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Subject: Maybe The Guns Were On The Other Side Of Reach

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: mojeda101
I really don't need to explain this. Although I will anyway.

A Super Carrier is massive, 27km long, with Shields that could take several MAC shots, even if it were to punch through, it hardly would do much damage to the whole ship.

Where did I ever say SMAC or Super MAC? I don't recall. A SMAC would clean the floor with a Super Carrier, I know that, we all know that, as I said in my other two reasons they were under attack and not in the area at the time to support the Planet.

I told a claim on something I posted, a Shipboard MAC, not a SMAC, theres a difference if you didn't know that.
I posted that as one of my reasons to show why they couldn't use the Frigates to take it out.

It was irrelivent to the SMAC's although it answers why they didn't attempt to use them. My other two points stand.


And yet you still try to add in things to remove yourself from that first point in reference to the MAC platforms. Nowhere have you indicated that you posted that to "show why they couldn't use Frigates to take it out" when it was under a list of why the orbital MAC guns couldn't be used. Hilarious that you still struggle to try and divert away from your original statement by deciding to mention that now. Hilarious...

In any case I never contested your second point.

As for your third, what still stands with that is the Orbital Generators being taken offline. All that is said from the cutscene is that "we are under attack in the Viery territory including orbital defenses". I would love to hear your case as to how the ground generators were "shut down" temporarily as it may be, but considering how you tried to subtly change the reasoning behind your first points I already suspect you'll do the same for the third making it pointless. Already you attempted to counter my earlier point as to why they couldn't have been shut down by saying I was merging the canon of Fall of Reach with Halo Reach making the points null. Yet the proof I put forth in regards to that were from in game radio sources and from Halsey's Diary, not Fall of Reach.

As for this:


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Don't try and weasel your way out of what you've said like with all the other times in this forum.


Others mention the same claim I did.

Posted by: the n00b pwner

Pay more attention when watching cutscenes, the covenant shut down the generators. They were brought back online just in time for the main fleet to arrive and red team to defend them.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

They mention in Tip of the Spear that orbital defenses were also being hit some.


Why aren't you telling them what you are telling me?


First off I didn't get to pwner because I've been busy writing my posts in response to you. The same point I told you originally still applies. The main point of contention in regards to that is being able to prove that the groundside generators were shut down and rebooted.

Second off, I don't contest Cmdr's point because it's something that happened. It's outright stated in the cutscene.

Now you'll say what's the difference between Cmdr's post and Pwner's and that is that Pwner (and you) decided to take that line about orbital defenses being hit and go and make one hell of a specific assumption saying that the generator (in Pwnder's case) was offline'd or was shut down (in yours) based off one vague line "under attack....including orbital defenses" whereas Cmdr just restates what was briefly mentioned.


That line was obviously not meant to be completely literal, as the covenant were not directly attacking the orbital defenses. Also it does not mean that the covenant were attacking they generators, because in actuality, the covenant was defending in that battle. Therefore you can safely assume that the covenant were occupying the generators, and were intelligent enough to turn them off.

  • 03.11.2011 8:29 AM PDT

What about Reach being the military heart of the UNSC and not having any nukes that day the carrier showed up, something about them all being out system? I also believe the fleet came out of slipspace under the orbital macs?

[Edited on 03.11.2011 8:31 AM PST]

  • 03.11.2011 8:30 AM PDT

Sensible. The TotS opening says "including orbital defenses", so the generators in Viery were destroyed according to that. That still leaves the generators on the other side of the planet to power up the Orbital MACs during the battle in the book.

Posted by: mojeda101
Concerning the first, go back to Fall of Reach, Page 359, a Super Carrier just beamed the Herodotus clean through with its beam-like weapon. Go on to 361, She took 3 MAC shots, and 500 Missiles, then the shields rippled and several missiles struck her hull, Cortana told Keyes "Minimal Damage".
That wasn't a supercarrier, it was a far smaller ship dubbed "supercruiser".

  • 03.11.2011 9:17 AM PDT

I put the laughter in manslaughter

*popcorn*
I love a good lore fight..

  • 03.11.2011 9:52 AM PDT

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