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Posted by: Naked Crook
I will say this for the OP.

You have more brains than the entire story writing staff at Bungie did.

But...the last part...make my own Reach Alternate story?

I got a good one.

The game starts the same, going to the relay. However...instead of walking there...you just fly the Falcon there and save a good 30 minutes of pointless mission and DVD space. So you get to the relay, kill some Zealots, and things progress.

Now...in the following Cinematic, I would change the dialog. This is how it would go.

Carter: Kat...status report...
Kat: You are in my light Commander...

*Carter smacks Kat in the back of the head*

Carter: Did I ask for smart comments? No...I think asked for a status report! Jorge!? What did I ask for!?

Jorge: A Status report...

Carter: Noble Six? What did I ask for?

Noble Six:...

Carter: That's right! Say nothing...you know nothing anyway!

*Noble Six nods*

Carter: Now...Kat...I will stand where ever I see fit, so I can supervise your work! Now...I ask again...STATUS...REPORT!!!

and stuff goes on, Kat learning the chain of command in the process.

---

They go to Sword base. Instead of sending...two Spartans...ALL of Noble team goes. They activate the AA gun and the comms array and they go back to sword base, and they kill the phantom, and then go to talk with Halsey.

Now...I would change more dialog.

Jorge: Hi Halsey...

Halsey: Jorge...you have modified military grade equipment without authorization.

Jorge: But...

Halsey: No buts...take it off. You are a Spartan II...not one of these dork Spartan IIIs that wear multicolored armor.

*Jorge leaves and puts on REAL Mjolnir Mark V*

Halsey: As for the rest of you...pick a single color and act like a squad. You look like clowns...with all this...multicolored armor...and mix-and-match parts. God...you people suck. Give me the latchkey research and get out of my face!

---

Nightfall mission is the same, except ALL of Noble team goes.

---

Tip of the Spear...that can be skipped because that was a pretty pointless mission.

---

Long Night of Solace...the first half can be skipped. These are Spartans...not Starfox and friends. All of Noble Team gets on a Pelican, flies to the Savanna, and they board the Corvette, and carry out the same plan of the slipspace bomb.

The end cinematic would change.

Jorge: We have bad news. The remote activation thing is damaged. Someone needs to stay behind to activate it.

Jorge looks at a nameless army guy standing in the corner.

Jorge: Private Replaceable....come here for a moment!

Soldier: Private Douglas Replaceable...reporting for duty!

Jorge: Private...I am a Spartan...I am rare, and I cost as much as a small battleship. You, on the other hand, have no family, no loved ones, and your death means nothing. Stay behind and activate this bomb while all the Spartans escape to safety.

Soldier: But sir...

Jorge: Shhh...I am your superior office...and sometimes, when in a position of command, you need to order someone to their death.

---

So far...all of our Spartans are alive and well...

---

So all of Noble Team goes to New Alexandria and do stuff. No major changes through the missions of Exodus.

---

No mission changes in New Alexandria. However...I would change the end cinematic.

*Kat get's shot in the head*

Carter: Leave her you fools! She can serve as food for the brutes to slow them down!

Emile: Good idea boss!

Jorge: Yeah...good idea

Jun: My cooking!

---

The Package changes a bit. You go to the ice cave, find Halsey, but there is no Cortana. Cortana is on the PoA. Your mission is to escort Halsey to safety. Done and done.

At the end of the mission, Noble Team splits up. Jun goes with Halsey somewhere and Jorge, Carter, Emile, and Six decided to try and get to the PoA to help Keyes.

---

The Pillar of Autumn mission starts and you fly the Pelican right to the PoA docking area, but you get shot down by a Phantom just short of your destination. A console explodes in Carters face killing him.

So Emile, Jorge, and Six all try to make a run for it, but they meet a Scarab. Emile gets disintegrated by the Scarab beam and Jorge and Six manage to defeat the Scarab by climbing on some rocks, boarding the Scarab by force, and overloading the core.

So Six and Jorge run to the boneyard, where a Pelican is waiting for them. As they near the Pelican, Several Zealots appear and ambush Six and Jorge.

Jorge is killed in the battle with the Zealots and Six gets wounded.

As Six crawls to the pelican...for dear life...a CCS class cruiser appears in the sky. It begins to charges its laser.

Keyes, being a Captain, understands the concept of "acceptable tactical losses given the circumstance" and he abandons Six and the rescue pelican and escapes Reach.

Six and the Rescue pelican are glassed and killed.

The end.


Some of what you said sounds like it could be a cool idea, but most your post is just plain dumb -.-

Carter would not smack Kat, smacking is not his style, and he wouldn't smack Kat anyway, as they're romantically involved.

And Noble Team went groundside because they picked up the distress beacon.

I don't know what the rest of Noble Team was doing while Six and Kat did their thing at Sword Base, but they certainly weren't sitting on their asses in a Falcon. They're in Sword Base when you get back and fighting Covenant in case you didn't notice and Emilie is trying to clear the skies.

And your dialogue, whether you are joking around or not, is absolutely horrible, it's not even funny, it's just dumb. And actually most of your ideas would contradict canon more than you claim Reach does XD So I'm not even going to remark on the rest of your so called 'improvements'. No Spartan, whether II, III, or even I, would never order someone to their death like that, and Keyes leaving Six behind like you suggested would be completely out of character for him. Keyes would never leave a soldier capable of being saved, like Six in your scenario, to die, especially if it was a Spartan. He especially wouldn't leave a whole Pelican to die if he could help it, you're just being dumb.

I like the idea of boarding the Scarab, but not your idea for killing Carter or Emile, that's just stupid, dumber than of the ways the deaths really happened. Jorge being killed in a fight is not that dumb, and it's how a Spartan would go out anyway. And your idea for Six's death is just horrendously stupid and a piece of crap. The death in the game is five million times better.

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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Naked Crook
I will say this for the OP.

You have more brains than the entire story writing staff at Bungie did.

But...the last part...make my own Reach Alternate story?

I got a good one.

The game starts the same, going to the relay. However...instead of walking there...you just fly the Falcon there and save a good 30 minutes of pointless mission and DVD space. So you get to the relay, kill some Zealots, and things progress.

Now...in the following Cinematic, I would change the dialog. This is how it would go.

Carter: Kat...status report...
Kat: You are in my light Commander...

*Carter smacks Kat in the back of the head*

Carter: Did I ask for smart comments? No...I think asked for a status report! Jorge!? What did I ask for!?

Jorge: A Status report...

Carter: Noble Six? What did I ask for?

Noble Six:...

Carter: That's right! Say nothing...you know nothing anyway!

*Noble Six nods*

Carter: Now...Kat...I will stand where ever I see fit, so I can supervise your work! Now...I ask again...STATUS...REPORT!!!

and stuff goes on, Kat learning the chain of command in the process.

---

They go to Sword base. Instead of sending...two Spartans...ALL of Noble team goes. They activate the AA gun and the comms array and they go back to sword base, and they kill the phantom, and then go to talk with Halsey.

Now...I would change more dialog.

Jorge: Hi Halsey...

Halsey: Jorge...you have modified military grade equipment without authorization.

Jorge: But...

Halsey: No buts...take it off. You are a Spartan II...not one of these dork Spartan IIIs that wear multicolored armor.

*Jorge leaves and puts on REAL Mjolnir Mark V*

Halsey: As for the rest of you...pick a single color and act like a squad. You look like clowns...with all this...multicolored armor...and mix-and-match parts. God...you people suck. Give me the latchkey research and get out of my face!

---

Nightfall mission is the same, except ALL of Noble team goes.

---

Tip of the Spear...that can be skipped because that was a pretty pointless mission.

---

Long Night of Solace...the first half can be skipped. These are Spartans...not Starfox and friends. All of Noble Team gets on a Pelican, flies to the Savanna, and they board the Corvette, and carry out the same plan of the slipspace bomb.

The end cinematic would change.

Jorge: We have bad news. The remote activation thing is damaged. Someone needs to stay behind to activate it.

Jorge looks at a nameless army guy standing in the corner.

Jorge: Private Replaceable....come here for a moment!

Soldier: Private Douglas Replaceable...reporting for duty!

Jorge: Private...I am a Spartan...I am rare, and I cost as much as a small battleship. You, on the other hand, have no family, no loved ones, and your death means nothing. Stay behind and activate this bomb while all the Spartans escape to safety.

Soldier: But sir...

Jorge: Shhh...I am your superior office...and sometimes, when in a position of command, you need to order someone to their death.

---

So far...all of our Spartans are alive and well...

---

So all of Noble Team goes to New Alexandria and do stuff. No major changes through the missions of Exodus.

---

No mission changes in New Alexandria. However...I would change the end cinematic.

*Kat get's shot in the head*

Carter: Leave her you fools! She can serve as food for the brutes to slow them down!

Emile: Good idea boss!

Jorge: Yeah...good idea

Jun: My cooking!

---

The Package changes a bit. You go to the ice cave, find Halsey, but there is no Cortana. Cortana is on the PoA. Your mission is to escort Halsey to safety. Done and done.

At the end of the mission, Noble Team splits up. Jun goes with Halsey somewhere and Jorge, Carter, Emile, and Six decided to try and get to the PoA to help Keyes.

---

The Pillar of Autumn mission starts and you fly the Pelican right to the PoA docking area, but you get shot down by a Phantom just short of your destination. A console explodes in Carters face killing him.

So Emile, Jorge, and Six all try to make a run for it, but they meet a Scarab. Emile gets disintegrated by the Scarab beam and Jorge and Six manage to defeat the Scarab by climbing on some rocks, boarding the Scarab by force, and overloading the core.

So Six and Jorge run to the boneyard, where a Pelican is waiting for them. As they near the Pelican, Several Zealots appear and ambush Six and Jorge.

Jorge is killed in the battle with the Zealots and Six gets wounded.

As Six crawls to the pelican...for dear life...a CCS class cruiser appears in the sky. It begins to charges its laser.

Keyes, being a Captain, understands the concept of "acceptable tactical losses given the circumstance" and he abandons Six and the rescue pelican and escapes Reach.

Six and the Rescue pelican are glassed and killed.

The end.


