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Posted by: Stewie2552

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Posted by: Stewie2552
You said they mastered combat aircraft as if Halo aircraft have not. I'm simply stating it would more than likely be an even fight.

Plus we have invisibility (at least on larger ships) going for us so that'll change a battle in a heartbeat. Not to mention the super shields on the Covenant, the plasma guided shots, and the Titanium AAA armour on the UNSC.

Star Wars also has cloaking devices. Also, the Covenant shields aren't that strong since MAC rounds can penetrate them. Should be no issue for turbolasers.


*contemplates the thought of arguing this. Wow I am such a halo nerd, lol*

It takes multiple salvos from a MAC gun though, (three I believe?) unless it's an Orbital platform. Then one round will do it.

Also I wasn't aware of cloaking. Not saying you're lying, just that I haven't heard/seen it before.

And I will give you the benefit of saying that Covenant shields are vulnerable to heat. Lasers, in theory, sound easily overload the shields causing them to fail.

If anything though, if Halo people were to retreat (but we are gonna win so it doesn't matter), we crash some ships with the Flood into yours and infect everyone. LOL


I agree, and I wouldn't be so quick to judge the Covenant shield tech. Covy ships have point defense lasers which are inferior to plasma, and it still takes 1-2 plasma torpedoes to take down a Covenant shield.

All in all, The Deathstar is the only thing Star Wars has going for them, and even it was destroyed by a measly X wing fighter.

Imagine what a Sabre or Longsword could do :)

Oh, and if you think the LOngsword is too large for that, there's always the Shortsword fighters.

  • 03.08.2011 11:20 AM PDT


Posted by: RIZEUTO

Posted by: Stewie2552

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Stewie2552
You said they mastered combat aircraft as if Halo aircraft have not. I'm simply stating it would more than likely be an even fight.

Plus we have invisibility (at least on larger ships) going for us so that'll change a battle in a heartbeat. Not to mention the super shields on the Covenant, the plasma guided shots, and the Titanium AAA armour on the UNSC.

Star Wars also has cloaking devices. Also, the Covenant shields aren't that strong since MAC rounds can penetrate them. Should be no issue for turbolasers.


*contemplates the thought of arguing this. Wow I am such a halo nerd, lol*

It takes multiple salvos from a MAC gun though, (three I believe?) unless it's an Orbital platform. Then one round will do it.

Also I wasn't aware of cloaking. Not saying you're lying, just that I haven't heard/seen it before.

And I will give you the benefit of saying that Covenant shields are vulnerable to heat. Lasers, in theory, sound easily overload the shields causing them to fail.

If anything though, if Halo people were to retreat (but we are gonna win so it doesn't matter), we crash some ships with the Flood into yours and infect everyone. LOL


I agree, and I wouldn't be so quick to judge the Covenant shield tech. Covy ships have point defense lasers which are inferior to plasma, and it still takes 1-2 plasma torpedoes to take down a Covenant shield.

All in all, The Deathstar is the only thing Star Wars has going for them, and even it was destroyed by a measly X wing fighter.

Imagine what a Sabre or Longsword could do :)

Oh, and if you think the LOngsword is too large for that, there's always the Shortsword fighters.


A: X-wing hit a weak point, which was exposed ONLY due to the plans being stolen.
B: shortswords are atmosphere only, I remember reading that cannot be used in space.

Though, about the shields, yes The Covenant shields might be able to withstand a little punishment, but if I remember right once the shields are gone the ship is screwed.

  • 03.08.2011 11:23 AM PDT

Flood's and Universe's Warhammer 40k fanatic and the one who knows much about it.

I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.

All in all, The Deathstar is the only thing Star Wars has going for them, and even it was destroyed by a measly X wing fighter.

If covenant cruisers shields can be taken down by few MAC's, which are vastly inferior when compared to heavy turbolasers which exist in most of empires cruisers, there is no logic that empire would fail to destroy covenants forces.

Also, range of turbolasers is 1,8 million kilometers, source is SD.net. None of haloverses starship weapons in my konwledge have achieved such range and staying at the same time accurate.

