August 30 could still argue the battle was lost in one day) Granted, that doesn't even come close to fixing all the canon breaks, but at least that would cover the issue of the dates.

  • 03.11.2011 5:41 AM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.

No.

  • 03.11.2011 6:29 AM PDT

People can argue up and down the TFOR is ruined because of Halo Reach. Reality is it is not ruined, and both 343 and Bungie have pointed out the book and game do connect. (I've linked a 343 video talking about the space battle a few times in other threads.)

  • 03.11.2011 6:41 AM PDT