Some of what you said sounds like it could be a cool idea, but most your post is just plain dumb -.-

Carter would not smack Kat, smacking is not his style, and he wouldn't smack Kat anyway, as they're romantically involved.

And Noble Team went groundside because they picked up the distress beacon.

I don't know what the rest of Noble Team was doing while Six and Kat did their thing at Sword Base, but they certainly weren't sitting on their asses in a Falcon. They're in Sword Base when you get back and fighting Covenant in case you didn't notice and Emilie is trying to clear the skies.

And your dialogue, whether you are joking around or not, is absolutely horrible, it's not even funny, it's just dumb. And actually most of your ideas would contradict canon more than you claim Reach does XD So I'm not even going to remark on the rest of your so called 'improvements'. No Spartan, whether II, III, or even I, would never order someone to their death like that, and Keyes leaving Six behind like you suggested would be completely out of character for him. Keyes would never leave a soldier capable of being saved, like Six in your scenario, to die, especially if it was a Spartan. He especially wouldn't leave a whole Pelican to die if he could help it, you're just being dumb.

I like the idea of boarding the Scarab, but not your idea for killing Carter or Emile, that's just stupid, dumber than of the ways the deaths really happened. Jorge being killed in a fight is not that dumb, and it's how a Spartan would go out anyway. And your idea for Six's death is just horrendously stupid and a piece of crap. The death in the game is five million times better.


This is the reason I still post on threads, people who have common sense.

  • 03.11.2011 2:52 PM PDT


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Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: Naked Crook
I will say this for the OP.

You have more brains than the entire story writing staff at Bungie did.

But...the last part...make my own Reach Alternate story?

I got a good one.

The game starts the same, going to the relay. However...instead of walking there...you just fly the Falcon there and save a good 30 minutes of pointless mission and DVD space. So you get to the relay, kill some Zealots, and things progress.

Now...in the following Cinematic, I would change the dialog. This is how it would go.

Carter: Kat...status report...
Kat: You are in my light Commander...

*Carter smacks Kat in the back of the head*

Carter: Did I ask for smart comments? No...I think asked for a status report! Jorge!? What did I ask for!?

Jorge: A Status report...

Carter: Noble Six? What did I ask for?

Noble Six:...

Carter: That's right! Say nothing...you know nothing anyway!

*Noble Six nods*

Carter: Now...Kat...I will stand where ever I see fit, so I can supervise your work! Now...I ask again...STATUS...REPORT!!!

and stuff goes on, Kat learning the chain of command in the process.

---

They go to Sword base. Instead of sending...two Spartans...ALL of Noble team goes. They activate the AA gun and the comms array and they go back to sword base, and they kill the phantom, and then go to talk with Halsey.

Now...I would change more dialog.

Jorge: Hi Halsey...

Halsey: Jorge...you have modified military grade equipment without authorization.

Jorge: But...

Halsey: No buts...take it off. You are a Spartan II...not one of these dork Spartan IIIs that wear multicolored armor.

*Jorge leaves and puts on REAL Mjolnir Mark V*

Halsey: As for the rest of you...pick a single color and act like a squad. You look like clowns...with all this...multicolored armor...and mix-and-match parts. God...you people suck. Give me the latchkey research and get out of my face!

---

Nightfall mission is the same, except ALL of Noble team goes.

---

Tip of the Spear...that can be skipped because that was a pretty pointless mission.

---

Long Night of Solace...the first half can be skipped. These are Spartans...not Starfox and friends. All of Noble Team gets on a Pelican, flies to the Savanna, and they board the Corvette, and carry out the same plan of the slipspace bomb.

The end cinematic would change.

Jorge: We have bad news. The remote activation thing is damaged. Someone needs to stay behind to activate it.

Jorge looks at a nameless army guy standing in the corner.

Jorge: Private Replaceable....come here for a moment!

Soldier: Private Douglas Replaceable...reporting for duty!

Jorge: Private...I am a Spartan...I am rare, and I cost as much as a small battleship. You, on the other hand, have no family, no loved ones, and your death means nothing. Stay behind and activate this bomb while all the Spartans escape to safety.

Soldier: But sir...

Jorge: Shhh...I am your superior office...and sometimes, when in a position of command, you need to order someone to their death.

---

So far...all of our Spartans are alive and well...

---

So all of Noble Team goes to New Alexandria and do stuff. No major changes through the missions of Exodus.

---

No mission changes in New Alexandria. However...I would change the end cinematic.

*Kat get's shot in the head*

Carter: Leave her you fools! She can serve as food for the brutes to slow them down!

Emile: Good idea boss!

Jorge: Yeah...good idea

Jun: My cooking!

---

The Package changes a bit. You go to the ice cave, find Halsey, but there is no Cortana. Cortana is on the PoA. Your mission is to escort Halsey to safety. Done and done.

At the end of the mission, Noble Team splits up. Jun goes with Halsey somewhere and Jorge, Carter, Emile, and Six decided to try and get to the PoA to help Keyes.

---

The Pillar of Autumn mission starts and you fly the Pelican right to the PoA docking area, but you get shot down by a Phantom just short of your destination. A console explodes in Carters face killing him.

So Emile, Jorge, and Six all try to make a run for it, but they meet a Scarab. Emile gets disintegrated by the Scarab beam and Jorge and Six manage to defeat the Scarab by climbing on some rocks, boarding the Scarab by force, and overloading the core.

So Six and Jorge run to the boneyard, where a Pelican is waiting for them. As they near the Pelican, Several Zealots appear and ambush Six and Jorge.

Jorge is killed in the battle with the Zealots and Six gets wounded.

As Six crawls to the pelican...for dear life...a CCS class cruiser appears in the sky. It begins to charges its laser.

Keyes, being a Captain, understands the concept of "acceptable tactical losses given the circumstance" and he abandons Six and the rescue pelican and escapes Reach.

Six and the Rescue pelican are glassed and killed.

The end.


Some of what you said sounds like it could be a cool idea, but most your post is just plain dumb -.-

Carter would not smack Kat, smacking is not his style, and he wouldn't smack Kat anyway, as they're romantically involved.

And Noble Team went groundside because they picked up the distress beacon.

I don't know what the rest of Noble Team was doing while Six and Kat did their thing at Sword Base, but they certainly weren't sitting on their asses in a Falcon. They're in Sword Base when you get back and fighting Covenant in case you didn't notice and Emilie is trying to clear the skies.

And your dialogue, whether you are joking around or not, is absolutely horrible, it's not even funny, it's just dumb. And actually most of your ideas would contradict canon more than you claim Reach does XD So I'm not even going to remark on the rest of your so called 'improvements'. No Spartan, whether II, III, or even I, would never order someone to their death like that, and Keyes leaving Six behind like you suggested would be completely out of character for him. Keyes would never leave a soldier capable of being saved, like Six in your scenario, to die, especially if it was a Spartan. He especially wouldn't leave a whole Pelican to die if he could help it, you're just being dumb.

I like the idea of boarding the Scarab, but not your idea for killing Carter or Emile, that's just stupid, dumber than of the ways the deaths really happened. Jorge being killed in a fight is not that dumb, and it's how a Spartan would go out anyway. And your idea for Six's death is just horrendously stupid and a piece of crap. The death in the game is five million times better.


This is the reason I still post on threads, people who have common sense.


Thank you :) *bows*
It's always nice to run into people who still argue intelligently and use common sense rather than hanging blindly onto their own idea. I'm willing to listen to the Reach Haters so long as they remain rational, hell, I'll even concede some things that are problematic to them, but nothing's going to convince me that Reach completely destroyed the canon of the whole Haloverse, it made some changes that make much more sense than what a book written 10 years ago that has already had things changed in it said.

  • 03.11.2011 3:51 PM PDT
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All of what I wrote was satire and not intended to be taken seriously. It took the better part of 5 minutes to type that all up.

I could make a WAY better story if I tried.

But you wanna critique work that was INTENDED to be satirical by throwing the stupid schlock background at me? Alright.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Carter would not smack Kat, smacking is not his style, and he wouldn't smack Kat anyway, as they're romantically involved.


Yeah...I know they are romantically involved. I think this is stupid. Like...it's stupid on so many levels. Two Spartans in love...AWWWWWWW...

Two Spartans in Love...the concept boggles the mind. These are high-risk "professionals" that engage in dangerous missions like...everyday. They are super-soldiers. Sorry...there is no room for love.

I could understand if these were two regular marines...I can see how a relationship could form. But...these are Spartans. Like...honestly...Spartans...in Love...that is stupid. Off the top of my head...here is a list of super soldiers that I can think of:

-The Jem'Hadar
-Crackdown Agents
-Ghosts from Starcraft
-The protagonist from Marathon

Like...I am sure there are science fiction series where a super-soldier has fallen in love. But...to apply the concept of love to Spartans in paticular, when they are portrayed as genetically engineered super soldiers who were designed to kill, and only kill...it's stupid. I could accept Dare/Buck because they are regular Joes. But Spartans in love? SCHLOCK!

Posted by: OrderedComa
I don't know what the rest of Noble Team was doing while Six and Kat did their thing at Sword Base, but they certainly weren't sitting on their asses in a Falcon. They're in Sword Base when you get back and fighting Covenant in case you didn't notice and Emilie is trying to clear the skies.


They were sitting on their asses. Why were they not deployed at the start of the mission with Kat and Six? They could have easily been like "OK...LETS SPLIT UP. KAT, SIX...GO THAT WAY"

That didn't happen. They were sitting around. They magically got inside Sword base (they certainly didn't fight past those two Hunters). Perhaps a WIZARD teleported them inside. Yeah...that's it...a wizard did it.

And you say my rendition sucks?

Posted by: OrderedComa
And your dialogue, whether you are joking around or not, is absolutely horrible, it's not even funny, it's just dumb. And actually most of your ideas would contradict canon more than you claim Reach does XD So I'm not even going to remark on the rest of your so called 'improvements'.


PSST...wanna hear a secret...

I wrote it in 5 minutes. If I wanted to waste my time trying to improve this bowel movement that is Halo Reach, I would...BELIEVE ME!

Posted by: OrderedComa
No Spartan, whether II, III, or even I, would never order someone to their death like that, and Keyes leaving Six behind like you suggested would be completely out of character for him.