Mass SD and SSD forces would easily overwhelm covenant navys, due their vastly larger numbers and more powerful weaponry. If we throw in their superweapons covenant and UNSC would be annihilated in months. And remember, we are once again only talking about Galactic empire. If you wish, we can throw in many other organisations to help GE, but I personally dont see as a necessary act.

  • 03.08.2011 11:40 AM PDT

"I may not be perfect, but always been true."

Hmmmm, I find it funny how the Hulls of the Empire ships are titanium just like UNSC's ships.

  • 03.08.2011 12:20 PM PDT


Posted by: teekuppi
All in all, The Deathstar is the only thing Star Wars has going for them, and even it was destroyed by a measly X wing fighter.

If covenant cruisers shields can be taken down by few MAC's, which are vastly inferior when compared to heavy turbolasers which exist in most of empires cruisers, there is no logic that empire would fail to destroy covenants forces.

Also, range of turbolasers is 1,8 million kilometers, source is SD.net. None of haloverses starship weapons in my konwledge have achieved such range and staying at the same time accurate.

Mass SD and SSD forces would easily overwhelm covenant navys, due their vastly larger numbers and more powerful weaponry. If we throw in their superweapons covenant and UNSC would be annihilated in months. And remember, we are once again only talking about Galactic empire. If you wish, we can throw in many other organisations to help GE, but I personally dont see as a necessary act.


But if YOU wish we can throw in prwcursors, forerunners and ancient humans.

  • 03.08.2011 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: red alert447

Posted by: teekuppi
All in all, The Deathstar is the only thing Star Wars has going for them, and even it was destroyed by a measly X wing fighter.

If covenant cruisers shields can be taken down by few MAC's, which are vastly inferior when compared to heavy turbolasers which exist in most of empires cruisers, there is no logic that empire would fail to destroy covenants forces.

Also, range of turbolasers is 1,8 million kilometers, source is SD.net. None of haloverses starship weapons in my konwledge have achieved such range and staying at the same time accurate.

Mass SD and SSD forces would easily overwhelm covenant navys, due their vastly larger numbers and more powerful weaponry. If we throw in their superweapons covenant and UNSC would be annihilated in months. And remember, we are once again only talking about Galactic empire. If you wish, we can throw in many other organisations to help GE, but I personally dont see as a necessary act.


But if YOU wish we can throw in prwcursors, forerunners and ancient humans.


Oh god......Not again.

  • 03.08.2011 12:32 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: red alert447

Posted by: teekuppi
All in all, The Deathstar is the only thing Star Wars has going for them, and even it was destroyed by a measly X wing fighter.

If covenant cruisers shields can be taken down by few MAC's, which are vastly inferior when compared to heavy turbolasers which exist in most of empires cruisers, there is no logic that empire would fail to destroy covenants forces.

Also, range of turbolasers is 1,8 million kilometers, source is SD.net. None of haloverses starship weapons in my konwledge have achieved such range and staying at the same time accurate.

Mass SD and SSD forces would easily overwhelm covenant navys, due their vastly larger numbers and more powerful weaponry. If we throw in their superweapons covenant and UNSC would be annihilated in months. And remember, we are once again only talking about Galactic empire. If you wish, we can throw in many other organisations to help GE, but I personally dont see as a necessary act.


But if YOU wish we can throw in prwcursors, forerunners and ancient humans.


Oh god......Not again.



If you wish, we can throw in many other organisations to help GE, but I personally dont see as a necessary act. you started....

And a mac round is stronger than turbolasers.
A mac can go on foreever, it dosn't stop until it reaches a target.
So if you miss with a mac, it will continue untill it hits something.

  • 03.08.2011 12:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
*Sigh* So because CGI wasn't great back then, it means the weapons are weak as -blam!-? Stardestroyer.net uses the movies as sources as well when calculating the power of ships.

Let's look at Episode 2 and 3. Episode 2, a battery of artillery cause heavy/massive damage to a ship launching. Earlier you see the same type shrug off attacks by gunships with little to no damage.

