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Subject: Who would win a space battle, Star Wars or Halo?

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Schulzy3
Red Alert is a successful troll, in being unsuccessful.

Roberto jh laid out some basic ground rules, excluding all superweapons from both sides (Forerunner and Precursor were on that list, since they are "Iwin" factions).

It was UNSC/Covenant vs Empire. Then, someone came in, ignored all posts, said, "Precursor > all" and ended the discussion that could have gone ssomewhere.

So can we please go back to UNSC/Covenant vs Empire, no superweapons involved on either side?

SW vs HALO

Halo wins because of Flood, Forerunners and Precursors.
Star Wars fans deem it unfair for Halo to win so they exclude the best of Halo.

That's like booting the guy in the lead in a custom game
because he's so good.


What happened to that last post of yours 2 pages ago? You lied to yourself, how sad.

Empire has more than enough power to deal with the Forerunner. Forerunner weapons, appear to be little more than homing energy blades, slow to fire and charge, and not terribly effective against a large number of troops.

I also see Forerunner tactics involving Infantry in small numbers, with no vehicle or close air support, they seem to follow the tactic of bombardment + mop up, essentially, WW1 tactics that didn't even work at the time.

"After exhausting every tactical strategy..."
If Forerunner can't take down Flood, that is simply sad.

Forerunner firepower is tricky to gauge, they were able to cut through Flood creatures without much more ease than Covenant or UNSC. Their ships firing on the planet in Halo Legends puts their firepower per shot, per combined ship fleet at roughly, MAYBE a single turbolaser level. But the Empire's ships can fire each of their many, many guns with 1-2 seconds in between shots, rather than 5-10 for their entire ship.

The flood? These kinds of parasitic creatures aren't unheard of to the Empire, they've faced, defeated, and have even created their own. The Empire would have an understanding of how the flood works based on their experiences with similar creatures and the Yuuzhan Vong, and would have little trouble with them as they know that to eliminate them you have to react fast.

Precursors cannot be brought into this fight. NOTHING is known on them aside from the prisoners word. Once book 2 comes out and information is told on them, then you can mention them. Besides, If Empire can beat Forerunner fairly easy, I'm sure they would be able to handle Precursors.

We've already established what beats what, and the Forerunners could easily wipe the floor with the Empire.

I do not see more room for reasonable discussion.

  • 03.09.2011 3:40 PM PDT

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Schulzy3
Red Alert is a successful troll, in being unsuccessful.

Roberto jh laid out some basic ground rules, excluding all superweapons from both sides (Forerunner and Precursor were on that list, since they are "Iwin" factions).

It was UNSC/Covenant vs Empire. Then, someone came in, ignored all posts, said, "Precursor > all" and ended the discussion that could have gone ssomewhere.

So can we please go back to UNSC/Covenant vs Empire, no superweapons involved on either side?

SW vs HALO

Halo wins because of Flood, Forerunners and Precursors.
Star Wars fans deem it unfair for Halo to win so they exclude the best of Halo.

That's like booting the guy in the lead in a custom game
because he's so good.


What happened to that last post of yours 2 pages ago? You lied to yourself, how sad.

Empire has more than enough power to deal with the Forerunner. Forerunner weapons, appear to be little more than homing energy blades, slow to fire and charge, and not terribly effective against a large number of troops.

I also see Forerunner tactics involving Infantry in small numbers, with no vehicle or close air support, they seem to follow the tactic of bombardment + mop up, essentially, WW1 tactics that didn't even work at the time.

"After exhausting every tactical strategy..."
If Forerunner can't take down Flood, that is simply sad.

Forerunner firepower is tricky to gauge, they were able to cut through Flood creatures without much more ease than Covenant or UNSC. Their ships firing on the planet in Halo Legends puts their firepower per shot, per combined ship fleet at roughly, MAYBE a single turbolaser level. But the Empire's ships can fire each of their many, many guns with 1-2 seconds in between shots, rather than 5-10 for their entire ship.

The flood? These kinds of parasitic creatures aren't unheard of to the Empire, they've faced, defeated, and have even created their own. The Empire would have an understanding of how the flood works based on their experiences with similar creatures and the Yuuzhan Vong, and would have little trouble with them as they know that to eliminate them you have to react fast.

Precursors cannot be brought into this fight. NOTHING is known on them aside from the prisoners word. Once book 2 comes out and information is told on them, then you can mention them. Besides, If Empire can beat Forerunner fairly easy, I'm sure they would be able to handle Precursors.

