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Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted By: Naked Crook
Schlock: To be of inferior or substandard quality
I know what it means. There is a reason I use that word.
But Spartan IIIs are tools, pieces of equipment at least. I don't even think they have rights. They may very well be indentured servants of the UNSC.
Expendable you say? Cheap you say? Sounds like Spartan IIIs don't have very many rights. "Defense of colonies" sounds like a comfortable euphemism for slave or servant.
Then, by the definition of the word, you are not using it properly. You are using it to describe anything you don't like, and while it applies to some of what you have used it to describe, others, it simply does not.
Actually, aside from the whole suicide mission thing, the IIIs were better off in a way than the IIs, they actually had a choice in whether to join the Spartan program or not.
Expendable and cheap both meaning here, something that won't be a horrible loss if they die, unlike the Spartan IIs which cost just about as much as a fully functional warship and were thus extremely valuable.
Dude, why can you not see how Spartans in love is stupid? Think about it. Carter is the commander of his squad. As a leader, he should be able to keep objectivity and keep business and pleasure separate. In fact, knowing he is a Spartan III...he should realize there is no room for pleasure.
You see, in the Military, people can become EMOTIONALLY COMPROMISED. This means they are no longer able to function within the normal parameters of their job because their personal feelings are in the way. This is why the Military preaches emotional detachment into all of their soldiers. The ones that prove strong enough to be able to detach themselves from their feelings are the ones who turn into the leaders. How did Carter get the job? ONI should have stepped in.
Well then I guess you should be complaining about any military story with soldiers being romantically involved with each other too. And do we ever see him snogging Kat or even hinting that there is romantic involvement, other than the teasey line "you're in my light, commander"? The answer is a big fat nope. I certainly wouldn't know they were involved with each other if I hadn't read the background information. That tells me that "business" and "personal interests" are indeed seperate.
Um, no, that is not how getting a position of leadership in the military works at all. Leadership is obtained through the ability to lead and command the respect of your men. A commander needs to care, if he didn't then he would probably be having his head examined or being relieved of command, it is vitally important that a commander care about his men.
Lets roll with Spartans in love for a sec.
Why do I think this is such a stupid idea? Because...it could have very well cost the lives of almost everyone on Nobel Team. I am talking about Carter, Emile, Jorge, and Six.
Why wasn't Kat on the mission to blow up the Super Carrier? Her expertise in mechanics would have proved quite handy in repairing the remote detonator. Did Carter hold her back because he didn't want to send his beloved on a dangerous mission? Why was a tech expert NOT where the most important piece of technology was? Jorge died because of this oversight. Although I could argue about Jorge being stupid and killing himself for nothing (because he died for nothing)...and you could argue that Kat was busy on the surface helping with evac...but...then...why send Six to the Corvette? Six could have changed places with Kat. Kat and Jorge could have done the Corvette business, and Six could have helped with Evac.
But there is more...
Carter committed suicide. I believe he was even more emotionally compromised after Kat's death. Why do I say this? Well...why did he Order Emile and Six to evacuate the Pelican in the last mission? You might say the Pelican was damaged. I say bullocks because 30 minutes later...that Pelican was still being shot and it was still in the air. Carter could have zipped Emile, Six, and himself right to the PoA hanger bay and evacuate.
I don't really see how Kat would have helped in any way up there, unless the scripted events called for her hacking the doors or some such.
And having Kat on the Ardent Prayer wouldn't have made any difference in regards to the bomb, I'm sure she could fix it, but someone would still have to remain behind because they were out of time, it was a "now or never" kind of moment.
Carter did, sort of, commit suicide, I saw no connection between his death and Kat's however, he was concerned for the mission, hence why he went all suicide bomber on the Scarab, and why he had Six and Emile jump out, it was only a matter of time before the Pelican went down, I mean look at it, it had one of its engines on fire and God knows what other damage. Not to mention Carter says the skies are packed with the Covenant, not what I'd call "safe to keep flying". And where did you get the half an hour time? I don't remember there being a time stamp on the scene where Carter dies.