In Episode three, you see one of those same type of artillery cannons mounted inside of lower launch bay, and destroy a CIS ship in a single hit. You see a heavy turbolaser open fire on a nearby enemy ship and completely destroy the section struck (When the two fighters went through a fireball, moments before the turbolaser fired.) Later in the Invisible hand, it draws alongside a Venator star destroyer, the following broadsides from the deck guns do enough damage to push the Invisible Hand into a dive, which it recovers from barely.

So, based on that I'd say those guns can do a HEFTY amount of damage.

Nothing really to prove a single plasma torpedo could gut an ISD or any of the larger, more heavier armored and armed star destroyers with ease.

(TBH, sometimes it sounds like the "Movies overrides all other things." is being pulled as a line to purposefully degrade the Star Wars side...)


Never said they didn't have good weapons. The weapon that "glassed" the CIS Frigate was likely similar to a Covenant energy projector (or glassing beam) in both power and function. However, it can only be fired from the bottom of the ship, and Covie ships are more maneuverable then that.

If you look at the deleated scene of Episode three showing why the Invisible Hand dived was because it was rapidly losing fuel. Likely from the battle, the Hand was leaking its fuel in the lower decks. The Venator that came in pummled it enough times to force it into Coruscant's gravity well, likely shorting out its anti-gravity engines (think they're called repulsor lifts or something. Whatever it is that keeps ships floating).

The Venator did not directly force the Hand into a dive. The angle the Venator was shooting it would not have forced that, only a malfunction in the engines and anti-gravity systems, which is what happened.

And I seriously doubt that the Venator was striking the Invisible Hand with super-nuclear strikes. If that were the case, the droids, Clones and such that were caught in the blasts would have been vaporized, and the entire ship shattered with one shot. The Frigate that got cut in half was likely the equal to a nuclear explosion because of how easy it got destroyed, but the primary cannons do NOT hit with nuclear force.

Every single shot fired in all of the movies prove this point.

  • 03.08.2011 2:11 PM PDT

A malfunction which would be caused by DAMAGE, aka from enemy fire(Pushing doesn't mean in this case literally pushing it into the dive. Pushing meaning doing enough damage to cause the dive.). Also, as somebody else said, you have two military battleships firing at each other. Their armor is built to withstand those blows so it wouldn't be a 'one shot destroying the entire ship.'

There still is no details on how much power a plasma torpedo delivers, or how strong the Covenant shielding is. (Hence no proof that a plasma torpedo could one-shot an ISD or SSD)

If there were numbers, we could compare them to the stats we have for the Star Wars ships.

  • 03.08.2011 2:21 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: teekuppi
and yes, flood would have made it all the way to ur ships, they have infinite units

You realise, that you would need to get your flood to our cruisers ( or star fighters, would you like to tell me how_are_you_going_to catch a slave-1 for example?) somehow through the void of the space? How are going to achieve it?

Also, infinity is impossible to achieve. I get your point still that there are a lot flood forces, but they can be countered by droids, which seem to be vastly superior in combat, only advantage for flood is that they can bring life to dead.


Another major problem here. Since the flood are not infecting UNSC or Covenant forces, that means they have to infect the Star Wars forces. Thus meaning they are nothing more then infection forms and very limited in number.


That's what started out in the Forerunner-Flood War as well, and the Forerunners were eviscerated. And I think its pretty safe to say the Forerunners would stomp the Empire. Whether Star Wars has blasters or the UNSC has assault rifles, an infection form infects just the same.

It'd just be that once the Flood captures a Wars ship--which they will--its pretty much over for the Wars universe. Flood will adapt their technology, they'll organize the FSC to better combat the Wars universe's weapons and powers, and learn precisely where the rest of the Wars military is and any defenses that it may have and how to beat them (should who they infected be privvy to such knowledge). And God help everyone if a Jedi is infected...