We've already established what beats what, and the Forerunners could easily wipe the floor with the Empire.

I do not see more room for reasonable discussion.


I laugh, explain yourself, you have no proof, as the Empire has all the power and information you want. Go ahead, try to beat me, you can't. Therefore you lose, go cry some more.

I concede, Recovery, I hope you can match them in this fight, I have to go to work.

[Edited on 03.09.2011 3:59 PM PST]

  • 03.09.2011 3:45 PM PDT

I do not see more room for reasonable discussion.

Obviously you don't.

[Edited on 03.09.2011 3:46 PM PST]

  • 03.09.2011 3:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Recovery 25
I do not see more room for reasonable discussion.

Obviously you don't.


He can't find information on the Forerunner and Precursors while the Empire has everything you need to know. You can't fight something with no information. Let him struggle.

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Schulzy3
Red Alert is a successful troll, in being unsuccessful.

Roberto jh laid out some basic ground rules, excluding all superweapons from both sides (Forerunner and Precursor were on that list, since they are "Iwin" factions).

It was UNSC/Covenant vs Empire. Then, someone came in, ignored all posts, said, "Precursor > all" and ended the discussion that could have gone ssomewhere.

So can we please go back to UNSC/Covenant vs Empire, no superweapons involved on either side?

SW vs HALO

Halo wins because of Flood, Forerunners and Precursors.
Star Wars fans deem it unfair for Halo to win so they exclude the best of Halo.

That's like booting the guy in the lead in a custom game
because he's so good.


What happened to that last post of yours 2 pages ago? You lied to yourself, how sad.

Empire has more than enough power to deal with the Forerunner. Forerunner weapons, appear to be little more than homing energy blades, slow to fire and charge, and not terribly effective against a large number of troops.

I also see Forerunner tactics involving Infantry in small numbers, with no vehicle or close air support, they seem to follow the tactic of bombardment + mop up, essentially, WW1 tactics that didn't even work at the time.

"After exhausting every tactical strategy..."
If Forerunner can't take down Flood, that is simply sad.

Forerunner firepower is tricky to gauge, they were able to cut through Flood creatures without much more ease than Covenant or UNSC. Their ships firing on the planet in Halo Legends puts their firepower per shot, per combined ship fleet at roughly, MAYBE a single turbolaser level. But the Empire's ships can fire each of their many, many guns with 1-2 seconds in between shots, rather than 5-10 for their entire ship.

The flood? These kinds of parasitic creatures aren't unheard of to the Empire, they've faced, defeated, and have even created their own. The Empire would have an understanding of how the flood works based on their experiences with similar creatures and the Yuuzhan Vong, and would have little trouble with them as they know that to eliminate them you have to react fast.

Precursors cannot be brought into this fight. NOTHING is known on them aside from the prisoners word. Once book 2 comes out and information is told on them, then you can mention them. Besides, If Empire can beat Forerunner fairly easy, I'm sure they would be able to handle Precursors.


-First of all the Empire is outnumbered by a single Forerunner querentaine fleet:


pg 144
The sensor images were impressive and strange. I had
never seen a quarantined steller system before. Such capa-
bilities were rarely displayed to young Builders. A planetary
system is mostly empty, even the greatest of worlds being lost

- page 144 -

in the immensity of billions of kilometers of space. Like their
former human allies, the San'Shyuum had evolved on a
water-rich world not far from a yellow star, within a temper-
ate zone that allowed only a narrow range of weather. Now,
however, ten thousand years after their defeat, the system
was surround by trillions of vigilants that constantly wove
in and out of space-time, sometimes so rapidly that they
seemed to shape a soild sphere. This sphere extended to a
distance of four hundred million kilometers from the star,
and thus did not encompass four impressive gas giants whose
orbit lay beyond that limit.


Imagine the rest of their Navy.

I'm sorry to dissapoint you but Forerunner exoskeltons (AKA war sphinxes and seekers)have the ability to destroy entire continents.

You probably got that info from legends did you?Those combat skins seen in legends are even used by civilians and contain their own AI's.

Threat of star wars on ground to the Forerunners=zero

They can even destroy the crust of a planet.