You obviously have no clue how the military works.

As far as Jorge is concerned...Spartans should not be allowed to sacrifice themselves for something as stupid as a suicide bombing. Jorge should have known this, and this makes him a stupid character. How many Spartan IIs were left at this point? Very few? Jorge should have realized his importance and ordered someone less important to their death.

Ask yourself...if you were a Fleet Admiral...and you had to choose who to sacrifice...between a rare, priceless, and invaluable Spartan II...or a combat engineer? Who would you choose?

Even Forge knew that Spartans were more valuable than marines. Forge was of equal rank to those Spartans, so those Spartans could not pull rank on Forge and order him to do anything, in case you try to use that as an argument. In fact...I think Forge was in command because Cutter placed him in command of the field operations.

But in Reach...Jorge had several privates with him...he could pull rank on them. The fact he didn't means he is irresponsible, reckless, and he doesn't deserve to be in command, and he losses all credibility as a leader and as an intelligent human being. Jorge SHOULD HAVE ordered someone to their death.

I blame the writers...they are not smart and they lack common sense. Perhaps we need a re-write

But Captain Keyes...what a bonehead. See...in reality...Captain keyes is responsible for two things:

1. The safety of his Ship
2. The well being of his crew.

Let's say the PoA had a crew of 1000 people. What is more Valuable...6 Marines and a pelican...or a Warship with 1000 people on it?

Also...Keyes had Latchkey data. So...what is more important?

6 marines, Nobel Six, and a pelican...or a warship, 1000 people, and latchkey data to save the human race (a number in the billions)?

Something tells me...nobody here thinks. Am I talking to human beings...or the missing link? I don't think people are very smart...

Posted by: OrderedComa
I like the idea of boarding the Scarab, but not your idea for killing Carter or Emile, that's just stupid, dumber than of the ways the deaths really happened. Jorge being killed in a fight is not that dumb, and it's how a Spartan would go out anyway. And your idea for Six's death is just horrendously stupid and a piece of crap. The death in the game is five million times better.


Carter died the same way...an explosion killed him. Emile's death would have been very...satisfying from a visual standpoint. Like...watching someone fade away into dust as their atoms are slowly exploding and complete particle reversal is happening right before your eyes. That's epic! Add some screams of pain...and you have an Emmy award winning performance!

As for Noble Six...his original death was being beaten to death. I think if you play some sad music...as Noble Six also suffers from complete particle reversal...that would be a good ending. Keyes can watch him die from the Observation deck with a pair of binoculars.



Although I cannot take the prize for very in-depth writing, as it only took me the good part of 5 minutes to write my re-write...everyone I have shown it to thought it was funny. Even my brother got a laugh...and he is not the biggest Halo guy out there.

But yet again...this is just another example of how much the SCHLOCK, that is the Haloverse, has lowered your standards.

  • 03.11.2011 4:19 PM PDT


Posted by: OrderedComa

Thank you :) *bows*
It's always nice to run into people who still argue intelligently and use common sense rather than hanging blindly onto their own idea. I'm willing to listen to the Reach Haters so long as they remain rational, hell, I'll even concede some things that are problematic to them, but nothing's going to convince me that Reach completely destroyed the canon of the whole Haloverse, it made some changes that make much more sense than what a book written 10 years ago that has already had things changed in it said.


So, I'm not trying to start an argument, and please don't count me in as a "Reach Hater" as you put it. But how didn't Reach destroy canon?

And what part of Reach makes more sense than TFoR?

I love the campaign, I've said this before. It's a great story, the characters are very well developed, and the mood of the story is perfect, but the term 'canon' means that you keep to what you started with. That clearly has not happened. There is no continuity between TFoR and Halo: Reach. Please help me out here. lol.

P.S.

yeah, Crook, I don't know how they took any of that seriously. I loved what you wrote. I found it to be halarious. I got your back, man.

[Edited on 03.11.2011 5:53 PM PST]

  • 03.11.2011 5:52 PM PDT


Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe

Posted by: OrderedComa

Thank you :) *bows*
It's always nice to run into people who still argue intelligently and use common sense rather than hanging blindly onto their own idea. I'm willing to listen to the Reach Haters so long as they remain rational, hell, I'll even concede some things that are problematic to them, but nothing's going to convince me that Reach completely destroyed the canon of the whole Haloverse, it made some changes that make much more sense than what a book written 10 years ago that has already had things changed in it said.


So, I'm not trying to start an argument, and please don't count me in as a "Reach Hater" as you put it. But how didn't Reach destroy canon?

And what part of Reach makes more sense than TFoR?

I love the campaign, I've said this before. It's a great story, the characters are very well developed, and the mood of the story is perfect, but the term 'canon' means that you keep to what you started with. That clearly has not happened. There is no continuity between TFoR and Halo: Reach. Please help me out here. lol.

P.S.

yeah, Crook, I don't know how they took any of that seriously. I loved what you wrote. I found it to be halarious. I got your back, man.


I'm not saying it didn't change things up a bit, all I'm saying is that I don't think it destroyed canon, I find that claim to be very much an over-reaction and acting like a bit of a drama queen. I don't really use "Reach Hater" as a concrete term, I mainly just refer to the people who don't seem to like Reach at all and won't even give it the time of day, so to speak. All I've seen from you so far wouldn't make you a "Reach Hater", it sounds like you really like it, but have a few problems with it. I don't think it's perfect either, but I overlook little things that haven't quite been smoothed yet and try to kinda of keep an open mind concerning the matter.

The length of the battle, I think it makes more sense in having the UNSC last longer than a couple of hours. Haha, I mean this is freakin' Reach we're talking about here, you know. I don't think it made much sense in TFoR because the odds were just about the same as every other battle we've seen, especially if you take into account the SMACs, and great military commanders like Keyes. Using common sense of what we've been told before it just doesn't make much sense to me to have Reach pretty much fall in a little under two hours.

Actually I think canon usually means what is and is not true and a part of the lore or religion. Like for most of Christianity only the books in the average Bible are canon and anything else extra is not. At least that's my understanding, more or less, of the meaning to "canon".
In the case of Halo it'd be whatever Bungie/343 says is a true part of the story, and since they've said that Reach and TFoR are canon and thus equally true.

It's all a matter of perspective really on how it meshes, it can, you just have to kinda work around any complaints about it seemingly not meshing first, if you're willing to at least entertain the idea that Reach and TFoR fit together then it should be easy to figure out a way for them to mesh. The only real snag is figuring out the sequence of events, because they can all still happen, it's just a matter of ironing out the order and sequence.

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Posted by: Naked Crook
All of what I wrote was satire and not intended to be taken seriously. It took the better part of 5 minutes to type that all up.

I could make a WAY better story if I tried.

But you wanna critique work that was INTENDED to be satirical by throwing the stupid schlock background at me? Alright.

Posted by: OrderedComa
Carter would not smack Kat, smacking is not his style, and he wouldn't smack Kat anyway, as they're romantically involved.


Yeah...I know they are romantically involved. I think this is stupid. Like...it's stupid on so many levels. Two Spartans in love...AWWWWWWW...

Two Spartans in Love...the concept boggles the mind. These are high-risk "professionals" that engage in dangerous missions like...everyday. They are super-soldiers. Sorry...there is no room for love.

I could understand if these were two regular marines...I can see how a relationship could form. But...these are Spartans. Like...honestly...Spartans...in Love...that is stupid. Off the top of my head...here is a list of super soldiers that I can think of:

-The Jem'Hadar
-Crackdown Agents
-Ghosts from Starcraft
-The protagonist from Marathon

Like...I am sure there are science fiction series where a super-soldier has fallen in love. But...to apply the concept of love to Spartans in paticular, when they are portrayed as genetically engineered super soldiers who were designed to kill, and only kill...it's stupid. I could accept Dare/Buck because they are regular Joes. But Spartans in love? SCHLOCK!

Posted by: OrderedComa
I don't know what the rest of Noble Team was doing while Six and Kat did their thing at Sword Base, but they certainly weren't sitting on their asses in a Falcon. They're in Sword Base when you get back and fighting Covenant in case you didn't notice and Emilie is trying to clear the skies.


They were sitting on their asses. Why were they not deployed at the start of the mission with Kat and Six? They could have easily been like "OK...LETS SPLIT UP. KAT, SIX...GO THAT WAY"

That didn't happen. They were sitting around. They magically got inside Sword base (they certainly didn't fight past those two Hunters). Perhaps a WIZARD teleported them inside. Yeah...that's it...a wizard did it.

And you say my rendition sucks?

Posted by: OrderedComa
And your dialogue, whether you are joking around or not, is absolutely horrible, it's not even funny, it's just dumb. And actually most of your ideas would contradict canon more than you claim Reach does XD So I'm not even going to remark on the rest of your so called 'improvements'.


PSST...wanna hear a secret...

I wrote it in 5 minutes. If I wanted to waste my time trying to improve this bowel movement that is Halo Reach, I would...BELIEVE ME!

Posted by: OrderedComa
No Spartan, whether II, III, or even I, would never order someone to their death like that, and Keyes leaving Six behind like you suggested would be completely out of character for him.


You obviously have no clue how the military works.

As far as Jorge is concerned...Spartans should not be allowed to sacrifice themselves for something as stupid as a suicide bombing. Jorge should have known this, and this makes him a stupid character. How many Spartan IIs were left at this point? Very few? Jorge should have realized his importance and ordered someone less important to their death.

Ask yourself...if you were a Fleet Admiral...and you had to choose who to sacrifice...between a rare, priceless, and invaluable Spartan II...or a combat engineer? Who would you choose?

Even Forge knew that Spartans were more valuable than marines. Forge was of equal rank to those Spartans, so those Spartans could not pull rank on Forge and order him to do anything, in case you try to use that as an argument. In fact...I think Forge was in command because Cutter placed him in command of the field operations.

But in Reach...Jorge had several privates with him...he could pull rank on them. The fact he didn't means he is irresponsible, reckless, and he doesn't deserve to be in command, and he losses all credibility as a leader and as an intelligent human being. Jorge SHOULD HAVE ordered someone to their death.