  • 03.08.2011 2:21 PM PDT

The reason the Flood were able to win against the Forerunners is because the Forerunners didn't react quickly to the first infection. They allowed the flood to get a foothold. In this situation, the Star Wars faction would know the flood is hostile (Being from the other side) and thus would engage on sight.

  • 03.08.2011 2:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A malfunction which would be caused by DAMAGE, aka from enemy fire(Pushing doesn't mean in this case literally pushing it into the dive. Pushing meaning doing enough damage to cause the dive.). Also, as somebody else said, you have two military battleships firing at each other. Their armor is built to withstand those blows so it wouldn't be a 'one shot destroying the entire ship.'

There still is no details on how much power a plasma torpedo delivers, or how strong the Covenant shielding is. (Hence no proof that a plasma torpedo could one-shot an ISD or SSD)

If there were numbers, we could compare them to the stats we have for the Star Wars ships.


Yeah...If the USS Enterprise were to cause the same damage to the Hand, or a UNSC MAC round going clean through the engine room, it'd still fall. There's nothing specifically special about having a Venator do it.

I mean, frankly, do you honestly expect me to believe the explosions and such that were in Episode three were hundreds of times greater in power then THIS???

This is a 50 megaton hydrogen bomb (I think, just typed up Tsar Bomba and got this), this is more along the lines of a Covenant plasma torpedo. I mean, you can understand why I think this could destroy a Star Destroyer, right? The shield thing is debatable, but armor doesn't stand a chance.

And as I have said before, we can gauge the power of varying Covenant weapons by calculating their effectiveness. If you look at Reach, when Sword is getting hit, it looks like nukes are dropping on it. Amongst other calculations, its been determined a Covenant plasma torpedo is in the megatons to maybe terratons when you consider the Assault Carrier in First Strike and whatever ungodly weapons the Supercarrier must have to beat the Assault Carrier.

  • 03.08.2011 2:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A malfunction which would be caused by DAMAGE, aka from enemy fire(Pushing doesn't mean in this case literally pushing it into the dive. Pushing meaning doing enough damage to cause the dive.). Also, as somebody else said, you have two military battleships firing at each other. Their armor is built to withstand those blows so it wouldn't be a 'one shot destroying the entire ship.'

There still is no details on how much power a plasma torpedo delivers, or how strong the Covenant shielding is. (Hence no proof that a plasma torpedo could one-shot an ISD or SSD)

If there were numbers, we could compare them to the stats we have for the Star Wars ships.


Yeah...If the USS Enterprise were to cause the same damage to the Hand, or a UNSC MAC round going clean through the engine room, it'd still fall. There's nothing specifically special about having a Venator do it.

I mean, frankly, do you honestly expect me to believe the explosions and such that were in Episode three were hundreds of times greater in power then THIS???

This is a 50 megaton hydrogen bomb (I think, just typed up Tsar Bomba and got this), this is more along the lines of a Covenant plasma torpedo. I mean, you can understand why I think this could destroy a Star Destroyer, right? The shield thing is debatable, but armor doesn't stand a chance.

And as I have said before, we can gauge the power of varying Covenant weapons by calculating their effectiveness. If you look at Reach, when Sword is getting hit, it looks like nukes are dropping on it. Amongst other calculations, its been determined a Covenant plasma torpedo is in the megatons to maybe terratons when you consider the Assault Carrier in First Strike and whatever ungodly weapons the Supercarrier must have to beat the Assault Carrier.


Only the size of the TSAR?

An ISDII can dish out roughly 740,000,000 megatons per second spread across it's guns.

put another way, that's 50,000,000,000x the power of hiroshima every second.

Proton Torpedoes, Laser Cannons, and Turbolasers would utterly chop the Covenant Super Carriers before they could reach 180,000,000,000km within the ISSDII.

  • 03.08.2011 3:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sierra 1993DJC
So I have seen many arguments about whether Star Wars is better than Halo or which would win a war or battle. But I don't think the questions were ever specific enough. So here we go, who would win a battle in outer space between the Star Wars and Halo forces. Give a reason for your choice.


Star Wars.