What da -blam!-,you realise that episode is at the point of view of a near rampant cortana so all fights you see weren't real just like how the flood infected Earth and covie homeworlds.

pg 197
The atmosphere below was a swirling soup of smoke and
fire. Warrior craft and automated weapon systems were
mostly to small to be visible, but I saw their effects - darting
beams of needle light, glowing arcs cutting across conti-
nents, gigantic, stamplike divots punched into the crust and
then lifted up, spun about, overturned. I had never seen
anything like this - but the Didact had.



This quote shows Forerunner ground forces destroying continents and even the crust.

Don't underestimate the Flood.

How about instead of making stupid assumptions ,why not do some research on Cryptym.Do you live under a rock?A single Forerunner ship destroyed a ring 3 times the size of the Halo game rings.

Forerunner navy>>>>>>Ground forces firepower>>>>>>>Star wars
navy

?hahahahahaha

So you say the empire encountered a parasite who steal your knowledge use it against you and are extremely adaptable?Flood aren't a disease,it's far worse.

The vong are nothing like the flood,do they have a superbeing leader who can't be killed?Are they able to consume your army and tech and use it against you?Are they able to create entire new powerful armies from scratch?(pure forms)

Your are really ignorant aren't ya.It's revealed in cryptum that precursor material is indestructible to anything but a neural weapon(Halo array).

WTF are you smoking the Forerunner curbstomb the galactic empire so hard it isn't evevn funny to watch.

You have no chanche on ground.

  • 03.09.2011 3:51 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: Schulzy3
Red Alert is a successful troll, in being unsuccessful.

Roberto jh laid out some basic ground rules, excluding all superweapons from both sides (Forerunner and Precursor were on that list, since they are "Iwin" factions).

It was UNSC/Covenant vs Empire. Then, someone came in, ignored all posts, said, "Precursor > all" and ended the discussion that could have gone ssomewhere.

So can we please go back to UNSC/Covenant vs Empire, no superweapons involved on either side?

SW vs HALO

Halo wins because of Flood, Forerunners and Precursors.
Star Wars fans deem it unfair for Halo to win so they exclude the best of Halo.

That's like booting the guy in the lead in a custom game
because he's so good.


What happened to that last post of yours 2 pages ago? You lied to yourself, how sad.

Not sure if you were talking to me there...

Anyways, it's a tie. Precursors might be able to kill every person/droid from Star Wars with their "indestructible" ships. But you can't kill the Force.

  • 03.09.2011 3:52 PM PDT

So you say the empire encountered a parasite who steal your knowledge use it against you and are extremely adaptable?Flood aren't a disease,it's far worse.

The vong are nothing like the flood,do they have a superbeing leader who can't be killed?Are they able to consume your army and tech and use it against you?Are they able to create entire new powerful armies from scratch?(pure forms)


Plenty of encounters. Yes. Yes. Yes.

I concede from this fight, I have yet to read the Forerunner Saga, I will return then.

[Edited on 03.09.2011 4:00 PM PST]

  • 03.09.2011 3:54 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

Some feats:


pg 100
From those inner secrets, the Forerunners have
prodded sufficient power to change the shape of worlds,
move stars, and even to contemplate shifting the axes of
entire galaxies. We have explored other realities, other
spaces - slipspace, denial of locale, shunspace, trick geo-
detics, natal void, the photon-only realm the Glow.


People like you claiming there is no info on the Forerunners are ignorant at their best.

  • 03.09.2011 3:54 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: Recovery 25
I do not see more room for reasonable discussion.

Obviously you don't.


He can't find information on the Forerunner and Precursors while the Empire has everything you need to know. You can't fight something with no information. Let him struggle.

Considering your rather offensive use of words I believe that you are running dry of counters. The Forerunners are very well documented, just look at what revan posted.

[Edited on 03.09.2011 4:05 PM PST]

  • 03.09.2011 4:04 PM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: mojeda101
So you say the empire encountered a parasite who steal your knowledge use it against you and are extremely adaptable?Flood aren't a disease,it's far worse.

The vong are nothing like the flood,do they have a superbeing leader who can't be killed?Are they able to consume your army and tech and use it against you?Are they able to create entire new powerful armies from scratch?(pure forms)


Plenty of encounters. Yes. Yes. Yes.

I concede from this fight, I have yet to read the Forerunner Saga, I will return then.

Greg Bear is amazing, you must not miss out on these critical aspects of the Universe.

  • 03.09.2011 4:09 PM PDT

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: mojeda101
So you say the empire encountered a parasite who steal your knowledge use it against you and are extremely adaptable?Flood aren't a disease,it's far worse.