But there is more.
Carter refused to accept the suggestion for medical treatment for his injuries. He was refusing medical treatment. He must have been emotionally and psychologically disturbed by either Kat's death and/or the events of Reach. Either way...he is a bad leader.
He lets his emotions get in the way, he jeopardizes the mission, makes bad decisions, and poorly organizes his team. I blame this on those schlock books and the terrible writers. Nobody knows anything about they are writing about. They wanted to add a love story, but ignore the ramifications of such an arc. That is called poor writing.
Oh yeah, I'm sure there is a lot you can do for medical services while in the air, flying a Pelican, mhm, riiiight -.-
And not once does he flat out refuse medical attention, he is merely ignoring Dot and that is all. And as I said above, he is focused on accomplishing the mission, hence his order for Six and Emile to jump ship and go ground side where they stand a much better chance, up in the air, it's a turkey shoot.
You are free to hold whatever opinion you choose, I however did not see anything in Carter's portrayal in Reach that made him a poor leader except for his decision to ignore the Field Marshal at Visegrad Relay due to it not being part of the mission parameters.
I blame this on those schlock books and the terrible writers. Nobody knows anything about they are writing about. They wanted to add a love story, but ignore the ramifications of such an arc. That is called poor writing.
See why I call the story schlock? It's all schlock.
See what I mean when I say people are stupid?
Let's see you do a better job, I'd love to see your "not schlock, complete realism". Again, just because YOU do not like something does not make your OPINION fact and everybody else an utter moron for disagreeing with you, practice some humility for once, bub, instead of being an arrogant snob.
In my scenario, Keyes puts the safety of his ship over the life of an expendable Spartan and several army guys. Look back at the Halopedian quote. A Pelican with six guys...so? A bunch of Marines watched a civilian ship with 600 people in it get shot into the ocean. They didn't even send rescue teams. You know why? 6000 evacuating civilians needed their protection to escape. There could have been survivors among those 600...but someone, a leader, a commander, someone who understands emotional detachment and acceptable tactical losses, made the decision that the needs of the many are of top priority. I could totally see Keyes leaving N-Six and a Pelican with six guys in it behind to save his crew of 1000 people, not to mention Masterchief...A Spartan II
Completely different scenarios, dude, totally, completely and utterly different.
1). They had nothing at their disposal to search for any possible survivors after the ship was shot down. A Falcon ain't going to cut it as a search and rescue craft.
2). This is not something like the Titanic that slowly sank, the ship pretty much went down like a rock, and it was not open like a sailing ship, meaning that any escape would be highly unlikely.
I already told you, emotional detachment is a bad thing, sure you need to be detached to a degree, but it's not so much detachment as prioritizing emotions and keeping the emotions that will detract from the job at hand in check, something that is totally and completely different from what you are saying.
Well I would say you are wrong, but w/e, I won't lose any sleep over it, I've stated my thoughts and position on Keyes, and I doubt I will change your mind.
Halo Reach is rated M for mature. Hundreds of people die every mission...from being mercilessly gunned down to exploded by grenades and rockets. Someone getting vaporized is too graphic? It's actually a painless death. No blood, no remains.
When you shoot someone, their blood goes all over the place.
Totally different, again, we're not talking about a tiny blood smatter, cartoony blood no less (I mean come on, how does anyone take bright blue or dark purple blood that seriously?), or grenades and rockets, or Grav Hammers that do jack squat other than send you flying, you're talking about watching someone be completely incinerated and burning away before your eyes, that's pretty graphic, even for Halo. I agree it'd be an interesting thing to have, but I don't think Bungie or 343 would put it in a game, extreme graphic death is not their style.
Common dude...THINK...THINKING IS GOOD!
I think mean "come on" ;P
And I think plenty, thank you very much, I however, do not agree with the conclusions you come to.
He was being a bit arrogant.