I blame the writers...they are not smart and they lack common sense. Perhaps we need a re-write

But Captain Keyes...what a bonehead. See...in reality...Captain keyes is responsible for two things:

1. The safety of his Ship
2. The well being of his crew.

Let's say the PoA had a crew of 1000 people. What is more Valuable...6 Marines and a pelican...or a Warship with 1000 people on it?

Also...Keyes had Latchkey data. So...what is more important?

6 marines, Nobel Six, and a pelican...or a warship, 1000 people, and latchkey data to save the human race (a number in the billions)?

Something tells me...nobody here thinks. Am I talking to human beings...or the missing link? I don't think people are very smart...

Posted by: OrderedComa
I like the idea of boarding the Scarab, but not your idea for killing Carter or Emile, that's just stupid, dumber than of the ways the deaths really happened. Jorge being killed in a fight is not that dumb, and it's how a Spartan would go out anyway. And your idea for Six's death is just horrendously stupid and a piece of crap. The death in the game is five million times better.


Carter died the same way...an explosion killed him. Emile's death would have been very...satisfying from a visual standpoint. Like...watching someone fade away into dust as their atoms are slowly exploding and complete particle reversal is happening right before your eyes. That's epic! Add some screams of pain...and you have an Emmy award winning performance!

As for Noble Six...his original death was being beaten to death. I think if you play some sad music...as Noble Six also suffers from complete particle reversal...that would be a good ending. Keyes can watch him die from the Observation deck with a pair of binoculars.



Although I cannot take the prize for very in-depth writing, as it only took me the good part of 5 minutes to write my re-write...everyone I have shown it to thought it was funny. Even my brother got a laugh...and he is not the biggest Halo guy out there.

But yet again...this is just another example of how much the SCHLOCK, that is the Haloverse, has lowered your standards.


You sound like a liberal, I mean a "smart" person. Listen, I read the thing, you didn't say it was satire at first which is why some of us took it seriously. Your point of Spartans not loving each other is proven false when you look at Black team, two members fell in love. Noble did split up, if you listen Carter says that Jorge and Emile are to be dropped off next. Jorge died because the Marines were killed off at that point and there still other Spartans around in full strength and he didn't have a choice. Also, most of us think before we post, and you sound like a liberal because you constantly assume that you are the only thinking person "in the room", so you are automatically right. Keyes landed to get the other half of Cortana, and to pick up any surviving UNSC personnel that were trying to get off-planet. If I missed anything, let me know.

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@Caaaarrrl

I am the only person who thinks. When did I ever say I was a liberal? How can you assume I am a liberal? Is it a bad thing to be a liberal? So all liberals act like I do? Are you stereotyping? Stereotyping me like everyone here stereotypes Brutes as being savage beasts? Racist stereotyping is a way of life for you people...isn't it?

Perhaps I am a Conservative? Ever think about that...

See...nobody thinks...

And yes...Spartans in love is stupid. Black team was a group of Spartan II's...they don't even have sex drives (So far as I have been told by someone here on Bungie Universe), and with no sex drive you have no hormones, and with no hormones, you don't have that voice in your head telling you that you like that other girl/guy...

See what I mean? Spartans in love is a stupid concept!

Why is everyone stupid?

Ever heard the old saying there are more stupid people in the world than there are smart people?

When I finished that mission where Jorge died...there were still two army dudes alive. They could have even cheated and spawned some army guys in the cinematic.

Why isn't anything making sense?

Why was Cortana split in two? Why don't they just get a whole, intact SMART AI to analyze the Forerunner thing and leave Cortana on the PoA?

Who is writing these stories? Show yourself so we can expose you as the hack you are!

Also...it was pretty obvious my first post was satire. Anyone could have figured that out when Carter smacked Kat in the head. I know this is not something Spartans do.

I bet you think the Scary Movie franchise isn't satire either.

@Thugzz Deluxxxe

Thanks bro, good to know someone figured out where I was coming from. Good to know someone knew I was joking around.

Props to you good sir...props to you

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@ Naked Crook

I just said you sound like one with your arguments. You constantly assume we're stupid, don't know when someone is calling you a liberal or saying you sound like one, and you insult us. You act so superior, it makes me sick. Also, I've talked with many liberals/liberal supporters, and heard others on the news. What they say sounds so stupid and illogical that I have to resist the urge to blow my head off my shoulders with a shotgun. They always talk about one thing and don't directly answer questions on another, they act like their geniuses when they say things that contain no proof or sense. I don't stereotype, I call them by experience, not ignorance. I'm sorry if I've offended you, I was just trying to get my point across. Also, how 'bout we stop arguing? I'm kind of tired of it.

  • 03.12.2011 12:58 PM PDT

Posted By: Naked Crook
All of what I wrote was satire and not intended to be taken seriously. It took the better part of 5 minutes to type that all up.

I could make a WAY better story if I tried.

But you wanna critique work that was INTENDED to be satirical by throwing the stupid schlock background at me? Alright.


Well then, I think you need to work on your satire my friend, it was not very obvious, and actually not even funny. I'll believe you can make a better story when I see it, I don't doubt you could, but you can claim pretty much anything about yourself on the internet and there's not much people can do to disprove it.

Yeah...I know they are romantically involved. I think this is stupid. Like...it's stupid on so many levels. Two Spartans in love...AWWWWWWW...

Two Spartans in Love...the concept boggles the mind. These are high-risk "professionals" that engage in dangerous missions like...everyday. They are super-soldiers. Sorry...there is no room for love.

I could understand if these were two regular marines...I can see how a relationship could form. But...these are Spartans. Like...honestly...Spartans...in Love...that is stupid. Off the top of my head...here is a list of super soldiers that I can think of:

-The Jem'Hadar
-Crackdown Agents
-Ghosts from Starcraft
-The protagonist from Marathon

Like...I am sure there are science fiction series where a super-soldier has fallen in love. But...to apply the concept of love to Spartans in paticular, when they are portrayed as genetically engineered super soldiers who were designed to kill, and only kill...it's stupid. I could accept Dare/Buck because they are regular Joes. But Spartans in love? SCHLOCK!


Spartans are human like everybody else, and thus will be prone to the full range of human emotion, for the IIs sure, it would seem a little more odd for them to have romantic feelings toward each other or someone else. But the IIIs pretty much had a completely different program, their training was very little like the IIs. And the IIIs are much more like a standard army mook in attitude. They are much less...restrained, than the Spartan IIs.

"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means." And whatever you have applied the word "schlock" to so far has not been by any stretch of the imagination, you are only saying it is because you don't like it.

They were sitting on their asses. Why were they not deployed at the start of the mission with Kat and Six? They could have easily been like "OK...LETS SPLIT UP. KAT, SIX...GO THAT WAY"

That didn't happen. They were sitting around. They magically got inside Sword base (they certainly didn't fight past those two Hunters). Perhaps a WIZARD teleported them inside. Yeah...that's it...a wizard did it.

And you say my rendition sucks?


I just watched the cutscene again, they were splitting up to concentrate on different areas. Carter says "Kat, Six, you're out here, Emile and Jorge, you're next, get prepped." So you either missed it, or are willfully ignoring it.

No no, wizards don't do things in Halo, it's always ONI, maybe they have wizards at their disposal (wouldn't put it past them), but ONI is the "wizard did it" for Halo XD haha.

You obviously have no clue how the military works.

As far as Jorge is concerned...Spartans should not be allowed to sacrifice themselves for something as stupid as a suicide bombing. Jorge should have known this, and this makes him a stupid character. How many Spartan IIs were left at this point? Very few? Jorge should have realized his importance and ordered someone less important to their death.

Ask yourself...if you were a Fleet Admiral...and you had to choose who to sacrifice...between a rare, priceless, and invaluable Spartan II...or a combat engineer? Who would you choose?

Even Forge knew that Spartans were more valuable than marines. Forge was of equal rank to those Spartans, so those Spartans could not pull rank on Forge and order him to do anything, in case you try to use that as an argument. In fact...I think Forge was in command because Cutter placed him in command of the field operations.

But in Reach...Jorge had several privates with him...he could pull rank on them. The fact he didn't means he is irresponsible, reckless, and he doesn't deserve to be in command, and he losses all credibility as a leader and as an intelligent human being. Jorge SHOULD HAVE ordered someone to their death.


I understand a great deal about the military and how it works, and more importantly I understand humanity as a whole, and unless someone is a heartless monster, a commander would not abandon anyone he can save or purposefully send anyone to their deaths. And ordering someone to die is not at all what a Spartan would do, it is completely contrary to their nature and all they are, they are the defenders of humanity, they're not going to order someone to their death.

And there were not any marines remaining, if there were you would have seen them. The only setting the marines survive to the end would be anything below Heroic, sometimes they might survive to the end on Heroic, but it's not likely. And to keep one alive to the end on Legendary you'd have to be pretty much a freakin' god of video gaming.

I blame the writers...they are not smart and they lack common sense. Perhaps we need a re-write. Something tells me...nobody here thinks.

Am I talking to human beings...or the missing link? I don't think people are very smart...


You, sir, are one arrogant piece of work. -.-
Probably the most arrogant person I've seen on here.
Just because someone does not agree with you does not mean they are automatically wrong and don't think. -.-

But Captain Keyes...what a bonehead. See...in reality...Captain keyes is responsible for two things:

1. The safety of his Ship
2. The well being of his crew.

Let's say the PoA had a crew of 1000 people. What is more Valuable...6 Marines and a pelican...or a Warship with 1000 people on it?

Also...Keyes had Latchkey data. So...what is more important?

6 marines, Nobel Six, and a pelican...or a warship, 1000 people, and latchkey data to save the human race (a number in the billions)?


I'm not talking about being able to save Six in the game, I am talking about in your dumb satire scenario. And actually, if it was already glassing, the Autumn would done for anyway, that's the whole reason they needed someone in the gun in the first place and why if you let the ship start glassing you have to start the checkpoint over, both Six and the Autumn are cooked.

Carter died the same way...an explosion killed him. Emile's death would have been very...satisfying from a visual standpoint. Like...watching someone fade away into dust as their atoms are slowly exploding and complete particle reversal is happening right before your eyes. That's epic! Add some screams of pain...and you have an Emmy award winning performance!