The vong are nothing like the flood,do they have a superbeing leader who can't be killed?Are they able to consume your army and tech and use it against you?Are they able to create entire new powerful armies from scratch?(pure forms)


Plenty of encounters. Yes. Yes. Yes.

I concede from this fight, I have yet to read the Forerunner Saga, I will return then.

Greg Bear is amazing, you must not miss out on these critical aspects of the Universe.


Better than Eric Nylund or William Dietz?

  • 03.09.2011 4:16 PM PDT

I am not going to acknowledge any post from the halo side about the forerunners or precursors. It was established a while ago that this fight is the humans and covenant vs. the empire. Bringing in the forerunners and precursors will again start the whole super weapons I win fight. Also if you think that was offensive TheGreenAlloy you need get out in the world more.

  • 03.09.2011 4:17 PM PDT

Better than Eric Nylund or William Dietz?

Every author was better than William Dietz.

  • 03.09.2011 4:19 PM PDT

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: mojeda101
So you say the empire encountered a parasite who steal your knowledge use it against you and are extremely adaptable?Flood aren't a disease,it's far worse.

The vong are nothing like the flood,do they have a superbeing leader who can't be killed?Are they able to consume your army and tech and use it against you?Are they able to create entire new powerful armies from scratch?(pure forms)


Plenty of encounters. Yes. Yes. Yes.

I concede from this fight, I have yet to read the Forerunner Saga, I will return then.

Greg Bear is amazing, you must not miss out on these critical aspects of the Universe.


I concede on the aspects on the Forerunner, although what of the Covenant?

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The Death Watch Clan Co-Leader

copying off the success of another thread.

  • 03.09.2011 5:18 PM PDT

You look unto me now through the profile screen found at http://www.bungie.net/Account/Profile.aspx. Here we are, mutually faceless, both ones in the Seventh.

If the Halo universe used everything at it's disposal, it would win, hands down.

  • 03.09.2011 5:25 PM PDT

Flood's and Universe's Warhammer 40k fanatic and the one who knows much about it.

I also like House Stark and winter, hurr.


Posted by: red alert447

Posted by: TheGreenAlloy

Posted by: teekuppi

Posted by: red alert447

Posted by: Schulzy3
It took one person to turn this debate from UNSC/Covenant vs Empire into a Forerunner/Precursor vs Empire.

The rules were laid out for us to follow, and one person sets everythin in a Universe vs Universe battle. Holy crap, stay on track.

NO, the starwars fan boys agreed on that,
the op never said anything about it, he said Halo vs Starwars space battle.


SW could use shawken device and their every other super weapon out there. We simply create new, articifial big bang.

And if haloverse could somehow survive from that, and somehow defeat SW which seems to be very unexpected ending for the war by many means which I can list if anyone wishes, then there is one idiotic card to play.

How will you destroy the force? Destroying every living thing in SW universe? No, it simply cannot be accomplished.

But I guess I'll leave from this thread, since it seems to no longer be about space warfare.

That's what the Halos do.

Mommy mommy i most leave this thread because i am out of arguments, buhu


I can throw plenty more in, but simply because people who I am talking to seem to be only trolls, I have no idea of continuing. I'd hope that they would give me reason to continue.

And oh, Halos dont do artificial big bang. Neither they do destroy all living, they only target sentient beings. Big difference here.

Now lets see, which one is more powerful? Weapon, that creates new big bang and so on destroys everything in existence, or weapon that can only kill milky way's sentient life? I will go with shawken device.

Only then you could kill the force. Such thing cannot be accomplished by haloverse.

But, once again I say it, this isnt about the topic.

[Edited on 03.09.2011 10:26 PM PST]

  • 03.09.2011 10:11 PM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

This is how the battle goes:

The star wars and Halo universe encounter eachother,they are about to fight but realise it's useless.

Everyone is at peace and all are happy

The end

  • 03.10.2011 1:56 AM PDT

If you can read this, that means I'm not a Shaolin monk...

yet.


Posted by: Recovery 25
I am not going to acknowledge any post from the halo side about the forerunners or precursors. It was established a while ago that this fight is the humans and covenant vs. the empire. Bringing in the forerunners and precursors will again start the whole super weapons I win fight. Also if you think that was offensive TheGreenAlloy you need get out in the world more.

Red Alert gets accused of trolling by the same guy who brought personal accusations into this discussion.

  • 03.10.2011 5:57 AM PDT




Posted by: Recovery 25
I am not going to acknowledge any post from the halo side about the forerunners or precursors

You are just afraid to loose.