Star wars ships are very powerful, the AotC ICS gives an Acclaimator *frigate* six main turrets rated at ~200 *GIGATONNES* per shot. It has shielding that can tank it's own firepower for quite some time as well.

A Venator, or Imperial Star Destroyer, can effortlessly crush this type of ship, so their firepower and consequently shield capacity is much higher.

The Covenant have high triple digit megatonnes/low single digit gigatonnes at best, much less if we use the less-than-awesome displays shown in Reach, but I much prefer to use the whole "thirty Covenant capships burn the surface of an earth-like world dry in an hour" quote from the novel as it's more consistent with other showings.

In short, The big Covenant ships could take on Sector patrol craft from star wars, things like Nebulon-B frigates, or maybe an Acclaimator if they outnumbered it. If they run into an actual line warship they go down quite quickly, Star wars ships have many more guns, and greater firepower per gun.

The firepower disparity is too great.

  • 03.08.2011 6:09 PM PDT

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ligtsaber>plasma sword on the grounds that in halo wars the arbiter slashed at forge and he got up. ligsabers cut straight through you SW:1 HL:0
deathstar>HALO on the grounds that it dosn't need to have a room to tell you how to get to the special key,a special key and a place were the special key needs to go. it just has a lever SW:2HL:0
Spartans>jedi on the grounds that it is imposable to reflect a lead bullet and blocking one will result in allot of lead smoke
SW:2HL:1
supercarier > super star destroyer 17.5 kilometers crew of 712,582 and a continent destroying primary for the star destroyer. 27 kilometers crew of "Several hundred thousand" and a one hundred thousand kilometer destroying lazer for the supercarier tough to decide but i have to go with superior firepower on this one
SW:3HL:1
small craft goes to star wars as each small craft can go into hyperspace and because there is simply such a variaty against halo's seraphs banshees spirits and phantoms
SW4:HL:1
sorry but starwars has it. all info copied from halopedia and wookiepedia


[Edited on 03.08.2011 8:05 PM PST]

  • 03.08.2011 7:44 PM PDT


Posted by: Pirate Cheese13
ligtsaber>plasma sword on the grounds that in halo reach the arbiter slashed at forge and he got up. ligsabers cut straight through you SW:1 HL:0
deathstar>HALO on the grounds that it dosn't need to have a room to tell you how to get to the special key,a special key and a place were the special key needs to go. it just has a lever SW:2HL:0
Spartans>jedi on the grounds that it is imposable to reflect a lead bullet and blocking one will result in allot of lead smoke
SW:2HL:1
supercarier > super star destroyer 17.5 kilometers crew of 712,582 and a continent destroying primary for the star destroyer. 27 kilometers crew of "Several hundred thousand" and a one hundred thousand kilometer destroying lazer for the supercarier tough to decide but i have to go with superior firepower on this one
SW:3HL:1
small craft goes to star wars as each small craft can go into hyperspace and because there is simply such a variaty against halo's seraphs banshees spirits and phantoms
SW4:HL:1
sorry but starwars has it. all info copied from halopedia and wookiepedia


Not many bullets use lead anymore from what I've been told. That and a lightsaber deflecting a bullet would vaporize the projectile, leaving nothing there.

As for the Forge example, it was because the Arbiter didn't complete the slash, it grazed his chest.

  • 03.08.2011 7:47 PM PDT

And a mac round is stronger than turbolasers.
A mac can go on foreever, it dosn't stop until it reaches a target.
So if you miss with a mac, it will continue untill it hits something


Sir their mac round missed us. Well son speed up and get in front of it we don't want the dumbasses looking bad for missing. Plus theirs a trillion and one chance they may hit Coruscant. But sir Coruscant is the other way. Don't you question me.

[Edited on 03.08.2011 7:48 PM PST]

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

You forget the buggers, any Precursor fleet could wipe out the SW universe with ease

  • 03.08.2011 7:52 PM PDT

Titanium sucks compared to this http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Beskar which is what the mandalorians ships were made out of and their armor. Plus the empire took a lot of the metal too, it was just they didn't have mandalorian black smiths to incorporate it into ships. But in this situation it's the Wars verse vs. Halo verse so the mandos are with the empire.