As for Noble Six...his original death was being beaten to death. I think if you play some sad music...as Noble Six also suffers from complete particle reversal...that would be a good ending. Keyes can watch him die from the Observation deck with a pair of binoculars.


No it would not be dying the same way, dying from an exploding control panel would be lame, hell a control panel exploding couldn't even kill someone. And Bungie would never do something like what you suggest for Emile, it's too graphic for Bungie's style.

Six wasn't beaten to death, she got stabbed by an energy sword after killing an ass load of Elites and going down fighting, probably still even fighting off the one wielding the energy sword as best she could. Gosh, you make Keyes sound like some sort of sadistic bastard, why would he watch Six die, the only sort of death Heroes watch is the death of the villain, or having an emotional moment with someone as they die.

Although I cannot take the prize for very in-depth writing, as it only took me the good part of 5 minutes to write my re-write...everyone I have shown it to thought it was funny. Even my brother got a laugh...and he is not the biggest Halo guy out there.

But yet again...this is just another example of how much the SCHLOCK, that is the Haloverse, has lowered your standards.


I didn't find it funny though, I know now that it was meant to be satire, but I still don't find it funny, it just sounds dumb still.

Halo has nothing to do with my standards on what's funny, even if your satire wasn't about Halo I still don't see anything funny to it, I would still probably find it just dumb.

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Spartans are human like everybody else, and thus will be prone to the full range of human emotion, for the IIs sure, it would seem a little more odd for them to have romantic feelings toward each other or someone else. But the IIIs pretty much had a completely different program, their training was very little like the IIs. And the IIIs are much more like a standard army mook in attitude. They are much less...restrained, than the Spartan IIs.

"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means." And whatever you have applied the word "schlock" to so far has not been by any stretch of the imagination, you are only saying it is because you don't like it.


Schlock: To be of inferior or substandard quality

I know what it means. There is a reason I use that word.

But Spartan IIIs are tools, pieces of equipment at least. I don't even think they have rights. They may very well be indentured servants of the UNSC.

Posted by: Halopedian.com
The SPARTAN-III program was a project initiated by the Beta-5 Division of the Office of Naval Intelligence's Section-III in order to produce cheap and expendable super soldiers to fight for the survival of humanity and the United Nations Space Command's colonies.


Expendable you say? Cheap you say? Sounds like Spartan IIIs don't have very many rights. "Defense of colonies" sounds like a comfortable euphemism for slave or servant.

Dude, why can you not see how Spartans in love is stupid? Think about it. Carter is the commander of his squad. As a leader, he should be able to keep objectivity and keep business and pleasure separate. In fact, knowing he is a Spartan III...he should realize there is no room for pleasure.

You see, in the Military, people can become EMOTIONALLY COMPROMISED. This means they are no longer able to function within the normal parameters of their job because their personal feelings are in the way. This is why the Military preaches emotional detachment into all of their soldiers. The ones that prove strong enough to be able to detach themselves from their feelings are the ones who turn into the leaders. How did Carter get the job? ONI should have stepped in.

Lets roll with Spartans in love for a sec.

Why do I think this is such a stupid idea? Because...it could have very well cost the lives of almost everyone on Nobel Team. I am talking about Carter, Emile, Jorge, and Six.

Why wasn't Kat on the mission to blow up the Super Carrier? Her expertise in mechanics would have proved quite handy in repairing the remote detonator. Did Carter hold her back because he didn't want to send his beloved on a dangerous mission? Why was a tech expert NOT where the most important piece of technology was? Jorge died because of this oversight. Although I could argue about Jorge being stupid and killing himself for nothing (because he died for nothing)...and you could argue that Kat was busy on the surface helping with evac...but...then...why send Six to the Corvette? Six could have changed places with Kat. Kat and Jorge could have done the Corvette business, and Six could have helped with Evac.

But there is more...

Carter committed suicide. I believe he was even more emotionally compromised after Kat's death. Why do I say this? Well...why did he Order Emile and Six to evacuate the Pelican in the last mission? You might say the Pelican was damaged. I say bullocks because 30 minutes later...that Pelican was still being shot and it was still in the air. Carter could have zipped Emile, Six, and himself right to the PoA hanger bay and evacuate.

But there is more.

Carter refused to accept the suggestion for medical treatment for his injuries. He was refusing medical treatment. He must have been emotionally and psychologically disturbed by either Kat's death and/or the events of Reach. Either way...he is a bad leader.

He lets his emotions get in the way, he jeopardizes the mission, makes bad decisions, and poorly organizes his team. I blame this on those schlock books and the terrible writers. Nobody knows anything about they are writing about. They wanted to add a love story, but ignore the ramifications of such an arc. That is called poor writing.

See why I call the story schlock? It's all schlock.

See what I mean when I say people are stupid?

Posted by: OrderedComa
I'm not talking about being able to save Six in the game, I am talking about in your dumb satire scenario. And actually, if it was already glassing, the Autumn would done for anyway, that's the whole reason they needed someone in the gun in the first place and why if you let the ship start glassing you have to start the checkpoint over, both Six and the Autumn are cooked.


In my scenario, Keyes puts the safety of his ship over the life of an expendable Spartan and several army guys. Look back at the Halopedian quote. A Pelican with six guys...so? A bunch of Marines watched a civilian ship with 600 people in it get shot into the ocean. They didn't even send rescue teams. You know why? 6000 evacuating civilians needed their protection to escape. There could have been survivors among those 600...but someone, a leader, a commander, someone who understands emotional detachment and acceptable tactical losses, made the decision that the needs of the many are of top priority. I could totally see Keyes leaving N-Six and a Pelican with six guys in it behind to save his crew of 1000 people, not to mention Masterchief...A Spartan II

Posted by: OrderedComa
Gosh, you make Keyes sound like some sort of sadistic bastard, why would he watch Six die, the only sort of death Heroes watch is the death of the villain, or having an emotional moment with someone as they die.


You make Keyes sound like a pansy. He could watch Six die and be like "God's Speed..."

Why would it be sadistic? Doesn't have to be. Another example of people not thinking.

Posted by: OrderedComa
And Bungie would never do something like what you suggest for Emile, it's too graphic for Bungie's style.


Halo Reach is rated M for mature. Hundreds of people die every mission...from being mercilessly gunned down to exploded by grenades and rockets. Someone getting vaporized is too graphic? It's actually a painless death. No blood, no remains.

When you shoot someone, their blood goes all over the place.

Common dude...THINK...THINKING IS GOOD!

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I like to play Devil's Advocate

Okay....


Why is this the first time that I am hearing that Carter and Kat were lovers?

I know for sure they're actions in Reach didn't show it....or imply it for that matter.


In fact....When Kat died, Carter just brushes it off...Like nothing ever happened...

In fact....It's only JUN who actually seems to give a Hoot about the fact that Kat just died.

So if there was a relationship...I didn't see it.


But while we're on the topic, let's look at Buck and Dare, and how they're relationship was handled




First Cutscene...You can tell that these 2 know each other....

Tayari Plaza....In that One conversation, you can conclude that

- They had a thing

- Buck broke up with Dare upon realizing that she was a Spook

- That like any relationship....There were obstacles (ie many secrets)


Data Hive....just looking at Buck's armor, you can tell Buck went through hell just to save Dare.


Coastal Highway....It is implied that Dare and Buck escaped Reach together...or at least, were both on Reach



Did George Lucas write Reach or something?

  • 03.12.2011 7:01 PM PDT

Posted By: Naked Crook
I am the only person who thinks. When did I ever say I was a liberal? How can you assume I am a liberal? Is it a bad thing to be a liberal? So all liberals act like I do? Are you stereotyping? Stereotyping me like everyone here stereotypes Brutes as being savage beasts? Racist stereotyping is a way of life for you people...isn't it?

Perhaps I am a Conservative? Ever think about that...

See...nobody thinks...


The sheer arrogance, it burns my eyes! XD

Caaaarrrl only said you sound like one, he didn't say you were one. And Brutes are savages, that's what the readers are supposed to think about them.

And yes...Spartans in love is stupid. Black team was a group of Spartan II's...they don't even have sex drives (So far as I have been told by someone here on Bungie Universe), and with no sex drive you have no hormones, and with no hormones, you don't have that voice in your head telling you that you like that other girl/guy...

Whoever said they don't have sex drives is probably not right. What TFoR said was that one of the drugs that was used in augmentation for the SIIs had a high possibility of extremely reducing their sex drive as a negative side affect. Even if they did suffer from said side affect they would still have a sex drive, it would just be reduced, how much it didn't say. If they had no hormones then there wouldn't be any male or female Spartans, they'd all be aseckual things with no gender whatsoever.

See what I mean? Spartans in love is a stupid concept!
Why is everyone stupid?

Ever heard the old saying there are more stupid people in the world than there are smart people?


Lay off the arrogance, buddy, it's getting really old really fast. You're only going to make things worse acting like this.

When I finished that mission where Jorge died...there were still two army dudes alive. They could have even cheated and spawned some army guys in the cinematic.

So? I've had friendlies still with me other times in Halo when Chief or Arbiter is supposed to be by himself. Like when you kill Regret in Halo 2, Chief is by himself in the cutscene, and the first time I played I still had one or two guys with me at the end.

Why was Cortana split in two? Why don't they just get a whole, intact SMART AI to analyze the Forerunner thing and leave Cortana on the PoA?

Because Cortana is the smartest "smart" AI the UNSC has, and because having it be just some random old AI would be boring.

Who is writing these stories? Show yourself so we can expose you as the hack you are!

-.- Your OPINION is not fact, or even law, it is only your opinion. Honestly why do you even get Halo stuff if you're just going to disagree with everything the writers want to put in their own story and say it's stupid?

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Posted by: Naked Crook
Posted by: OrderedComa
Spartans are human like everybody else, and thus will be prone to the full range of human emotion, for the IIs sure, it would seem a little more odd for them to have romantic feelings toward each other or someone else. But the IIIs pretty much had a completely different program, their training was very little like the IIs. And the IIIs are much more like a standard army mook in attitude. They are much less...restrained, than the Spartan IIs.