[Edited on 03.10.2011 6:27 AM PST]

  • 03.10.2011 6:27 AM PDT


Posted by: red alert447



Posted by: Recovery 25
I am not going to acknowledge any post from the halo side about the forerunners or precursors

You are just afraid to loose.


I'll just say this, if they wanted to one-side it, they would remove Precursors, forerunners, and the other halo super weapons but leave in Star Wars super weapons.

They did not, so by the same sense we could say you are afraid to lose as you keep shoving those two groups back in halo-side.

  • 03.10.2011 6:46 AM PDT


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Posted by: red alert447



Posted by: Recovery 25
I am not going to acknowledge any post from the halo side about the forerunners or precursors

You are just afraid to loose.


I'll just say this, if they wanted to one-side it, they would remove Precursors, forerunners, and the other halo super weapons but leave in Star Wars super weapons.

They did not, so by the same sense we could say you are afraid to lose as you keep shoving those two groups back in halo-side.

no, because they know sw is better if we cant use precursors and forerunners.
Therefore they dont let us use them because they are afraid to lose.

  • 03.10.2011 6:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: red alert447

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: red alert447



Posted by: Recovery 25
I am not going to acknowledge any post from the halo side about the forerunners or precursors

You are just afraid to loose.


I'll just say this, if they wanted to one-side it, they would remove Precursors, forerunners, and the other halo super weapons but leave in Star Wars super weapons.

They did not, so by the same sense we could say you are afraid to lose as you keep shoving those two groups back in halo-side.

no, because they know sw is better if we cant use precursors and forerunners.
Therefore they dont let us use them because they are afraid to lose.


Well, yes, the Forerunners would be able to smite their way through all of Star Wars.

The thing is, in Halo, the Forerunners are kinda a little bit dead. Unless you saw any I missed in the games?

I'd presumed this thread was about The Covenant/UNSC and the Galactic Empire/Alliance to Restore the Republic. In which case, SW will easily win.

If it's the Forerunners vs SW, then the Forerunners easily win, they actually have an "I Win" button on each of their Halos, it's the big one on the main console.

[Edited on 03.10.2011 7:11 AM PST]

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


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Posted by: red alert447

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: red alert447



Posted by: Recovery 25
I am not going to acknowledge any post from the halo side about the forerunners or precursors

You are just afraid to loose.


I'll just say this, if they wanted to one-side it, they would remove Precursors, forerunners, and the other halo super weapons but leave in Star Wars super weapons.

They did not, so by the same sense we could say you are afraid to lose as you keep shoving those two groups back in halo-side.

no, because they know sw is better if we cant use precursors and forerunners.
Therefore they dont let us use them because they are afraid to lose.


Well, yes, the Forerunners would be able to smite their way through all of Star Wars.

The thing is, in Halo, the Forerunners are kinda a little bit dead. Unless you saw any I missed in the games?

I'd presumed this thread was about The Covenant/UNSC and the Galactic Empire/Alliance to Restore the Republic. In which case, SW will easily win.

If it's the Forerunners vs SW, then the Forerunners easily win, they actually have an "I Win" button on each of their Halos, it's the big one on the main console.


Actually they are alive

Halo encyclopedia says they left the galaxy

Halo 3 shows us the legendary planet,bias says he sends the chief to his masters

In Halo Cryptum,Bornstellar is about to tell the story of the Forerunners(the trilogy),which means he is alive after the Halo firing but we don't know what happened with them

Greg says the trilogy will reveal how the Forerunners dissapeared ,he didn't said how they died.


The only one saying they died is spark,an AI with limited knowledge in case the flood would capture them

The point is the Forerunners aren't dead but we don't know what really happened with them.
Did they became transsentients?Did they inhabited another galaxy?

Halo 4 and the last Forerunner book will shed some light

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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

Only when no Human brick is left atop another, shall we be satisfied with your destruction.


The point is the Forerunners aren't dead but we don't know what really happened with them.
Did they became transsentients?Did they inhabited another galaxy?

Well, either way they don't seem to be taking an active interest in things going on in the Haloverse Milky Way, including a not insignificant Flood outbreak and the activation of their Galaxy-killing superweapons.
If they are still around, It seems unlikely they'd get involved, as they can hide entire worlds in slipspace it's not like any of the SW races would threaten them directly.

  • 03.10.2011 7:41 AM PDT