  • 03.08.2011 7:58 PM PDT

I love how everyone keeps saying the precursors would beat the Wars universe, but so far nothing really has been revealed about their technology so pretty much you guys are make up how awesome the precursors are. Also they were beaten by the forerunners so they can't be that awesome.

[Edited on 03.08.2011 8:01 PM PST]

  • 03.08.2011 8:01 PM PDT


Posted by: Recovery 25
I love how everyone keeps saying the precursors would beat the Wars universe, but so far nothing really has been revealed about their technology so pretty much you guys are make up how awesome the precursors are. Also they were beaten by the forerunners so they can't be that awesome.


Quote I've seen is "Precursors cannot be killed/beaten." when they were defeated by the Forerunners. Kinda a double statement no?

Though, I've started to notice how sometimes it is actually going into trying to make Star Wars weaker/sound weaker simply so Halo wins, even though we have lots of data on the strength/power of Star Wars weapons and ships, but very little on Halo ships (Covenant, nothing at all on Forerunner/Precursor.)

  • 03.08.2011 8:07 PM PDT

yo homes to bel-air!

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Pirate Cheese13
basically allot of me copying and pasting


Not many bullets use lead anymore from what I've been told. That and a lightsaber deflecting a bullet would vaporize the projectile, leaving nothing there.

As for the Forge example, it was because the Arbiter didn't complete the slash, it grazed his chest.


ok let's make those changes...oh look at that still 4 to 2
also typical of a villain to not try his best to kill somone

  • 03.08.2011 8:10 PM PDT

Fear the Wafflepan

Halo. Better shields + star wars "deflector shields" only work against laser projectiles. MAC rounds autocannons and missles would tear apart every ship they have. Even assuming little lasers pack the same punch as Covenant cruiser weapons, its still Halo because of the shields thing and armor.

  • 03.08.2011 8:16 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Recovery 25
I love how everyone keeps saying the precursors would beat the Wars universe, but so far nothing really has been revealed about their technology so pretty much you guys are make up how awesome the precursors are. Also they were beaten by the forerunners so they can't be that awesome.


Quote I've seen is "Precursors cannot be killed/beaten." when they were defeated by the Forerunners. Kinda a double statement no?

Though, I've started to notice how sometimes it is actually going into trying to make Star Wars weaker/sound weaker simply so Halo wins, even though we have lots of data on the strength/power of Star Wars weapons and ships, but very little on Halo ships (Covenant, nothing at all on Forerunner/Precursor.)


That's because there is very little on forerunners and nothing on precursors.
Also here is the main covenant weapon on ships http://www.halopedian.com/Pulse_laser_turret it says it could melt though 45 cm of titanium in a single shot, but it goes on to say the Commonwealth a frigate one of the smallest ships the UNSC has received severe damage on only two of it's decks with only a quarter of the armor they needed. So your honestly going to tell me that let's say a star destroyer which has titanium armor also and probably way thicker and it has shields would be taken out easily by the Covenant. Come on.

  • 03.08.2011 8:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: wafflepan
Halo. Better shields + star wars "deflector shields" only work against laser projectiles. MAC rounds autocannons and missles would tear apart every ship they have. Even assuming little lasers pack the same punch as Covenant cruiser weapons, its still Halo because of the shields thing and armor.


were are you getting deflector shields from? i seriously don't think the empire would only cover themselves from lasers. if this is true the rebels may as-well used bullets instead seeing as your logic says they would just go through. also by definition lasers aren't projectiles
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"There were two distinct types of deflector shield: ray shields, also known as energy shields, and particle shields. The former protected against energy-based attacks, such as blaster or laser cannon fire, while the latter was developed in response to physical attacks, ranging from projectile missiles and incoming vehicles to asteroids and meteors." wookipedia


[Edited on 03.08.2011 8:33 PM PST]

  • 03.08.2011 8:25 PM PDT