"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means." And whatever you have applied the word "schlock" to so far has not been by any stretch of the imagination, you are only saying it is because you don't like it.


Schlock: To be of inferior or substandard quality

I know what it means. There is a reason I use that word.

But Spartan IIIs are tools, pieces of equipment at least. I don't even think they have rights. They may very well be indentured servants of the UNSC.

Posted by: Halopedian.com
The SPARTAN-III program was a project initiated by the Beta-5 Division of the Office of Naval Intelligence's Section-III in order to produce cheap and expendable super soldiers to fight for the survival of humanity and the United Nations Space Command's colonies.


Expendable you say? Cheap you say? Sounds like Spartan IIIs don't have very many rights. "Defense of colonies" sounds like a comfortable euphemism for slave or servant.

Dude, why can you not see how Spartans in love is stupid? Think about it. Carter is the commander of his squad. As a leader, he should be able to keep objectivity and keep business and pleasure separate. In fact, knowing he is a Spartan III...he should realize there is no room for pleasure.

You see, in the Military, people can become EMOTIONALLY COMPROMISED. This means they are no longer able to function within the normal parameters of their job because their personal feelings are in the way. This is why the Military preaches emotional detachment into all of their soldiers. The ones that prove strong enough to be able to detach themselves from their feelings are the ones who turn into the leaders. How did Carter get the job? ONI should have stepped in.

Lets roll with Spartans in love for a sec.

Why do I think this is such a stupid idea? Because...it could have very well cost the lives of almost everyone on Nobel Team. I am talking about Carter, Emile, Jorge, and Six.

Why wasn't Kat on the mission to blow up the Super Carrier? Her expertise in mechanics would have proved quite handy in repairing the remote detonator. Did Carter hold her back because he didn't want to send his beloved on a dangerous mission? Why was a tech expert NOT where the most important piece of technology was? Jorge died because of this oversight. Although I could argue about Jorge being stupid and killing himself for nothing (because he died for nothing)...and you could argue that Kat was busy on the surface helping with evac...but...then...why send Six to the Corvette? Six could have changed places with Kat. Kat and Jorge could have done the Corvette business, and Six could have helped with Evac.

But there is more...

Carter committed suicide. I believe he was even more emotionally compromised after Kat's death. Why do I say this? Well...why did he Order Emile and Six to evacuate the Pelican in the last mission? You might say the Pelican was damaged. I say bullocks because 30 minutes later...that Pelican was still being shot and it was still in the air. Carter could have zipped Emile, Six, and himself right to the PoA hanger bay and evacuate.

But there is more.

Carter refused to accept the suggestion for medical treatment for his injuries. He was refusing medical treatment. He must have been emotionally and psychologically disturbed by either Kat's death and/or the events of Reach. Either way...he is a bad leader.

He lets his emotions get in the way, he jeopardizes the mission, makes bad decisions, and poorly organizes his team. I blame this on those schlock books and the terrible writers. Nobody knows anything about they are writing about. They wanted to add a love story, but ignore the ramifications of such an arc. That is called poor writing.

See why I call the story schlock? It's all schlock.

See what I mean when I say people are stupid?

Posted by: OrderedComa
I'm not talking about being able to save Six in the game, I am talking about in your dumb satire scenario. And actually, if it was already glassing, the Autumn would done for anyway, that's the whole reason they needed someone in the gun in the first place and why if you let the ship start glassing you have to start the checkpoint over, both Six and the Autumn are cooked.


In my scenario, Keyes puts the safety of his ship over the life of an expendable Spartan and several army guys. Look back at the Halopedian quote. A Pelican with six guys...so? A bunch of Marines watched a civilian ship with 600 people in it get shot into the ocean. They didn't even send rescue teams. You know why? 6000 evacuating civilians needed their protection to escape. There could have been survivors among those 600...but someone, a leader, a commander, someone who understands emotional detachment and acceptable tactical losses, made the decision that the needs of the many are of top priority. I could totally see Keyes leaving N-Six and a Pelican with six guys in it behind to save his crew of 1000 people, not to mention Masterchief...A Spartan II

Posted by: OrderedComa
Gosh, you make Keyes sound like some sort of sadistic bastard, why would he watch Six die, the only sort of death Heroes watch is the death of the villain, or having an emotional moment with someone as they die.


You make Keyes sound like a pansy. He could watch Six die and be like "God's Speed..."

Why would it be sadistic? Doesn't have to be. Another example of people not thinking.

Posted by: OrderedComa
And Bungie would never do something like what you suggest for Emile, it's too graphic for Bungie's style.


Halo Reach is rated M for mature. Hundreds of people die every mission...from being mercilessly gunned down to exploded by grenades and rockets. Someone getting vaporized is too graphic? It's actually a painless death. No blood, no remains.

When you shoot someone, their blood goes all over the place.

Common dude...THINK...THINKING IS GOOD!


He is thinking, just not from your perspective. I admit that the LNoS mission would have been better if Kat went in Six's place, but what's done is done. Carter didn't commit suicide, he sacrificed himself so Emile and Six could continue on towards the PoA. Keyes would have tried to save Six regardless of what is at stake because Six had Cortana's other half and Keyes has a risky streak. The vaporization should be allowed, I am agreeing with you on this part, because it just sounds pretty awesome. That's all I have to say for now.

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Posted by: Naked Crook
Posted by: OrderedComa
Spartans are human like everybody else, and thus will be prone to the full range of human emotion, for the IIs sure, it would seem a little more odd for them to have romantic feelings toward each other or someone else. But the IIIs pretty much had a completely different program, their training was very little like the IIs. And the IIIs are much more like a standard army mook in attitude. They are much less...restrained, than the Spartan IIs.

"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means." And whatever you have applied the word "schlock" to so far has not been by any stretch of the imagination, you are only saying it is because you don't like it.


Schlock: To be of inferior or substandard quality

I know what it means. There is a reason I use that word.

But Spartan IIIs are tools, pieces of equipment at least. I don't even think they have rights. They may very well be indentured servants of the UNSC.

Posted by: Halopedian.com
The SPARTAN-III program was a project initiated by the Beta-5 Division of the Office of Naval Intelligence's Section-III in order to produce cheap and expendable super soldiers to fight for the survival of humanity and the United Nations Space Command's colonies.


Expendable you say? Cheap you say? Sounds like Spartan IIIs don't have very many rights. "Defense of colonies" sounds like a comfortable euphemism for slave or servant.

Dude, why can you not see how Spartans in love is stupid? Think about it. Carter is the commander of his squad. As a leader, he should be able to keep objectivity and keep business and pleasure separate. In fact, knowing he is a Spartan III...he should realize there is no room for pleasure.

You see, in the Military, people can become EMOTIONALLY COMPROMISED. This means they are no longer able to function within the normal parameters of their job because their personal feelings are in the way. This is why the Military preaches emotional detachment into all of their soldiers. The ones that prove strong enough to be able to detach themselves from their feelings are the ones who turn into the leaders. How did Carter get the job? ONI should have stepped in.

Lets roll with Spartans in love for a sec.

Why do I think this is such a stupid idea? Because...it could have very well cost the lives of almost everyone on Nobel Team. I am talking about Carter, Emile, Jorge, and Six.

Why wasn't Kat on the mission to blow up the Super Carrier? Her expertise in mechanics would have proved quite handy in repairing the remote detonator. Did Carter hold her back because he didn't want to send his beloved on a dangerous mission? Why was a tech expert NOT where the most important piece of technology was? Jorge died because of this oversight. Although I could argue about Jorge being stupid and killing himself for nothing (because he died for nothing)...and you could argue that Kat was busy on the surface helping with evac...but...then...why send Six to the Corvette? Six could have changed places with Kat. Kat and Jorge could have done the Corvette business, and Six could have helped with Evac.

But there is more...

Carter committed suicide. I believe he was even more emotionally compromised after Kat's death. Why do I say this? Well...why did he Order Emile and Six to evacuate the Pelican in the last mission? You might say the Pelican was damaged. I say bullocks because 30 minutes later...that Pelican was still being shot and it was still in the air. Carter could have zipped Emile, Six, and himself right to the PoA hanger bay and evacuate.

But there is more.

Carter refused to accept the suggestion for medical treatment for his injuries. He was refusing medical treatment. He must have been emotionally and psychologically disturbed by either Kat's death and/or the events of Reach. Either way...he is a bad leader.

He lets his emotions get in the way, he jeopardizes the mission, makes bad decisions, and poorly organizes his team. I blame this on those schlock books and the terrible writers. Nobody knows anything about they are writing about. They wanted to add a love story, but ignore the ramifications of such an arc. That is called poor writing.

See why I call the story schlock? It's all schlock.

See what I mean when I say people are stupid?

Posted by: OrderedComa
I'm not talking about being able to save Six in the game, I am talking about in your dumb satire scenario. And actually, if it was already glassing, the Autumn would done for anyway, that's the whole reason they needed someone in the gun in the first place and why if you let the ship start glassing you have to start the checkpoint over, both Six and the Autumn are cooked.


In my scenario, Keyes puts the safety of his ship over the life of an expendable Spartan and several army guys. Look back at the Halopedian quote. A Pelican with six guys...so? A bunch of Marines watched a civilian ship with 600 people in it get shot into the ocean. They didn't even send rescue teams. You know why? 6000 evacuating civilians needed their protection to escape. There could have been survivors among those 600...but someone, a leader, a commander, someone who understands emotional detachment and acceptable tactical losses, made the decision that the needs of the many are of top priority. I could totally see Keyes leaving N-Six and a Pelican with six guys in it behind to save his crew of 1000 people, not to mention Masterchief...A Spartan II

Posted by: OrderedComa
Gosh, you make Keyes sound like some sort of sadistic bastard, why would he watch Six die, the only sort of death Heroes watch is the death of the villain, or having an emotional moment with someone as they die.


You make Keyes sound like a pansy. He could watch Six die and be like "God's Speed..."

Why would it be sadistic? Doesn't have to be. Another example of people not thinking.

Posted by: OrderedComa
And Bungie would never do something like what you suggest for Emile, it's too graphic for Bungie's style.


Halo Reach is rated M for mature. Hundreds of people die every mission...from being mercilessly gunned down to exploded by grenades and rockets. Someone getting vaporized is too graphic? It's actually a painless death. No blood, no remains.

When you shoot someone, their blood goes all over the place.

Common dude...THINK...THINKING IS GOOD!


He is thinking, just not from your perspective. I admit that the LNoS mission would have been better if Kat went in Six's place, but what's done is done. Carter didn't commit suicide, he sacrificed himself so Emile and Six could continue on towards the PoA. Keyes would have tried to save Six regardless of what is at stake because Six had Cortana's other half and Keyes has a risky streak. The vaporization should be allowed, I am agreeing with you on this part, because it just sounds pretty awesome. That's all I have to say for now.


I agree, having Kat go up with Six and Jorge would make sense, but I don't really see a need for Kat to be there, until the timer got fried it was pretty much just "board ship, plant 'bomb', set timer and then escape".

I definitely agree with you about Keyes, he wouldn't leave his soldiers behind unless he absolutely couldn't extract them, like with Red Team. And if the Covie ship would be glassing Six, then the PoA would be toast, it can fly in atmo, but it isn't designed to be an atmospheric ship like the Frigates and thus would have no way to avoid the glassing beam, and you saw how slowly it got up off the ground and got going, there's no way it would be able to escape in time either.

  • 03.13.2011 11:58 AM PDT

Posted By: Naked Crook
Schlock: To be of inferior or substandard quality

I know what it means. There is a reason I use that word.

But Spartan IIIs are tools, pieces of equipment at least. I don't even think they have rights. They may very well be indentured servants of the UNSC.

Expendable you say? Cheap you say? Sounds like Spartan IIIs don't have very many rights. "Defense of colonies" sounds like a comfortable euphemism for slave or servant.


Then, by the definition of the word, you are not using it properly. You are using it to describe anything you don't like, and while it applies to some of what you have used it to describe, others, it simply does not.

Actually, aside from the whole suicide mission thing, the IIIs were better off in a way than the IIs, they actually had a choice in whether to join the Spartan program or not.

Expendable and cheap both meaning here, something that won't be a horrible loss if they die, unlike the Spartan IIs which cost just about as much as a fully functional warship and were thus extremely valuable.

Dude, why can you not see how Spartans in love is stupid? Think about it. Carter is the commander of his squad. As a leader, he should be able to keep objectivity and keep business and pleasure separate. In fact, knowing he is a Spartan III...he should realize there is no room for pleasure.

You see, in the Military, people can become EMOTIONALLY COMPROMISED. This means they are no longer able to function within the normal parameters of their job because their personal feelings are in the way. This is why the Military preaches emotional detachment into all of their soldiers. The ones that prove strong enough to be able to detach themselves from their feelings are the ones who turn into the leaders. How did Carter get the job? ONI should have stepped in.


Well then I guess you should be complaining about any military story with soldiers being romantically involved with each other too. And do we ever see him snogging Kat or even hinting that there is romantic involvement, other than the teasey line "you're in my light, commander"? The answer is a big fat nope. I certainly wouldn't know they were involved with each other if I hadn't read the background information. That tells me that "business" and "personal interests" are indeed seperate.

Um, no, that is not how getting a position of leadership in the military works at all. Leadership is obtained through the ability to lead and command the respect of your men. A commander needs to care, if he didn't then he would probably be having his head examined or being relieved of command, it is vitally important that a commander care about his men.

Lets roll with Spartans in love for a sec.

Why do I think this is such a stupid idea? Because...it could have very well cost the lives of almost everyone on Nobel Team. I am talking about Carter, Emile, Jorge, and Six.

Why wasn't Kat on the mission to blow up the Super Carrier? Her expertise in mechanics would have proved quite handy in repairing the remote detonator. Did Carter hold her back because he didn't want to send his beloved on a dangerous mission? Why was a tech expert NOT where the most important piece of technology was? Jorge died because of this oversight. Although I could argue about Jorge being stupid and killing himself for nothing (because he died for nothing)...and you could argue that Kat was busy on the surface helping with evac...but...then...why send Six to the Corvette? Six could have changed places with Kat. Kat and Jorge could have done the Corvette business, and Six could have helped with Evac.

But there is more...

Carter committed suicide. I believe he was even more emotionally compromised after Kat's death. Why do I say this? Well...why did he Order Emile and Six to evacuate the Pelican in the last mission? You might say the Pelican was damaged. I say bullocks because 30 minutes later...that Pelican was still being shot and it was still in the air. Carter could have zipped Emile, Six, and himself right to the PoA hanger bay and evacuate.


I don't really see how Kat would have helped in any way up there, unless the scripted events called for her hacking the doors or some such.

And having Kat on the Ardent Prayer wouldn't have made any difference in regards to the bomb, I'm sure she could fix it, but someone would still have to remain behind because they were out of time, it was a "now or never" kind of moment.

Carter did, sort of, commit suicide, I saw no connection between his death and Kat's however, he was concerned for the mission, hence why he went all suicide bomber on the Scarab, and why he had Six and Emile jump out, it was only a matter of time before the Pelican went down, I mean look at it, it had one of its engines on fire and God knows what other damage. Not to mention Carter says the skies are packed with the Covenant, not what I'd call "safe to keep flying". And where did you get the half an hour time? I don't remember there being a time stamp on the scene where Carter dies.

But there is more.

Carter refused to accept the suggestion for medical treatment for his injuries. He was refusing medical treatment. He must have been emotionally and psychologically disturbed by either Kat's death and/or the events of Reach. Either way...he is a bad leader.

He lets his emotions get in the way, he jeopardizes the mission, makes bad decisions, and poorly organizes his team. I blame this on those schlock books and the terrible writers. Nobody knows anything about they are writing about. They wanted to add a love story, but ignore the ramifications of such an arc. That is called poor writing.


Oh yeah, I'm sure there is a lot you can do for medical services while in the air, flying a Pelican, mhm, riiiight -.-
And not once does he flat out refuse medical attention, he is merely ignoring Dot and that is all. And as I said above, he is focused on accomplishing the mission, hence his order for Six and Emile to jump ship and go ground side where they stand a much better chance, up in the air, it's a turkey shoot.

You are free to hold whatever opinion you choose, I however did not see anything in Carter's portrayal in Reach that made him a poor leader except for his decision to ignore the Field Marshal at Visegrad Relay due to it not being part of the mission parameters.

I blame this on those schlock books and the terrible writers. Nobody knows anything about they are writing about. They wanted to add a love story, but ignore the ramifications of such an arc. That is called poor writing.
See why I call the story schlock? It's all schlock.

See what I mean when I say people are stupid?


Let's see you do a better job, I'd love to see your "not schlock, complete realism". Again, just because YOU do not like something does not make your OPINION fact and everybody else an utter moron for disagreeing with you, practice some humility for once, bub, instead of being an arrogant snob.

In my scenario, Keyes puts the safety of his ship over the life of an expendable Spartan and several army guys. Look back at the Halopedian quote. A Pelican with six guys...so? A bunch of Marines watched a civilian ship with 600 people in it get shot into the ocean. They didn't even send rescue teams. You know why? 6000 evacuating civilians needed their protection to escape. There could have been survivors among those 600...but someone, a leader, a commander, someone who understands emotional detachment and acceptable tactical losses, made the decision that the needs of the many are of top priority. I could totally see Keyes leaving N-Six and a Pelican with six guys in it behind to save his crew of 1000 people, not to mention Masterchief...A Spartan II

Completely different scenarios, dude, totally, completely and utterly different.

1). They had nothing at their disposal to search for any possible survivors after the ship was shot down. A Falcon ain't going to cut it as a search and rescue craft.

2). This is not something like the Titanic that slowly sank, the ship pretty much went down like a rock, and it was not open like a sailing ship, meaning that any escape would be highly unlikely.

I already told you, emotional detachment is a bad thing, sure you need to be detached to a degree, but it's not so much detachment as prioritizing emotions and keeping the emotions that will detract from the job at hand in check, something that is totally and completely different from what you are saying.

Well I would say you are wrong, but w/e, I won't lose any sleep over it, I've stated my thoughts and position on Keyes, and I doubt I will change your mind.

Halo Reach is rated M for mature. Hundreds of people die every mission...from being mercilessly gunned down to exploded by grenades and rockets. Someone getting vaporized is too graphic? It's actually a painless death. No blood, no remains.

When you shoot someone, their blood goes all over the place.


Totally different, again, we're not talking about a tiny blood smatter, cartoony blood no less (I mean come on, how does anyone take bright blue or dark purple blood that seriously?), or grenades and rockets, or Grav Hammers that do jack squat other than send you flying, you're talking about watching someone be completely incinerated and burning away before your eyes, that's pretty graphic, even for Halo. I agree it'd be an interesting thing to have, but I don't think Bungie or 343 would put it in a game, extreme graphic death is not their style.

Common dude...THINK...THINKING IS GOOD!

I think you mean "come on" ;P
And I think plenty, thank you very much, I however, do not agree with the conclusions you come to.

[Edited on 03.14.2011 7:40 AM PDT]

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Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted By: Naked Crook
Schlock: To be of inferior or substandard quality

I know what it means. There is a reason I use that word.

But Spartan IIIs are tools, pieces of equipment at least. I don't even think they have rights. They may very well be indentured servants of the UNSC.

Expendable you say? Cheap you say? Sounds like Spartan IIIs don't have very many rights. "Defense of colonies" sounds like a comfortable euphemism for slave or servant.


Then, by the definition of the word, you are not using it properly. You are using it to describe anything you don't like, and while it applies to some of what you have used it to describe, others, it simply does not.

Actually, aside from the whole suicide mission thing, the IIIs were better off in a way than the IIs, they actually had a choice in whether to join the Spartan program or not.

Expendable and cheap both meaning here, something that won't be a horrible loss if they die, unlike the Spartan IIs which cost just about as much as a fully functional warship and were thus extremely valuable.

Dude, why can you not see how Spartans in love is stupid? Think about it. Carter is the commander of his squad. As a leader, he should be able to keep objectivity and keep business and pleasure separate. In fact, knowing he is a Spartan III...he should realize there is no room for pleasure.

You see, in the Military, people can become EMOTIONALLY COMPROMISED. This means they are no longer able to function within the normal parameters of their job because their personal feelings are in the way. This is why the Military preaches emotional detachment into all of their soldiers. The ones that prove strong enough to be able to detach themselves from their feelings are the ones who turn into the leaders. How did Carter get the job? ONI should have stepped in.


Well then I guess you should be complaining about any military story with soldiers being romantically involved with each other too. And do we ever see him snogging Kat or even hinting that there is romantic involvement, other than the teasey line "you're in my light, commander"? The answer is a big fat nope. I certainly wouldn't know they were involved with each other if I hadn't read the background information. That tells me that "business" and "personal interests" are indeed seperate.

Um, no, that is not how getting a position of leadership in the military works at all. Leadership is obtained through the ability to lead and command the respect of your men. A commander needs to care, if he didn't then he would probably be having his head examined or being relieved of command, it is vitally important that a commander care about his men.

Lets roll with Spartans in love for a sec.

Why do I think this is such a stupid idea? Because...it could have very well cost the lives of almost everyone on Nobel Team. I am talking about Carter, Emile, Jorge, and Six.

Why wasn't Kat on the mission to blow up the Super Carrier? Her expertise in mechanics would have proved quite handy in repairing the remote detonator. Did Carter hold her back because he didn't want to send his beloved on a dangerous mission? Why was a tech expert NOT where the most important piece of technology was? Jorge died because of this oversight. Although I could argue about Jorge being stupid and killing himself for nothing (because he died for nothing)...and you could argue that Kat was busy on the surface helping with evac...but...then...why send Six to the Corvette? Six could have changed places with Kat. Kat and Jorge could have done the Corvette business, and Six could have helped with Evac.

But there is more...

Carter committed suicide. I believe he was even more emotionally compromised after Kat's death. Why do I say this? Well...why did he Order Emile and Six to evacuate the Pelican in the last mission? You might say the Pelican was damaged. I say bullocks because 30 minutes later...that Pelican was still being shot and it was still in the air. Carter could have zipped Emile, Six, and himself right to the PoA hanger bay and evacuate.


I don't really see how Kat would have helped in any way up there, unless the scripted events called for her hacking the doors or some such.

And having Kat on the Ardent Prayer wouldn't have made any difference in regards to the bomb, I'm sure she could fix it, but someone would still have to remain behind because they were out of time, it was a "now or never" kind of moment.

Carter did, sort of, commit suicide, I saw no connection between his death and Kat's however, he was concerned for the mission, hence why he went all suicide bomber on the Scarab, and why he had Six and Emile jump out, it was only a matter of time before the Pelican went down, I mean look at it, it had one of its engines on fire and God knows what other damage. Not to mention Carter says the skies are packed with the Covenant, not what I'd call "safe to keep flying". And where did you get the half an hour time? I don't remember there being a time stamp on the scene where Carter dies.

But there is more.

Carter refused to accept the suggestion for medical treatment for his injuries. He was refusing medical treatment. He must have been emotionally and psychologically disturbed by either Kat's death and/or the events of Reach. Either way...he is a bad leader.

He lets his emotions get in the way, he jeopardizes the mission, makes bad decisions, and poorly organizes his team. I blame this on those schlock books and the terrible writers. Nobody knows anything about they are writing about. They wanted to add a love story, but ignore the ramifications of such an arc. That is called poor writing.


Oh yeah, I'm sure there is a lot you can do for medical services while in the air, flying a Pelican, mhm, riiiight -.-
And not once does he flat out refuse medical attention, he is merely ignoring Dot and that is all. And as I said above, he is focused on accomplishing the mission, hence his order for Six and Emile to jump ship and go ground side where they stand a much better chance, up in the air, it's a turkey shoot.

You are free to hold whatever opinion you choose, I however did not see anything in Carter's portrayal in Reach that made him a poor leader except for his decision to ignore the Field Marshal at Visegrad Relay due to it not being part of the mission parameters.

I blame this on those schlock books and the terrible writers. Nobody knows anything about they are writing about. They wanted to add a love story, but ignore the ramifications of such an arc. That is called poor writing.
See why I call the story schlock? It's all schlock.

See what I mean when I say people are stupid?


Let's see you do a better job, I'd love to see your "not schlock, complete realism". Again, just because YOU do not like something does not make your OPINION fact and everybody else an utter moron for disagreeing with you, practice some humility for once, bub, instead of being an arrogant snob.

In my scenario, Keyes puts the safety of his ship over the life of an expendable Spartan and several army guys. Look back at the Halopedian quote. A Pelican with six guys...so? A bunch of Marines watched a civilian ship with 600 people in it get shot into the ocean. They didn't even send rescue teams. You know why? 6000 evacuating civilians needed their protection to escape. There could have been survivors among those 600...but someone, a leader, a commander, someone who understands emotional detachment and acceptable tactical losses, made the decision that the needs of the many are of top priority. I could totally see Keyes leaving N-Six and a Pelican with six guys in it behind to save his crew of 1000 people, not to mention Masterchief...A Spartan II

Completely different scenarios, dude, totally, completely and utterly different.

1). They had nothing at their disposal to search for any possible survivors after the ship was shot down. A Falcon ain't going to cut it as a search and rescue craft.

2). This is not something like the Titanic that slowly sank, the ship pretty much went down like a rock, and it was not open like a sailing ship, meaning that any escape would be highly unlikely.

I already told you, emotional detachment is a bad thing, sure you need to be detached to a degree, but it's not so much detachment as prioritizing emotions and keeping the emotions that will detract from the job at hand in check, something that is totally and completely different from what you are saying.

Well I would say you are wrong, but w/e, I won't lose any sleep over it, I've stated my thoughts and position on Keyes, and I doubt I will change your mind.

Halo Reach is rated M for mature. Hundreds of people die every mission...from being mercilessly gunned down to exploded by grenades and rockets. Someone getting vaporized is too graphic? It's actually a painless death. No blood, no remains.

When you shoot someone, their blood goes all over the place.


Totally different, again, we're not talking about a tiny blood smatter, cartoony blood no less (I mean come on, how does anyone take bright blue or dark purple blood that seriously?), or grenades and rockets, or Grav Hammers that do jack squat other than send you flying, you're talking about watching someone be completely incinerated and burning away before your eyes, that's pretty graphic, even for Halo. I agree it'd be an interesting thing to have, but I don't think Bungie or 343 would put it in a game, extreme graphic death is not their style.

Common dude...THINK...THINKING IS GOOD!

I think mean "come on" ;P
And I think plenty, thank you very much, I however, do not agree with the conclusions you come to.


He was being a bit arrogant.

  • 03.14.2011 5:12 AM PDT


Posted by: Caaaarrrl

You sound like a liberal, I mean a "smart" person. Listen, I read the thing, you didn't say it was satire at first which is why some of us took it seriously. Your point of Spartans not loving each other is proven false when you look at Black team, two members fell in love. Noble did split up, if you listen Carter says that Jorge and Emile are to be dropped off next. Jorge died because the Marines were killed off at that point and there still other Spartans around in full strength and he didn't have a choice. Also, most of us think before we post, and you sound like a liberal because you constantly assume that you are the only thinking person "in the room", so you are automatically right. Keyes landed to get the other half of Cortana, and to pick up any surviving UNSC personnel that were trying to get off-planet. If I missed anything, let me know.


You shouldn't have had to be told it was satire. It was plainly obvious.

  • 03.14.2011 6:15 AM PDT


Posted by: Caaaarrrl

Posted by: OrderedComa
I think you mean "come on" ;P
And I think plenty, thank you very much, I however, do not agree with the conclusions you come to.


He was being a bit arrogant.


He's been pretty arrogant in almost every thread he's participated in, and I think he's been getting worse maybe :/

  • 03.14.2011 7:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: Caaaarrrl

You sound like a liberal, I mean a "smart" person. Listen, I read the thing, you didn't say it was satire at first which is why some of us took it seriously. Your point of Spartans not loving each other is proven false when you look at Black team, two members fell in love. Noble did split up, if you listen Carter says that Jorge and Emile are to be dropped off next. Jorge died because the Marines were killed off at that point and there still other Spartans around in full strength and he didn't have a choice. Also, most of us think before we post, and you sound like a liberal because you constantly assume that you are the only thinking person "in the room", so you are automatically right. Keyes landed to get the other half of Cortana, and to pick up any surviving UNSC personnel that were trying to get off-planet. If I missed anything, let me know.


You shouldn't have had to be told it was satire. It was plainly obvious.


Not really. It sounded like he was serious.

  • 03.14.2011 3:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Caaaarrrl

Not really. It sounded like he was serious.


Really? I got it right away. No self respecting Halo fan would write something like that in seriousness. I realize you and ordered coma aren't his biggest fans, but I'm kind of surprised and disappointed that neither of you seemed to realize that he was just being funny.

  • 03.14.2011 4:12 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.


Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe

Posted by: Caaaarrrl

Not really. It sounded like he was serious.


Really? I got it right away. No self respecting Halo fan would write something like that in seriousness. I realize you and ordered coma aren't his biggest fans, but I'm kind of surprised and disappointed that neither of you seemed to realize that he was just being funny.



It has to do with my sense of humor, I didn't think what he posted was funny.

  • 03.14.2011 4:18 PM PDT

What happened to all the Spartan III's dying anyways? Nice story but I think that you should keep Noble alive during the driving level and have an awesome stand off at the end.

  • 03.14.2011 4:28 PM PDT


Posted by: Caaaarrrl

Posted by: Thugzz Deluxxxe

Posted by: Caaaarrrl

Not really. It sounded like he was serious.


Really? I got it right away. No self respecting Halo fan would write something like that in seriousness. I realize you and ordered coma aren't his biggest fans, but I'm kind of surprised and disappointed that neither of you seemed to realize that he was just being funny.



It has to do with my sense of humor, I didn't think what he posted was funny.


Same here, he's said somewhat similar things as his satire in seriousness, so I wasn't entirely sure if he was being serious with a little attempted humor thrown in, or completely joking. Anyway I just didn't find it funny, idk, maybe it's just how I'm wired, but it didn't feel at all humorous to me :/

  • 03.14.2011 6:57 PM PDT

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